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Dead Solenoid????
05/25/05 at 03:51:46

I had an ADD moment and left the key on when i got back from lunch yesterday...... she obviously wouldn't start many hours later so i called dad, the ASA certified mechanic in the family, and we took the battery off and charged it....... battery reads fine, but when i put it back in and went to start her all i get is a click and no action from the starter....... the battery is fully charged, but a volt meter connected from the battery to the starter reads absolutely nothing when i turn it over....... in the last few weeks i've had mornings where i go to start her and i get absolutely no click, no nothing....... i wait a minute or two and try again and the gremlin goes away and she starts right up....... as of now the battery is fully charged and i can hear the click but she refuses to crank over....... any opinions from you Thumpin' wrenchers would be greatly appreciated........

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Trump2Thump YaBB Newbies Offline Gabba Gabba Hey!!! Posts: 42 Space Coast of Florida Gender:	Re: Dead Solenoid???? Reply #1 - 05/25/05 at 03:54:19 one last detail that might help you mor mechanically inclined types figure this out....... last night i jumped the bike and she started and ran fine, but when i put her in gear and tried to ride off she lost power and died...... any thoughts are greatly appreciated.......
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gazab44 Senior Member 2004 No Login Offline TO OLD TO DIE YOUNG.... Posts: 416 uk Gender:	Re: Dead Solenoid???? Reply #2 - 05/25/05 at 04:05:39 dont know whether this will help, i hand exactly the same symptoms..it turned out to be the battery..even if the battery tests ok with a voltmeter it can still be shot. Can you try another, known good battery, i hooked up to a friends and started up straight away.
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Re: Dead Solenoid????
Reply #3 - 05/25/05 at 04:29:47

Trump2Thump wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:05:

last night i jumped the bike and she started and ran fine, but when i put her in gear and tried to ride off she lost power and died

Make REAL sure you have a good battery

That does sound interesting - what does lost power mean? as soon as you shifted it in gear with the clutch in it died (perhaps a kickstand interlock issue) or was it not that quick? - if it was running fine before the dead battery issue that's the place to spend a bunch of time first.

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Re: Dead Solenoid????
Reply #4 - 05/25/05 at 04:32:19

Trump2Thump wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:05:

one last detail that might help you mor mechanically inclined types figure this out....... last night i jumped the bike and she started and ran fine, but when i put her in gear and tried to ride off she lost power and died...... any thoughts are greatly appreciated.......

I think you have a DEAD battery. Or there's a bad connection somewhere. Try the little negative wire that's attached to the - of the battery, follow it and at about a few inches away the re's a connector.
The click that you hear is the decompression solenoid, so that is working.

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Trump2Thump YaBB Newbies Offline Gabba Gabba Hey!!! Posts: 42 Space Coast of Florida Gender:	Re: Dead Solenoid???? Reply #5 - 05/25/05 at 04:47:12 when i jumped her she started and ran fine in neutral..... when i rode off she started to lose power then sputtered and died....... sounds from what i'm reading that i'm gonna need a new battery..... any recomendations on best overall battery brand for the money spent????
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klx650sm2002 Serious Thumper Offline The more I learn the less I know. Posts: 2041 Cumbria,England Gender:	Re: Dead Solenoid???? Reply #6 - 05/25/05 at 04:56:51 A battery can do that, work one time and not the next. I put my KLX battery on charge for two days and it was still pulling two amps so time for a new one, Yuasa (YTX9-BS) I think. Clive W
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Savage_Rob Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Mechanically Inclined Amateur Posts: 6972 Texas (Dallas area) Gender:	Re: Dead Solenoid???? Reply #7 - 05/25/05 at 05:36:26 These both look good. KTX14AHL Sealed Battery YTX14AHL-BS PowerSport Battery
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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: Dead Solenoid???? Reply #8 - 05/25/05 at 05:39:15 Take your battery to a shop to have it load tested. You can have 12 V on a meter with a useless battery, even if it doesn't have the AMPs to start the bike.
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Reply #9 - 05/25/05 at 06:36:23

Consider the Odyssey Dry Cell battery. There is NO liquid to leak out and damage stuff, you can mount it anywhere..even upside down, it is nearly indestructable, and it does not cost all that much. I got one on ebay 2 years ago for $65 and it was delivered in about 3-4 days. Take a look at it and consider getting one.
The one I got which was closest to the Savage battery size, was said to be for v-twins so there is more than enough power for the Savage.

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Reply #10 - 05/25/05 at 10:43:48

I just bought an Odyssey PC545MJ on eBay for $65 + $14 S/H and it was delivered in 2 days. I am currently working out how I want to mount it because it's not really the same dimensions. It's shorter (height) and longer than the battery box. I am toying with putting a platform inside the box to raise it and allow me to place the stock toolkit underneath it, allowing me to close the cover and have it look similar to stock. So far I'm just not satisfied the cover will stay in place as well as I'd like it without some more modifications.

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Reply #11 - 05/25/05 at 14:31:28

I dropped an Oddesy battery the other day. Good thing it was already deceased...it shattered like a crystal wineglass. Try a Dynabatt. Weighs 13 pounds, but is like a big flashlight battery. Has enough amps to start a Toyota...but is made for bikes. Warranty against discharge failure is 6 YEARS. I just use whatever cheap crap wet cell is on sale. My battery box is modified so the vent tube is irrelevant.
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Reply #12 - 05/25/05 at 15:33:12

looks like the battery was not the issue..... put a new one in at lunch and still got the same click and no turnover....... it was an old battery, so that was probably a good call anyway....... Atlantic Cycle is on the way to pick her up and get my baby smiling again....... i figure i might as well get the notorious plug leak fixed while she's in the shop for a $10 plug and an extra hour's labor........ man, do i wish was i was not so mechanically inept.......

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Savage_Rob Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Mechanically Inclined Amateur Posts: 6972 Texas (Dallas area) Gender:	Re: Dead Solenoid???? Reply #13 - 05/25/05 at 16:00:07 Trump2Thump wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:05: man, do i wish was i was not so mechanically inept....... Start small, go slow, practice and be patient. Patience is the part I sometimes have trouble with. At least I've learned to walk away for a while if I make myself too frustrated. Then I can come back calmer and continue.
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Reply #14 - 05/25/05 at 19:27:36

WD wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:05:

I dropped an Oddesy battery the other day. Good thing it was already deceased...it shattered like a crystal wineglass. Try a Dynabatt. Weighs 13 pounds, but is like a big flashlight battery. Has enough amps to start a Toyota...but is made for bikes. Warranty against discharge failure is 6 YEARS. I just use whatever cheap crap wet cell is on sale. My battery box is modified so the vent tube is irrelevant.
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How old was the battery before dieing and shattering?

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