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Re: white spacer and jetting
Reply #45 - 01/20/05 at 16:45:45
 
I still think that the Savage is just under engineered with regard to cam shaft, carb, compression, ignition, etc. and it just runs out of steam at about 6500 RPMs without needing a limiter.  Simple physics is the limiter.  It just can't suck and blow any more that it does.

That can be a good thing too, which is why the engine is so bullet proof and has lasted so many years.

It's kinda like my Malibu engine.  3.1 V6, low horsepower and torgue, but I have 212K on it with no noises, no smoke and no leaks.
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Reply #46 - 01/20/05 at 17:04:34
 
Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01:
I still think that the Savage is just under engineered with regard to cam shaft, carb, compression, ignition, etc. and it just runs out of steam at about 6500 RPMs without needing a limiter.  Simple physics is the limiter.  It just can't suck and blow any more that it does.
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a simpler example could not have been made.  ; Smiley

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Reply #47 - 01/21/05 at 12:32:59
 
I did kinda have fun with that one, didn't I?  Shocked  Actually, I think the Savage is built with about the simplicity of a Brigg & Straton.  After all how many lawnmowers do you throw away when nothing is wrong with the engine anyway.

Which makes me wonder about modifications to the stock engine....like does an overbore piston weigh the same as stock?  Does the increased compression affect the engine balance?  What happens if you squeeze more rpms out of it?

What happens to the "strength of materials" in a modified Savage engine?
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Reply #48 - 01/21/05 at 13:11:42
 
those questions and more are why i did the appearance mods first.

i put 98,000 miles on my last thumper with no mods whatsoever.  i would love  to get those kinda miles with this one.  

i'll just do the simple carb exhuast stuff.
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Reply #49 - 01/21/05 at 13:52:17
 
Yup, yup.  I've heard the Savage referred to as the VW of motorcycles and I can't think of a more apt description.
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Reply #50 - 01/21/05 at 16:54:38
 
Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01:
Yup, yup.  I've heard the Savage referred to as the VW of motorcycles and I can't think of a more apt description.


so you must have heard me talking somewhere. i used the same to explain my gn 400.l
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Reply #51 - 01/23/05 at 01:36:35
 
With KLX I keep to the std. red line, 7500 (=6500 on the Savage), I tune the pipe for 6500, 36" (=5500 and 43" n the Savage), and if I need to go inside the engine I'll up the compression to 10.5, is 9.5, the C3 model is 10.5 anyway.
If you are going for a big bore piston try and keep the weight close to std. to keep the vibes close to std. also.

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Reply #52 - 01/23/05 at 05:33:51
 
Dude, you keep listing the header length in inches vs. the rpm at which max power is made...is this rule of thumb affected by the ID of the header pipe used?  If so, what are the changes...ie, for a 1 3/8 vs 1 1/2 vs 1 5/8 vs 1 3/4 ID?  Is there a chart posted somewhere that addresses this issue?
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Reply #53 - 01/23/05 at 07:06:57
 
RPM vs. length (open pipe)

3000 = 78"
3500 = 67"
4000 = 59"
4500 = 52"
5000 = 47"
5500 = 43"
6000 = 39"
6500 = 36"

Where lengths are too long to fit half them.

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Reply #54 - 01/23/05 at 07:33:34
 
Still need to sort out that exhaust port.

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Reply #55 - 01/23/05 at 08:10:52
 
So does the pipe ID affect those numbers or are they applicable to all diameters?
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Reply #56 - 01/23/05 at 08:32:45
 
The pipe i.d. should be the same size or bigger than the carb i.d.
So with the std. carb is 40mm, the nearest tube size is 1.75"o.d. giving 41.3mm i.d.
41.3 - 40 = 1.3mm. 1.3*32 (the correction factor) = 41.6mm. This means that the pipe length you have chosen to give the revs you want must be lengthend by 41.6mm.
1mm more diameter needs 32mm more length.

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Reply #57 - 01/23/05 at 23:15:12
 
I am guilty of being over accurate at times, so a mm or so on diameter and +/- an inch ish on length is probably no big deal on the Savage with it's tame cams.

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Reply #58 - 01/25/05 at 01:39:18
 
I've been measuring my std. carb, 40mm CV, and if you take the area of the butterfly spindle off the carb area you will have the equivalent area of a 37mm slide carb (my formula is based on slide carbs)
So all you guys with std. carbs should run 38mm (1.5") i.d. and the lengths shown above for what rpm's you want +32mm (1.25").

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