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Doug Keely
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Spark Plug Removal Madness
12/07/04 at 18:25:15
 
I parked my Savage in the gargae for three cold days (30 to 40 degrees F).

Now it won't start.  Sounds like no spark.

So thought it would be simple enough to test plug.

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removed the seat, removed that tank, can't get the blankety-blank plug out.

my 17mm socket is too long and will not fit all the way down on the plug due to obstruction of plug housing

any ideas?
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Re: Spark Plug Removal Madness
Reply #1 - 12/07/04 at 19:15:39
 
Crack open your tool kit and use the plug wrench in it.
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Reply #2 - 12/07/04 at 19:18:33
 
Imagine a 6 inch deep hole that angles as it goes down.  In the center of this hole is my spark plug.  There is probably one tool, somewhere in Japan, that actually was hand crafted to get theis farging plug out.  Thanks for the response though.  I was biginning to feel lonely.

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Reply #3 - 12/08/04 at 01:03:25
 
Did your Savage come with the original OEM toolkit? If so, there's a plug socket in there ... it's "thin walled" to allow it to fit down in the plug recess and over the plug ... use a 17mm open-end wrench with the ring on the opposite end; slip the ring over the tapered end of the plug socket ... this'll give ya leverage and it won't slip. Thin-walled plug sockets that fit ratchet handles can be bought, but the size may depend on the brand of plug in your machine ... I use NGK plugs as reccommended in the Owner's Manual ... the Savage's plug tool fits those perfectly.
Good luck, let us know how you make out with it ... love the LS650, but 'zuki's placement of the spark plug on this machine is one of my major pet peeves ... what the F__k were those engineers thinking when they designed that particular feature? Hell, a nice exposed, easy-to-get-at spark plug couldn't have been that hard to engineer into a Big Single?
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Reply #4 - 12/08/04 at 01:08:22
 
My plug on KLX is also down a deep hole, do the jap's do it on purpose?

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Reply #5 - 12/08/04 at 05:25:02
 
I used a deep socket and an extension on the ratchet.  i loosened the plug then used pliers to get it out.

they probably a spark plug socket in that size so it would be alot easier to pull it out.

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Reply #6 - 12/08/04 at 06:41:48
 
PerryDaSavage asked if I had the OEM toolkit that came with my ride.

The answer is no.

I would like to get my hands on one though.  Does anyone know where I can get one?
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Reply #7 - 12/08/04 at 06:48:59
 
Detail:

I tried a 17mm Goodwrench deepsocket.
It won't fit the housing angle.

I tried an 11/16 Craftsman deepsocket.  Same problem as with 17mm Goodwrench.

I tried a 19mm Goodwrench.  Diameter is too big for housing.  I hate when that happens  Wink

I tried an 18mm Goodwrench.  Same problem as with the 19mm Goodwrench.

I would like to get it out in one piece to test it.

The reason I want to check it is because I can't get it to start.  It was fine and then I parked for three cold days.  Then, nothing.  I have abattery charger, so that's ok.  The srater is doing its part.  I know the problem is either the plug or the carb.

Tonite I am going to scrap getting the plug out and take a look at the carb.

I noticed a bolt on the bottom of the carb.  Can I loosen that to drain the carb.

Maybe there is some water in it.  ???

Thank you all
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Re: Spark Plug Removal Madness
Reply #8 - 12/08/04 at 07:42:17
 
MM_Educator wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:
PerryDaSavage asked if I had the OEM toolkit that came with my ride.

The answer is no.

I would like to get my hands on one though.  Does anyone know where I can get one?

I've seen them on eBay.
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Reply #9 - 12/08/04 at 08:30:47
 
Get all the tools with the exception of the drive belt checker for $32.89

BTW: If you NEED to get the right OEM part the first time, bikebandit.com seems like the place to go.  Oh course you pay out the nose for what you get. (i.e. complete Fuel Tank Assembly for $431.33 - without speedo)

For comparison,  here is a fuel tank on ebay - currently $16 with 4 hours left.
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Reply #10 - 12/08/04 at 10:51:40
 
this is another place to get OEM parts, prices seem expensive, but in somethings it might seem reasonable.
https://www.oneidasuzuki.com/store/xcart/customer/home.php?cat=324 (Accessories)
https://www.oneidasuzuki.com/store/xcart/customer/home.php?cat=742 (OEM Replacement Parts)

Sorry, I didn't notice any tool kits though.  :'(

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Reply #11 - 12/08/04 at 15:53:36
 
stanley (which sells tools thru walmart) has a spark plug socket set(consists of three sockets in a pack) that has a socket that fits the plug perfect.
i've changed a plug in a parking lot while the engine was hot even. but then that was when i was still fouling plugs and had left the headcover(?) off.

and i am NOT the most adept at technical stuff. just ask greg and susan.
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Reply #12 - 12/08/04 at 17:10:33
 
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

[glow=red,2,300]It works! [/glow]

This is humorus, at least to me.

When all else fails, throw away the manual! Right?

I loosened the plug with a pair of needle nosed pliers and then removed the sucker by hand.  It took a while but when I got it out I realized not only why I couldn't use the deep socket.  The plug was bent over to one side and cracked at the base a little.  This probably explains why the bike was running so rough.

So then, I put the new plug in and she still wouldn't fire up.  After checking to make sure I had the spark plug wire secure, I decided to drain the carburator.

[glow=red,2,300]Like magic. [/glow]  She starts up and runs great!

Thank you to all of you who tried to help.  I think I will still look in to  getting the OEM toolkit.

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Reply #13 - 12/09/04 at 00:33:00
 
Remember those iridium plugs Guys.

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Reply #14 - 12/09/04 at 02:27:32
 
8)Congrats on gettin' that plug out Doug ... it can be a be-atch for sure! 'Member snapping off a plug in my old Rebel once (and the Reb's plugs are real easy to get at) ... my heart sank into my shoes ... luckily a neighbour who is a mechanic was able to back the bottom end of the plug out for me using somekinda special tool? He saved the day and I was back on the road in less than an hour!
Spark plug service seems like pretty easy stuff as far as routine maintenance goes, but ya still haveta take your time and be careful or you can run into trouble ...
Clive ... I'd like to know more about those iridium plugs ... care to elaborate; brand, size, advantages and if the OEM plug wrench'll fit? Thanks!
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