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Title: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 01/26/24 at 19:01:44 Hey there everybody I recently got a 1996 savage about 7k miles. very well taken care of I've put about 2k miles on it and i haven't had any problems. I'm very good with engines, I never have any problem doing anything from rebuilds to simple diagnosis... but I'm stumped. about 3 weeks ago I started doing some digging on this site for some common problems and saw the verglagen adjuster mod and said well that's pretty easy to figure out made my own of the same and it turned out very well. I then while I had the cover off I replaced the clutch and changed the oil. Everything went as smooth as could be I even went as far as new exhaust gasket, adjusted the valve lash to .004" after checking specs that stated between .003" .005". reassembled everything.... in the process I checked the plug and it was hand tight so i pulled it, its slightly dusted white so i replaced it and tightened properly. Started it up and it has a very loud tapping sound from the top left side of the engine i checked the decomp. assembly from beginning to end. That was not the problem. i checked valve lash that stayed so i tightened to to .003" and it still remained as a loud tap and it gets louder as it warms up. If anyone has any idea on what i need to check please tell me. This bike will be my fiancés birthday gift in a couple weeks and i want it in tip top shape. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by verslagen1 on 01/26/24 at 22:37:13 1st I'd say you have to inspect the work you did. pull the cover off to see if everything is ok. You said loud tapping left side, does that mean top left side? Then I'd pull the stator cover. you can pull the starter and check it 1st and spin the gears inside, it'll go 1way and not the other. The only other thing I can think of is loose rotor nut. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 01/26/24 at 22:42:15 Yes, I apologize top left side if I use stethoscope and work my way from bottom of crank case up the engine it gets louder. Where I gear it worse is on the left side in the cavity recessed area about an inch from the top of the engine and towards the front which feels to me like I may have been off on my valve adjustment. But I checked it again it didn't get much quieter so I'm confused. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by Dave on 01/27/24 at 02:58:12 The original spark plug was loose.....and you replaced it. A loose spark plug can move around and make a noise. Perhaps something is wrong with the spark plug threads. You also replace the exhaust gasket.....is that seated properly? |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 01/27/24 at 05:54:11 I thought about that too so I checked. And I checked compression and it is good I think it may have just been a previous error |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 01/27/24 at 06:28:03 Did you get it figured out? |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 01/27/24 at 07:03:09 Not yet I will be double checking everything again here in a few. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 01/27/24 at 18:29:18 Evening, I checked everything over again and I put hands on everything i touched and i still dont see the problem so i may check the valves one more time maybe they are rewuiring a hair tighter than .003"?? |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 01/27/24 at 18:43:44 After you adjusted the valves the 2nd time, I think you expressed that it got a little quieter. Is that right? If so, that would be where I would check again. And sounds like you know this, but make sure you are TDC on the compression stroke. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by DragBikeMike on 01/28/24 at 12:48:09 I agree with the suggestions to recheck all your work. It wasn't making the noise before you worked on it. You need to make sure that the mod you did to your chain tensioner isn't hitting any of the moving components. Would be most helpful if you could take some photos and post. You also need to make sure that you didn't adjust the valves with the crankshaft positioned somewhere other than TDC compression. Inspect the underside of your valve covers for evidence of an adjuster screw contacting the valve cover. Although it seems unlikely, you could possibly have a loose flywheel. That seems unlikely since it wasn't making noise before you worked on the bike, but it is a known source of loud noise on the left side. It will make a pronounced metallic clack as you throttle up. This old post provides a video. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1660775470 You can also check the compression release by gently moving the lever on the head cover while the engine is running. You should not feel any thing contacting the compression release cam until you move it up with your finger. Once it starts to contact the rocker arm you will feel it and also hear a loud audible clicking. You should be able to move that lever about 2 to 3mm before the release cam starts to contact the rocker arm. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/01/24 at 13:00:50 So I've spent the couple hours checking everything I did again and I checked everything extra that was said and I can't figure it out. Tomorrow I'm going to tighten them just a hair more and see if it continues. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/01/24 at 18:13:27 Something else for you fellas.... when the bike is running I can put my finger on the decomp cable and pull it hard the noise stops and the decomp lever taps instead... now with the noise if I let it idle for a while it goes away if I rev it up it doesn't do it very loud but if its under load it gets significantly louder. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/02/24 at 04:32:08 That’s it. Mine was out of adjustment on the first Savage I owned. It did the same thing. The adjustment must be made with the bike TDC on the compression stroke. The manual says the shaft should extend out 3-5mm from the solenoid. I aim for 4mm using a small ruler. I err to the 4-5mm extension as opposed to 3-4mm. There is a whole post on this topic in the technical library. I’ll see if I can post a link here. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1169356966 |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/02/24 at 04:42:07 I found this photo particularly helpful in the link I shared above. Good visual of how it should look when adjusted within spec. This is the gap under the decompression lever cam and the exhaust valve rocker arm when I set the solenoid shaft to 4 MM. The engine is at TDC on the compression stroke by using the valve timing mark and watching the exhaust valves. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by och on 02/02/24 at 04:57:07 I dont know if it helps, but I had something similar happen to my bike - I had my mechanic replace the clutch and the clutch never felt right and the bike was making a loud tapping noise. I called the mechanic, he blamed the clutch on being non OEM, suggested replacing Baron springs with OEM, so I brought it back and he did - marginal improvement i clutch performance and the tapping continued. I decided to do the valve adjustment, they were within spec when I checked, but I got the perfect. The tapping still continued. So I decided to take a look at the clutch myself, turns out he put in the gear behind the clutch backwards, and the pin fell out, and the oil pump wasn't being engaged. I only put about 200 miles on the bike after he did the shoddy work, and when I drained the oil it was jet black, completely burnt. Ever since the bike keeps burning oil. Check out the video I sent him when I discovered his screw up. https://youtu.be/zx6pIK9G-7I |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by och on 02/02/24 at 05:02:06 Coupe of videos I shot when I was trying to determine the source of the noise before i took apart the clutch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jm3aXktFlg https://youtu.be/947tPGFNm7k |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/02/24 at 05:12:32 Good video of the oil pump drive gear behind the clutch basket. Kinda hard to tell anything from the other videos. I put my oiler gear in backwards and it totally jammed the motor. I couldn’t even get the bike to crank. Unrelated, what kind of seat is that? Looks pretty thick in the video. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by och on 02/02/24 at 17:14:33 003C213924312604352138540 wrote:
Stock seat modified by Russell Cycle - I had them add a few inches of foam so that the seat is now flat all the way across. Before the mod, being 6'4, I used to ride on the pillion portion of the seat. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/02/24 at 18:59:36 Dang Och! Glad we’re friends! It looks really cool even if it would be too tall for me at 5’7”! |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/04/24 at 14:00:17 https://youtube.com/shorts/ZD-RqXR8TTk?si=PiGF9M-qCWFBAyK1 Here's a video of what it sounds like.. I appreciate the info on the gear but I didn't remove the basket I left it in and I checked oil pressure and it's getting pretty good pressure. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by och on 02/04/24 at 14:11:48 Take off and shake your exhaust pipe out, bet there is a piece of loose metal in there. Or run the bike without the exhaust to see if it still sounds like that to eliminate the potential cause. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/04/24 at 15:03:10 Did you check the decomp and valve lash again? It sounds like valve noise due to decomp set wrong or too much valve lash clearance. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/04/24 at 15:13:58 I did yesterday. I'm going to recheck everything again tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/05/24 at 08:20:17 Ok so i pretty much factory reset everything this morning. I loosened the valves completely where they had tons of play triple checked the TDC on compression stroke. Put them down to .003" and loosened the decomp. and started it. As it ran I slowly adjusted decomp until it clicked and backed it off just a hair till it wasn't making any noise. i got on it rode it up my forever driveway and back down and the only chatter I heard was from under clutch cover. Now while I'm on here ill ask, do I need to order new gasket or can I use Permatex black? I use it on pretty much everything but I noticed the gasket for clutch is just a little different where it has the red area around the top. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/05/24 at 09:50:00 https://youtube.com/shorts/dwzHk0u35H0?si=bRQ7dUsdT7d1oIm2 Here's what it looks like I feel like the chain is just a hint too toght |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by och on 02/05/24 at 10:35:00 2E216D627C7E657873170 wrote:
Clutch gasket is reusable, but if its too damaged to be reused, I would order a new one. Its a really high quality gasket, I wouldn't replace it with sealant unless really in a pinch. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/05/24 at 10:49:41 Mine was tighter than that when I moved to the 2nd hole on the Verslavy cam chain tensioner. Hopefully Verslagen can comment, but it appears the plugger should be grabbing the next notch and keeping the chain tensioned. I don't think it's supposed to have any free play like that. Verslagen would know and can name the parts correctly. (I forget the name of the part that has the notches and hold the plugger at a certain length.) |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/05/24 at 11:17:02 Hey you know I'd say we all make mistakes but this was just stupidity I checked everything over and over and never paid attention to it but I had that plunger flipped so the notches weren't locking in place |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/05/24 at 11:22:48 That would explain all that chatter |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/05/24 at 11:24:15 Keep sharing and asking questions and eventually something will trigger the brain. And SNAP...AHA moment!! I knew something wasn't catching correctly right there! Good job backtracking and hunting it down! |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/05/24 at 11:30:20 I appreciate you guys I don't normally do mistakes like that. When I got this bike a friend of mine said oh those are like dirt bikes...... no they are not [ch128513][ch128513] he lied these are so much simpler but at the same time very finicky |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/05/24 at 11:49:56 PS - I would always use a gasket and not try to replace a gasket with RTV. Usually, you can reuse the gasket. If the gasket only has a small bad spot, then probably ok to use some RTV on the spot. RTV is such a mess to deal with the "next time" you have to go in there... I'm kinda rough as a cob and ruined my gasket during disassembly. Glad I had a new one in hand ready to go. It's worth the extra $15 or so to me. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/05/24 at 12:20:58 I don't know about everyone else but I have a hard time getting the gasket I mean like 3 weeks before it ships and when I do get it it comes in this stupid package that you gotta use an exact knife and trace it all out and it pops right out the plastic. But it's all back together and it's quiet as it was before I touched it lol I'm taking it on a short ride this evening then if that goes well I'm taking it on a long one tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/05/24 at 12:29:12 This is mine I traded 400 bucks worth of rifles for. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/05/24 at 13:05:11 Cool. Bumblebee!! Hoping for a quiet test ride for you! The new post office in Houston is a complete cluster f@#^! (Postwoman's exact words.) I waited over 3 weeks for many parts. One part never made it, and Partzilla sent another one via UPS that made it in 3 business days (no charge to me). I like Partzilla. They are usually a little cheaper than Revzilla and others and at least they have the option to selected expedited shipping. My clutch side crankcase gasket arrived in a full-size box placed between 2 pieces of cardboard with shrink wrap plastic around it. It is an OEM quality gasket - it was ready to go out of the box. Here's a pic of Woody. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by DragBikeMike on 02/06/24 at 00:11:04 Wow! A couple of slick lookin Savages procured at bargain basement prices. Congrats on the successful surgery. That little biker looks like he's havin a great time. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by Dave on 02/06/24 at 02:52:46 7448554D5045527041554C200 wrote:
Give Rocky Mountain ATV a try. Revzilla and doesn't have any parts in stock - they order them from their supplier when you order them. Rocky Mountain ATV has a parts inventory. They have been far faster in getting me parts than the other places. If you order a quantity they don't have in stock they will ship you what they have, then keep shipping you parts as they come in......rather than wait until they get everything. The first time they did this I almost called to complain my order was short.....then more parts started coming every day or two. I still order tires and clothing from Revzilla - but not Suzuki parts. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/06/24 at 06:34:20 10-4 and dragbike yeah I'm pretty happy with this bike I put 1600 miles on it before I did any real maintenance I found out last night on a Vin search in 2000 it had 3k miles in 2004 in had 7250 in 2023 when I got it it had 7455 and I looked the whole thing over it looked like someone overhauled the entire bike or kept it in their house lol so I rode the piss out of it before I decided to do maintenance which it probably didn't need |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/06/24 at 07:16:11 Thanks Mike. Woody is on the road again thanks to you!! I just need to cure this pesky oil leak now. I don't see it coming from the stator wire exit. I think I got that plugged up for now. It's either at the bottom of the alternator crankcase cover or the bottom of the gear shifter cover. If I put the bike on a stand straight up and down, no leak. On the side stand, it lets out a few drops of oil overnight. After a ride, with the oil really warm, its a pretty good drip but not a stream. It's just enough to be annoying and I have to keep a baking sheet under the area when not in use. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/06/24 at 08:10:15 Thank for the tip on Rocky Mountain ATV, Dave. I'm going to check them out. EDIT: I checked on the gear shifter crankcase gasket. They are a few 30-40 cents higher than Partzilla and its on backover until 3/5. Partzilla is backorder too but only 3-4 days until shipping (confirmed by customer service guy at Partzilla). Learned Woody is a Model K5. Between my S40 and the Shadow, I've become kinda attached to Partzilla. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ohiomoto on 02/06/24 at 10:58:36 I'm partial to Partzilla for OEM parts too. I've poked around at a few other sites and always ended up back at Partzilla for some reason. I can vouch for their customer service. UPS lost one of my orders. Partzilla sent out a replacement right away. Several months later UPS delivered the original package. The box was destroyed. I'm guessing most of the parts were missing based on how the box was folded and taped up. I let Partzilla know and they immediately sent a return shipping label and asked that I send what was left back to them. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by Dave on 02/06/24 at 11:21:26 Rocky Mountain ATV has excellent customer service as well - if you ever need it. The "BIG" plus about doing business with them - is that they do have a parts inventory. If they show it is in stock.....it is "at" their place of business and it will ship immediately. Revzilla, Partszilla, Chapmoto and many others do not actually stock the parts at their business. When you order an OEM part from them - they order it from their supplier....and when they get it they ship it to you. Parts from Rocky Mountain ATV will always get to you faster - and if they are missing something in your order....they will still ship you whatever they have right away and then ship the remainder of your order later. You may get 2 or 3 deliveries as they ship any part of your order as soon as they have it. They have never help up items they have waiting or other parts to arrive - they ship what they have in stock right away. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/06/24 at 11:27:56 Paul what kind of shadow do you have? I just got one of those and it was very neglected so I'm going through the process to make it nice again |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/06/24 at 15:15:43 I have a mint condition 2006 Shadow Spirit VT750DC. I'm the 3rd owner. Got it last July with 2,600 miles on it. I'm up to about 4,300 now. Prior owners treated it like a trophy bike to admire in the garage. I love it. The baffles in the rear were cut out before I bought it. It's somewhat louder than stock but not obnoxious. I need to shim the needles in the carbs with washers. It has a lean spot right off idle at 1/8th throttle. It's in a bad spot right when you are trying to do low speed maneuvers like parking lots and parking spaces and sharp turns from a stop sign or light. I'll probably go up one size of the pilot and main jet too. I need to see what's in there and if it was changed from stock (pair of 40 pilots and 105 front carb/cylinder and 108 rear main jet). I have all the parts. Just trying to decide when I want to do it. I've got some other things going on that are making it hard to plan. Which Shadow do you have? |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/06/24 at 15:23:20 I got a 95 vt1100c it unfortunately was neglected way beyond what most people would try to repair but I don't mind because I'd rather put in the work and learn every bit of this bike than for me to not know anything about it and something go wrong |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/06/24 at 17:04:06 It actually looks pretty good! I like your thinking especially since it seems you have some knowledge and skills! There is a hondashadow.net forum but it’s not nearly as good as here on SS. There are a few people on the shadow forum that are genuinely helpful and knowledgeable, but then there are a lot of snarky jerks that just like to insult people. There is a lot of good info there, but finding it can be a challenge. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by 96zukirod on 02/06/24 at 18:02:10 Its definitely a project but i traded a 82 suzuki 450t for it and i put about 800 in that bike all together it was just too small for me or my fiance but when i fix it my fiance will be learning how to ride on the savage she loves it and says its super comfortable for her https://www.hondashadow.net/threads/new-to-me.591290/?post_id=5634461&nested_view=1&sortby=oldest#post-5634461 Here is the link I posted on there for my bike so far I've talked to good people but I did notice on other conversations on there people are a-holes but I can see a huge difference in that one and this one. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by ThumperPaul on 02/07/24 at 05:21:57 Looks and sounds like you’ve been busy on the Shadow. Have you got it in running condition yet? You’ve done a lot of work already! Before I got my Shadow, I used to chase my buddy’s 1100 Sabre with my Savage. He’s was a good sport when I’d jump him off the line and thru the turns. Your wife should enjoy keeping up with you and passing you in the twisties. lol. One thing for sure is that this forum is better organized, and common issues have been summarized in the tech section. The other big difference is that there are 47 flavors of Shadows and only 1 LS650! A lot better focus with just 1 bike making things easier and clearer. |
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Title: Re: loud noise Post by springman on 02/07/24 at 08:50:05 That yellow S40 sure is nice looking. The 95 Shadow I believe is a 4 speed. Everything I've read about them is good. I have a 96 VT1100C which has the 5 speed tranny. I've not needed to do much with the bike in the 3-4 years that I've had it even though I've put around 24K miles on it in that time. It is not a power demon but switching from the S40 to the Shadow makes you feel like you are on a hot rod. And it actually handles quite well. The other thing, at least for my height/build, the Shadow is really comfortable. Enjoy both bikes. They each have their strengths and are both alot of fun. |
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