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Title: What's this? Post by Serowbot on 10/16/23 at 13:09:55 You may have noticed JoG has been missing for while,.. so I e-mailed him to see if he's ok. He is. He locked himself out of the site and has found the time away to be satisfying, so he's doing some non-internet stuff for a while. He may come back or may not. Anyway he says hi and left us with this conundrum. Apparently he thinks some of you might be smart Or maybe he was referring to the Cafe' members... I don't know. Quote:
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by zevenenergie on 10/16/23 at 13:50:01 I ran the whole story through chat gpt and this is what came out: Let's check the calculations: A barrel of oil is believed to be 5.61458 cubic feet. One cubic mile is equal to 147,197,952,000 cubic feet. If we take 80 million barrels of oil per day, that is 80 million x 5.61458 cubic feet per barrel = 449,166,400 cubic feet per day. To determine how many days it takes to extract one cubic mile of oil, we divide 147,197,952,000 cubic feet by 449,166,400 cubic feet per day, which gives approximately 3283 days. Since the author says this was done for 18 years, we multiply 3283 days by 18 years, which comes to 59,094,600 days. We can then divide 59,094,600 days by 3283 days to calculate the number of cubic miles gained over those 18 years, which is approximately 18. So, Justin o guy has correctly calculated that approximately 18 cubic miles of oil have been extracted from the earth over 18 years, based on the numbers and calculations provided. :) |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Serowbot on 10/16/23 at 14:02:37 AI just copied JoG's answers The lazy bastard ;D |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Eegore on 10/16/23 at 15:00:40 Who could have predicted AI would get the same results by using the same numbers? |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by zevenenergie on 10/17/23 at 01:21:50 I think you underestimate Justin o guy,s intelligence. |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by WebsterMark on 10/17/23 at 05:12:50 I never have. Humor demands intelligence and he’s posted the funniest lines ever written in this forum. |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Eegore on 10/17/23 at 05:58:39 I think you underestimate Justin o guy,s intelligence. ChatGPT is not JoG or a representation of his intelligence. If any program uses the same numbers I do, it should get the same results. I wouldn't do the math the way he is, but for his purposes it is fine and appears accurate. As for not understanding how we can find dinosaur bones it's because oil is not dinosaurs. Its marine algae and plankton. |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Mavigogun on 10/17/23 at 08:01:13 2137203D25303D26520 wrote:
A cube with a volume of 2 cubic miles features a side measurement of ~1.26 miles. Were I to be subject of the hypothetical ride, the first moment would likely be spent dumbfounded by the spectacle, followed by suffocation from off gassing volatile organic compounds, as my bike failed to crank from a lack of O2- and all in under 2 minutes. ;) 2137203D25303D26520 wrote:
Not only are there people that want to explain this, people have done so at length. While 'common sense reckoning' and the anecdotal and analogous examples may be problematic, I'll take a swing at it, starting with a pie crust as example: To make a delicious, flaky crust, the dough must not be over mixed, discrete platelets of butter being allowed to remain and impart a delightful consistency; observers of the mixing process and product will likely recognize no action taken to preserve these elements, nor be able to easily discern them in the dough. A literal Earth's crust analogy. Fossils, as with every other darn thing that makes up the Earth's crust, mantle, and all the other layers, are not uniformly subject to homogenization. Despite the action of millions of years, tectonic drift and plates rising and subsuming, there still remains geologic record (you know, stuff- lots and lots of stuff) indicating continents were once in contact. As it would happen, there is a compelling and ACTIONABLELY conclusive fossil and geological record that affirms that organic hydrocarbons are the product of observed processes and not inexplicable. I point your attention to most any neighborhood established in the year you were born. Observe the mighty trees, their branches spread wide, providing shade. Where did the tree come from? Not from the soil- were that the case, the tree would be deep within a tree-sized hole, soil consumed to produce tree-stuff. (Ahh!- the SOIL -don't forget the soil... we'll come back to it!) So where does the bulk of a tree come from? From carbon in the atmosphere, respirated and metabolized into tree-stuff. Look to the edge of the side walk, at the lawn. What do we see? The soil on which that grass depends may well be several inches taller than where it was those many decades ago. How is that? Like the tree, the grass has sequestered carbon drawn from the atmosphere. But grass, like trees, is not forever: the decayed elements of tree and grass and every other organic thing heaped upon the Earth eventually contributes to the soil. How much soil? ALL of the organic loams and clays and peat and stuff that forms the blanket of humus- however deep -that covers the Earth. All of it used to be trees and plants and presumptive bloggers- and THAT amounts to much, much more than the paltry few square miles of fossil hydrocarbons that confront the imagination of the OP. Today, our best understanding of the origin of fossil fuels does not significantly include large animals, but reaches back long before T-Rex was unable to tie their shoes- all the way back to the origin of those soil-building trees. For millions of years after the first trees reached skyward to compete for sunlight, they did so uninhibited by microorganisms capable of digesting the novel lignin and cellulose they produced, with resulting accumulation of vast amounts of organic detritus. When fungus and other agents of decay eventually adapted to eat what trees made is when the massive explosion of terrestrial life was unleashed- and the geologically significant to our narrative mass of organic decay entered the fossil record. Even with the blink-of-an-eye life span that we enjoy, the accumulation of soil and organic material is easily directly observed. In my neighborhood, built in the earl 80's, that amounts to 4", or more. A mere 40 years, not tens of millions, or the 420 million years since the dawn of the trees, or 180 million years since tectonic drift carried the continents apart. ---- On my way out the door, I received a message from thumperclone, saying how he would miss my contribution. This one's for you, dude. |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Serowbot on 10/17/23 at 08:43:01 467473626574635C70637A110 wrote:
Texas humour is uniquely witty JoG has it in spades ;D |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by ohiomoto on 10/17/23 at 19:53:46 6573647961747962160 wrote:
------------------ I think you mean Tall Table members. |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by MMRanch on 10/17/23 at 21:16:12 OK So at what point does the earth cave in since we are hollowing it out ? :-? |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by LANCER on 10/18/23 at 04:18:29 It was mentioned that 2 cubic miles is a cube that is 2x2x2. 1cubic mile is 1x1x1, and if you take 2 of those cubes and set them side by side you have 1x1x2. 2x2x2 = 8 cubic miles. Mav suggested that when trees were created there were no micro-organisms in the soil…says who ? Micro-organisms action in the soil and their byproducts help enable plants and trees to take up nutrients from the soil, they are an integral part of plant growth. “Plant-soil-microbes: A tripartite interaction for nutrient acquisition and better plant growth for sustainable agricultural practices“ “Plants can achieve their proper growth and development with the help of microorganisms associated with them. Plant-associated microbes convert the unavailable nutrients to available form and make them useful for plants. Besides nutrient acquisition, soil microbes also inhibit the pathogens that cause harm to plant growth and induces defense response. Due to the beneficial activities of soil nutrient-microbe-plant interactions, it is necessary to study more on this topic and develop microbial inoculant technology in the agricultural field for better crop improvement. The soil microbes can be engineered, and plant growth-promoting rhizobacteria (PGPR) and plant growth-promoting bacteria (PGPB) technology can be developed as well, as its application can be improved for utilization as biofertilizer, biopesticides, etc., instead of using harmful chemical biofertilizers. Moreover, plant growth-promoting microbe inoculants can enhance crop productivity. Although, scientists have discussed several tools and techniques by omics and gene editing approaches for crop improvement to avoid biotic and abiotic stress and make the plant healthier and more nutritive. However, beneficial soil microbes that help plants with the nutrient acquisition, development, and stress resistance were ignored, and farmers started utilizing chemical fertilizers. Thus, this review attempts to summarize the interaction system of plant microbes, the role of beneficiary soil microbes in the rhizosphere zone, and their role in plant health promotion, particularly in the nutrition acquisition of the plant. The review will also provide a better understanding of soil microbes that can be exploited as biofertilizers and plant growth promoters in the field to create environmentally friendly, sustainable agriculture systems.” Microbes are necessary for plant growth, and so we’re present with trees when created. The microbe-plant interactions were discussed in detail during a class I had at OSU in a Plant Pathology class for a BS in Agriculture degree. |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by verslagen1 on 10/18/23 at 04:51:29 The original diesel fuel was hemp seed oil. I really wonder how many seeds to the mile? |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by ohiomoto on 10/20/23 at 14:40:35 So, when are we getting JOG back??? |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by LANCER on 10/21/23 at 04:39:47 52555452505249523D0 wrote:
When the aliens release him. |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Serowbot on 10/21/23 at 06:50:29 6B66696462753530070 wrote:
When the aliens release him.[/quote] That shouldn't take long :-? |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by ohiomoto on 10/21/23 at 08:14:13 Maybe they like him?? :o |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Ruttly on 10/21/23 at 16:13:20 Hell no the aliens would return him with a bow on in 15 minutes ! |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Ruttly on 10/21/23 at 16:14:13 Or less |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Ruttly on 10/21/23 at 16:17:00 I hope he is healthy and happy |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Eegore on 10/21/23 at 18:17:23 Were schools at one point educating that "Fossil Fuels" were dinosaurs? I've heard this a few times from a few different people that really aren't into online hype trains. |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Ruttly on 10/21/23 at 21:16:03 I know why he left. All these dam pop up ads. They are freakin annoying. Hell I’m ready to bail out too. Mr Mysterious better get that crap under control. It will be more time building bike than talking about it. I’m usually the last to complain so I know many feel the same way. I can read it anytime , I only post because I like to write and have made a friend or two here. I think ! I’ve seen other forums just cease to exist over this same problem , Greed. |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by J Mac on 10/22/23 at 16:40:58 I use the Brave browser. I see no ads whatsoever. 715657574F5A230 wrote:
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by J Mac on 10/22/23 at 16:45:24 Yes, hence the name "fossil fuel". My understanding is that the Russians coined that name or propagated that idea in the late 18th or early 19th century. It turns out that oil is not a finite resource of material made from ancient decayed animals and plants. It's a renewable resource. The Earth replenishes it. That's why old reservoirs sometimes become active again. The idea of running out of oil is now outmoded. Oh, as far as fossils go, I've been told by colleagues that crude may contain tiny fossils, which isn't surprising given it's lifted from various types of geologic formations often miles below the surface or sea bed. 1535373F2235500 wrote:
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Eegore on 10/22/23 at 21:47:45 The Earth replenishes it. That's why old reservoirs sometimes become active again. Do you have a reference for this? I wasn't aware that oil can organically process that fast. I am aware that oil will refill, like a dried up well, with existing oil that was not pumped. By "replenish" do you mean refill with existing oil that was developed over hundreds of thousands of years, or millions of years, or that it was replenished within 1000 years? If indeed organic material can turn into useable oil in lets say 1000 years I would be very surprised, this would change everything we know about organic decay right? |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Dave on 10/23/23 at 05:06:00 212C232E283F7F7A4D0 wrote:
Not too long ago I read that the oil and coal deposits were the result of the creation of woody plants and trees. The wood did not decompose as it would today - because there was nothing around that knew how to deal with wood. The trees and woody plants got buried and stayed underground......and eventually it became coal and oil. Here is more detailed explanation.....I am not smart enough to know how accurate it is - but it certainly sounds plausible. The first of these is the appearance of bark-bearing trees (and in particular the evolution of the bark fiber lignin). The second is the lower sea levels that occurred during the Carboniferous as compared to the Devonian period. This allowed for the development of extensive lowland swamps and forests in North America and Europe. Based on a genetic analysis of mushroom fungi, David Hibbett and colleagues proposed that large quantities of wood were buried during this period because animals and decomposing bacteria had not yet evolved that could effectively digest the tough lignin. It is assumed that fungi that could break it down did not arise before the end of the period, making future coal formation much more rare.[14][15] The Carboniferous trees made extensive use of lignin. They had bark to wood ratios of 8 to 1, and even as high as 20 to 1. This compares to modern values less than 1 to 4. This bark, which must have been used as support as well as protection, probably had 38% to 58% lignin. Lignin is insoluble, too large to pass through cell walls, too heterogeneous for specific enzymes, and toxic, so that few organisms other than Basidiomycetes fungi can degrade it. It can not be oxidized in an atmosphere of less than 5% oxygen. It can linger in soil for thousands of years and inhibits decay of other substances |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by MMRanch on 10/23/23 at 07:55:15 In third grade we all knew that Sinclair Gas was from dino's because there was a dino on the gas station sign ! 8-) |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Mavigogun on 10/31/23 at 10:04:25 78757A7771662623140 wrote:
You've misread: there was no suggestion that very-small organisms didn't predate towering plant life- rather, that microbes did not adapt to the unique qualities of trees for an extended period. |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by Mavigogun on 10/31/23 at 10:30:28 142F2235242833352E262B34470 wrote:
This bit speaks to both why geologists commonly see coal deposits within certain strata and not others (read: time periods), and why other "fossil fuels" are likewise associated with certain epochs. Our picture of the ancient past continues to develop; feeling around for shapes in the dark has demonstrated what we once thought a snake to be the trunk of an elephant, "best" understandings adapted or dispensed with when "better" is reckoned- and when we can, tested. The terrestrial animal explanation appealed within the confines of our understanding and imaginative needs of the time- and that's OK; as consideration expanded, the notion was shed like old skin, becoming yet another constituent of folk lore and that enduring oily sludge that is meme culture. |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by ohiomoto on 10/31/23 at 17:30:36 OMG JOG, please, we need you! |
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Title: Re: What's this? Post by ohiomoto on 11/10/23 at 17:15:17 Hello? Is there anybody out there? JOG where are you? |
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