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Title: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/02/23 at 20:33:32 13.4 billion years ago for the Big Bang now has six "super galaxies" that strongly pre-exist the start of everything. We got new data points (six entire super galaxies of them) that need a new space time origin theory to cover them. Thank you for the timely mental shake up, James Webb Telescope ........ our astronomers now will have new theories to propose. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by LANCER on 03/03/23 at 04:08:37 So the new scope shows more stars than before, 6 new super galaxies this time … SURPRISE SURPRISE… it just goes on and on as God made it. They keep looking for the end of it but that will never happen. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/03/23 at 04:45:48 Yep, Hubble couldn't discern the 6 super galaxy thingies apart from being a single point source of light , but James Webb could see it as a really big mass of very old mixed stars that are ridiculously far far far away (and super duper old to boot as distance = time for the light to get here). We need a new theory that has had many many big bangs that have been going on since God time. God's creation is BIG !!!!!! What will the next more powerful telescope tell us ??? https://e-catworld.com/2023/02/27/extremely-unexpected-universe-breaking-galaxies-identified/ |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by LANCER on 03/03/23 at 08:15:26 A new look in tomorrows tomorrow will still be saying “It’s bigger still!” |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Serowbot on 03/03/23 at 08:33:18 I'm more and more inclined to believe that we're just NPC's in some childs video game... It would explain a lot :P |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/03/23 at 08:36:32 I was watching something on this just a few days ago. The thing that was twisting minds up was the Size of those things. They expected them not to have expanded as far as they had, ? Or do I have that backwards? Dammitall. IDK.. But this is absolutely in the But Wait! There's More! department. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/03/23 at 14:51:36 The six super galaxies (aka likely products of very remote far previous separate space time expansions) are way too big and way too far away to be a part of our local universe's 13.4 billion years ago big bang. It is clear that new theories are needed and a whole slew of explanation programs on channel 4 and YouTube will be needed too. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/03/23 at 18:06:53 This sounds like something an expert would refer to as an Unexpected Surprise... |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by MMRanch on 03/03/23 at 18:49:30 All that " Theory " makes me wonder why anyone would believe a word of it ! It seems more correct to admit that we don't know and that we "THINK" this or that could have happened . No one know for sure . We all can have a theory , but I'll be the first to admit that : All that was before my time ! I'm not saying that we shouldn't wonder how the universe got started , but we really shouldn't claim we know when , no-one could ever know for sure. Clear as MUD isn't it ? ;D |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by LANCER on 03/04/23 at 04:31:23 Absolutely. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by J Mac on 03/04/23 at 05:59:50 There's an abundance of mind-bending science, knowledge, technology, and human genius in the disciplines of astronomy, astrophysics, etc. So much of this power has been funneled into attempts to deny a creator being behind everything that exists. We have incredible rovers on Mars hoping to find evidence of microorganisms to somehow bolster evolution. The Big Bang started everything, but who was behind the Big Bang? We can believe in humanoid creatures that travel ridiculous distances that defy the logic of time/space to get here in vehicles we can't explain, but believing in God is a stretch and oh so medieval? I'm a Christian, but my little mind hurts when I think too much about God being eternal, having no beginning or end. I can't make it compute, yet I believe it. We're so used to the paradigm of birth, life, and death. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/06/23 at 07:51:09 Another thing that is new is the HUGE EXTREME DISTANCES between the six new HUGE super galaxies that have been discovered so far ...... To simply to send light from the furtherst supergalaxy on the left to the furtherst away supergalaxy on the right (since they are convienently located on the opposite sides of James Web's detection range) would take over 26 billion years. The next telescope we build will see further and will compound this conceptual issue even more. Multiple big bangs may be involved here ...... if so what do we call the space between the big bang zones and what laws does that blank space run under? Space/time rules in our big bang zone are mostly understood, but do the different big bang zones have different system rules? ;) |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by MMRanch on 03/06/23 at 19:57:54 Wow ! I'm glad I'm not in charge of all that trying to figure it all out ! It's enough for me to try to figure out how to get enough time in the day for at least a short bike ride ! ;) Just once or twice around our own Galaxy on most days ! ;D .................. I hope we're not using our tax dollars to fund someone pondering the universe ?? Doing it for free here is enough ! Anybody ever hear of the Biblically "GAP" theory of creation ? That's the one I'm thinking is most likely . But That all happened "Before my time" so I'll never know for sure. :-/ |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Eegore on 03/07/23 at 05:21:31 All that " Theory " makes me wonder why anyone would believe a word of it ! It seems more correct to admit that we don't know and that we "THINK" this or that could have happened . That's pretty much all I've heard from an astronomy perspective. The only place I've heard that "knows" for sure how the Universe started is religion. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by verslagen1 on 03/07/23 at 08:13:44 the more we know, the more we know we don't know :-? |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/07/23 at 09:36:19 If I have this right, the Big Bang has not been discarded?? And it says that All Matter once upon a time, was ALL located in a tiny little place,, right? IIRC, the size of it according to the theory, is All the Matter in the universe was packed into a space the size of the period,, that one,, riiiight There...... Is that correct? If it is, I'm starting to seriously doubt that idea. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by MMRanch on 03/07/23 at 17:40:09 What Versey said : the more we know, the more we know we don't know .............. One thing I am sure of is : When I play by the rules in the Bible Book , and pray in Jesus's name ... I get results . Don't know if that's Religion , but it works. :) ................... I believe its perfectly natural for us to ponder "The Meaning of Life" people have always and always will want to understand everything ... even if it means making stuff up ! However Somethings there just ain't no way to know , no matter how much we learn. So , "IF" we discover more and more stuff about space , does that mean : 1. We will travel lightyears away from earth ? 2. We will just fill libraries with Theories and call them FACTS ? Anybody got any ideas where the Big Bang could have came from ? Right now I'm pondering the idea of : Snow , in Southern Calf. ? |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/23 at 06:47:16 Remember when the reservoirs were almost dried up and it was because of global warming? Well, now there has been rain and snow and water levels are looking a lot better,, because of Global warming.. I thought snow was a thing of the past. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by MMRanch on 03/08/23 at 08:42:47 Well, now there has been rain and snow and water levels are looking a lot better,, because of Global warming.. Your Right JOG ! The next problem is going to be MUD SLIDES . |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by J Mac on 03/08/23 at 16:53:06 I wouldn't be surprised if somehow they spun the end of the drought in California as a bad thing. After all, there can never be any good news (for regressive liberals). 1F0D1F0D00131C111A520 wrote:
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/14/23 at 00:18:33 OK, it isn't just six super duper sized, super duper old, super duper far away galaxies that clearly pre-existed the Big Bang. Now that they know a lot more about what they are looking for, they have re-analyzed the already existing James Webb deep field views and have found HUNDREDS of more of them ...... in all directions. Odds are good if it is faint, red, fuzzy edged and very very very far away it isn't a star at all. ;D ..... time to take some better focused brand new shots ....... |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/23 at 00:48:23 Thanks for bringing that information in. I get a deep inside me grin just trying to appreciate the depth and scope of the New Questions all this new information they have discovered opens the door to. Does it make The Big Bang theory a non starter? Or does it open the door to more than one Big Bang? If there is a Void for that to happen in, then why can't That Void be big enough for it to happen in more than once? At different times... Maybe the back yard is big enough for it to happen more than once. I rather like that idea.. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/14/23 at 05:52:32 I think a fresh very first infusion of matter into a zone of calm, neutral either begets the expanding etherial distortion that is now called space/time. The matter warps the space/time and this warping is called gravity. Theoretically, since nothing is there before it the original very first expansion of space/time originally caused by some matter distortion can expand out spherically at a rate many times greater than the speed of light. This fast space time distortion fast expansion rate is a one shot deal and that speed is only applicable on the very leading edge of the expansion effect. Once space/time is established and present in an area, the speed of light rules apply inside that area. I think folks cannot grasp the effects of the huge distances between these "super galaxies" as they go way way out into virgin calm of the undistorted either. They used to call these space time effect zones "island universes" in some of the very early theories of an ongoing cosmic creation. It gives a better idea of the size of the things and the scope of the effects of one. The effects of a new big bang are now being considered along the lines of a somewhat local event. This offers up the possibility that a new matter induced big bang generates a separate set of natural laws, laws that can vary somewhat between big bangs making areas where the physical laws may be slightly different. It is really really complex. It is really really really big. We still don't know what exists before space time, we have called it the either but have no definition for it other than "pre-exising nothingness". Gravitational waves (ripples in space/time) have now been observed affecting matter near two rapidly mutually orbiting dark holes that are getting ready to merge. Dark Energy apparently isn't theoretically limited by the speed of light, but we still haven't proven that puppy actually really exists. Supermassive Black Holes suck in real matter by the sun load. Where does it all go? Some super duper sized rapidly rotating galaxy center black holes may spew out some xray and up radiant energy and stripped down sub-nuclear particles in the form of tiny tiny particles reformed from energy, along with xrays and lots of ultra violet light ---- but all the flying junk resting in the neighborhood of the black hole obscures much direct observation of these huge galaxy center black holes. This black hole death beam that is generated is called a quasar and it can kill planets and stars if it hits them directly. What is bad is that the black hole wobbles some (progresses) like a top running down and that makes the death beam sweep along in a conical pattern wiping out a lot of stuff along the way. We don't know the range of the quazar beam's total reach, but we can see sparkles as it sweeps across stars and planets, obliterating them. http://https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Artist%27s_rendering_ULAS_J1120%2B0641.jpg/450px-Artist%27s_rendering_ULAS_J1120%2B0641.jpg See the quazar beam sparkle when it hits something ...... poof, vaporized suns and planets in the cosmic bug zapper. Next, note the size of the quazar beam --- .0 1% of the size of the galaxy for the hot core of the beam with an estimated ratiated power level of 10,000 suns (the ongoing, steady beam is quite large and quite strong). It ain't no flashlight, that's for sure. Hmmmmm? Headache, yet? |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/23 at 07:50:37 Okay, I'm clearly in over my head, but I'm trying to keep up. The result of the Bang slung Stuff out into the previously unmolested Ether and it was moving faster than speed of light.. Once space/time is established ( Which happens when Stuff enters ,creating space time) and present in an area, the speed of light rules apply. So, once Stuff is in the Ether, there is a distance between the bits of stuff, and that distance between them requires space to exist in and with distance between things time must exist to allow measuring how things happen relative to the bits in different places? But once Stuff was out there, then the rules change, now we have a speed limit. Not going to even try to understand that, I'm just going to nod and pretend I get it. Hey, worked in school.. My post, what I was thinking might be a reasonable idea,, maybe not,, but IF the Void,the empty ether was Big enough, would it be possible for it to have a Bang in one place and then have another one in another place? If it's a big enough emptiness, why not? Now,, the question I Really like is Where Do it Go?? This Thing that sukks So Hard that Light can't get out, it's got such an appetite that it can eat suns, and we have Seen it's Mouth.. But where is it's butthole? Can stuff just go In and then what? Is it a Galactic trash compactor? Does it crush the stuff? Disassemble everything back to subatomic particles and squirt it out into a New Void? I'm just Sure someone is gonna say Something and I'm Suddenly going to totally Grok the mechanism of creation and understand the ways of the universe, multiverse, and the inverted realities that exist on the other side of the black holes. Hell, I couldn't make friends with Algebra.. Don't frustrate yourself trying to explain too much, I'm okay living in the world with the limited understanding I have. I'm curious and would really like to actually understand more, but I don't want to stress anyone out trying to explain it. I'll read what you say and see what happens, for sure. Thanks |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by badwolf on 03/14/23 at 10:53:05 JOG, All you need to now is- It's always 5 o'clock somewhere! |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/16/23 at 15:53:43 "The result of the Bang slung Stuff out into the previously unmolested Ether and it was moving faster than speed of light.." Nope, the big bang can't throw stuff faster than the speed of light. Space/time can expand faster than the speed of light, but only the front edge of the effect where immaterial aether becomes immaterial space time can actually do the faster than light trick. This sounds kinda clear as mud, but the existence of matter means there is now space/time present and that is getting distorted by matter (if present) and by doing so making up gravity, etc. etc. ----- The change over front from "virgin aether" to "space-time" can effect itself as a "change over effect" covering an area faster than the speed of light. This is a one shot change over effect ends itself as the wave front goes past. Once space-time is firmly in charge, the speed limit of the speed of light applies ...... Nothing material can make it to the speed of light, just get up to pretty close to it. Like I said, clear as mud. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/18/23 at 07:13:35 Okay,, I got it. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by MMRanch on 03/19/23 at 14:20:36 I wonder if JOG is right about there being a back side ... Everything has a back side ... RIGHT ? https://www.rvtravel.com/backside932/ |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by MMRanch on 03/19/23 at 14:28:21 That does bring up the question of : If somehow the Big Bangs , were getting stacked up ... then could there be repeats going on ? And Within the Repeats , is time-travel a real thing ? ............. All this being in Theory that is ? This is feeling like a "Campfire discussion" on a clear summers night . 8-) |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by LANCER on 03/19/23 at 17:48:46 “Nope, the big bang can't throw stuff faster than the speed of light. Space/time can expand faster than the speed of light, but only the front edge of the effect where immaterial aether becomes immaterial space time can actually do the faster than light trick.“ So, when was it that humans were able to see, detect and/or measure this tidal wave of space & time when it came rolling through ? |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/20/23 at 08:22:10 Lancer, they can't. No people back then, 13.x billion years ago. Theoretical Origin Astrophysics is about as theoretical as it can get. Some theory that is closer to real is gravitonics and gravity waves coming from twinned close co-orbiting black holes, the resulting gravity waves so strong you can see the ripples expressed in nearby star masses and gas fields and associated type objects. Now, considering you are looking at light that is hundreds of thousands of years old, how relevant is this to our current reality is something else to consider. Jesus is a lot closer to relevant, being only 2023 years ago and having left more physical traces to study. Jesus was the "big bang" in human history. His conversion front covered known humanity inside a few hundred years. He left rippling gravity waves too ...... ripples that we still see rolling through mankind. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Eegore on 03/21/23 at 08:40:09 Weren't there humans before Jesus? |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by LANCER on 03/21/23 at 11:01:05 Before Jesus on earth, yes. Their existence and time and space, no, since He, the only Eternal Sovereign God, The Alpha and The Omega, proceeds everything He created and has absolute control all things all of the time. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 03/21/23 at 13:59:00 Jesus has been around since before the material universe was created. Jesus coming to earth physically was a pre-arranged event, an act of redemption by grace that mankind required and God provided. :) |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/27/23 at 10:20:46 Best I can tell humans existed outside the Garden of Eden. Otherwise God would not have needed to mark Cain,so people didn't do anything to him. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 04/01/23 at 12:26:12 Remember, those original people lived a long long time and they had lots of kids. Cain had a lot of near relatives descended from both Able and from Cain himself living in whole tribes close by near him by the time he got his mark put on him so his near relatives descended from Able etc. wouldn't kill him. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 05/05/23 at 10:18:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSJ7F7ckhPM&ab_channel=AstralicaSpace OK, a singular Big Bang isn't a currently trusted theory any longer. Haven't got a clue of what replaces it yet ....... but some hints are coming in now. ;) They can see very clearly well over 20 billion years into the past now ..... and they see lots of old stars populating very old galaxies way way out as far as they can see. They question if they are from "other big bangs" as that is a potential explanation of what they can currently see. Now does this theory also offer a place as to where all the sun matter and dust matter goes when it get sucked into a black hole? Does it come out of a white hole that constitutes the big bang event of a new area ???? ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGmqvyouEdI&ab_channel=SpaceWind How many big bangs would it take to populate what we can see now? A couple of dozen bangs would suffice for what we can see locally right now, but efforts to "de-fuzzy" some of the large very fuzzy supergalaxy looking edge items is likely to resolve into even more much older supergalaxy areas each with its own bang. Multiple bangs (each with local space time expansion) seems to hold as the current best theory as the "starts as a hot dense state" seems to hold AS A LOCAL EXPANDING SPACE TIME CREATION PHENOMENA. And yes, James Webb can currently see what may be about 50 brand new big bang driven space time "super galaxy" formations with lots & lots & lots of unmodified empty virgin area between the populated space time areas. Creation is a whole lot bigger than what we used to think it was ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBMRGYKvuHk&ab_channel=Orbit-BeyondtheBlue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjgFR33-v-I&t=34s&ab_channel=StarTalk ;D |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/23 at 19:13:07 If you're able to grasp The Big Bang Then accepting that The Void that it happened in is big enough for it to happen again Aaand maybe Again |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by MMRanch on 05/06/23 at 21:45:18 Wow ! All that stuff was before my time , but I can say that : I"ve read this or that , but I don't know for sure. I do think the "Gap Theory of Creation" is the most probable. Just from reasoning things out. Thinking we can "KNOW FOR SURE" how the universe started seems highly unlikely to me. Not that it ain't FUN to speculate on "How it all Started" :) |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by LANCER on 05/07/23 at 04:12:19 HE says in THE BOOK that after He gathers all those whom He has chosen for Himself, He will destroy this creation and then make a new one. Understanding how this creation came to be ? Nope, mankind can’t get a handle on what we can see and touch, much less that which is beyond the physical universe. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 05/07/23 at 17:20:12 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lights+showing+on+other+planets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfw__8RCHCk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Hy-GADxeI&ab_channel=Voyager Well, James Webb has captured a relatively nearby world Proxima B that has constantly glowing (not sporadic lightning effects) lights showing up on the night side of the planet. |
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Title: Re: New data for the origin of everything ........ Post by MMRanch on 05/07/23 at 19:32:20 Hay Lancer The statement : HE says in THE BOOK that after He gathers all those whom He has chosen for Himself, He will destroy this creation and then make a new one. seems like it could be about Noah ? Where in the book ya referring too ? I'm guessing maybe early in the Book of Genesis ? About right after the Generations of Adam ?? |
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