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Title: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/18/23 at 04:24:59 Puddinhead has got to go. “Nearly 100 known or suspected terrorists were arrested at the southern border last year, according to Customs and Border Protection. By comparison, over the previous five years, there was a combined total of 26 arrests. Meanwhile, human smuggling operations' profits have skyrocketed in recent years. According to Homeland Security Investigations, the industry raked in $13 billion as of July — up from $500 million in 2018. And CBP seized 15,000 pounds of fentanyl along the southern border in 2022 — a 206% increase since 2020.” |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/18/23 at 05:27:08 Didn't they keep Trump's border policies in place? What changed? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Serowbot on 01/18/23 at 07:40:59 6747454D5047220 wrote:
tRump's magical aura... |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by MnSpring on 01/18/23 at 10:07:54 78585A524F583D0 wrote:
Just a tiny few, which you did not know of ??????????? Biden signed a trio of executive orders to reverse the immigration policies of former President Donald Trump … Biden signed orders to end a 2018 “zero tolerance” policy on prosecuting illegal border crossings … Biden signed orders requesting a comprehensive review Trump-era immigration policies … Biden said; “We’re going to work to undo the moral and national shame of the previous administration … “ Biden has signed 25 other executive orders since taking office on Jan. 20, including orders to halt construction of Trump’s US-Mexico border wall and to affirm the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program that grants work permits and protection from deportation to people brought illegally to the US as children … The zero-tolerance policy reversed by Biden … Biden’s order requesting a review of Trump immigration policies requires a specific reivew of Trump’s “public charge rule” that prevents immigrants on public assistance from receiving a green card … The Biden administration systematically reversed the most successful border security policies ever created, … Biden discontinued the Migrant Protection Protocol (MPP), better known as the Remain in Mexico program… Biden ended the Safe Third Country agreements the Trump administration had put in place … Biden administration dismantled the deportation process by placing a moratorium on all deportations … Biden administration has revived the so-called “catch and release” system … Biden’s executive order only permits Border Patrol to hold an undocumented immigrant crossing the border for up to 72 hours … Wait, ... ... ... |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/18/23 at 10:16:26 How about the biggest change is a (justifiable) perception of weakness. I saw interviews with illegals saying they were coming because Biden would let them in. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/18/23 at 10:19:18 "Just a tiny few, which you did not know of ???????????" Multiple. I have nobody at the border right now, almost everyone is in Europe. Your list repeats itself but it is a good example of what to look for. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/18/23 at 10:20:43 "I saw interviews with illegals saying they were coming because Biden would let them in." I saw some of this too. Some of the traffickers in Honduras even put out public postings with Biden's face on them saying the border is "open" etc. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/18/23 at 13:36:42 Pudd’nhead said the other day “it’s not like these people are gathering all their belongings, selling them and getting as much money together as they can, giving it to a coyote to get them across the border. That’s not what’s happening.“ What a stupid dumb fxxk. That’s exactly what’s happening. he can say that because he knows the corporate media, which is all on board with illegal immigration because it doesn’t affect their jobs, won’t challenge him on statements like that.. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Serowbot on 01/18/23 at 15:21:24 7B494E5F58495E614D5E472C0 wrote:
Googled this quote... no results. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by MnSpring on 01/18/23 at 15:49:52 2731263B23363B20540 wrote: Didn't look to hard did you ! "...“There is no way you can cross Mexico without paying off a cartel,” said Landon Hutchens, a spokesman for US Customs and Border Protection in El Paso. ..." |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Serowbot on 01/18/23 at 15:55:22 Sorry.... I wasn't looking for an entirely different quote from an entirely different person. Is that how it works in MAGAland? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s b Post by WebsterMark on 01/18/23 at 18:40:41 5A4C5B465E4B465D290 wrote:
Googled this quote... no results.[/quote] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENmnA8pdwKo IT‘S NOT LIKE PEOPLE ARE SITTING AROUND A TABLE SOMEWHERE AND IN CENTRAL 7:55 AMERICA SAYING I HAVE A GREAT IDEA! 7:57 LET‘S SELL EVERYTHING WE HAVE 7:59 AND GIVE IT TO A COYOTE AND 8:01 SMUGGLER AND TAKE US ON A SMUGGLER AND TAKE HARROWING JOURNEY FOR A THOUSAND MILES TO GET TO THE UNITED STATES WHERE WE‘LL 8:10 THOUSAND MILES TO GET TO THE UNITED STATES WHERE WE‘LL ILLEGALLY CROSS TO THE DESERT 8:11 UNITED STATES WHERE WE‘LL ILLEGALLY CROSS TO THE DESERT AND NOT SPEAK THE LANGUAGE. 8:13 ILLEGALLY CROSS TO THE DESERT AND NOT SPEAK THE LANGUAGE. WON‘T THAT BE FUN? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/18/23 at 23:22:37 not like these people are gathering all their belongings, selling them and getting as much money together as they can, giving it to a coyote to get them across the border. That’s not what’s happening.“ Maybe Joe knows where the money is coming from for a lot of them. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/19/23 at 05:16:54 "Sorry.... I wasn't looking for an entirely different quote from an entirely different person. Is that how it works in MAGAland?" Yes. What are you new here? Obviously when someone tells you that you didn't "look to hard" for a quote from the President it makes complete sense to provide a different quote from a different person as evidence. That's what I do when I quote someone, I use different words from different people. Official remarks from Biden: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/01/31/remarks-by-president-biden-at-meeting-with-the-national-governors-association/ |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Serowbot on 01/19/23 at 07:04:11 Quotation marks should be for quotes,... not paraphrased, distortions |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/19/23 at 09:08:34 I gave you exact quotes, a transcript in fact. As I said Pudd’nhead can say whatever he wants and he won’t be challenged by the friendly media. What he said wasn’t happening is exactly what’s happening. He needs to be thrown out with the trash and it’s looking more and more like his Democratic colleagues are on board with that idea. Unbelievably, I saw CNN ran an article about what Fox News and others have been talking about for two years, that the Biden family “crime family“ and their methods to getting rich….are suspect. A little late to the game and only when it benefits their team. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/19/23 at 09:33:18 " A little late to the game and only when it benefits their team." Agreed, but as long as it benefits their team, what else should we expect. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/19/23 at 10:30:42 Here Sew, you want transcripts to this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO0qmD0Mo68 |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/20/23 at 14:00:29 I think the video is very appropriate for the coming period. A lot will come out. And not just Biden stuff. I'd say hold on to your socks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-JJuHpfN5g |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/22/23 at 05:21:19 Chief of Staff resigns. Reports that “6 classified documents items” found in Puddinhead’s home. (6 items as in 6 documents, folders, boxes?…. 6 what?) Puddinhead’s on his way out. Pretty soon we’re going to start hearing about heath issues and Kamala will start popping up everywhere. This is the prelude to Puddinhead’s resignation for health and so he can spend more time with his family. After all, he’s probably got more nieces and grand daughters to shower with and that President thing take a a lot of time… |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/22/23 at 10:36:25 I don't understand why it is taking so long to find the documents biden so joyfully wanted to return. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by pg on 01/22/23 at 10:54:40 The Department of Justice found "six items consisting of documents with classification markings" during a Friday search of President Joe Biden's home in Wilmington, Delaware, according to a Saturday statement by the president's personal lawyers. WTF are six 'ITEMS'? Documents, boxes, pallets.............. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by MnSpring on 01/22/23 at 12:38:46 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
Wait, did not, "someone", say, Biden GAVE the items to ... And Trump did not. So, Biden Wins ????????????????? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/22/23 at 13:27:27 So Biden already had top secrets at home before he was president. Intresting.... |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/23/23 at 05:02:52 "Wait, did not, "someone", say, Biden GAVE the items to ... And Trump did not. So, Biden Wins ?????????????????" There is nothing to "win". This further proves my point. Facts don't care about, or even require a winner/loser, Dem/Rep etc. They are just facts. One human voluntarily gave up documents, and another human refused. That's it. Nobody wins anything, it's just fact. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/23/23 at 05:04:14 So Biden already had top secrets at home before he was president. Yes, from when he was Vice President. And yes a VP can declassify documents no matter what people say, it won't change law. However I do not believe he declassified any of it. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/23/23 at 05:44:19 Good To know how... And can he let them wander around in a building in china town so that his son can sell them to a chinese? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/23/23 at 06:20:45 And can he let them wander around in a building in china town so that his son can sell them to a chinese? I don't think that would be legal. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/23/23 at 06:37:50 And if you compare this incident with Trump's documents. What are your conclusions? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by pg on 01/23/23 at 06:40:39 0C2C2E263B2C490 wrote:
Do you feel Brandon broke the law? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/23/23 at 06:44:39 And if you compare this incident with Trump's documents. What are your conclusions? I think there are too many differences to conclude much more than what I have said. I don't know the content of the documents, the intent, or in Biden's case, how they got there. I'm not a fan of filling the blanks with my imagination then claiming them as fact. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/23/23 at 06:51:31 "Do you feel Brandon broke the law?" I would say yes in regards to the Presidential Records Act, but I am unsure how this scenario applies to the complimentary portion - the Espionage Act, as applies mostly "when an aggravating factor is present". If he was aware, then yes. If he was not aware then no. This is in accordance to actual law, not imagined scenario law where opinion is portrayed as fact. My opinions aren't relevant to how the law is applied here. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Serowbot on 01/23/23 at 07:38:07 The way the law is written requires intent... tRump's is clear... Biden remains to be seen. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/23/23 at 08:04:11 The law requires intent? Intent to do what? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by pg on 01/23/23 at 08:19:35 4254435E46535E45310 wrote:
Which law are you referring to? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by pg on 01/23/23 at 08:22:09 2036213C24313C27530 wrote:
Trump can't hold a candle to Brandon. 50m+ from anonymous Chinese donations, Hunter getting diamonds from the CCP, selling our national oil reserves to China, classified documents turning up in Chinatown........... ;D Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Serowbot on 01/23/23 at 09:29:06 You're building a puzzle with half the pieces... |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/23/23 at 09:58:18 You call it a puzzle? OK.. This puzzle also has a lid with the picture on it, of what it will look like when it is finished. So you may not be able to find the hidden puzzle pieces, but you know what the picture looks like. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/23/23 at 10:32:11 283E29342C39342F5B0 wrote:
Intent? Inadvertently breaking the law means you don't get in trouble? When did they start that? And all these years I've been told Ignorance of the law is no excuse.. So, can you show me what you're talking about? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/23/23 at 10:35:30 2B3D2A372F3A372C580 wrote:
Coming from a guy who cuts the pieces to fit his puzzle, that’s hilarious! Trump never said Nazis were fine people or you should drink bleach. You just pull those pieces out from the box and trim them until they fit. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/23/23 at 10:46:39 That was a question Trump asked in public. If that medicine would work. He referred to a, do it your self medicine, that is used in many developing countries against parasites, bacteria and viruses. If you look at the mortality rate in Africa from covid, you can see that that treatment method has worked. Of course that was, and still is, used to paint Trump as an idiot. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/23/23 at 14:17:09 Intent? Inadvertently breaking the law means you don't get in trouble? When did they start that? And all these years I've been told Ignorance of the law is no excuse.. So, can you show me what you're talking about? That's pretty much all US law. It's like the difference between Murder 1 and Manslaughter. For instance Alec Baldwin most likely did not have "intent to murder" Hutchins, but that doesn't mean he won't get into trouble for killing her. Or since people will cry about it: Specifically it doesn't mean he won't be charged with a crime, however he may not be found guilty. If Trump thought he had declassified documents in full and could keep them, then his intent is not to "steal" documents. But if his intent was to take them even without completing the proper procedures then it is applied differently under US law as he had intent to keep them illegally. If Biden knew about the garage documents and intended on keeping them, that is different than not knowing they were collecting exhaust from his corvette. His intent to keep them is a factor. The Espionage Act requires intent. They don't prosecute and execute every federal employee or contractor that ended up with classified documents because they factor in intent. They may get "into trouble" but they aren't imprisoned or killed for things they didn't know about or intend to screw up. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/23/23 at 14:22:07 If you look at the mortality rate in Africa from covid, you can see that that treatment method has worked. I'd like to see that information. What I have seen is taking whole numbers and ignoring the percentages. Also it ignores geographical components, like comparing inner-city rates in the US to thousands of open-acre land in Africa, instead of more accurately comparing rural US farmland to African tribal open land. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by pg on 01/23/23 at 15:30:32 That's pretty much all US law. That is not accurate................. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by pg on 01/23/23 at 17:34:12 4750565A5545370 wrote:
Actually, on second thought............. As you said it may lift the burden of proof for Biden and his classified docs next to his vette. Comey said that would suffice for Hillary. That was the likely defense for Hunter with the crack pipe in the car, or incriminating evidence of shady business deals with the 'big guy;. I stand corrected. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/23/23 at 20:54:25 That is not accurate................. My understanding of US law is that there exists, in most cases, an evaluation of General Intent vs, Specific Intent. This is why there are variable sentencing options, and prosecution options. Degree of crime or damage, and intent. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/23/23 at 22:55:06 You mean, with a Rag? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/24/23 at 01:45:29 1131333B2631540 wrote:
Dear citizen with the same attitude, I think it would be best if you look up the numbers yourself. (You know why) Keep in mind that the Africans had very limited access to RMA vaccines. The drug is called MMS in the West. It has been labeled as dangerous here, but that has been done by the lobby of drug manufacturers. They have even managed to make it illegal to mention the effect of medicinal herbs on the internet. (In Europe that is). I know it's against party program to talk about this but it's the truth. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/24/23 at 03:59:07 514E5D4E454E454E594C424E2B0 wrote:
Africa’s low death rate has really nothing to do with treatment, it had everything to do with average age. Covid primarily is the deadliest for elderly. Africa has a ridiculously low median age compared to the rest of the world. This is old news, this is nothing new. There’s nothing magical about Africa’s Covid numbers, they’re just mostly much younger people than the rest of the world. That’s all there is to it. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-the-median-age-of-every-continent/ |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/24/23 at 04:00:06 Course I suppose you could add to that Covid is also deadliest for people with certain comorbidities, a lot of which are associated with weight. Not a lot of fat people in Africa. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 05:23:14 I think it would be best if you look up the numbers yourself. (You know why) Keep in mind that the Africans had very limited access to RMA vaccines. The drug is called MMS in the West. It has been labeled as dangerous here, but that has been done by the lobby of drug manufacturers. They have even managed to make it illegal to mention the effect of medicinal herbs on the internet. (In Europe that is). I know it's against party program to talk about this but it's the truth. I disagree, you are in this case ignoring a lot of other variables. If you take humans of the same age, proximity, and health - Africa has had no better Covid outcomes. Webstermark points out some of the key points, like age and health in his post as well. If you compare African humans to US humans of the same age and health demographics, you do not get substantially different Covid mortality rates. If you were packing in thousands of overweight elderly Africans into cities, there would be more deaths. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/24/23 at 05:36:01 You forget to add that not having had a vaccination also contributed to the low mortality rate. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 07:26:09 You forget to add that not having had a vaccination also contributed to the low mortality rate. Again not unique to Africa. Many areas of Africa did get vaccinations and boosters, so we should have seen a higher percentage of deaths in those areas but that didn't happen. For instance Seychelles had ample supply, and does not have a higher mortality rate percentage. Same with Morroco and Rawanda, no increase in mortality rates. I understand that a vaccine made under the circumstances of the Covid vaccine could be deadlier than average. The issue is when something is deadlier there would be more dead humans. When I don't see more dead humans I don't think something is more deadly. This is no different than the claims, that are repeatedly defended, that the US military has 2000 soldiers per-day disabled by the vaccine. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/24/23 at 08:55:12 Dear Comrade, On August 26 2021, 2% of the African population had been fully vaccinated. After that time, covid had already diminished in strength. So there is no comparison to be made. And you forget that there are practically no affordable health facilities in Africa and that many people suffer from AIDS,(Especially in the big cities) Yet covid has not wreaked havoc among people with fragile health as in Western countries. I know I'm going against the party's strategy but I can't keep my mouth shut. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 09:06:38 On August 26 2021, 2% of the African population had been fully vaccinated. After that time, covid had already diminished in strength. So there is no comparison to be made. I disagree. If you say the lack of vaccine caused fewer deaths, then that means the vaccine is killing people. So when more were vaccinated, more should have died. But there aren't more dead humans than normal in Africa when they had more vaccinations. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/24/23 at 09:17:36 Dear Comrade, On December 21, 2022, only 6% of Africans were fully vaccinated. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/24/23 at 09:34:14 I'm not retarded. And when I hear Top Secret, CCP chinatown HunterBiden and diamonds and put that next to the bribery strategy of china, and the US 1.3 trillion debt to China. I know for sure they had hunter by the balls. It's just a question of how, many people from the Biden administration have been bribed, but I think more than you, want. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 10:52:56 Dear Comrade, On December 21, 2022, only 6% of Africans were fully vaccinated. I understand. Your claim is there were fewer dead because the vaccination was not present or administered. Why were there no increase in mortality rates in locations with larger vaccination rates? Africa has had no outstanding differences in mortality rates or infection rates. And when I hear Top Secret, CCP chinatown HunterBiden and diamonds and put that next to the bribery strategy of china, and the US 1.3 trillion debt to China. I know for sure they had hunter by the balls. It's just a question of how, many people from the Biden administration have been bribed, but I think more than you, want. I never commented on any of that. I don't consider my opinions to be fact. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/24/23 at 11:07:35 7757555D4057320 wrote:
What happened in africa is the opposite of what everyone expected. The same level of antibodies was found in the blood of Africans as of the Spaniards, but the Spaniards died more en masse. Every country that had a high vaccination rate has lost many people. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 11:28:55 "What happened in africa is the opposite of what everyone expected. The same level of antibodies was found in the blood of Africans as of the Spaniards, but the Spaniards died more en masse." Again you need to compare age, proximity, and comorbidity. This whole-numbers thing fools nobody. Every country that had a high vaccination rate has lost many people. I disagree. There would be more dead people. Not claims where no bodies exist, but actual dead bodies. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/24/23 at 11:38:06 You should really take a look if you want to live in a world designed by a handful of millionaires and big corporations or if you want to live in a world designed from democratic decisions based on and sprung from the needs of people. (in an organic way) And then you can look what character the RNA vaccines have. And how traditional and alternative medicines have been handled in recent years. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/24/23 at 11:47:13 736C7F6C676C676C7B6E606C090 wrote:
Well, I don’t doubt people died after taking the vaccine, there’s no way it’s significant enough to change numbers on a large scale. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/24/23 at 11:53:05 I’m not even sure how we got to this point on this thread! I actually started this because a work colleague found a dead guy, at least he thought he was dead, at the St. Louis airport in the stairwell of the parking garage. A drug overdose. I also have seen videos of most major cities in the homeless populations that are saying have camps along freeway, underpasses and various places like that. The harshness and ease of which it is to attain these harsh drugs is enslaving hundreds of thousands of people maybe more. I’m 61 years old and I’ve traveled the country my entire life and I’ve never ever seen anything remotely close to this. We’ve always had drugs going back-and-forth across the border, but nothing like this. It is criminal that we can’t stop this. Build a giant wall, man it with soldiers, get the message out that no one crosses and you better stay home. if we have to fxxking invade Mexico to slow this down, then let’s fxxking invade them. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/24/23 at 12:09:58 I'll stay on topic better in the future. I think invading mexico has a little bit of side effects. I suggest we stop the war on drugs and follow Portugal's example. And I think if the government starts making drugs, so treats it pretty much like alcohol and cigarettes, it solves a lot of problems. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Serowbot on 01/24/23 at 12:11:38 615354454253447B57445D360 wrote:
Yeah, I been there... :P Anyway,... cancer is bad too. Let's build a wall around it. We can all agree that there's a problem. We can't agree that a wall is any kind of practical solution. Most drugs come across at border crossings... not in the middle of nowhere. Most immigrants are trying to apply for legal entry. Walls will only block bunnies. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/24/23 at 12:18:41 Or we can introduce the totalitarian system as the globalists want. that also solves a lot of problems. the side effect is that in 2030 you have lost your possessions and rights but you are happy. (they say) Am I still on topic? Edit: I used to run a business where we offered drug addicts coming out of rehab an reentry. The ones who successfully returned to society were the ones who got their act together so that she didn't have to anesthetize anymore. If a society does not offer opportunities for this, the problem will grow. Edit: And I almost forgot that if you want to stop drug abuse, you want to stop child abuse, because that goes hand in hand.(direct relation) |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/24/23 at 12:45:13 But I think a wall is a great idea, and that Mexico pays for it is great. If you want something to heal, you have to protect it first. Edit: Now that I think about it... lets invade mexico.:-) |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 12:56:41 Yeah I still think a physical wall is way to expensive. I have yet to meet a single soldier, NG, Border patrol, ICE, US Marshall that would choose a wall over more modern technology like drones, vehicles, sensors etc. A drive through vehicle scanner at every border patrol crossing would cost less than 15 miles of wall. A mobile vehicle scanner on a diesel costs les than 8 miles of wall. Of course I am talking erected walls, not containers that actual drug traffickers aren't impeded by. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/24/23 at 13:38:58 I think the wall is a great idea and we can start low and then build higher where needed. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/23 at 13:46:25 6040424A5740250 wrote:
What good will those things do? When the administration will sue a state for protecting the border, and millions are flooding the border and border patrol are used to change diapers and ferry illegals into the country,, technology that Could help isn't gonna accomplish crap. The people running the country are screwing us. The cost of a wall is not too much. It's just the start. Someone needs to patrol the border, repair the wall add deterrents where necessary.. And Yeah, I Really don't CARE what the troops doing the job say. They aren't doing the job. Walls would pay for themselves. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 14:42:02 "And Yeah, I Really don't CARE what the troops doing the job say. They aren't doing the job." They are doing more of it than the people safe at home typing about it with zero experience. Anyone with a ladder can defeat the wall they are putting up. They don't work unless they are staffed. One section of wall could pay for every ladder to go over it for 3000 years. This also ignores the fact that most drugs don't even come in that way. 6 National Guardsmen intercepted over 300 immigrants, and 3 drug shipments using a single FLIR drone for a cost of less than 300k. Walls in that region would run over just under 14 million to install. I am certain those drug dealers and many of those immigrants could get over a wall. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/24/23 at 14:50:41 We can all agree that there's a problem. No, we can’t. We can't agree that a wall is any kind of practical solution. It’s one solution. Most drugs come across at border crossings... not in the middle of nowhere. Nobody knows that, that’s the point. No one has any idea how much drugs is being snuck across the border away from crossing points. Most immigrants are trying to apply for legal entry. So? If 50 million people came up from South America and applied for legal status, that’s OK? Then, why do we have all these people “apply for legal status, and are told to report back, who never show up again. Walls will only block bunnies. Really? That’s just absolutely not true. And one reason you need a wall instead of electronic monitoring. Another systems is that they can just be ordered abandon by one political administration as soon as they figure out immigration is valuable for them. Why are you so against gaining complete control over the border? An honest question and how about a serious answer. Sure, life is tough in Central and South America. Then yeah I know we were country founded on immigration but at some point we have enough. So give me a number. 50,000,000 immigrants 20000,000 100, million 5 million, what’s your number? And do they need to have some type of status such as ability to work? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by pg on 01/24/23 at 15:59:17 A wall works just fine for all these countries............... https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-border-walls.html Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by pg on 01/24/23 at 16:03:31 2404060E1304610 wrote:
I didn't mean on getting behind the wheel after that last six pack, or I didn't intend on stealing $XXXX................. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 16:16:34 I didn't mean on getting behind the wheel after that last six pack, or I didn't intend on stealing $XXXX................. Exactly. You notice drunk driving laws do not factor in degrees of charge based off intent. But if you kill someone while driving drunk you do not get charged with 1st degree murder because your intent was not to go kill someone. I find it hard to believe you don't think intent is a factor in law. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 16:23:51 "And one reason you need a wall instead of electronic monitoring. Another systems is that they can just be ordered abandon by one political administration as soon as they figure out immigration is valuable for them. " A $60 Home Depot ladder solves the problem for any drug smuggler or group of immigrants. Literally an unstaffed/unfunded wall is mitigated with a ladder, so an "abandoned" wall is no better than an abandoned thermal seismic sensor. I don't see the fiscal responsibility in putting the billions of dollars into a wall across the entire border, its mitigated in full by cheap ladders. A wall works just fine for all these countries............... Yeah they aren't staffed almost exclusively by their military, just built and left there and nobody crosses......... Just put yourself in a drug smuggler's position. Do you think a metal wall by itself would stop you from going over it? I'd be all about walls if the cost to build them was reasonable, but you get more bang for your buck using methods that aren't easily mitigated with a ladder one could make with old pallets for free. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/23 at 16:47:29 Thanks for making my point. Look at what you did. You came back with Drug Smuggling. How many children and old fat girls have just been excluded from the flood of people? You're the guy who likes percentages,, I said patrol the wall. They use walls in prison. The walls are patrolled. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by pg on 01/24/23 at 17:07:55 7151535B4651340 wrote:
We have 20K Border Patrol agents, 20K ICE agents and 240K Homeland Security agents. Last year we had 2.76M illegals cross the border, I have no problem with the military at our border. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by pg on 01/24/23 at 17:24:56 5676747C6176130 wrote:
I did not say that. That's pretty much all US law. That is not accurate................. I said that is not an accurate statement. I don't believe it is 'pretty much all'. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 19:43:29 We have 20K Border Patrol agents, 20K ICE agents and 240K Homeland Security agents. Last year we had 2.76M illegals cross the border, I have no problem with the military at our border. I don't either. A wall wont stop a guy with a ladder, but if it were staffed then it would allow for a delayed response. But that then again puts us into a situation of antiquating a system that is proven to work with modern methods and technology. Staff people on guard towers with binoculars instead of giving them automated 24/7 sensor tech and drones. They should probably use typewriters to make requests and send them on horseback in mail bags when they need to stop a group of migrants with ladders. "I said that is not an accurate statement. I don't believe it is 'pretty much all." Ahh ok. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 19:54:39 "I said patrol the wall. They use walls in prison. The walls are patrolled." To keep people INSIDE a controlled environment. Military bases stopped building full enclosure walls decades ago since walls don't work as well as modern technology and cost too much to build because they would need to staff, not patrol them. A guy with a ladder would defeat the millions spent to put up the walls. But then again what do those guys know? Obviously people sitting at home on the couch know better. Many modern prisons actually stopped staffing towers and went to vibration sensing fences and thermal sensors. The fences never sleep, take a bathroom break or take bribes. No more ladders, or sheets tied together to scale walls. Those walls also don't cost millions per-mile to erect. A full border wall is not cost effective. Put walls where they help, use modern technology where its most useful. Why this resistance to modern methods? Should they get rid of night vision and install manned spot-lights for 5 times the cost too? Get rid of cell phones and put wired rotary phones every 100 yards? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/23 at 20:56:14 Put walls where they help, use modern technology where its most useful. That sounds reasonable. But while the people running things appear to hate America and want to destroy it, it's Not going to matter. Biden opened the border. Say it is not happening all you want. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/24/23 at 21:20:43 But while the people running things appear to hate America and want to destroy it, it's Not going to matter. Biden opened the border. Say it is not happening all you want. I never said that, I actually agreed with you on that but, as usual, since I think walls are too expensive for what they do on the border it must also mean I think Biden is the best POTUS ever and want open ungoverned borders. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/25/23 at 00:42:54 I woke up this morning with some fresh ideas; If a wall is not possible, let's think about a channel. The advantage is that it is much more difficult to build a tunnel under it. And that people wearing wet clothes are probably from Mexico. I suggest we make a decision before the weekend and find a suitable president to run it all. Let's say that next Wednesday we start with infrastructure for tasty sandwiches and cold beer. (its hot out there) We'll hire Mexican immigrant contractors and say we want them to make a pretty long and horizontal thing, to make the landscape great again. We make sure they all work on the Mexican side so the immigration problem is solved wen there ready. We do not pay until it has become apparent that no one can cross the border anymore. Then we print leaflet on how to solve drug related gang activities. And throw that over the wall. And when they have solved the problem we invite them to teach us how they did it. In short, we will never see them again. We can also try to keep Biden alive so that things get so bad here, that we have to build a wall to keep everyone in. Even the fat people will want to get out, the border will look like wallmart. Fat people will crawl over each other trying to get over the wall. In that respect a channel is better because then we can use fat people as rafts. So what's it going to be guys? Edit: I also have ideas on how to invade mexico. Anyone interested? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by pg on 01/25/23 at 02:49:41 746B6D6A7770417141796B672C1E0 wrote:
Yes, spot on...... If they really want to eradicate this illegal migration it really wouldn't be that difficult. They could also add monetary and criminal penalties for employers and landlords. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/25/23 at 07:03:37 59797B736E791C0 wrote:
Seems to me a Coupla weeks ago you were thinking biden hadn't actually changed the policy that Trump had been working . You can pack the snark away |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Serowbot on 01/25/23 at 08:03:03 Biden's hiding classified documents in Pence's house! |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/25/23 at 10:01:16 We have 20K Border Patrol agents, 20K ICE agents and 240K Homeland Security agents. Last year we had 2.76M illegals cross the border, I have no problem with the military at our border. And that’s why we need a physical barrier. We have the people and technology, but we don’t have the political will. So remove that from the equation. At least make it a little harder than it is now, FFS. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/25/23 at 10:02:29 2533243921343922560 wrote:
If Pence has a young granddaughter living there, good possibility Puddinhead (aka PedoPeter) might show up and try to hide something. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/25/23 at 10:07:57 Seems to me a Coupla weeks ago you were thinking biden hadn't actually changed the policy that Trump had been working . You can pack the snark away That's why I asked instead of repeatedly insisting my opinion is factual without doing any research and refusing to even look at information people present to me. I never said Biden's border policy was good, and thinking walls are costly and inefficient doesn't mean I love Biden and want open borders. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/25/23 at 10:15:21 And that’s why we need a physical barrier. We have the people and technology, but we don’t have the political will. So remove that from the equation. At least make it a little harder than it is now, FFS. Ladders. All you need are a few ladders. Have you seen the walls going up? Getting past them isn't even remotely hard. Spending Billions to put up walls in case some future Administration won't fund border security is tremendously inefficient, because ladders are so simple to get or make. If a wall actually stopped humans from going over it I could agree with your assessment, but walls, especially the ones being built, aren't worth the cost. Maybe if they were significantly cheaper. I'd rather see billions put into lobbying and creating legislation that prohibits the defunding of border security measures much like some of the US military programs are. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/25/23 at 12:42:53 Concertina wire, people shooting at the legs coming over. We Need To Defend the Border. Cost ? If it costs too much to save the country, it's over. We can spend BILLIONS on other peoples borders. But the administration does not WANT to protect our border. Nor are we to be energy independent Or have a market driven economy Just as Falling dead athletes Have ever been so Accidents are screwing up food processing centers The wef and The Great Reset? People, use your eyes. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Eegore on 01/25/23 at 13:51:55 "Concertina wire, people shooting at the legs coming over." So staffed walls, not just walls or patrolled walls. Enough staff to shoot at every square foot of wall 24/7. I do like adding the wire as long as its elevated, and attached to sensors. "Cost ? If it costs too much to save the country, it's over." I agree but why Choose the most cost inefficient methods? Full length walls are like arming soldiers with 22cal rifles at 3x the cost of a .223, why choose a less effective tool at more cost? "We can spend BILLIONS on other peoples borders." Unfortunately this is how foreign policy happens. "Just as Falling dead athletes Have ever been so" I'd like to know if all these athletes are dying why no major sports or college programs report a shortage, not one sports betting business, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, school district, Sporting Supply company, nobody is finding all these dead athletes or noticing a change in their business content. Why are all their families silent? All those organizations and families need to use their eyes I guess. Maybe they need to watch the video that was posted here that showed the kids collapsing - where 7 out of the 9 happened before 2018. I wonder what using your eyes see then, People. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/25/23 at 14:25:58 The word is real but, that what we projekt on it is an illusion. So every time you think about something, you go away from yourself. It's become such a habit that you don't even realize you're doing it anymore. And that's why you don't get the problems solved. Your projections about things cause the problems and with that same instrument you try to solve them. Just look at the state the world is in. That not natrual. There is no political solution. Only awareness awareness can heal this Not the fake woke, awareness but authentic love. We already are it. You just have to go in side and live it. Not from the mi mind or feelings. Live from the hart. The moment you go in, your there. Don't connect with thinking go in to your boddy. The body does not think. After 50 years of thinking, you may not recognize it but it's there, You Are it.... |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Serowbot on 01/25/23 at 14:48:38 If you need to man the wall, 24/7... what's the point of the wall? Most immigrants want to apply for citizenship,... they want to be recognized and registered... most drugs come across at border crossings, not the middle of nowhere. Can't you see how pointless a wall is? It's expensive symbolism... :-? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/26/23 at 01:43:31 What we can do is build a fake wall, then we hire mexican mimes who pretend they can't get through it. Another solution could be: They are now bringing drugs to the addicts, but isn't it easier to take the addicts to the drugs? So we bring the addicts to Mexico, which saves a lot of logistical hassle. No more addicts, no more drug traffic, no need for a wall. The addicts can buy directly from the producer, so they pay less and the producer can charge more because the middlemen are eliminated. And eliminating is something they do all the time anyway, so less murder cases. I know, I'm a genius... :-) If someone wants to run for president and use my ideas. Fine. I have a few business ideas and need your influence and cooperation. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by WebsterMark on 01/26/23 at 05:01:53 5A4C5B465E4B465D290 wrote:
They come across border crossings because the policy right now is to give them a future hearing date and they let them in. No need to walk across the desert EXCEPT for those who are easily identified as having something in their backgrounds. Fox News is the only one reporting on this regularly and they routinely show videos of 500 illegals just lining up to cross a small opening knowing that they’ll be processed and released. Why are we doing this? No one really knows how many illegals we have in this country. Again, why are we doing this? Is it that Democrats want likely future voters and employers at large manufacturing and assembly plants want cheap labor? Is that what’s behind it? |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by zevenenergie on 01/26/23 at 06:07:31 To be serious for a second. Behind this is probbebly the agenda of the WEF and the IMF. They want the population to equalize. They want a word population whitout a national identity. In the Netherlands, immigrants are admitted without restriction while there is a huge need for housing. And by distress I mean that young people are becoming homeless en masse. and that immigrants are given priority on allocation lists. There are no houses. The population is crying out for a different policy, the opposition is crying out for a different policy. But our government is completely inspired (dictated?) by the Agenda of the IMF and the WEF. And I think this is also the case with you. And they want somting like: No one owns property and they want cash gone. and above all they want the people to be poor. You should see what's happening here in the Netherlands. it is really insane and we are powerless. The Netherlands is a country with many farmers. and they have always had a lot of power over politics. Very healthy. Now they are getting their necks broken because of nitrogen agreements in Europe (WEF IMF) We are the richest country in Europe, but people steal wood from the forests because people are cold and cannot pay the bills (we have very little forest) Bread is donated here in my street on Wednesdays by a bread factory. There is a fight over the bread. I have never seen that in my entire life. So much poverty in such a short time is unbelievable. It's not a conspiracy theory anymore it's happening. Our government will spend 41 billion next year on measures to limit the temperature on earth. But our audit office has looked through their plans and there is no clear policy and accountability and all the money comes from the european community, which means that the netherlands has even less segregation over internal affairs. Thats how we pay for the money. Where does this policy come from? The WEF... This is crime on a huge scale. The environment? Come on guys...Its robbery. We give them a lot of power over us, if there is 1 digital currency and the cash is gone. |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by Serowbot on 01/26/23 at 10:01:31 405F4C5F545F545F485D535F3A0 wrote:
perfect............. ;D |
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Title: Re: Throw out the pudding , it’s bad Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/26/23 at 15:34:47 4C5340535853585344515F53360 wrote:
Much too important to allow it to slip away. |
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