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Title: 55 years Post by pg on 12/31/22 at 16:02:47 https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/2022-same-nuts-different-year-55-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions Take a moment to look at the rubbish that was published over the years. It was ice ages in the 70s and sometime in the 80s it turned into global warming. No one of those predictions came true................ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/31/22 at 16:56:20 Being perpetually Wrong hasn't had any affect on the beliefs of lefties. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by buster6315 on 12/31/22 at 20:05:56 Lefties? Commies is what I'd call them. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 12/31/22 at 20:52:18 It's almost as if they only look at information they think is true, instead of looking at it to see if it is actually true. By the way, the link goes nowhere, but the title and source mean its accurate, the content in the article probably means nothing. I doubt they only used information that never came true and left out information that did right? |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/31/22 at 21:49:47 You can put in all the dire warnings that came true. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 12/31/22 at 22:30:42 You can put in all the dire warnings that came true. All 6 of them? |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/31/22 at 23:47:54 Sure,why not? |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by pg on 01/01/23 at 11:29:16 Sure,why not? And I'll put in a general parameter that is consistent with this article. We will use the 55 year window, let's see a few warnings that came true......... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by MnSpring on 01/02/23 at 07:14:54 4464666E7364010 wrote:
Why such a stalwart defending of, ‘people/entrees’, repeating false statements about, ‘Weather, Covid, Wind/Solar, etc’. And condemning information that JOG presents. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Serowbot on 01/02/23 at 09:43:26 Yeah Eegore,.. why defend science over conspiratorial rants? |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by pg on 01/02/23 at 09:56:13 let's see a few warnings that came true......... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by pg on 01/02/23 at 11:20:00 495F48554D58554E3A0 wrote:
http://https://i.ibb.co/7NR8KcH/Theorist.jpg Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/23 at 12:44:55 Educate me.. Show me the warnings, ANY warnings, that have come true. Remember how the global warming was killing the great barrier reef? Well, it's Thriving. Remember how the ice in the Arctic was gonna be gone? And the polar bears go extinct? Plenty of ice. More of them Now.. Remember the Meaner,more frequent Big,City crushing hurricanes? Yeah, Florida made about Ten Years without a noteworthy one. Watching people continue to believe in this Big Society destroying threat after All the years of evidence that the warnings were just Wrong just causes me to wonder why I should listen to a word you people say. Sure makes it clear why every opinion that is necessary for having any kind of linear grasp of reality is based in the the spew of the swamp. Your direction is consistently prostate and diminish the People. And Now you Know, your voices were not Censored. Every person who did not agree was being censored. DON'T TALK LEGALITY. I know and it's NOT material to my point. What Happened was, the left were emboldened and given free rein. Every societally impactful outlet put every lefty agenda on a pedestal, and the lefties put on their rightful cloak of their Moral Superiority. ' |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/02/23 at 15:37:48 "Why such a stalwart defending of, ‘people/entrees’, repeating false statements about, ‘Weather, Covid, Wind/Solar, etc’." I didn't defend anything. I agree with JoG on this issue, but your perpetual desire to argue with me over almost everything prohibits you from accepting this. What I am saying is if it's not ok to use opinion to search exclusively for outcomes you think are true while ignoring the real numbers in the real world around you when it comes to Climate Change, why is it ok to do this exact same thing when it comes to using evidence that obviously cherry picked specific outcomes? I can agree, and also question the source material because I am not personally invested in any conversation here. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/23 at 15:40:37 I read that hoping for the six dire warnings that came true. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/02/23 at 15:52:25 I read that hoping for the six dire warnings that came true. I was saying that of the thousands of predictions, maybe six came true. That's a pretty poor percentage, I wouldn't rely on those predictions since they rarely come true. But then again, a prediction coming true has rarely mattered, just ignore that one and go to another. To really do this we would need to define what You consider to be a "Dire" warning in detail so people aren't bringing up pre-modeled weather pattern charts that did come true just to find out you don't think its a "Dire" warning. Also we need to define what percentage of a prediction must be verified for it to be "True" by your definition since no weather prediction has ever been 100% accurate as they work in ranges not exact temperatures at exact minutes on exact days. For instance I have millions and millions of data points for agriculture land in my area and millions of yield numbers that prove specific planting methods increase yield if a certain weather model is used. We have over a decade of consistent outcomes. But I am told that is not something I can "See" when I was tasked with showing a weather model that I can see working. The logic is I can't prove the weather change was man-made. So since I can't prove weather change is man-made, I can't "see" that all the higher production yields used a climate warming weather model. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/23 at 18:45:27 instance I have millions and millions of data points for agriculture land in my area and millions of yield numbers that prove specific planting methods increase yield if a certain weather model is used. What crops are you planting? How do you get your weather to do what the model says? Seriously,, what are you saying? |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/03/23 at 07:02:39 "What crops are you planting? How do you get your weather to do what the model says?" I don't get the weather to change, farmers use weather models to know what to plant. They plant what grows best in the weather they live in. Some use weather models to predict what the weather will be. I am just using it as an example that no amount of evidence of any kind will be considered proof of something until the person asking for proof defines what it is. I have tons of data showing a global warming weather model works, in a very specific area for a specific type of agriculture, but on here the request was changed from showing something I can "see" to now proving weather is man-made. Again my point is we need to know what you think a "Dire" warning is, and what evidence do you consider to be "True" in order for your question to be answered. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by pg on 01/03/23 at 07:17:46 79595B534E593C0 wrote:
The only thing you left out was what the definition of is is............ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/03/23 at 08:22:45 The only thing you left out was what the definition of is is............ Thats fair. In context to this conversation "is" means the established finished definition of "Dire" in it's relation to the word "warnings" when combined to describe predicted global pattern weather outcomes specific to a timeline of 55 years previous to the date of this posting. Lets not pretend people haven't asked for "proof" only to turn around and say the evidence provided is not "proof" even though they won't even read any of it. My definition of "Dire" warning is different then others. If the only acceptable definition is - The End of All Mankind - then effectively the proof one requests is impossible to provide thus wasting everyone's time. It's like saying prove the ocean levels are rising and when the only evidence you will accept is Florida being completely underwater - but refusing to tell anyone that. I believe the primary reason people won't define their expectations when demanding evidence from others is because they need the wiggle room to get out of having that evidence actually being presented. Defining your expectations puts concrete on those goalposts. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Serowbot on 01/03/23 at 09:35:33 It will only be denied... ::) How Do We Know Climate Change Is Real? https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/?trk=public_post_comment-text There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming at an unprecedented rate. Human activity is the principal cause. http://https://climate.nasa.gov/rails/active_storage/disk/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6IkJBaDdDVG9JYTJWNVNTSWhjWEU1TW05clluUmxlblZ4ZVRCaVozRmpaV0ZxYldvNE4yTjRiZ1k2QmtWVU9oQmthWE53YjNOcGRHbHZia2tpZFdsdWJHbHVaVHNnWm1sc1pXNWhiV1U5SW1Odk1pMW5jbUZ3YUMwd09ETXhNakpmYzJOaGJHVmtYM05qY25WdVkyaGxaQzVxY0djaU95Qm1hV3hsYm1GdFpTbzlWVlJHTFRnbkoyTnZNaTFuY21Gd2FDMHdPRE14TWpKZmMyTmhiR1ZrWDNOamNuVnVZMmhsWkM1cWNHY0dPd1pVT2hGamIyNTBaVzUwWDNSNWNHVkpJZzlwYldGblpTOXFjR1ZuQmpzR1ZEb1JjMlZ5ZG1salpWOXVZVzFsT2dwc2IyTmhiQT09IiwiZXhwIjpudWxsLCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2tleSJ9fQ==--7eefd83baa24ae82a92cba51de4fd51e07541f08/co2-graph-083122_scaled_scrunched.jpg |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/03/23 at 10:32:13 Show me what agency Hasn't been lying to America. Use Your Eyes. Where Are The EVENTS that we have been being told were coming? Mann,of hockey stick fame,destroyed the data that supported his scary future.. But I'm supposed to buy into it. Nobody is saying it's Not getting warmer. Look at the geological history of the world. But because humans started watching it, measuring it, it's supposed to just Stay as it was, but Was WHEN? It's Never done Anything EXCEPT CHANGE. The forces that ended The Last ice age and made survival for everything so much easier? Who Said they STOPPED? Unless they can be identified, how can you say that what caused the planet to Warm,which I would remind you Happened more than a week Before the Industrial Revolution, isn't STILL warming the planet? How long will people continue to impose the guilt and fear On Themselves, believing that it is humanity that is responsible for All the Terrible Things happening? And the Terrible things? Where are they? Children are stressed out! They have been raised by parents and told by the media and pumped full of it in school and they BELIEVE this ridiculous crap. How long will people who have the intellectual capacity to LOOK at the dichotomy of what they see and what they have been told continue to believe it? I'm not interested in a graph. I'm interested in the Dire Warnings, of which exactly NottaFUKKING One has come to pass. Changing Weather patterns and drought are not not new. Flooding is not new. Humans have been given an abnormally gentle period and came to Call it Normal and anything outside of that needs Something to explain it. They, people who want control and taxes,have been working to Convince Us, it's our fault. Well, SHOW ME what is our fault! Point to SOMETHING that is happening that is destructive to the future of mankind. What exactly am I supposed to be worried about? If you're a believer then you Know the Threats.. Or what are we working to Avoid? What events in the Future are we trying to avoid? The loss of ice in the Arctic? It's been gone for Years, right? The extinction of the polar bear? More Now than when That was the Dire event that they were warning us about. Barrier Reef? It's DYING and there is Nothing we can do.. Ooopsies,, Thriving! Growing.. If it isn't defendable with a logical argument... And it's Not tossed aside and no longer believed Isn't That the Definition of Delusion? But what is to be expected of people who support the agenda that has brought once great cities to economic ruin and runaway crime who demand their opinions be treated as Good Ideas and we should let them run America, because it's working out so well. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by pg on 01/03/23 at 12:31:08 Everything goes in cycles. If the people pushing this crap want to make a difference, they can quit using private jets, cut back on AC in AZ.............. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/23 at 10:28:05 4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 wrote:
Yeah, Row,of Course I would deny a graph from an agency that is beholden to the same government that is trying to enact policy to protect us from this pretend problem. I hope you understand that doesn't mean I don't want a conversation with you. I didn't paste a link. I typed it All out. In it you will see opportunities to respond. If you Quote my post, you can insert your cursor, Daayumm,when that was just a Thought, it sounded a lot better.. Anyway, click the end of a line Hit enter a Coupla times, and drop your counter point.. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Serowbot on 01/04/23 at 11:39:30 The problem is,... you say you will reject any official scientific conclusions because they're all liars. That only leaves nutjob theories, or myopic firsthand experience. You or I don't have access to any meaningful evidence. I can open my door and look out. I will tell you the past few summers have been really hot. ..but this is Arizona. We're also getting a lot more rain than we used to. ... but it's meaningless without global data, and that is rejected out of hand by prejudice and distrust. The ground rules make all argument futile. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/04/23 at 11:39:48 "Yeah, Row,of Course I would deny a graph from an agency that is beholden to the same government that is trying to enact policy to protect us from this pretend problem." Unless The Gateway Pundit offers the exact same graph, then you historically do not deny it, and consider it truth. The point here being that acceptable information on a topic is not about what the information says, but where it comes from. This drastically reduces the ability to have a conversation because content of evidence is irrelevant. The source of the information is what is the driving factor, all while saying that the source shouldn't be important if the information is correct. Does that make any sense at all? Saying the source is not important if the information is correct. But also saying I will deny a graph from a specific source. How can you even have a conversation with that approach? |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Serowbot on 01/04/23 at 11:41:55 The rule is... reputable sources are not to be trusted... 8-) |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/04/23 at 11:49:03 More Now than when That was the Dire event that they were warning us about. 1500% increase in athlete deaths? They are DYING and the vaccine is responsible.. in one year 8 million athletes will die from the vaccine. Ooopsies,, Thriving! Growing athletic numbers.. If it isn't defendable with a logical argument... And it's Not tossed aside and no longer believed Isn't That the Definition of Delusion? |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Serowbot on 01/04/23 at 14:48:26 So, there's this guy on Twitter, he cleans pools for living,... but he's real into science and he says climate change is BS... He can tell by pool temperatures. He's got charts n' graphs n' everything I didn't have the heart to tell him they're temperature controlled. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/23 at 16:16:32 Cool! Don't address the logical questions. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/23 at 18:05:06 6A757374696E5F6F5F67757932000 wrote:
So, you great minds have decided that since I posted a link to stuff that didn't pan out,A Conversation with me is unnecessary? Different day,different topic and it's my own typing, but E runs in and stomps on any conversation. Dude, you are better than TT, But just as obvious. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/04/23 at 20:01:58 So, you great minds have decided that since I posted a link to stuff that didn't pan out,A Conversation with me is unnecessary? No. You say that you "deny" information from a specific source, that you will not look at, but also tell us that the source is not important if the information is accurate. You deny information from specific sources while saying sources aren't important. How can you expect a conversation from that? The topic is irrelevant when your standard is to deny information based on source while telling us we shouldn't care where Your source material comes from. If you want a conversation then we should have equal standards. If I shouldn't care what Your source is, then you shouldn't care what mine is. "A link" is far from accurate. Let's say Several links that you repeatedly defend about material you won't even read. You literally posted information I used - that you said was "lies" - to defend your position. The exact same information, number for number, word for word. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/23 at 21:03:07 3A252324393E0F3F0F37252962500 wrote:
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/05/23 at 05:19:17 Fukkin grow up. Yeah that's a logical way to have a "conversation". If you get to deny data presented to you, without even looking at it, shouldn't this be fair and others can just deny, without looking at it, anything you present? I don't understand how this double standard can exist, and you want to know why logical questions aren't answered. Here's why: You will deny the supporting evidence without even looking at it. You also do not define what you will accept as evidence. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by WebsterMark on 01/05/23 at 05:29:06 My questions which has never been satisfactory answered are: 1) 15,000 years on the earth’s geological clock is quite literally a fraction of a second. One of North America’s wonders, The Great Lakes, we’re not even there yet. The land they sit on was still buried under hundreds of feet of ice. Now you want me to accept that, in that fraction of a second, scientists whose livelihood and careers are based upon climate change being the world’s number one concern, have done all the research and now completely understand all the variables that impact climate to the point where we can make recommendations that will “save the world” when a fraction of that fraction of a second ago, some of these same researchers and scientists were concerned with global cooling? And these scientists will demand no debate on their conclusions is allowed. And when questions arise why we’ve not seen the temperature predictions occur, we get The ClimateGate email scandal ( mostly ignored by corporate press which should be your first clue) in which these scientists themselves were confused what was going on but colluded to make sure everyone stuck to the approved talking points to deflect from the flat temperatures of the 90’s. 2) If this is the world’s number one problem and threatens extinction, I asked a question: have any of you noticed anything different in your life that you deal with on a daily basis that you can with 100% certainty blame on man’s contribution to the temperature of the world? Don’t give me a million data points about farmers have adjusted crop planting time and rotation because remember, a fraction of a second ago, that land was probably buried under ice. How can you possibly know those alterations to crop cycles aren’t responding to other stimulus such as pollution, urban heat effect, airborne chemicals deposited in the ground? And to my third point below, were all these changes negative or did they improve crop yield and if so, what’s the problem? The religious climate change zealots made a movie and were bestowed an Academy Award mostly because lies about cute polar bears went unchallenged. The political left ate that $hit up like the growing bear population eats baby seals. 3) one more question. Why is it the effect of a slight temperature change is always portrayed as disastrous? Isn’t it just as likely there are an equal amount of positive outcomes from a slight temperature increase? We just went through a massive cold front here and something like 60 people died. Many of them just froze to death in their cars. Are you telling me if the temperature of Western to New York was equal to the temperature of western Tennessee that there’s nothing possibly good they could come out of that? That’s nonsense. The default position for these scientist is any increase in temperature must have catastrophic, negative consequences. Nothing positive is even allowed to be discussed. Again, that should tell you something. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by MnSpring on 01/05/23 at 07:52:35 Quote:
OK Got it ! |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/05/23 at 08:49:19 If this is the world’s number one problem and threatens extinction, I asked a question: have any of you noticed anything different in your life that you deal with on a daily basis that you can with 100% certainty blame on man’s contribution to the temperature of the world? This is like someone asking you if you can with 100% certainty prove man has not contributed to a temperature change. It's not possible to do either. Nobody can with 100% certainty claim anything about causes of climate change. You originally asked me if I have "seen" anything different where a less than 1% temperature change has has a substantial impact. Yes. Agriculture. Telling me I can't "see" it is nonsense. Telling me I can't prove with 100% certainty that the temperature change is man-made makes sense. Just as you can not tell me with 100% certainty that temperature change in that area is not man made. Nobody has enough data to say. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/05/23 at 09:41:43 The ClimateGate email scandal ( mostly ignored by corporate press which should be your first clue) Aaand the Trumpets blare.. If people are interested in actually thinking for themselves, his post and mine are loaded with questions that, Without Answers, should make people Very skeptical about the agenda. It's just another con job. Expecting the masses to figure it out? No, but after enough pointed Questions, I Expect people who are not retarded to start being sufficiently curious to start wondering if they are being taken for a ride. The ClimateGate email scandal ( mostly ignored by corporate press which should be your first clue) mostly ignored by corporate press which should be your first clue) mostly ignored by corporate press which should be your first clue) When they talked about it it was to diminish its relevance. Those emails NUKED the whole con game, ignored by the members of the Climate Cult believers |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/05/23 at 10:02:41 People should be interested and skeptical especially given the information contained in those emails. However most people will not read the actual emails an instead rely on agenda driven sources to do the work for them. So the truth of those emails will be a mixture of what they actually say, and what the source wants you to believe. If they are source driven and not data driven in their acceptance of "truth" then the content of those emails don't matter. Made made disastrous climate change would be real since the source of the information told them what they already think is true. The fact that none of their town is under the ocean from rising sea levels is not important, because every click of the mouse reveals another online source reinforcing their belief using hockey stick data they will never look at anyway. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/05/23 at 10:20:45 Why would Anyone give credence to Mann's hockey stick? It's completely discredited. Makes as much sense as listening to Erlich. The Never Right Scientific Genius |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/05/23 at 10:27:13 "Why would Anyone give credence to Mann's hockey stick? It's completely discredited. Makes as much sense as listening to Erlich. The Never Right Scientific Genius" Typically because they reference an article that tells them what Mann's information says, or cherry-picks only specific data from it. They don't look at it for themselves, and their town not being under the ocean takes a backseat to the next 10 articles online that also tell them what they already think is true. Mann's information is inaccurate, but maybe its just a coupla outliers when it comes to the overwhelming information out there, that people won't actually read, that shows man made climate change is real. BFD if Mann's information isn't all correct, I can find 100 more articles and Twitter posts that say climate change is real. Most the people I know that think man-made climate change is an absolute, never even looked at the information they gave me to prove their stance. Mann's garbage means nothing because they believe in climate change, and they can just find something else that "proves" it. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by WebsterMark on 01/05/23 at 11:06:23 1535373F2235500 wrote:
Bull$hit. This is an existential threat I’m told. We are going backwards into time and essentially imprisoning 1 billion people into poverty for the rest of their life by forcing them to become energy poor. I should see evidence of climate change, man-made climate change, all around me every day. Otherwise, it’s bull$hit. With regards to agriculture, you have absolutely no idea what percentage, if any, man-made contribution to the temperature or atmospheric conditions those crops experience can be attributed to. None whatsoever. That matters. If your idea is to use that as a basis to make dramatic changes to society, no. That’s not good enough. I’m a data driven person in my work, in my job. I make adjustments based upon the data in front of me whether I like it or not. If I saw data that convinced me, I would switch but I have not. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by Eegore on 01/05/23 at 11:33:55 "With regards to agriculture, you have absolutely no idea what percentage, if any, man-made contribution to the temperature or atmospheric conditions those crops experience can be attributed to. None whatsoever. That matters. If your idea is to use that as a basis to make dramatic changes to society, no. That’s not good enough." I agree. You asked if I could "see" anything different where a less than 1% temperature change has has a substantial impact. Yes I can. You didn't mention "man-made" or caused weather changes until later, and you claimed I could not "see" the changes in agriculture and weather models I presented here. But I can see them. I also do not believe anyone can say man-made impacts have not happened. The bottom line is there isn't enough reliable information to say either is absolutely true. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by pg on 01/06/23 at 17:44:03 786F69656A7A080 wrote:
Did I happen to miss a post that listed all of the warning that came true? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by WebsterMark on 01/07/23 at 04:27:35 I also do not believe anyone can say man-made impacts have not happened. The bottom line is there isn't enough reliable information to say either is absolutely true. Then why are we planning to destroy our economy and enslave 1 billion people into energy poverty? Why are we planning thoughts into young peoples heads not to have children because children destroy mother Earth? Why are we doing all these ridiculous things if we can’t prove that? I’ll tell you why, because it’s a religion. It’s an ideology. It’s a political tool for certain people to achieve power. The semi humorous part about all of this is there are millions who somehow think this is a benefit to them who will be suffering in their older age and will be shocked that they were left behind. |
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Title: Re: 55 years Post by WebsterMark on 01/07/23 at 04:29:39 4C5B5D515E4E3C0 wrote:
Did I happen to miss a post that listed all of the warning that came true? Best regards,[/quote] Didn’t you hear PG? All the polar bears are gone, you can walk across the north pole into Russia now. The great barrier reef is basically a tiny rock in the ocean. Miami is completely gone and Winnipeg Canada is having an explosion of golf course construction because it’s warm enough to play golf in December. You didn’t hear all that? Those were predictions that were made by scientists that we were told we have to believe. So it had to have happened. |
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