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Title: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/06/22 at 19:14:47 Snap the wrinkles outta that cape,E, and get with it https://discernreport.com/how-many-studies-will-it-take-to-convince-your-vaxx-loving-friends-and-family-the-jabs-cause-myocarditis/ Maybe those excess deaths and Died Suddenlies were just gonna happen. Go ahead, tell me I said all the Dropped Deads were jab related.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/06/22 at 19:48:38  So do these count against the comparative volume or does that very sound logic and provable math only apply to oil?    I already agreed with you about elevated cardiac issues, I even posted the age demographics and batch numbers that you won't read.    What I do not agree with is 300,000 dead kids in TX, or the hundreds and hundreds of what you claimed, multiple times, were "D.E.A.D." athletes when they are alive.  Those are hockey stick charts predicting outcomes that never happened.    What does that sound like to you?

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/06/22 at 20:29:17 This post.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/07/22 at 05:26:22  What it sounds like to me is the equivalent of the false global warming charts.  Provide evidence that isn't entirely accurate then only look at the negative without taking into account the comparative volume.  If we look at myocarditis cases they need to be compared against the overall comparative volume of non-event vaccinations.  Myocarditis is an oil spill.  If we can't logically just bring up oil spills and use false global warming charts to justify ending oil, why can we bring up myocarditis, use false data and claim we need to end vaccines?  That doesn't mean we ignore the oils spills and mitigate the cause(s), we certainly solve that problem.  But do we shut down oil because of oil spills?  No.  Because we take into account comparative volume.  Myocarditis is a problem.  That doesn't mean we ignore heart conditions and mitigate cause(s), we certainly solve that problem.  But do we shut down vaccinations because of myocarditis?  No.  Because we take into account comparative volume.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/22 at 07:26:42 I disagree. The value of the jab is not anything that has been quantified. Remember, it was Going to Do All Good Things, but Doesn't. You have no idea the impact the jabs have actually had. But dead people are showing up.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/22 at 07:28:42 Read how it worked out Bill Rice Jr.'s Newsletter Subscribe Sign in This family is fighting back Family is sure Derek McIntosh, 41, died from Pfizer vaccine and they want people to know his story. Bill Rice, Jr. 18 hr ago Derek McIntosh was in excellent health before his vaccine, say family members. According to data on the VAERS website, more than 40,000 people may have died from adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines. Many experts agree that VAERS is capturing only a small percentage of possible vaccine-related deaths. For example, Steve Kirsch believes at least 250,000 Americans have already died from vaccine injuries. One of these possible deaths was that of Derek McIntosh, 41, a native of Monticello, Minnesota who died early in the morning of January 4, 2022 - six days after getting his second Pfizer vaccine. According to his surviving family members, McIntosh would be alive today if he’d not received his Covid vaccine. Family members believe that the shot that caused the death of their loved one was a travesty of justice, a travesty that has only multiplied since his death. Since the death of his son, Derek’s father has spent hours every day perusing Internet sites and sending emails to any journalist who might be interested in telling Derek’s story. Family members and friends have asked him why he does this. “I know 99 percent of people won’t respond, but there’s one guy who will,” says Jeff McIntosh. I’m one of those one guys. I hope I tell the family’s story well. *** Derek McIntosh didn’t want to get vaccinated. However,  as a single father raising a 17-year-old son, he needed a job and an income and his employer (Kurt Manufacturing) had mandated the vaccine for employees. According to Derek’s father Jeff McIntosh, who worked for decades at the same company, Kurt Manufacturing has several contracts with the U.S. government. The federal government mandated that any company that has government contracts must have 100 percent of its employees vaccinated by January 10th, 2022. (Just two weeks after Derek’s vaccination, the Supreme Court ruled this mandate was illegal). Derek could have filed for a religious exemption, but even if it was granted, he would still have had to pay for his own mandatory PCR tests and have to comply with other “penalties” like having to wear a mask every minute at work, according to his father. “He just thought it was going to be a major hassle,” said his father. Plus, he needed the job and the income. As his sister Kirstin McIntosh noted, “the vaccine was not mandated … unless he wanted to keep working.” McIntosh got his first Pfizer shot on December 8th and his second on December 28th, 2021. According to his sister, his first shot made him “feel sick” for a few days. At the time, he complained of a “racing heart.” Although he felt normal in a matter of days, his sister remembers him telling her, “the second shot might kill me.” On the morning of December 28, Derek worked several hours before leaving work to go to a CVS pharmacy inside a Target store to get his second shot. McIntosh almost immediately had adverse reaction According to family members, Derek’s co-workers reported he was “fine” and seemed as normal as ever before leaving work. That changed almost immediately upon him getting his shot. Derek began to experience symptoms and called in sick for the rest of the day. According to his sister and father, Derek became nauseous and quickly developed a fever. Within two or three days, he couldn’t get out of bed, was throwing up and his nose was bleeding. He told his sister in a phone call that he felt like someone with epileptic seizures. He also had strange pains in his feet he’d never experienced before and his bones “felt like pin pricks.” Derek finally called an ambulance around 1 a.m. on Monday, January 4th, 2022. Derek’s son, Calvin, then a high school junior, came home around midnight from his late-night job. Around 1:30 his father woke up his only child and told him he felt as sick as he’d ever felt in his life and that he’d just called an ambulance, which was on the way. His father was having difficulty speaking, but one of the last things he told his son was that he should never get the vaccine. Moments after he told his son an ambulance was on the way, Calvin’s father collapsed in his son’s room. Paramedics arrived at the house shortly after and immediately began to provide his father emergency medical attention. Calvin told every one he saw that his father had recently had his Covid vaccine, a revelation that seemed to resonate with at least some of the first-responders. Derek’s heart stopped several times on the way to the local hospital, which didn’t have a room to treat his father, according to family members. After several hours at the local hospital, Derek was transported via ambulance to the University of Minnesota Hospital in Minneapolis (about a 45-minute drive). As he recounted in another interview, Calvin told one of the first nurses he spoke to that his father had recently had his Pfizer shot. Her facial expression was one of “anger and guilt,” also later described as “alarm.” To Kirstin, this reaction was a “tell” that the nurse “had heard such stories many times by then.” Once at the U of M hospital, the attending physician performed tests that showed his body had blood clots around the heart, lungs and also in his legs. Derek McIntosh was declared dead at 5:57 a.m. His parents arrived at the hospital minutes after their only son passed away. While in shock, Jeff McIntosh did speak to the doctor who had treated his son. According to McIntosh, the doctor told him his son’s body was ravaged with blood clots, which caused his heart attack. Family thought they’d ordered an autopsy The doctor asked Mr. McIntosh if he wanted an autopsy performed. Mr. McIntosh remembers someone giving him “about five pages” of documents, which he signed to, he thought, authorize the autopsy. Like Calvin and Kirstin, he “immediately” thought the vaccine had caused his son’s death. The next day, the family got a phone call from the funeral home director who was handling Derek’s services. The funeral home director had seen an on-line version of the death certificate, which listed the “primary cause of death” as “cardiac arrest caused by blood clots to the heart and lungs.” The “secondary cause of death” was listed as “a severe reaction to the Covid vaccine.” This information was shared over the phone and the funeral home director never printed out a hard copy, something she later told family members she regrets not doing. A couple of days later, the funeral home director notified the family that the medical examiner did NOT sign the death certificate listing the Covid vaccine as a “secondary” cause of death. Also, the autopsy the family thought was going to be performed was never done. Since Derek McIntosh was cremated, no autopsy could later be performed. The family did not receive a death certificate until at least six weeks later. Typically a death certificate is issued within eight days. Such a certificate is needed to deal with myriad estate issues. When the family asked the medial examiner why the delay, they were told that toxicology tests had to be performed and it would take several weeks for these results to be known. When, weeks later, they’d still not received the death certificate, Derek’s mother called the medical examiner, seeking answers. Eventually the family received the signed death certificate, which made no mention of the Covid vaccine. As it turns out, no toxicology report had ever been performed. To this day, the family does not understand why no autopsy was performed and why there was a delay in the issuance of the death certificate if no toxicology tests were ever performed. According to Mr. McIntosh, the report lists natural causes as the reason for his death and mentions the fact Derek suffered from liver issues four years earlier. No cover-up there

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/07/22 at 08:08:02  I think taking into account the drop in medical center usage, primarily in critical care, is an an example of intended impact.  The problem is anti-vax spend very little, or no time looking at those numbers.    Just like pro-electric spends little or no time looking at battery production impacts.  It's easier to point the finger at lying oil execs and oil spills than it is to evaluate long-term battery production.  It's easier to point the finger at lying politicians and myocarditis than it is to evaluate long term critical care terms averaged against highest risk patient volumes.    Dead people are showing up, but those dead people have to be compared against overall volume of vaccinations, or it starts to look like the vaccine only kills people, then these claims of thousands dying per day start to seem realistic, or too easy to believe.  How many humans in Derek McIntosh's demographic were vaccinated and are fine?  Why is that volume comparison not part of the evaluation?

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/22 at 08:48:38 Because it is Not Voluntary

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/07/22 at 10:29:32 "Because it is Not Voluntary"  How is something being voluntary or not a valid argument for leaving out comparative volume?  This is math not ethics.  Its about as voluntary as oil.  Theoretically I could use off-grid power and ride a bicycle, and get an EV car.  But to do any significant actions in my life like fly, use any plastic at all, or be employed etc. then I must contribute to big oil.  If Derek McIntosh's demographic should not be looked at in full, only look at the negative results, why?  Why is it that we leave out the comparative volume which is mandatory to create any reliable percentage?  If you asked a climate change supporter why they do not compare oil volume benefits against the volume of oil spills and they say "Because oil use isn't voluntary" would that change the math you are talking about?

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/22 at 11:16:43 Fair enough. How about we don't Know the Comparative Volume.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/07/22 at 13:38:17 "How about we don't Know the Comparative Volume."  But we do know about how many people have been jabbed and how many have had medically treated heart issues, and how many have died.  Your own sources cite this information in detail.  Even if we didn't know the exact comparative volume that is not a reason to exclude it because the volume is outstandingly high - like Oil - in the Billions.  It's like saying we don't know the exact volume of oil used on the planet.  After all who reports it when they spill a quart of oil on the ground to a central oil efficiency tabulation center?  We can however have a fairly accurate assessment of oil production and distribution.  Just like vaccinations, we can gain a fairly accurate assessment of how many vaccines have been issued and to what demographic as it is very very rare to find an anonymous vaccination method.  Would you accept this as an answer from a climate change pusher?   We can only calculate oil spill damage and not oil advantages because we don't know the comparative volume.    By that logic Oil is 100% deadly because we cant compare oil spills to any other outcome from oil production.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/22 at 15:49:55 Who is providing the statistics? Why would I Trust the people who were selling fear,designing policy to coerce people to take the jabs,to Now release absolutely darning numbers? You can. I do not

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/07/22 at 16:02:51 "Who is providing the statistics?"  In this case You are. Why would I Trust the people who were selling fear,designing policy to coerce people to take the jabs,to Now release absolutely darning numbers?"  Then why use them in Your source material?  You provided the vaccination numbers in your article and associated reference material that it appears you did not read.  Now they aren't real?  Oil companies push agendas to maximize profit so obviously the numbers of oil barrels sold in the world are fabricated.  You might believe billions of barrels of oil have been used but I don't. Is that an acceptable answer to you?  Do you really think there is no way to calculate an estimate of how many males in McIntosh's demographic have been vaccinated?  If not why do you believe Your own source material that analyzes this very statistic?  Lets make this simple - do you think Billions of humans have been vaccinated?

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/22 at 18:28:32 Not All Americans Not A Canadian IDK how Many people in the world are jabbed.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/22 at 18:32:43 Where are the people who are TRYING to expose it getting Their numbers? You want to pretend that since I can't Give An Exact number, that all the Died Suddenlies don't count. If YOU believe the jabs are so benign, and we weren't lied to at every step, good for you. I'm Telling You, I don't believe it. The numbers are not readily available, but observed reality doesn't look like what they told us.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/07/22 at 18:49:19 "Where are the people who are TRYING to expose it getting Their numbers?" According to the information You have posted on this forum even in this exact article - from the same places You said lied.  They used information you said is NOT true - to create a percentage - of humans that  got myocarditis over a specific amount of time.  So if you think its bad data why are you using it as evidence? IDK how Many people in the world are jabbed.  About 2.6 million per-day are vaccinated in some capacity.  About 13 Billion humans are vaccinated.  Unless its all made up of course.  Those humans are like the "MILLIONS" of barrels of oil.  Myocarditis is like the oil spills.  Why should I only look at the oil spills and ignore the volume?  How can one even mathematically make that work?   "You want to pretend that since I can't Give An Exact number, that all the Died Suddenlies don't count."  Nope.  I want to know why you aren't taking into account comparative volume as you expect climate alarmists to do when the exact same math is applied to oil.  Why should I only look at myocarditis results and ignore humans in the same demographic that lived?   "The numbers are not readily available, but observed reality doesn't look like what they told us."  Ok, but I think your observed reality appears to be just looking stuff up on the internet.  I don't think you see hundreds of thousands of suddenly deads in TX every month as your sources say.  I think your data is hockey-sticking you.    There's no way the percentages you typically present are happening.  Let's make this simple again - do you believe Billions of humans have been vaccinated?

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/08/22 at 10:15:34 Let's make this simple Did they try to drive people to take the jabs? Did they coerce them? I believe they inflated the Dead From Covid numbers, to drive fear. I also believe they are doing their best to minimize the amount of information about the damage and death From the jabs. I think that an honest evaluation would cause the jabs to be stopped.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/08/22 at 10:42:51  Got it.  Do you believe Billions of humans have been vaccinated?  If you asked a climate alarmist if he believed billions of barrels of oil were distributed and he responded: "Did Big Oil try to drive people to rely on oil? Did they coerce them? I believe they inflated the "Clean Coal" numbers, to reduce fear. I also believe they are doing their best to minimize the amount of information about Oil Spills and death From the Damages. I think that an honest evaluation would cause Big Oil to be stopped.  Would you think that's an answer to the question asking if they believed billions of barrels of oil have been distributed?

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/08/22 at 10:48:52 Believe what you want.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/08/22 at 10:53:04  Ok but do You believe Billions of humans have been vaccinated?  Or as an alternate, why are you avoiding answering that question?  Its a simple yes or no.  Are all these vaccinations real?

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/08/22 at 11:32:21 IDK how many people are jabbed. Are these jabs real? They are not all the same. Same manufacturer, different lot, variations in the jab. I'm seeing way too many Dropped Deads, the reports from anonymous sources about the miscarriages, Re,Oil,, ridiculous attempt at a comparison.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/08/22 at 11:45:51  Ok is it reasonable to believe that 13 Billion, or lets just say Billions of humans have been vaccinated?  Any type, any method, just vaccinated specifically for Covid of any variant.    I am not aware of any reason to think vaccinations have been fabricated and aren't happening.  I believe personally billions have been issued.  What do you think?

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/08/22 at 17:07:53 https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fdailycaller.com%2F2022%2F12%2F07%2Fcdc-twitter-covid-19-narrative-censorship%2F https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fdailycaller.com%2F2022%2F12%2F07%2Fcdc-twitter-covid-19-narrative-censorship%2F I gotta admit, you're a lot better than TT was at gas lighting and controlling the topics. How many days did it take us to make you cede the obvious point It was the government not Twitter Doing wrong?

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/08/22 at 18:11:04 "How many days did it take us to make you cede the obvious point It was the government not Twitter Doing wrong?"  A few.  Although I still think Webstermark is saying Twitter is a defacto public square and did do wrong.  So do you think Billions of humans could have been vaccinated in multiple forms for multiple variants of Covid?  Or as an alternate, can you offer a reason why you won't answer this question?  I think Billions of humans have been vaccinated, what do you think?

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/08/22 at 18:13:28 Because I'm not going to let you play me.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/08/22 at 18:19:09 "Because I'm not going to let you play me."  Ok simple enough.    Judging by the evidence you have provided over the years I would say You think many humans have been vaccinated.  You certainly believe the US military forced vaccinations upon it's soldiers, so there's a few million there.  You insisted multiple times the young athletes report had only a "coupla outliers" so there's hundreds of thousands there.    Now that you stated in another thread that it makes no sense to only look at negative impacts of a subject.  So now we find you wanting me to look only at myocarditis death rates, but not to acknowledge the humans that did not get myocarditis or die.  Why is that?

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/08/22 at 18:23:25 Because the negative impact has overcome the positive. And it's Not over.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/08/22 at 18:28:07 Because the negative impact has overcome the positive. And it's Not over.  That's still no reason to ignore the comparative volume.  Nobody can mathematically create a percentage on a single value.  If I only look at green shirts I can not have a percentage of green shirts to red shirts.  Your own article uses a comparative volume.  This is math, not ethics.  So are you saying more people have had heart issues, or other ailments, from the vaccine than those that were vaccinated and lived?  If this is true why aren't hundreds of thousands of men in Derek McIntosh's age and health demographic dying?  We should see more dead than alive correct?  You and I should be observing many widows in our towns, multiple obituaries a month - not internet articles but actual families of dead humans around us right?  The problem is if you only look at negative outcomes and literally flat out ignore how many people are vaccinated and alive, then it looks like the vaccine kills everyone.  Just like climate alarmists only looking at oil spill damage and flat out avoiding the question of how many billions of barrels of oil were never spilled.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by MnSpring on 12/09/22 at 05:57:49 7050525A4750350 wrote:  "...  Do you believe Billions of humans have been vaccinated? ..." What is a acceptance % of Humans Dead,  by taking a experimental drug. (c-19/variants) Which is advertised with your tax dollars, to be taken, whether you need it or not ? Which is 'Forced' to be taken. (By MANY methods) Which the process/study/stats/spokespersons of, have been proven to LIE.

Title: Re: Myocarditis and the Jab Post by Eegore on 12/09/22 at 07:14:54 "What is a acceptance % of Humans Dead, by taking a experimental drug. (c-19/variants)"  That's a good question.  There is an industry standard but I'm not going to go into the details because it's fairly convoluted.  I'm not real clear even if the method would apply given the emergency status.  Even if its bogus.  Not acknowledging Billions are vaccinated is however another thing than asking valid questions about the math.

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