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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/22 at 08:34:33

Title: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/22 at 08:34:33

I've known Christians who would get a big vein bulging out on their forehead if you didn't agree that careful analysis of the Bible Proved it was six thousand years. They were adamant that Earth was only six thousand years old. They will either refuse to believe the dating or suffer emotionally..

http://fritz-aviewfromthebeach.blogspot.com/2022/08/footprints-in-sand.html

It's a short article, with pictures..

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by Ruttly on 09/05/22 at 10:00:43

Scientists calculate earth to be 4.6 billion years old , find it hard to believe that humans have only been around for 6 thousand years. They also suspect that the missing link is still with us and possibly living in Texas.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by MMRanch on 09/05/22 at 21:52:52

I wasn't there , but I'm sure it was before 1953 ??? ;)

Look up : "The Gap" theory of creation , Once again , "I wasn't there" so to me its all "THERORY" . Anybody who says they know for sure has their own theory , in my humble opinion .
Including the fellers who dated the foot prints. ::)

https://www.gotquestions.org/gap-theory.html

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/05/22 at 23:07:18

I'm going have to read that tomorrow,, my brain can't understand much of that right now.

I saw the part about Adam, crap, can't remember the part I understood,,
Anyway, I have gap insurance..

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by Ruttly on 09/06/22 at 00:39:39

Yeah foot prints like that in Texas too but scientists said the prints were significantly deeper than those in Utah, like maybe they were heavier.
I think it was their belt buckles ! ::)

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by Ruttly on 09/06/22 at 00:54:05

There is a cave 100 miles away when it was discovered they found several bodies that dated back 12,000 years. A ledge just past the opening then a 150 ft drop right where it gets dark. You can take a spiral staircase or repel in thru original opening. We been here for some time , but we may never know how long.

Ask JOG , I think he was there. Those are his foot prints. The deep ones.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by LANCER on 09/06/22 at 03:50:32

We have been here since God created man.
Other than that, we don’t know.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by verslagen1 on 09/06/22 at 06:59:37

Interesting article on carbon dating.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01499-y#:~:text=The%20basis%20of%20radiocarbon%20dating,ve%20accumulated%20continues%20to%20decay.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/06/22 at 13:19:10

That was interesting, Thanks..

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by MMRanch on 09/06/22 at 19:49:03

Ya'll know before Noah's flood when the earth had a shroud of water protecting it and things lived long , long , long life spans the oxidation occurring in the air had to be WAY DIFFERENT than it is now. So , yea it would be silly to base carbon dating on our current carbon content.
In my humble opinion . :-?

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/06/22 at 22:16:38

That is an excellent point. They are trying to adjust the Science to account for a lot of the variables, but Daayumm,, you sure have a tough one to figure out there.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by MMRanch on 09/07/22 at 09:21:44

It was all before my time , but don't most cultures have story's of a great flood ?

All I know for sure is that : Praying in Jesus's name gets results and my personal life has been a string of Blessings since I gave-in and ask for Yahweh to run my life. More than that is just stuff I've read.

But :

If the Biblical account of the flood is right then the shroud (water) fell that was protecting the earth and people started living shorter life's.

Question , wouldn't the Oxygen level of the air be higher before the shroud fell , and before it did "wouldn't things Oxide faster" , changing the decay rate ?

Just speculating ??? :-?

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by och on 09/07/22 at 11:51:55

I'm pretty sure we live in a simulation, we dont even exist.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/07/22 at 12:52:45

6B796B79746768656E260 wrote:

I'm okay with the mysteries. But every time they figure out how to have a better understanding, I'm excited about the possibility of having a better understanding.
The YouTube videos that show the huge stones that fit so perfectly together and the faces on statues with what looks like perfect symmetry in the faces, and the huge stones in Baalbeck, evidence of precision equipment exists, but none of the equipment.
And, No, bronze chisels could not have been the tools for that kinda work. If we have equipment big enough to have set the three big ones at Baalbeck, I want to see it.

As for the Bible stuff, I'd visit with you for a good long while.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by MMRanch on 09/07/22 at 16:23:54

So is Baalbeck also known as "Stone Hinge" ? Maybe I should just Google it ?
..........................................

Just Googled it ... Its hard for me to believe B.C. Man built that without help.
But
I don't know much about such things. I've read that to make Concrete is not hard to do , but I've never burnt limestone into powder , but I have bought and used Portland cement .

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by ohiomoto on 09/07/22 at 16:58:28

Since you asked, I've been around the forum since 2016 but I've been around earth a little longer.

:)

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/07/22 at 20:48:28

Excellent, good to know. Keep on doing that

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by Eegore on 09/08/22 at 07:13:37

"It was all before my time , but don't most cultures have story's of a great flood ?"

This is typically thought to be true but a few comprehensive studies regarding this shows most religions do not have a "great flood" but instead have references to flooding. Flooding like normal weather not multiple weeks.

When it comes to evaluating the physics of such large religious events I think we just have to accept the event (or not) as a miracle, and as such it defies physics.

It's like trying to calculate the energy principles in a Star Wars film. If physics and chemistry etc. were important and accurate then the "force" power of a Jedi wouldn't even exist. Some things will just defy logic as we know it.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/22 at 07:24:18

I accept the flood story. But, at the same time, I am suspicious of and harbor a bit of resentment for Noah. I just can't make myself stop thinking he ate the darned unicorns.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/22 at 07:35:52

Yeah, E,what Are we sposed to do? Some stuff is beyond comprehension. That line, the What is possible to comprehend, varies with the brain in the person. IDK what to think about someone who says they understand string theory well enough to teach.
Brilliant or cracked?
The fit and finish of the earliest work, the foundation stones, the huge stones at Baalbeck, nobody can explain how it was done
But it's Not something that is treated like it's some biblical type of miracle.
We can See them. Measure them.
There is a black box,of one piece of stone, and the inside shows opposing walls are just so perfectly parallel, the inside corners are not radiused, the walls are so flat that machinest tools used to check them show them to not let light shine under it. I wish I could remember the actual measurements,
Since we can't understand how it was done, even though it's not miraculous, I guess it defies logic?

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by Eegore on 09/08/22 at 08:54:08

"Since we can't understand how it was done, even though it's not miraculous, I guess it defies logic?"

I think we can say we do not know the specific methods used but Baalbek is undeniably real. Since it exists we can reliably say men had the tools and methods, versus an event man could not have achieved, like very specifically controlling weather for many weeks. Calculating the physics of moving limestone that was obviously moved is different than calculating the oxidation levels of a 40 day flood that may or may not have actually happened.

Another thing is I don't buy into the "men could not have achieved this at that time" thing. I've seen stone masons, using no modern tools carve near perfect angled stone. When I was in Italy there were three guys that could carve, paint, whatever perfect circles. We used lasers to measure their work and it was all within the tolerance of modern machinery. These guys used their arms.

So I think a lot of the issue with things like Baalbek is the assumption that man was uncapable. I disagree.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/22 at 09:42:09

I'm sure you are well aware that not all stone is created equal. The bronze chisels and the granite story falls flat. Time required to build a circle might be a bit less than time to hack the guts out of the black box and make the inside angles something that would be difficult today. The big stones at Baalbeck? What method would you suggest was used to move them and line them up?

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by Eegore on 09/08/22 at 11:50:41

What I am meaning to say is I will put my bets on man-made methods over aliens, or deities.

The stone moved by the engineers of Empress Catherine II of Russia (1762-1796) to St. Petersburg (now Leningrad) used as the base for the equestrian statue of Peter the Great was heavier than the Baalbek stones. This was done in the 18th century with no cranes.

The quarry, even though people say otherwise math would disagree, is higher than the resting point of the stones. So they moved these things but didn't have to go uphill. Plus we know Romans could make level roads, so there is a viable possibility that the trip from the quarry to their current position was not bumpy and uphill.

Rollers were used to move the 600 ton stone for the obelisk of Mussolini using man and animal. Using this information and the Thunder Stone math, we can calculate about 150 men could move a trilithon stone using capstans.

When I was there they said they were retaining walls, which I agree with over them being used as landing pads for alien ships. Also there was a gap in one corner that it seems nobody mentions.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/22 at 16:46:56

Also there was a gap in one corner that it seems nobody mentions.

Where?

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by Eegore on 09/09/22 at 06:56:47

I'm waiting for someone who lives near there to get back to me. It's been a while but I do recall the small gap where one stone ends and the corner begins. Surrounding it was stonework/brickwork from Arab construction.

One thing I notice about a lot of these "documentaries" is they tend to embellish the reality of many things they cover. Like saying trilithon is the heaviest stone ever moved without powered machinery when it obviously isn't. Or that the stones have perfect angles when they don't.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by Eegore on 09/09/22 at 07:01:56

Also along the lines of your original post, one of my favorite groups are the "Dinosaurs aren't real" crew.

"Big Paleo" or "Big Archeology" made it up. All those billionaire archeologists keeping us in the dark about the truth. Talked to a handful out in Denver at the Natural Science museum once.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/22 at 08:17:25

I've seen a YouTube video of a guy with a machinist tool working it around, inspecting the surfaces and inside ninety, and the stone is black, not sandstone. No way it was a bronze chisel. There are stones laying outside with slices in them. Now how did someone make a cut in a stone like that? Dammifino.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by Eegore on 09/09/22 at 10:23:31

Why would it have to be a bronze chisel? Are you thinking these were cut before the Romans?

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by verslagen1 on 09/09/22 at 10:52:12

There have been several investigative reports regarding the stone cutting of the Egyptian era.
They used fire to erode the stone and then chiseling it with the bronze tools would be much easier.

I have to wonder how much further this could be controlled to provide the control needed to shape the stones as they were.
Such as, could molten metal be poured where needed to cut the stone as required? then pulled up and recycled for the next cut.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/22 at 14:04:11

436361697463060 wrote:

Why would it have to be a bronze chisel? Are you thinking these were cut before the Romans?

Every time a teacher told us how it was done, it was bronze chisels. They supposedly had not gotten to iron yet.
You ask a good question there. I just accepted what they said on the YouTube videos and the teachers in school all said the stones were cut with bronze chisels. AFAIK nobody has reproduced that.

2700 BC until around 1700 BC
The ancient Egyptians built pyramids from 2700 BC until around 1700 BC. The first pyramid was erected during the Third Dynasty by the Pharaoh Djoser and his architect Imhotep. This step pyramid consisted of six stacked mastabas

Nearly all of the dynamics of the Late Bronze Age came to a halt across the Near East as a result of combination of climatic factors, social unrest, and large-scale migrations and invasions that collectively are known the “Late Bronze Age Collapse.” This collapse, the reasons behind which are still debated, resulted in the sack of burning of cities across the Near East. Most notable perhaps is the “sack of Troy.” Thus, the Iron Age (about 1,200–539 BCE) began with a Dark Age that lasted for 300 years. Overall this period was marked by cultural, political, and economic decline in Egypt (the Third Intermediate Period) and across Mesopotamia. The Iron Age was also marked by the arrival of new people, notably the Sea People or Philistines. The Dark Ages ended with the establishment of the Urartian Empire, as well as the Neo-Hittite, Neo-Elamite, Neo Babylonian, and Neo-Assyrian empires across the region. Iran also saw the rise of the Median Empire, a prelude to the politics of Antiquity.

Best I can tell, the Egyptian stone cutters didn't have iron. Considering the fineness of the work, I don't see how it could have been done, even with iron tools. Some of the stones were limestone,, but certainly not all.

It's less than five minutes,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h6H13Mi6Kds

IDK how many people were involved in building the stonework you referenced or how long it took, and that is something to consider. But regardless of that, just look at how symmetrical this is.
And if statues and the black box don't get ya scratching your head, there are vases of hard, brittle material and the walls are thin. It LOOKS like the only understandable answer is a dang lathe.. So who knows how it was done? Phhht.. I sure don't.
Unless people are personally interested and curious and want to spend time watching the vidyas, Mehh, I'm not gonna spend time trying to get them into it. I've watched a ton of them. There are more questions than answers. I'm not saying aliens or anything. I have no idea. I just enjoy looking at that stuff and since I was unable to sleep because of the screwed up back, I watched vidyas and caught a little nap,woke up and watched some more.

Versy offered a suggestion, maybe pouring molten metal on a stone and that would make it easier to work. I have no idea how possible that would be, did they have a foundry to accommodate such an approach? If you did that, would it help? He's a smart guy, so, unless someone can explain why it wouldn't help or why they couldn't do it, I'll have to call it a possibility.
But that doesn't help me understand how the vases were made.

http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org

If anyone has time and curiosity, I really enjoyed watching this stuff. But if you have a life that takes up your time. Meh, it's probably not something you are goin to do. I've noticed that since the surgery and starting to be more able to DO something today and Not be crippled tomorrow, well, not Crippled does not mean Not sore as hekk. Anyway, I enjoy this stuff, it's not a big deal. I'm not going to solve the problem. It's just kinda fun to watch and be left without a clue.
Hell, the tubular drills, almost forgot about that.. We don't have the drill ,but there are pieces of the stones that were cut out. The stones that have a series of holes punched in them and the cores removed to create a pocket exist. What were they made of?

Look at the spiral of the groove. I've seen a core that was removed by this method and a string wrapped around it in a groove, supposedly made by the tubular drill, and it looks like it was making about an eighth of an inch per revolution. That sounds beyond possible and may be. IDK,,

http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org

Well, Dammitall! I just realized I didn't get all of the address to get to The Page inside globaleducation.

I Gottsta get to the store and do stuff, even though yesterday I was in the shop helping my daughter with her car. I can Still go.. It's been 8 weeks and I'm doing pretty well.
Lower legs tingle and don't feel like they are mine, but,, it's better than before.
If someone digs up any other curious things, that would be great.
I'll give it another shot at that url.

Title: Re: How long have people been around?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/22 at 17:16:17

Ookay, the last few things that I had to do got it. It's ticked off, not mentally in gear, revisit this tomorrow, if it calms down. Gel packs and a heating pad,,,