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Title: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 08/12/22 at 13:20:10 Trump’s Allies Have No Clue How to Respond to Report of Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trumps-allies-have-no-clue-how-to-respond-to-report-of-nuclear-docs-at-mar-a-lago-1396232/ Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah) added that the information may have had something to do with aliens. How far can you stretch?.... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 08/12/22 at 15:06:21 Trump Under Investigation for Violating Espionage Act https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-details-emerge-on-fbi-search-warrant-for-raid-on-donald-trumps-mar-a-lago-home?ref=home "Former President Donald Trump is under investigation for several violations of the Espionage Act and illegally keeping "top secret" government documents when he left the White House last year, according to court documents unsealed Friday afternoon. And the FBI was spurred to move so aggressively and search the former president's Mar-a-Lago oceanside estate in Florida because some of the documents they were seeking pertained to the nation's nuclear weapons, according to The Washington Post. The FBI search warrant lists three federal statutes to justify the search at the Palm Beach mansion: 18 U.S.C. § 793, 2071, and 1519. That means the Justice Department—in a historic move—is investigating the former president for violating the Espionage Act, mishandling federal records, and falsifying official documents to obstruct an investigation. Together, they present the possibility that Trump may face up to a decade in prison—and be barred from ever running for office ever again." |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/12/22 at 17:15:28 You believed he hired hookers to piss on the bed because Obama had slept there. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 08/13/22 at 04:38:44 Sew believes as a high school aged Brett Kavanaugh in a small community of Catholic schools, organized rape parties where the same girls where gang raped multiple times over a summer and no one said anything and no one found out for 30 years until a hyper partisan woman caught in an affair who said she was afraid to fly yet took global vacations testified at a hearing where a crowd rushed in, threatened Senators and committed what were told today is a insurrection because, unlike Jan 6, this crowd actually did change the process by intimidating a Senator to demand yet another FBI investigation which yet again, yielded nothing. The moral of the story is my friend Sew is the most partisan person on this forum and totally incapable of discernment.m |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 08/13/22 at 06:49:47 Yup... :-? FBI says it got more than 4,500 tips on Kavanaugh, providing 'relevant' ones to Trump White House https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fbi-kavanaugh-ford-investigation/index.html The FBI disclosed that it received more than 4,500 tips on a phone line in 2018 as part of a background investigation into then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh and provided "relevant" ones to former President Donald Trump's White House counsel. The lawyers said that the FBI had refused to interview Ford and "failed to act on the 4,500 tips it received about then-nominee Kavanaugh." "Instead it handed the information over to the White House, allowing those who supported Kavanaugh to falsely claim that the FBI found no wrongdoing," they said. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/13/22 at 07:19:01 And the tipsters who were so concerned that many years later didn't CALL THE FUKKIN COPS when it was Happening? When evidence and witnesses could be located? You are telling me that a kid in high school was regularly raping girls at the weekend parties and NOBODY thought to get an adult to bust him? And Ford,FFS, didn't know where she was raped or when, exactly and her BFF said Nope, Wouldn't support Ford's claims. But it was all true, because Kavanaugh is not a lefty. And the Super Secret nuke stuff that Trump had.. Excuse me? How long did he have that? Took them a while to figure it out. What was he gonna do? Launch missiles? You spose the codes change once in a while? But that is not even the best part. He was Known to be in possession of those boxes and they had been seen by the people who were suddenly excited about them. They saw,said okay, said Add a lock. Aaand now what you are watching is a buncha criminals terrified of Trump running again. Not One former president, not even Nixon, got treated anywhere even close to what they are doing to Trump. You wouldn't know how many million pages of records Obama has, do you? |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 08/13/22 at 07:41:03 Blackmailing a country is okay. Siding with Putin over American intelligence is okay. Paying $25 million to scammed Trump U suckers while in office is okay. Million dollar charity scams are okay. Hush money to whores is okay. Molesting women is okay. Inciting an insurrection is okay. Now espionage is okay. Killing someone in broad daylight in Times Square is okay too. ... and I have TDS?... Derangement is in your purview. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 08/13/22 at 08:17:19 Trump had already "declassified" the documents the FBI planted at Mar a Lago. Makes sense to me... :-? |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/13/22 at 08:36:54 Tell ya what, you hold the Bidens accountable for their crimes and you can have Trump if he broke the law. Biden bragged about making them fire the prosecutor by threatening to withhold their money. Trump was asking for an investigation, not the creation of a fake story. You still don't know what Hillary did, do you? You still believe Kavanaugh was running rape parties, Kyle is a murderer, found innocent by a jury who was under pressure by angry lefties to deliver a guilty verdict. It was Clearly self defense.Suggest you reapply the Loctite, you seem to have some screws backing out from the internal pressures and the pre-explosion rumblings in your head. IDK if the blue stuff is even rated for that kinda heat and steam. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 08/13/22 at 11:29:07 Destroying classified documents,.. taking them to Mar a Lago... Nuclear secrets. Trump's closest defenders are Putin, Kim Jong, and the Saudi's. Who would want top secret compromat on French President Macron? Hmmmm, let's think. You don't even pause to wonder do you? I hope he gets away with it, at least for now,... so he can run again. He's a perfect losing candidate. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 08/13/22 at 11:52:57 One third of the Supreme Court was appointed by a man who is being investigated by the FBI for violating the Espionage Act. This is the world we live in. :-? |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/13/22 at 13:08:34 With a puppet installed as pResident, in need of investigation, along with his son. More evidence of wrongdoing exists, is screaming to be acknowledged, against the Biden crime family, with no investigation. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 08/13/22 at 13:56:36 4F594E534B5E53483C0 wrote:
Every time I see Bot's TDS laundry list I think of this, swing and a miss..... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmFfTJlIvhQ[/media] ;D Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 08/13/22 at 14:46:37 You've got your own footballs Hillary, Hillary, Hillary... Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, ... Lock her up, Lock her up, Lock her up, ... E-Mails, E-Mails, E-Mails, ... Biden, Biden, Biden, ... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmFfTJlIvhQ[/media] ;D Best regards |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 08/13/22 at 15:38:02 Hillary testified for 11 hours under oath in public and never plead the fifth once. Trump testified behind closed doors and took the fifth 440 times. "Only guilty people plead the fifth." - I forget who said that.... :-? |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 08/13/22 at 18:12:09 As previously stated. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16xNlqtZg08[/media] For your listening pleasure. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 08/14/22 at 07:26:29 That tune is so timeless. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 08/14/22 at 08:07:58 I’m paraphrasing from a short comment I read elsewhere with an analogy but I’m expanding on it. Trump is The White Whale, Mobey thingy. The corporate media and entertainment culture is Captain Ahab who is blinded by hatred after The White Whale took something from him. In Captain Ahab‘s case, in was his leg. For the corporate media, The White Whale took Hillary. Ahab will stop at nothing and will sink his ship if necessary to finish off The White Whale. Unfortunately, we are all passengers on this ship. Some are foolishly caught up in the moment and share the blinding hatred for The Whale. The rest of us see The Whale for what he is but are stuck on this ship and will sink surrounded by the company of fools. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 08/14/22 at 11:21:14 ...but he's orange So,... Trump is the whale Media is Ahab We are the crew the ship is America and Republican's morality and sanity are are Ahab's leg I get it |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 08/14/22 at 18:09:56 You failed again. Do not pass go. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 08/15/22 at 04:52:24 https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/14/why-merrick-garland-is-losing-the-people/ A lot of great points of which I’m sure no one will read but here’s a great question I had thought of before. Why now? “Yet he did not explain why “nuclear secrets,” long sitting in a locked room at Mar-a-Lago, were suddenly putting the nation in harm’s way in a manner they had not eight or 18 months ago.” |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 01/10/23 at 15:14:25 4D5B4C51495C514A3E0 wrote:
So what is Brandon's excuse for the classified documents at Penn Biden Center. Not looking to good.................... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/10/23 at 16:44:32 Puddinhead doesn’t remember yesterday much less what exactly was in those documents about The Biden Crime Family’s operations in China….. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 01/11/23 at 16:11:32 Uhhh OOHHHhhhh, another cashe of documents is found. I think a special counsel is in order.................... A little hard to sweep this under the rug after a SWAT team is sent to his house.............. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/11/23 at 16:31:11 The primary difference between these two events is that in one event they refused to turn the documents over, and with the other they documents were voluntarily turned over. It's like the difference between refusing to pull over for a traffic stop, or voluntarily pulling over, before they find drugs in the car. Spin the facts as needed, use circular reasoning, and imagine up whatever scenario helps you vilify the "other guy" from there. But try to at least understand the difference between voluntary surrender and refusal. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 01/11/23 at 17:35:11 Well at least you are no longer trying to cloak your partisanship with perceived objectivity. ‘Spin the facts as needed, use circular reasoning, and imagine up whatever scenario helps you’ . So says the person who used an elementary analogy the sentence prior to express his position. There are some very significant differences here. First the Penn Biden Center received $54M in donations from China, of which $23M was autonomous. It is a revolving door for dark money. Second, Trump had the ability to declassify the documents before he left office. Brandon not so much, sorry not going to happen. Last, the documents were turned over to an extremely friendly AG. Henceforth, a special council is very appropriate. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/11/23 at 20:11:29 Well at least you are no longer trying to cloak your partisanship with perceived objectivity. ‘Spin the facts as needed, use circular reasoning, and imagine up whatever scenario helps you’ . So says the person who used an elementary analogy the sentence prior to express his position. Really? You didn't acknowledge, for whatever reason, that my elementary analogy claims both scenarios have drugs in the car. To clarify: Illegal drugs. I also did not address this statement to You, or Serowbot, or any specific member or member's political ideology - for a reason. So my "partisan view" is saying both actions are wrong, just discovered as wrong in two different ways. Do whatever you have to do, just like humans with contradicting political ideology to your own, to vilify the other side, but that won't change that one situation refused to hand over documents, while the other voluntarily did. "First the Penn Biden Center received $54M in donations from China, of which $23M was autonomous. It is a revolving door for dark money. Second, Trump had the ability to declassify the documents before he left office. Brandon not so much, sorry not going to happen. Last, the documents were turned over to an extremely friendly AG. Henceforth, a special council is very appropriate." I agree with your assessment, also I see you state: "documents were turned over" Ok so you acknowledge the documents were turned over, and yes to an extremely friendly AG. Will you acknowledge that in the other situation the documents were not turned over? Or will you just claim I am being intentionally duplicitous instead? |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/12/23 at 05:11:36 Once again, Trump is his own worst enemy. Nothing really compromising was probably in those documents he had but delayed because he was told to return them and he doesn’t like to be told what to do so he resisted. Typically stupid move by Trump. The guy had it all in his hands and his ego threw it away. If there were anything compromising in those documents, it would have come out before the midterms and certainly during the Speaker debate to hamper any Republican seen as pro-Trump. But Biden is a liar, an unbelievable liar, the likes this office hasn’t seen in a long time, maybe ever. It’s not unreasonable to think those documents contain info that would expose his illegal financial ties to China. I guess in his view (who are we kidding, he’s too dumb to think that deep) in the view of his complicit advisers, it was better to hide them than destroy them. Garland will be put in quite a spot now. He’s been quiet lately. I wonder if he realizes how scummy Biden is and what he’s gotten himself into. And I still think the corporate media will abandon Biden in favor of their dream candidate: Kamala Harris. As President, she’ll be almost untouchable. She’ll be like MLK’s history of banging every woman near him. You can’t mention that, you can’t question that. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/12/23 at 05:37:42 "Once again, Trump is his own worst enemy. Nothing really compromising was probably in those documents he had but delayed because he was told to return them and he doesn’t like to be told what to do so he resisted." This is pretty much what I was thinking. It’s not unreasonable to think those documents contain info that would expose his illegal financial ties to China. I guess in his view (who are we kidding, he’s too dumb to think that deep) in the view of his complicit advisers, it was better to hide them than destroy them. That's an interesting assessment. I was wondering why the documents wouldn't just be destroyed and forgotten about. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by MnSpring on 01/12/23 at 06:41:52 5171737B6671140 wrote:
OK, Got it ! |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by MnSpring on 01/12/23 at 06:46:46 "...wondering why the documents wouldn't just be destroyed and forgotten about. ..." Yea, why, when it was Trump, all helll breaks lose. When it is 'Mush For Brains', it is HIDDEN !!!!! Covered up until AFTER the midterms !!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/12/23 at 06:53:39 When it is 'Mush For Brains', it is HIDDEN !!!!! Covered up until AFTER the midterms !!!!!!!! I can't think of any reason for his legal team/aides to do this before the midterms. It's not like they turned them over months ago and nobody said anything until now. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/12/23 at 07:00:35 I don’t know why. I would have. Maybe the fear of punishment for destroying documents is so great they figure it’s better to hide it and hope nobody finds it until they’re long since dead and buried. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/12/23 at 07:06:33 In my field of work classified documents have a master recording of release from the Central Office. What is supposed to happen is any document released/copied etc. is accounted for in permanent record. So in theory the release of these documents to Biden should still exist on record, so they could simply be considering this and deciding if that release record exists they can be called on to return the documents. However I imagine this isn't a foolproof system as I have been handed over personal information on active Agents for training when they should have only an alias, or number for identification. This is supposed to be tightly controlled information, but it was released to me and without official record on accident. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by MnSpring on 01/12/23 at 07:09:37 Quote:
No reason to turn info over, 'Before' ? OK Got it ! You believe info was NOT known before, and that is why nobody said anything ? OK, Got it ! |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/12/23 at 07:31:00 You believe info was NOT known before, and that is why nobody said anything ? Incorrect. I believe what I said. There is no reason for Biden's legal team to turn over documents before the midterms. I do not believe that Biden's legal team turned over documents months ago and nobody else said anything until after the midterms. I believe Biden's legal team would have waited until after the midterms. Ok. Got it? |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/12/23 at 08:40:39 New stash just found. Either Biden is hiding something or quite frankly every president ends up with, whether on purpose or on accident, documents marked classified tucked away somewhere. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 01/12/23 at 09:51:10 Lemme' know when the count hits 12,000 |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/12/23 at 13:43:14 12,000 what? Documents? How many garages and Corvettes does this old man have? |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 01/12/23 at 16:05:46 Really? You didn't acknowledge, for whatever reason, that my elementary analogy claims both scenarios have drugs in the car. To clarify: Illegal drugs. Trump didn't have drugs nor were his documents illegal............... I also did not address this statement to You, or Serowbot, or any specific member or member's political ideology - for a reason. Your choice............... I agree with your assessment, also I see you state: "documents were turned over" Ok so you acknowledge the documents were turned over, and yes to an extremely friendly AG. Will you acknowledge that in the other situation the documents were not turned over? He will summarize it better than me. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WacPc7c37fs[/media] Or will you just claim I am being intentionally duplicitous instead? Yes Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 01/12/23 at 16:09:31 5F484E424D5D2F0 wrote:
Who Is Robert Hur? A Look at the Special Counsel Investigating Biden's Handling of Classified Documents https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/who-is-robert-hur-a-look-at-the-special-counsel-investigating-bidens-handling-of-classified-documents/4044754/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/12/23 at 18:09:04 "Trump didn't have drugs nor were his documents illegal..............." You are mixing the voluntary portion of my assessment with the obstruction charges that I never commented on. Lets change it from "illegal drugs" to "documents that are requested by legal process to be in the custody of NARA". In one situation a Human and that Human's staff was directed to turn over documents. In another situation a Human and that Human's staff turned over documents without being asked. There is a substantial difference in those two situations. That is not a partisan viewpoint it is just a fact. All the other nonsense of people saying Biden is covering up crimes, or Trump was committing obstruction is because they want to vilify the other guy. Imagine up whatever scenario suits you, make Trump a criminal, or Biden, but the primary difference is one human voluntarily handed over documents and another human did not. Why this fact is avoided I don't know. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/12/23 at 19:54:26 A President Can declassify VP,notsomuch Who FOUND these documents? Why were people digging around in old offices and a garage? Why Announce finding documents? Why not get them back where they belong, quietly? |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by zevenenergie on 01/13/23 at 01:50:00 To return to the alians, it has been rumored in the conspiracy community for decades that all nuclear weapons have been rendered harmless by aliens. If so, then I know what's in those top secret documents. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW--rJDqyhs So maybe you don't need to figure out, what factor sunscreen you should buy, in case someone presses the button. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 01/13/23 at 03:42:25 Why this fact is avoided I don't know. You don't want to acknowledge Trump had the ability to declassify the documents and he was not obligated to turn those over the DOJ. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/13/23 at 06:22:19 "You don't want to acknowledge Trump had the ability to declassify the documents and he was not obligated to turn those over the DOJ. " I have acknowledged he has the ability to declassify but it is incorrect to say no legal action can be taken to recover them when an administration doesn't follow 32 CFR - 2001.25. Trump did not do this, but his ego prevented him from accepting this. Cannon, Trump's own attorney wouldn't state to NARA that they were not in possession of actual real classified documents, because they did not follow the proper declassification and removal procedures. Guilty of crime or not, there was a refusal. The difference is that there was an official request, and warrant for these documents. Let's try it this way since I am not making it clear that the criminal elements here are being fabricated because people want to vilify the "other guy" instead of using facts. If I have no illegal items in my car, and I refuse to pull over for a traffic stop - I still refused to pull over. Calling me a drug dealer won't change that. I shouldn't be charged with possession of illegal substances, but people also should not ignore that I refused to pull over or followed the correct procedures. Actually the situation is more like delaying being pulled over, then denying a warrant to search the car exists then claiming I have no illegal substances against my lawyer's advise because nobody checked the whole car. The other situation is more like realizing you have items in a car you shouldn't have, and waiting until you think it will impact you the least to go turn them in just in case some of it is illegal to have. Guilty of crime or not, this is not a refusal. I can detail it further and further, but the bottom line is one human refused to turn over documents, and another did not. This is a significant difference. Making up criminal elements wont change this fact. This is not a partisan issue, this is just a fact. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by MnSpring on 01/13/23 at 08:14:06 I have acknowledged he has the ability to declassify but it is incorrect to say no legal action can be taken to recover them when an administration doesn't follow 32 CFR - 2001.25. Trump did not do this, but his ego prevented him from accepting this. Cannon, Trump's own attorney wouldn't state to NARA that they were not in possession of actual real classified documents, because they did not follow the proper declassification and removal procedures. Guilty of crime or not, there was a refusal. The difference is that there was an official request, and warrant for these documents. Let's try it this way since I am not making it clear that the criminal elements here are being fabricated because people want to vilify the "other guy" instead of using facts. If I have no illegal items in my car, and I refuse to pull over for a traffic stop - I still refused to pull over. Calling me a drug dealer won't change that. I shouldn't be charged with possession of illegal substances, but people also should not ignore that I refused to pull over or followed the correct procedures. Actually the situation is more like delaying being pulled over, then denying a warrant to search the car exists then claiming I have no illegal substances against my lawyer's advise because nobody checked the whole car. The other situation is more like realizing you have items in a car you shouldn't have, and waiting until you think it will impact you the least to go turn them in just in case some of it is illegal to have. Guilty of crime or not, this is not a refusal. I can detail it further and further, but the bottom line is one human refused to turn over documents, and another did not. This is a significant difference. Making up criminal elements wont change this fact. This is not a partisan issue, this is just a fact. [/size] If a Bank Robber used a Red Car, Banning Red cars, will stop Bank Robberies ! Is bad |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/13/23 at 08:26:39 If a Bank Robber used a Red Car, Banning Red cars, will stop Bank Robberies ! Is bad For the specific reason I stated and only that reason with the exemption of all other reasons, but your inability to have an adult conversation prohibits you from acknowledging the difference. In this situation one Human turned over documents voluntarily, in the other one Human did not. No other factors change this. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 01/13/23 at 16:34:30 Trump did do a declassification memo; regardless they won't stop till there is blood on the sword. Meanwhile, doesn't this apply to Brandon - 18 U.S.C. § 2071 18 U.S.C. § 2071, which generally prohibits, among other things, willfully and unlawfully concealing, removing, mutilating, obliterating, or destroying a “record,” “paper,” or “document” that is “filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States.” A violation of the statute is punishable by up to three years’ imprisonment. Separately, if a person “having the custody of any such record,” paper, or document takes one of the aforementioned actions with the requisite willful and unlawful intent, he may be imprisoned for up to three years and “shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.” Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/13/23 at 21:16:39 "Trump did do a declassification memo; regardless they won't stop till there is blood on the sword." He did not complete the process for all the phases of release. His own lawyer acknowledges this which is why he refused, multiple times, to claim it was done in accordance to statute. But I'm sure people that look stuff up online know more than Trump's own staff right? What do those legal experts in possession of the actual documentation know? "Meanwhile, doesn't this apply to Brandon - 18 U.S.C. § 2071" Possibly, I don't know who Brandon is, but it applies to all humans in this position, including Biden who this thread is about. The desire to vilify the "other side" prohibits the basic acknowledgement that in one situation a human turned over documents voluntarily, while another human did not. Nothing about right or wrong changes this - but the desire to make my guy good and the other guy bad makes this fact hard to accept. Even if Trump fully completed the declassification process appropriately, and NARA was wrong, Trump still would not have turned over documents voluntarily when asked in this situation. Why is that so hard to acknowledge? |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/14/23 at 06:02:36 Is this the beginning of the end for Puddinhead? There are times when he can barely stay awake much less form coherent sentences. Assuming The Biden Crime Family secrets stay hidden for another year, it will be Puddinhead against DeSantis with no pandemic to get millions of votes they never otherwise have gotten. It could be a Regan / Mondale wipeout. So….pushing the classified document scandal does two things. It gets Puddinhead out of the picture and clears the way for Harris. And two, since what Trump did is at the very least equal to Biden, (at the very least, and remember, we don’t know exactly what documents Biden was hiding), I think it takes Trump out of the picture for 2024. However, if you want to play 3-D chess, do they really want Trump out? Trump against a Harris completely surrounded by an adoring media and the entertainment culture, stands a good chance against Trump, not so much against DeSantis. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/14/23 at 14:59:10 I think this is as damaging to Biden as it is to Trump. Every new event people said it was the "nail in the coffin" for Trump. I hear the same thing with Biden. Every news story is the end if Biden. It looks to me that age is going to beat him before some documents do. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 01/14/23 at 16:55:56 68484A425F482D0 wrote:
This is Brandon............ [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9UjgITXUJ4[/media] How can you say possibly? Three sets of illegal documents were taken. 18 U.S.C. § 2071, which generally prohibits, among other things, willfully and unlawfully concealing, removing, mutilating, obliterating, or destroying a “record,” “paper,” or “document” that is “filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/14/23 at 17:09:45 How can you say possibly? Three sets of illegal documents were taken. Because I didn't know what human you were referring to. If I ask you if this applies to Jimmy, wouldn't you want to know what Jimmy did before you confirmed a US law applied to him? I can't find any information regarding this Brandon Brown and classified documents. For that matter an extensive search shows very few cases where a Brandon Brown is charged with crime by the US Government and none of them are the guy in the video. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/11-30857/11-30857-2013-11-26.html https://law.justia.com/cases/colorado/supreme-court/2019/18sa237.html https://caselaw.findlaw.com/tx-court-of-appeals/1885821.html https://www.poconorecord.com/story/news/2003/08/19/teen-sentenced-in-2001-child/50985280007/ |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 01/14/23 at 17:22:44 Did you happen to watch that clip of Brandon? He won a Nascar race and while he was being interviewed the crowd was chanting F Joe Biden. The reporter said they are chanting let's go Brandon. Brandon is a euphemism for F Joe Biden. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/14/23 at 18:35:59 I've been thinking E was joking about not Getting the Brandon thing. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/14/23 at 18:41:35 "Did you happen to watch that clip of Brandon? He won a Nascar race and while he was being interviewed the crowd was chanting F Joe Biden. The reporter said they are chanting let's go Brandon. Brandon is a euphemism for F Joe Biden." Ahh ok that's where that came from. I never looked into it. The origins of the chant I should say. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/15/23 at 03:16:12 Two views of Puddinhead. 1) I take classified documents seriously. 2) I take classified documents, seriously. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/15/23 at 06:30:20 "I've been thinking E was joking about not Getting the Brandon thing." I wasn't joking, I had just never looked into where the chant originated from so I never knew the NASCAR driver was involved. My sources are Case law and actual court documents, not opinion pieces so this wouldn't have shown up. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 01/15/23 at 07:22:32 Declassification is a process, not a magic wave of the hand. Documents have to be evaluated and parts are blacked out that might expose info or people to danger. We've all seen the blacked out pages of real declassified documents. tRump didn't do that. So it's not declassified. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/15/23 at 09:15:50 "We've all seen the blacked out pages of real declassified documents. tRump didn't do that. So it's not declassified." Yeah but FOX, Twitter, YouTube, etc. say otherwise. Obviously Trump is right and his entire legal team is wrong on this. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by zevenenergie on 01/15/23 at 11:39:14 I do like that those very saintly and ethically superior Democrats are now confronted with the fact that their leader is no better than Trump. It is also clear that people are now trying to show that Biden is really more ethical than Trump by crappity smacking ants. I eagerly await what is to come. Because I know that Biden is as corrupt as it gets and that Trump doesn't pretend to be more than he is. Let's see what else the truth has in store for us. I invite you Biden fans to take the red pill, you stay in wonderland, and the truth shows you how deep the rabbit hole goes.” http://https://i.imgur.com/qP1V6Xjm.jpg And for the Donnalds sit back and relax. you stay in wonderland, and the truth shows you how deep the rabbit hole goes. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by pg on 01/15/23 at 13:30:40 I'm not so sure............... https://guides.loc.gov/executive-orders/order-proclamation-memorandum Executive Order, Proclamation, or Executive Memorandum? In addition to Executive Orders, presidents may also issue Proclamations and Executive Memoranda. As all three directives are produced by the President, researchers can sometimes have difficulties understanding which type of document they seek. While we do not have an “official” definition for these directives, we can look to their typical characteristics to tell them apart. Executive Orders generally: are "directed to, and govern actions by, Government officials and agencies External"; have the force of law if the topic of the Executive order is "founded on the authority of the President derived from the Constitution or statute"; and are required by law to be published in the Federal Register (1936 to present) and in Title 3 of the Code of Federal Regulations (1938 to present). Proclamations typically: deal with the activities of private individuals; do not have the force and effect of law, unless the President is given the authority over private individuals by the Constitution or a federal statute; and are ceremonial in nature now, but historically did much more “heavy lifting”. Executive Memoranda are very similar to Executive Orders, except: they are not required by law to be printed in the Federal Register; they are not required to cite the President’s legal authority (see 1 C.F.R. § 19.1); and the Office of Management and Budget is not required to issue a “Budgetary Impact Statement” on Executive Memoranda. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/25/2021-01717/declassification-of-certain-materials-related-to-the-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/15/23 at 14:36:23 50k a month for rent is how Puddinhead collected his laundered 10%. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/15/23 at 14:39:49 I read today a few prominent Democrats have come out strongly suggesting Biden jeopardized national security. I think they’ve made the calculation Biden has got to go. And like I said before they get a twofer out of this. They get rid of Biden and they hamper Trump because they’re tossing Biden overboard for what they say Trump did. It’s possible Puddinhead’s expiration date is up. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/15/23 at 14:51:18 I'm not so sure............... Trumps legal team is, but obviously they must not know all the details that people sitting on the couch using the internet do, or they would state all the documents were declassified and labeled appropriately in his defense. Again none of this changes the fact that Trump refused to hand over documents and Biden's legal team voluntarily did. A fact that continues to be ignored. Besides people just make stuff up and pretend it's real, like saying the VP can't declassify documents which is absolutely incorrect. If we really want to break this down for accuracy then we shouldn't even be focusing on the declassification yes/no of each document anyway but instead what the search warrant is actually using for probable cause. Then again we would have to use verifiable facts, not oversimplify things into sound-bites and not use FOX/CNN, or YouTube to explain things for us: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB1081 They actually, and from my experience correctly, utilize mishandling of “national defense information” which can not be absolved by Executive Order alone: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793 It references the records-related obstruction statute 18 U.S.C. § 1519: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1519 which may be mitigated by Executive Order. Then there's "mishandling of public records: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071 None of those specify declassification, so using that as defense against the warrant is pointless to begin with. But if we want to dig into it we can't simply provide a document that shows declassification, something we don't have for Trump or Biden's found documents, but instead evaluate the applications of Executive Order 13526 and how it applies to CFR title 32: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-32/subtitle-B/chapter-XX/part-2001 |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 01/15/23 at 15:23:37 Whatever Biden did,... multiply it by a thousand and where are you? Mar a Lago |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/15/23 at 17:43:02 If we really want to break this down for accuracy We can’t as we don’t have all the facts. We’re filling in the blanks. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/15/23 at 17:48:55 2630273A22373A21550 wrote:
Oh? You know that do you? This smells. Some Dems appear to be throwing Puddinhead under the bus after defending him repeatedly. I’m telling you, this smells. They don’t want him. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/15/23 at 19:50:40 We can’t as we don’t have all the facts. We’re filling in the blanks. I mean specific to the warrant issued for Mar a Lago. We can see that whole document. They didn't issue a warrant completely based off the declassification process so technically the whole "Trump can declassify anything he wants" is not the actual defense needed. Also its not true no matter how many times people say it. Just like its not true that the VP can't declassify documents. He can. I think we can look at the warrant and verify it's content and the laws used to issue it. Either way, none of it changes that Trump refused to hand over documents and Biden volunteered. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/16/23 at 04:29:59 0F2F2D25382F4A0 wrote:
Conveniently after the midterms and then tricked out a here and there later. This will be an interesting week. If you start seeing more news coverage with Harris, good sign something is up with Puddinhead. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Serowbot on 01/16/23 at 07:50:37 Biden had 20 or so documents... 6 in his home. tRump?... Here they are. http://https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/221010111325-trump-documents-shipping-july-2021.jpg http://https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeU0b3kVEAATvHJ?format=jpg |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/16/23 at 07:55:30 It kinda matters what’s on them. If he’s got documents related to his and Hunter’s activities in Ukraine, that’s more than a little significant. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by zevenenergie on 01/16/23 at 10:20:31 7264736E76636E75010 wrote:
You can see from the amount of documents that Trump was a much better Precident. He also worked hard at home for his country. The thing about top secret documents is that you can't reveal what's in them. I think the American people would have been quite shocked if Trump can let us know what it in them. I think it was much more explosive material than some nuclear weapons data.... You can keep complaining about Trump, but the man just makes spicy decisions. Biden is a dummy who lets himself be used. Those documents at his house are just like the slips of the tongue he makes regularly. The whole team shudders when he does that, because they have done things that absolutely cannot bear the light of day. http://https://i.imgur.com/xNGj9IZt.png Just sit back, it will come out. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by Eegore on 01/16/23 at 13:08:27 I think the American people would have been quite shocked if Trump can let us know what it in them. I think it was much more explosive material than some nuclear weapons data.... The thing is if they are not properly Declassified he can't have them after he is no longer POTUS. If they are Declassified we can see what's in them by means of FOIA. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by zevenenergie on 01/16/23 at 14:26:01 I need to read up on the rules, but as I see it Donald made a spicy decision to have those documents at home. I don't think he did that without good reason. I admire his spontaneity and wildness and unpredictability in these things and, of course, I have my reservations about it. But... I don't look at the rules that much. I judge people by their being and face value. If some one crappity smacks up badly, I want to know why he dit it. I want to hear Donnald truth and I don't care about the moral side of it. I want to hear the truth of things. It would be really cool if Biden suddenly gave up and confessed that they stole the elections. And that allot of what Trump did, was in response to that. Because let's face it. That's what going on. You have to have voting integrity, and that is not there now so the democracy is no longer there. Trump wil win this hole thing, for the sole reason that he knows he will win. Not only that. He will go down in history as the best president Amerika has ever had. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by WebsterMark on 01/16/23 at 15:57:08 I respectfully disagree zev. Trump will not be President in 2024. He did quite a bit of good for two years until the Dems and media took their attacks to a whole new level. But Trump was unable to keep his eye on what and who got him elected. Honestly, Trump is the worst winner ever. There was no need to pick the fights he did, but his thin skin and ego couldn’t ignore things. And he said he was going to build a wall and drain the swamp but did neither and we’re suffering because of that now. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/16/23 at 20:03:24 Surround himself with criminals.. Bill Barr? Gaggg.. And others.. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by zevenenergie on 01/17/23 at 04:03:07 I see it too. It is a problem that only Biden can solve. Trump has tried. Now only someone from the opposing side who exposes things, can heal your government. If the problem is denied. then the whole country including government goes into oblivion about what is going on. The problem is voter integrity. there is none. So criminals have free rein. To me as an outsider it is incomprehensible that the Americans are so concerned about the candidates, but are not concerned about the gigantic holes in there electoral system. What happened with the last election is going to ruin your country. And the biden administration bears a huge carmic responsibility. Edit: We had a politician in the Netherlands 20 years ago who was just as untrovercial as Trump. He was blackened by all political parties. This man was killed because people were afraid he would become president. His political party has put Rotterdam, Europe's largest port city with enormous social problems, back on track simply by tackling the problems.He dared to put his finger where it hurt. He was called a racist, but because of him we have a Moroccan mayor in Rotterdam who is the best the Netherlands has ever seen. Even the entire immigrant community has adored him. He was murdered by someone who saw his left-wing political views threatened. What this man showed us was the arogance, the incompetence and the corruption with which the government ruled. I think that's why I defend Trump so fanatically. I see the same quality in him, just in a different form. I have my differences with Trump. like the abortion law. But I look inside of him and I see a good guy. |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by zevenenergie on 01/17/23 at 06:51:19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC5E8ie2pdM |
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Title: Re: Nuclear Docs at Mar-a-Lago Post by MnSpring on 01/17/23 at 10:47:23 Quote:
Can you clarify ? You Dislike or Love Trump ? You Love or Dislike Biden ? |
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