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Message started by Eegore on 05/19/22 at 07:57:49

Title: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Eegore on 05/19/22 at 07:57:49

MRI scans show an increase in heart inflammation because they do a better job than symptom based screening. Using MRI the amount of heart inflammation in Big-10 University Athletics showed a 7x increase in athletes that contracted Covid-19.

All of these were conducted in the Spring/Summer of 2020.

The mean (SD) athlete age was 25 (3) years (range, 19-41 years), and 98.5% were male.

58.3% had prior symptoms reflecting COVID-19 illness, and 1.7% were asymptomatic or paucisymptomatic but had tested positive for the virus; COVID-19 positivity was diagnosed by polymerase chain reaction assay in 587 athletes (74.4%) and antibody testing in 202 athletes (25.6%).

For athletes testing positive for COVID-19 via polymerase chain reaction assay, cardiac screening was performed a mean (SD) of 19 (17) days (range, 3-156 days) after the positive COVID-19 test. No athlete was deemed to have severe COVID-19 viral illness as determined by team physicians. One athlete was hospitalized overnight for observation, but no athlete was admitted to a hospital for cardiopulmonary symptoms.

Using the specified RTP cardiac screening algorithm, 0.8% had an abnormal troponin level (defined as a level greater than the 99th percentile of the reference laboratory value), 10 athletes (1.3%) had ECG abnormalities warranting further cardiac evaluation, and 20 athletes (2.5%) had an echocardiographic finding necessitating additional testing to exclude acute cardiac injury.

This indicates there was an increase in heart inflammation in college athletes partially due to better screening and partially due to other reasons, most likely Covid 19 as the MRI readings alone wouldn't be able to account for such an increase.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by MnSpring on 05/20/22 at 08:44:50

"... For athletes testing positive for COVID-19 ..."

Did this article say,
of those that tested positive for Covid,
how many had a shot, brand, boosters?

In the new diagnosis.
Is their a comparison of,
'X' % had no Covid shot.
'X' % had a Covid shot.

Isn't the the, recommended, 'mandate',
to get a shot,
when one tests positive for Covid ?

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Eegore on 05/20/22 at 09:51:26

"Did this article say,
of those that tested positive for Covid,
how many had a shot, brand, boosters?"

It's a breakdown of thousands of verified medical documents, not an article, and this doesn't apply to this analysis.

I am having this data set run again by a blind third party to re-verify, and also a data set on major Professional Sports in the US on the same issues. So far heart failure, non-congestive, is the primary cause of death.

Here is a simple Google search for "What is the leading cause of death in young athletes?

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+leading+cause+of+death+in+young+athletes%3F&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS870US870&oq=what+is+the+leading+cause+of+death+in+young+athletes%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57.10082j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by MnSpring on 05/20/22 at 13:00:56

634341495443260 wrote:

"... this doesn't apply to this analysis ..."

Then the simple answer
would have been,
NO.

“… and partially due to other reasons…”
According to that analysis,
we will never know,
what the, ‘other reasons, are!

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Eegore on 05/20/22 at 15:48:43

Then the simple answer
would have been,
NO.

True. I could also answer by not answering at all and instead asking another question. Something like this:

Good question !
You want an answer.
I would like an answer to this;

Then ask my own question expecting an answer while refusing to provide one. So it could be less simple.

"According to that analysis,
we will never know,
what the, ‘other reasons, are!"

We know there are heart issues, and we know that there are increased percentage of findings from MRI scans. However that increase in findings doesn't account for the overall amount of cardiac events in young athletes.

The problem is that there a ton of variables when it comes to human cardiac care, and that Covid could have been part of this recent problem since it was the most consistent variable, and vaccines would not be a contributing factor.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by MnSpring on 05/20/22 at 16:48:37

7C5C5E564B5C390 wrote:

"... We know there are heart issues...
... vaccines would not be a contributing factor. "

WOW !

(We are talking about c-19 vaccines,
it is what the whole thread is about,
so no SPIN, saying it is 'another' vaccine)

I do believe their is a WHOLE BUNCH,
of people, organizations, and some manufactures,
that would disagree with that statement.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Eegore on 05/20/22 at 23:07:17

WOW !

(We are talking about c-19 vaccines,
it is what the whole thread is about,
so no SPIN, saying it is 'another' vaccine)

I do believe their is a WHOLE BUNCH,
of people, organizations, and some manufactures,
that would disagree with that statement.

None of this thread is about Covid vaccines except for the parts where you are trying to make it about Covid vaccines. It is about MRI scans being a contributing factor to finding heart complications and how that percentage increase isn't enough to account for the overall numbers in specifically young athletes in Big 10 college sports. Covid vaccines would not be a factor in this assessment.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by MnSpring on 05/21/22 at 08:49:10

0B2B29213C2B4E0 wrote:
“None of this thread is about Covid vaccines …
… Covid vaccines would not be a factor in this assessment.”

Yep, this, particular, thread,
is not about any Covid Vaccine.

To re-cap.
The statement’s have been.

About how a new/better-way/device/method,
is more efficient at finding finding heart complications.

And it is a,”… breakdown of thousands of verified medical documents…”
and it is, “… not an article …”

Also
“…partially due to better screening…”
(MRI’s and such)
“…and partially due to other reasons…”
(which no one knows what they are)

Those are the statement’s.

Interesting that this, “…analysis.…”
comes on the heals of a extensive dialog,
between you and JOG About Covid Vaccines,
being a cause of more heart complications.

Where JOG is saying it is,
and you are saying it is not.
(both using various arguments)

I simply view this as,’ your’, proof.
That Covid vaccines
have nothing to do with
the heart complication increase.

Also interesting,
the, “…analysis.…”,
factors in positive tests for Covid,
but does not factor in the,
Covid Vaccine.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/21/22 at 15:12:05

Covid vaccines would not be a factor in this assessment.

Unless the people who show heart problems were jabbed.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Serowbot on 05/21/22 at 17:33:38

Does the vaccine cause heart issues?... Yes, one in a million.
Does Covid cause heart issues?... Yes, 30%

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by pg on 05/21/22 at 18:52:26

5345524F57424F54200 wrote:

Does the vaccine cause heart issues?... Yes, one in a million.
Does Covid cause heart issues?... Yes, 30%

Does the vaccine meet the traditional definition of a vaccine? No, 0.00%....
Does the vaccine offer any protection after 6 months? No, let's make it compensatory and make everyone get multiple shots?

Also, what happened to my body my choice?

Best regards,

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/21/22 at 20:52:08

2036213C24313C27530 wrote:

Does the vaccine cause heart issues?... Yes, one in a million.
Does Covid cause heart issues?... Yes, 30%

So you've been told. That you buy it,well,, that's on you.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Eegore on 05/21/22 at 21:13:02

"Covid vaccines would not be a factor in this assessment.

Unless the people who show heart problems were jabbed."

Impossible. This is yet another example of wanting the Covid vaccine to be responsible so intensely that facts don't matter.

"Also interesting,
the, “…analysis.…”,
factors in positive tests for Covid,
but does not factor in the,
Covid Vaccine."

Why would it? I made everything very clear in the first post.

Cardiac issues have been the leading cause of death in young athletes for decades. Why should this be ignored when evaluating the current timeline increase? To skew data maybe?

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Serowbot on 05/22/22 at 06:55:50

657274787767150 wrote:

[quote author=5345524F57424F54200 link=1652972270/0#9 date=1653179618]Does the vaccine cause heart issues?... Yes, one in a million.
Does Covid cause heart issues?... Yes, 30%

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by MnSpring on 05/22/22 at 07:52:13

3620372A32272A31450 wrote:

Does the vaccine cause heart issues?... Yes, one in a million.
Does Covid cause heart issues?... Yes, 30%

Who,
Told You
to say that ?

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by MnSpring on 05/22/22 at 08:02:17

3F293E233B2E23384C0 wrote:

Glad to hear you're Pro Choice

Ah Grasshopper !

You are confusing,
KILLING over 600,000 Humans each year,
for simply CONVENIENCE !

With 5 % (+/-) that require a Choice.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Eegore on 05/24/22 at 06:50:09

Ok so 6 reviews, 3 blind, of the numbers show that MRI increased knowledge of heart disease, but does not answer for the overall increase in incidents.

The Big-10 numbers are now cross-referenced with RTP cardiac testing performed between May and October 2020 on professional athletes who had tested positive for COVID-19.

Major League Soccer, National Football League, Major League Baseball, National Hockey League, also the men and women’s National Basketball Association implemented mandatory cardiac screening requirements for all players who had tested positive for COVID-19 prior to resumption of team-organized sports activities.

Troponin testing, electrocardiography, and resting echocardiography were tested, and anyone with abnormal screening test results were referred for cardiac magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and or stress echocardiography.

Again, for what I assume would be obvious reasons, the Covid vaccine does not apply to these outcomes. However a post on Twitter with zero evidence to support it could be considered more "truthful" since actual facts don't seem to matter on this subject.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by MnSpring on 05/24/22 at 07:56:29

6747454D5047220 wrote:

Using MRI the amount of heart inflammation in Big-10 University Athletics showed a 7x increase in athletes that contracted Covid-19.

6D4D4F475A4D280 wrote:

" ...
Major League Soccer, National Football League, Major League Baseball, National Hockey League, also the men and women’s National Basketball Association implemented mandatory cardiac screening requirements for all players who had tested positive for COVID-19 prior to resumption of team-organized sports activities. ..."

"...numbers show that MRI increased knowledge of heart disease, but does not answer for the overall increase in incidents...."

So this, 'not an article', in one place it says a 7 times increase, for those that tested positive.
In another place it says which people had to be tested.

But no mention of a person in the above employ,
if tested positive,
was required to get a vaccine.

Explain why one could not conclude that,
getting the jab,
would not show
'...a 7x increase in athletes...'

Ah, but,
"...vaccines would not be a contributing factor...."

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Eegore on 05/24/22 at 19:46:54

"But no mention of a person in the above employ,
if tested positive,
was required to get a vaccine.

Explain why one could not conclude that,
getting the jab,
would not show
'...a 7x increase in athletes...'
"

I've been very clear about the assessment timelines for a reason. Can you explain how MRI readings on human hearts prior to a vaccine being implemented or released can be caused from or aggravated in any way by that vaccine?

As I said this is nothing more than an example of a desire to blame Covid vaccines being so strong that facts don't matter.

Another example is this:

"Interesting that this, “…analysis.…”
comes on the heals of a extensive dialog,
between you and JOG About Covid Vaccines,
being a cause of more heart complications.

Where JOG is saying it is,
and you are saying it is not.

I never said Covid vaccines do not cause more heart complications - but as proven above, facts don't matter, for instance vaccines can somehow impact hearts without being in the human.

I actually said the exact opposite of that, presented batch numbers, verified cases, a breakdown of percentages and recommended course of correction. What I did say is that the numbers JoG presents as "proof", that he won't read, are astronomically incorrect. By millions.

JoG presents material that indicates over 300,000 kids died in TX in 2021 from vaccine related heart problems - have you observed anything that indicates this to be true?

Thinking 300,000 kids did not die in 2021 in TX alone is not equal to saying no kid ever dies from a vaccine.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/24/22 at 20:00:17

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Eegore on 05/24/22 at 21:00:50

Eegore demands that the idiocy of Knowingly including in
Dead FROM covid
Numbers of people who Weren't Killed BY covid
And pretends that because the liars who use inflated numbers to create fear and herd the ignorant towards getting the jab is just how they do it,we are supposed to accept obvious lies and intentionally failing to provide honest numbers as
Reasonable.

Except the CDC never said to do that. I posted all the language in full and you ignore it. No part of the CDC guidance says to list people who died WITH Covid as dying FROM it no matter how many times you claim otherwise. Provisional coding is not classification of causal death anyway.

You were lied to, but you won't acknowledge that because you want to believe the CDC lied about this. If the CDC posts exactly what they want done, and somebody else lies to you about it, the CDC lied?

Again you go with me saying things I never did. I never said provisional coding was "Reasonable" no matter how many times you claim I did. I never said anything close to that.

This is your response to MRI scans showing heart inflammation before vaccines were ever available? Complaining about a provisional coding system that your own sources said they didn't even use to get the numbers they did?

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Serowbot on 05/25/22 at 08:06:31

If you live in a Trump supporting county anywhere in the nation, you are 2 1/2 times more likely to die from Covid.
Argue against common sense all you want.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by MnSpring on 05/25/22 at 11:18:06

2606040C1106630 wrote:

"... This is your response to MRI scans showing heart inflammation before vaccines were ever available? ... "

And another,
just Awsumn
Spin.

Make it look/sound, 'LIKE'
The, 'not a article',
did not say:

5575777F6275100 wrote:

"... Using MRI the amount of heart inflammation
in Big-10 University Athletics
showed a 7x increase in athletes
that contracted Covid-19.
All of these were conducted in the Spring/Summer of 2020. ..."

Yes Virginia,
MRI's were used for Heart Condition study, before C-19.
Yet those that were done, before, C-19,
Have no relevance to the fact, you listed, in the, 'not a Article'.

" Using MRI the amount of heart inflammation
in Big-10 University Athletics
showed a 7x increase in athletes
that contracted Covid-19 ":

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by MnSpring on 05/25/22 at 11:25:58

7B6D7A677F6A677C080 wrote:

If you live in a Trump supporting county
anywhere in the nation,
you are 2 1/2 times more likely to die from Covid. ..."

Can you show the site/article/study/proof ?

Is that statement just another, 'drive-by' ?

Or did Chicken Noodel News,
(or the like),
TELL YOU to say that ?

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Eegore on 05/25/22 at 14:28:14

"And another,
just Awsumn
Spin"

Spin or how Time as we know it works? I clearly stated, twice, when these scans took place and you still wanted to try to blame the vaccine.
'

"Yes Virginia,
MRI's were used for Heart Condition study, before C-19.
Yet those that were done, before, C-19,
Have no relevance to the fact, you listed, in the, 'not a Article'."

The relevance is there is ample evidence that heart disease is the number one killer of young athletes. This has been known for over 30 years but is conveniently ignored in arguments about vaccine deaths.

MRI scans have shown a higher percentage of heart disease in athletes with Covid 19.

You want to say the vaccine should be calculated in when it wasn't even available. Why would anyone do that?

The real issue is if the vaccine is aggravating a heart condition that is more-present due to Covid 19. If people would pay attention and stop letting their emotions distort time and space, we could actually discuss a real issue using actual data. Data, to me, is not an article.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Eegore on 06/22/22 at 08:47:20

This data, not article, but actual numerical data has been assessed by 6 additional organizations. 2 had the full number sets with all information.

2 had all number sets and zero additional information regarding what the numbers represented.

2 then were independently chosen and had the unidentified data sets evaluated. This means the 2 evaluation teams with only numbers and no information about what those number represent then chose their own evaluators to double-check the math independently. This makes the assessments double-blind.

There was one variance on one data set from one college in the month of July. This alters the heart condition percentage by 1 ten thousands of one percent towards more healthy athletes.

At this time I consider after 9 independent assessments that the consensus of over 30 years of medical documentation is correct and heart conditions were the leading cause of death among young athletes.

Given these numbers come prior to Covid 19 vaccines being made, or in 67.878% of the cases used here - Before Covid-19 was discovered - it should be safe to say, even though some on here will disagree for some reason, that the vaccines did not influence these cardiac issues.

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/22/22 at 10:23:23

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Serowbot on 06/22/22 at 10:53:34

Where is that sign?

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by Eegore on 06/22/22 at 11:23:31

Whatever the reason, I'm not remembering the reports of sudden death in healthy athletes in years gone by. The frequency is, IMO, increased. It's a regular thing now. Not saying it just didn't ever happen before, but, Daaayum,, it's happening a lot now.

300,000 kids in TX alone would be a lot except it's a lie.

It's not happening a lot now, your sources are conveniently leaving out prior numbers and cherry-picking ages (leaving out everyone over 25, so now 23 is the "average age") or flat out lying - like all the Soccer players that were either alive, made up, or ages 72 - 18. I mean the desire to blame the vaccine is now superseding time and space as we know it and the vaccine killed kids before it was even invented?

Here's an idea, maybe the lies are about how many kids are dying. How can so many die and yet no changes in the rates of child obituaries, medical care, social media posts, school attendance, census rates happen? How are these kids dying from vaccine related heart attacks, but not leaving any evidence of it behind?

Where are all these dead kids?

Title: Re: MRI scans find more cardiac problems
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/22/22 at 12:10:58

2C3A2D30283D302B5F0 wrote:

Where is that sign?

It was on the side of a city bus,I didn't make note of the website and I didn't notice a location.