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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/22 at 20:43:39

Title: Margaret!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/22 at 20:43:39

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/planned-parenthood-margaret-sangers-eugenicist

Poor lefties,, facts matter Not,,

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by MnSpring on 05/07/22 at 07:52:48

That just can not be true.

Because ONLY, a Conservative, is Racist.

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/07/22 at 09:05:55

I didn't know Why it wasn't true, but I remembered it was wrong the last time I brought it before The Council.
It just Isn't TRUE that she was a racist and eugenicist who called black people Weeds..
What a brilliant move, tell them you want to help them..
Johnson sure screwed them.

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by Eegore on 05/07/22 at 21:15:27

She didn't call Black people weeds, we discussed this on here.

This doesn't mean she wasn't pro-Eugenics.

I for one could care less. Saying Planned Parenthood has a bad history because the founder said bad things is like saying the US is bad because the Founding Fathers said bad things.

Who cares what dead people used to say?

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by Matchless G11 on 05/08/22 at 15:59:39

Who cares what dead people used to say?[/quote]

If we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it.

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by MnSpring on 05/08/22 at 15:59:45

5E7E7C74697E1B0 wrote:

" ... Who cares what dead people used to say?

So these people are Dead,
Marx, Lenin, Stallin, Mao, Ho Chi Ming, Kim II-sung, Castro, Pol Pot, Hitler, Hussein, Franco, Mussolini, Noriega, Gaddafi, Idi Amin, and on and On and ON !

Therefore there is no reason to know, learn, study, their ways.
So the Freedom Loving Citizens can know, and learn how to combat the Socialists/Communists/UL FDS, of today.

OK, Got it !

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by Eegore on 05/09/22 at 18:49:49

It is true we need to have a historical record. An accurate one would be nice, such as this "calling black people weeds" which has already been established to be false.

There is a difference between utilizing a historical record as evidence and education versus using it to claim anyone related to that historical person is equal to that person.

If the CEO of a company in the 30's was racist and pro-slavery it doesn't mean all actions from that company today is based off race. I could care less if Henry Ford was racist (IF, is hypothetical and not meant to convey Henry Ford or any other known person in any place or period of time IS racist) as long as the current Company is following US law.

So I agree we need to utilize historical record, but the words of the dead reduce in relevance over time, and even more so if people aren't extending those values forward.

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/09/22 at 19:50:35

YOU say..
You, arbiter of Truth!
She

Hated
Black
People

Ohh! Lookie!
Anyone else notice where the Services are?

Lie to yourself
Fine
Stop selling me Your bullshit

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by Eegore on 05/09/22 at 20:05:44

"YOU say..
You, arbiter of Truth!
She"

I'm not lying about anything to anyone, if I am lying about this then why didn't you say that the first time we had this conversation?

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1592484486/5#5

I don't care if she hated black people. Saying she called them weeds is categorically wrong and I don't accept lies as evidence to prove a point. If people want to gripe about Sanger have at it, but why lie?

And as usual you act like I said anything at all about Planned Parenthood. I said I don't really care what Sanger said, and claiming she called black people weeds is incorrect.

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by MnSpring on 05/10/22 at 10:23:31

1A3A38302D3A5F0 wrote:

“… I don't care if she hated black people….”
“… If people want to gripe about Sanger have at it, but why lie? …”
“… I don't really care what Sanger said …”

Wonderful !
Perhaps you could tell the, ‘mild’,
and more left leaning people
that do/have frequented this Forum.
That telling LIES about a person,
(Especially a past POTUS)
Would be a bad thing to do !

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by Eegore on 05/10/22 at 10:36:26

"Wonderful !
Perhaps you could tell the, ‘mild’,
and more left leaning people
that do/have frequented this Forum.
That telling LIES about a person,
(Especially a past POTUS)
Would be a bad thing to do !"

I already did.

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by MnSpring on 05/10/22 at 13:18:15

4C6C6E667B6C090 wrote:

"... the words of the dead
reduce in relevance over time,
and even more so
if people aren't extending those values forward..."

Yet, in Town, Twp, County, State, Fed,
many representatives,
are doing just that.

Many Talking Heads,
on airwave ‘broadcast’ TV/Radio,
and paid, (internet), programs,
are doing just that.

Many ‘news-paper’ editors,
are doing just that.

Many ’teachers’, in grade/high/collage schools,
are doing just that.

Many ‘people’ on social media platforms,
(And the Owners of such)
are doing just that.

Even people on motorcycle forums,
are doing just that.

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by MnSpring on 05/10/22 at 13:22:44

0D2D2F273A2D480 wrote:

"... I already did.

Musta have missed it.

Title: Re: Margaret!!
Post by Eegore on 05/10/22 at 13:26:36

"Musta have missed it."

I have not once indicated that information used to support a viewpoint should be intentionally misleading. I have always said "both sides" are capable of presenting truthful and misleading information and as such should be approached with equal levels of scrutiny.

To be specific the words "both" and "sides" is meant to convey Humans with opposing or varying viewpoints from another Human or Humans, regarding any subject or series of subjects, ideas, or opinions.