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Message started by eau de sauvage on 07/20/21 at 16:35:59

Title: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thole
Post by eau de sauvage on 07/20/21 at 16:35:59

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by Eegore on 07/20/21 at 19:44:39

Do you have a reference?

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by WebsterMark on 07/21/21 at 05:27:27

Our Australian drive-by shooter is probably reposting a joke by Tom Brady when the Patriots visited The White House and he made a joke that made Grandpa Joe chuckle.

Here’s my guess as a frontline soldier and not repeating a joke from 10,000 miles away, that’s more realistic.

I would guess 40% of all actual register and engaged voters would say out loud they do not believe the 2020 election was anywhere close to being “the most secure election in history….”

I would estimate 60% known that’s true, but not all would say it.

Actual registered and engaged voters doesn’t include those who checked a single box on a ballot mailed or handed to them and who could not tell you anything about the candidates other than “Orangeman bad”.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by Eegore on 07/21/21 at 07:56:05

Voters who only know "Orangeman good" should also be in the non-engaged voters grouping.

I would agree with both of you that a number of people that claim they think politics is this, or politics is that, really just want it to be this or that way, but are aware of the inaccuracies.

I had an old roommate that was anti-taxation. He went through tons of loopholes, seminars, etc. etc. to get out of paying taxes. At the time he was pulling in about 3 million a year from his business, so no taxes would be a significant amount.

The issue was he knew he was just playing games. Trying to re-interpret laws, create loopholes etc. For instance he got honorary membership, by paying, into Native American tribes in an attempt to change his race legally. He would go on about how taxation and credit are illegal by selecting small sections of court cases, but all the while he was fully aware that those sentences didn't apply to his situation.

His desire to be correct eventually overcame his ability to understand logic and it led him to prison.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by WebsterMark on 07/21/21 at 08:28:46

No one who used either blatantly illegal or even questionable legal actions will ever go to jail for putting Grandpa Joe in office.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by zevenenergie on 07/21/21 at 09:31:39

40% of US citizens believe that their elections were not only fraudulent, but that the election was stolen in the same way that Russia or Iran will never hold free and fair elections.

If these 40% really believe this then they must also believe their country is as corrupt as Russia.

I think for the truth finding you have to be very accurate at what you say. If you say that the usa is a shithole then there would literally be shi t on america and it would be a hole.

I don't doubt that the US government has a lot of corruption.
And I think there are many people who don't doubt it either.
Look at Biden's slips of the tongue, that speaks volumes.

I find it believable that only 40% of Americans see it.
In Russia the situation is better, there they are open about influencing the elections by arresting opponents.

Here it is much less transparent.

And people think they live in a democracy. That's an illusion / veil, that makes them deny reality.

Voters integrity, is very important.
I don't know how much % is a normal deviation from 100% honest.
But not only are there many, many indications that things have gone quite wrong....
there is proof.
And, a lot of evidence has been deleted and that has been proven also.

You can say that you are happy Biden is precident and that your fine whit that. Shure, I bet you are.
But then you know, that your government and you is corrupt. It suits you (this time).

What you underestimate...
is that you've reinforced corruption big time, both outside you and inside you.
Coruption happens quickly. If you are just a little too loyal to someone. Bang, There you go.

This time it isn't as harmless with few consequences as previous times.
There is so much evil going on right now, that any kind of sincerity is worth its weight in gold.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by buster6315 on 08/04/21 at 09:49:33

Sleepy Joe is an embarrassment! America's going to 'pot.' Green New Deal? More Bondage. The commies are advancing.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by Serowbot on 08/04/21 at 11:32:26

That's down from 60% thinking it's a sh!thole last year... ;D

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/09/21 at 02:10:59

2505070F1205600 wrote:

Do you have a reference?

It may be a 'misleading' number, however it's still a significant number even if reinterpreted.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/06/ted-cruz/ted-cruzs-misleading-statement-people-who-believe-/

And the point I am making is that even if it's less than that, it is still indeed a significant proportion of people in what purports to be a democratic model.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by WebsterMark on 08/09/21 at 05:15:53

St Louis, Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland, Philly and most major inner cities are $hitholes.! One important feature is common with all. Take a guess.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by MnSpring on 08/09/21 at 07:49:38

So someone can accuse someone else,
of grabbing a boob.
(or rape parities)
With absolutely NO PROOF,
and all hell breaks out.

Yet another person,
can put together ALL the discrepancies/anomalies,
the % of votes in a district, that suddenly changed,
the wild swings in area trends that occurred in voting.
And it is absolutely, NOTHING !

Rather like a person breaking down a door of a home,
steeling a stack of 100.00 bills,
and nothing is done, because,
(even though the person was clearly seen/identified)
the thief said they did not do it.

Yet, a 'red' law,
where anyone, for any reason can say;
someone should not have a certain thing.
is a good law.
And everyone should have one.

Ya know, sounds a lot like,
'Right or Wrong'
is determined if one is a Socialist, of a Communist Country.
Or a a Citizen, of a Democratic Republic of a Free Nation.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by Eegore on 08/09/21 at 09:08:26

Yet, a 'red' law,
where anyone, for any reason can say;
someone should not have a certain thing.
is a good law.
And everyone should have one.

That's not how Red laws work. I can't say you should not have a gun because your mailbox is painted the wrong color.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by MnSpring on 08/09/21 at 15:19:00

Quote:

19393B332E395C0 wrote:

" ... I can't say you should not have a gun because your mailbox is painted the wrong color.

LOLOLOL
Most certainly can !
AND YOU FULL WELL KNOW THAT !

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by Eegore on 08/09/21 at 15:53:58

LOLOLOL
Most certainly can !
AND YOU FULL WELL KNOW THAT !

I could say it, but no action can be taken. There are specific guidelines required for Red law actions to take effect. There is no open-ended law stating any US citizen can report anyone for any reason at all and I think you know that.

Obviously reading actual law isn't part of this equation.

This is nothing more than over-exaggerating a real problem so it sounds worse than it is.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by Serowbot on 08/10/21 at 09:22:52

The thing with MAGA snowflakes is they don't know they're snowflakes.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by MnSpring on 08/10/21 at 09:32:12

Quote:

537371796473160 wrote:

" ... There are specific guidelines required for Red law actions to take effect. ... "

That is totally WRONG !

Awesome Spin, Again !
Eegore implies;
‘Red-Laws’, cannot contain STUPID stuff,
And they are not another slide down the slippery sloap.

Yes, a control of some sort needs to be enforced.
Hear that, ENFORCED !
Not another new law, that is different in 13 States that have passed one,
which is designed to Confiscate,
based on one persons opinion.
NOT, the ACTIONS of a Person !

Golly Gee Wally, WHY don’t we ENFORCE the laws already on the books ?
“…The report shows that, between 2008 and 2015, the FBI denied 556,496 gun purchases following background checks…”
“… amounting to a 0.04 percent prosecution rate. …”
”…U.S. Attorneys’ Office policy not to prosecute people for lying on background check forms while attempting to illegally acquire a firearm …”
“ … Individuals who are prohibited from purchasing firearms for any reason (mental health, criminal convictions, etc.) are rarely investigated or prosecuted when they do try to buy a weapon, a federal study has determined … “
“… the crooks, the wife beaters and the homicidal maniacs who lie to get a gun have little reason to worry that Uncle Sam will get them for faking on Form 4473. It lists nine questions designed to cull those who should not be strapped. The questions include: “Have you ever been convicted in any court of a felony,” “Are you a fugitive from justice,” and “Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective… “

Red Laws NOW on the Books !

“In 2018, more than 1,700 orders allowing guns to be seized … The figure could be higher, since California was not included in the data”
“Maryland, … courts issued 302 extreme risk protective orders in the first three months”
“Indiana, only law enforcement – not a family member or spouse – can petition the state to confiscate weapons”
“Police can also seize firearms on the spot”
“In Oregon, any person living in the household of a person they are concerned about can request an order.”
“Maryland considers a physician, mental health provider or even someone dating the gun owner to be valid petitioners.”
“In making a decision, a judge may weigh such evidence as a history of suicidal threats or attempts, threats of violence, instances of domestic abuse or cruelty to animals.”
“they allow a judge – at the request of law enforcement officers or, in some states, a relative”
“In 2018, more than 1,700 orders allowing guns to be seized “
“Other states permit a family member or relative to intervene. “

And on and on and on and on.

Describe:
Cache of weapons:
Cache of ammunition:
Bad Guns, (which are allowed under the latest GCA):
Correct Use:
Correct Storage:
Correct Person:

What % of bad decisions/opinions can,
Judges:
Police:
(physician) Doctor:
(mental health) Doctor:
Teacher:
Elected person:
Spouse:
Relative:
Person living in house:
Boy/Girl friend:
Make ?

A description of, ‘red-law’.
‘…“A person is going to lose their rights based on a third-party allegation. They’ve never been convicted of a crime. They’ve never been adjudicated mentally ill. That’s not how our system of justice should work.”…’
“…these bills have been very popular and adopted at record speeds…”

Yet, if someone breaks into a house, the person in the house watches them Steal a stack of 100.00 bills, that person can/has identified the thief, nothing can be done, because the person seeing the theft, stating what HAS happened, means Nothing.

Is one is living in a;
Free Nation.
Or a Socialist (control everything) country.
Or is it, once the US was a Free Nation,
and is now turning into a Communist country,
simply because the crying in the street, by the UL, FDS, DFI, Socialists.
And SHEPOL, follow the Propaganda Piper.

A very descriptive qoute from someone else;
“Red-flag laws risk setting a dangerous precedent. If the government can take your guns based on a prediction today, what will stop it from taking your liberty based on a prediction tomorrow? “

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by Eegore on 08/10/21 at 11:42:35

Awesome Spin, Again !
Eegore implies;
‘Red-Laws’, cannot contain STUPID stuff,
And they are not another slide down the slippery sloap.

Incorrect. If you stop trying to see what is implied and just see what it typed you might save yourself some time. I never said Red Laws can not contain stupid stuff, I said your assessment that one can be enforced for "any reason" is wrong.

If I drive by your house and see a crack in your windshield I can not file an enforceable Red Law report and have your guns taken away.

By falsely claiming that for "any reason" your guns can be taken away you reduce the value of legitimate Red Law arguments. Why exaggerate when you can use facts? Frivolous and retaliatory tactics are a concern, but those concerns are easily mixed in with the absurd claims that people can file enforceable Red Law reports for any reason at all.

"Yet, if someone breaks into a house, the person in the house watches them Steal a stack of 100.00 bills, that person can/has identified the thief, nothing can be done, because the person seeing the theft, stating what HAS happened, means Nothing."

Incorrect. By your own assessment the police can attempt to identify a subject. Saying "nothing can be done" refutes your own assessment that the police can indeed go try to find a thief. I agree with that assessment, however I do not think that a sworn affidavit is enough evidence - and only the word evidence with the exclusion of all other words- evidence to convict.

Title: Re: 40% of American's believe the USA is a sh!thol
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/24/21 at 17:48:39

Lindsay Graham says that if *any* americans or afghanis who helped americans are not removed from Afghanistan then Biden should be impeached.

That Graham can say this sort of proves the point.