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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$$$$$ /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1626105216 Message started by Oldfeller--FSO on 07/12/21 at 08:53:36 |
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Title: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$$$$$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 07/12/21 at 08:53:36 This is a survey where you write a simple quick post. All of you have been Windows Jerked before, it involves MS forcing you to buy a new machine yet again. This time MS is claiming "security" is the reason, something that makes me chuckle to hear it coming from their MS lips ....... Some of you went Linux last go round, this time around some of you are going Chromebook as your choice of fix (yes MM, I am talking about you). WHAT THE GROUP NEEDS FROM YOU IS THE BACKGROUND FOUNDATION FOR YOUR CHOICE AND YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE FEED BACK. We all have choices to make and I am suggesting that making the same PC/Windows 11 choice yet again is going to be counterproductive to your wallet. Many of us are retired now and do not NEED a Windows computer running Win 11 just to light the same old browser. Many of us just use a PC to just run a browser and do some occasional Facebook / Twitter and we only ever do some fairly simple shite with our expensive computer ...... all of which you can do off a Chrome Ready conversion of your old Windows hardware. Ditto for Linux Mint, your old hardware is still plenty good enough using Linux drivers and is plenty fast enough to do the jobs you need done. Being coerced into buying a brand new full power PC machine to do this simple type of stuff is just a big waste of money. MM uses a Chromebook, how is that going for you MM ???? For my main box I use an old Dell box running Linux Mint Mate, and by my bed I keep a 8" Fire tablet that is Chrome enabled. Mostly, I read books off of it, but when the interest strikes I can do a Chrome search or buy something off Amazon with it just dandy. What ya got and how is it doing for you ??? |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by bobert_FSO on 07/12/21 at 09:29:37 Well, I like linux. It is my wife's and my sit-in-front-of-the-TV daily drivers. I usually run Ubuntu or Linux Mint, mostly on older machines, including a few rescue laptops. I've also been playing around with Pop OS and a little bit with Manjaro. I usually stick with Debian/Ubuntu-based distrubutions because they seem to be the most compatible with hardware. Also, pre-compiled software packages almost always support Debian installs. I have a Windows desktop and laptop that I keep on Windows. The ONLY reason I am still running Windows is that I need MS Office Powerpoint for building church worship presentations, which are played on a Windows computer at church. I simply have not found an alternative Office suite that has enough Microsoft compatibility for what I need to do, which is media heavy. I don't plan on upgrading to Windows 11 until Win 10 gets dropped from support. I have thought about Chromebook, but I haven't looked into it very much, mostly for two reasons. 1) I want software that will run standalone on my computer. I do multitrack recording, some video editing and production (OBS Studio). 2) I dislike the world-domination aspects of companies like Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Facebook, so I like to stay away from them when I can. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 07/12/21 at 10:24:57 For those thinking Chromebook, here is the best deal going at the moment, this one is a Walmart 2 day deal @ $129. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Chromebook-311-11-6-HD-Intel-Celeron-N4020-4GB-LPDDR4-32GB-eMMC-Pure-Silver-Gigabit-WiFi-Bluetooth-5-0-CB311-9H-C4XC/588464990?irgwc=1&sourceid=imp_T5V3TFROfxyLW6ZwUx0Mo37TUkByWyyZxT4T1k0&veh=aff&wmlspartner=imp_10078&clickid=T5V3TFROfxyLW6ZwUx0Mo37TUkByWyyZxT4T1k0&sharedid=liliputing.com&affiliates_ad_id=612734&campaign_id=9383 http://https://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/acer-311-700x424.jpg Rumor has it that all of Chromebook's short life span issues will be addressed by ChromeReady, giving Chromebooks life spans similar to Linux machines. Still, you will have to convert your Chromebook to CloudReady when the time comes ........ the same CloudReady can also convert your old dated Windows machine into a Chromebook just as easily. CloudReady skips booting the machine to an OS and then separately having to go on line with a separate browser --- you just skip directly to the Chromium browser. Google bought CloudReady and is incorporating CloudReady's tricks into their own Chrome Browser Software. =================================================== Downside here is if you have a piece of old style program that has to run from Windows you may have to get an on-line version of that software or find a Linux program that picks up and writes back to the old format you are using. Another good trick to remember is to use Libre Office software (Libre Office software has Linux, Windows and Mac versions available) People keep forgetting that Libre Office reads and writes all the old MS formats, so if you are caught out in this old version situation you should try Libre Office to see if it can open up your old MS format and let you see your data again. If Libre Office software can open it, it can write back into any of the old MS formats, and you also have a chance to change the extension type to whatever the current MS standard you need for it to be. You can also reset the defaults in Libre Office to open up old stuff and then save your files automatically into the newer format that your end user can read. I set this auto open auto save stuff up for my wife while she was still working, and she got a lot of kudos from her instructor buddies as Windows would abruptly stop supporting old file formats that had important teaching stuff in them, but Nancy could open the old file and then save it back in the more modern extension type and thus save all the work folks had invested over the years. This was much appreciated by her peers. I'd find my wife sitting at my machine jest a chunkn' away at saving somebody else's butt time and again. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Fast 650 on 07/12/21 at 11:25:30 303D30372026520 wrote:
Not to derail the topic, but what are using for multitrack recording? I have been using Reaper for a while now and love it. And with the huge selection of free VST plugins available you can do practically anything that you can imagine. Want a full symphony orchestra? There is even a free VST for that. :) |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by bobert_FSO on 07/12/21 at 11:40:52 Fast650, I have been a Reaper user for years. I think I got in on version 1. Previous to that, I was doing ADAT 8-track on digital tape. Before that a TEAC 3440s 4-track open real. It does everything I need to do. However, I haven't really gotten much into VST instruments. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 07/12/21 at 13:13:49 Fast 650, you cannot derail a topic that I started --- they are all conversations and we know what conversations tend to do. Take time to make an aside, we can always get back to the threat MS is leveling against us all later on ........ I know doodle about music software and their formats, so carry on my wayward son, you'll have peace when you are done ....... (don't you cry no more) |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by jcstokes on 07/12/21 at 15:14:38 Have been using Linux Mint Mate 17 for about 3 years on your advice, seems to work ok, except for the power cut issue. I have owned HP desk top for just over ten years and it was probably a run out model when I brought it. Still have WIN7 in the computer, but I will need a professional to get my photos on WIN7 on to a memory stick or CD before I get rid of it. Can't do it myself because of so called CONFLICTS. No intention of getting WIN 11. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Eegore on 07/13/21 at 05:51:58 Chromebooks and Linux do not do well with the software I use. Getting Linux to smoothly link 20 AR headsets and conference them into a VR classroom is not exactly easy to do. With MS it takes about 5 minutes. Anyone using Oculus can not join easily since Linux is not efficiently supported. Chromebooks need external storage for anything that uses high memory and streaming from another PC to manage resource intensive programs. So for me it's makes more sense to run programs off the primary PC, than to stream them to a Chromebook. MS programs like Excel and PowerPoint run better on MS machines. Getting other companies to switch to more Linux compatible software would take more time and money than purchasing a new PC. So I would say I am not personally against Linux if it will run, easily, the programs I use, but at this time they appear to be more for preserving a comfort level than introducing new concepts. It took years to get Linux supported 3D printing software and only weeks to get it on Windows. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 07/13/21 at 08:10:54 Eegore, for your work world, you are pretty much locked into Windows software ---- this is a familiar situation we have all faced at work over the years. You will have to dance the MS upgrade dance and it will cost $$$$$ and aggravation and you will do that dance again and again every few years. For home use for retired people, Windows is not so much a lock any longer. We don't have the large free flowing $$$$$ going any longer, so sometimes we make choices based on what works for us. MM likes his new Chromebook, he likes the touch screen. jcstokes keeps a dual boot Mint system. bobert_FSO likes Ubuntu and Mint but he keeps an older Windows machine around for "just in case". These are all folks who made this decision to get off the Windows upgrade treadmill. We will get a few others ringing in eventually. And I don't think anybody paints themselves into a corner unnecessarily, I for example keep one Windows machine (Win 10) that my wife uses for the ghosts of her old work stuff. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by MMRanch on 07/13/21 at 10:24:50 I don't know much about different computer systems and am glad I don't have to learn ! :P My windows 10 is working just fine but I'd still be using "Windows XP" if I had my rather's , it was so easy ! I got the Chrome-Book for its traveling abilities , but it is really easy to use and like . I use my Windows 10 everyday , its 15.6" screen and buckets of memory are the main draw. The 11.5" Chromebook don't get used much while I'm at home. They are both touch-screen (spoiled I guess) and I can't imagine using the curser for everything again. When and If the W-10 stops working I might have to resort to the Chrome book ... I'll still be needing to use my pictures off the "OLD - Windows 10 , but the Chrome book only has 32 (?)bites of memory , I'm thinking of using memory sticks to plug-in what I need. You got that part all figured yet . ? |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Fast 650 on 07/13/21 at 10:49:43 67444C4E4D44444D5A280 wrote:
Okay, if you like that song there is a Swedish band that you should check out, called Siena Root. They are trying to bring back that style of music again. A bunch of their music is on youtube. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Fast 650 on 07/13/21 at 10:54:57 646964637472060 wrote:
Well we just told our ages with that one. I never got into ADAT, it was out of my price range at the time. But I am with you on the 8 track and 4 track open reel stuff. I had a few different open reel decks over the years, and a Tascam 16 track mixer. The VST instruments appealed to me because I could never find other musicians who would or could play the stuff that I wanted. With VST and MIDI I can be the entire band now and record what I want how I want. :) |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 07/13/21 at 12:27:11 Chrome book only has 32 (?)bites of memory , I'm thinking of using memory sticks to plug-in what I need. You got that part all figured yet . ? Mike, you have tons of on line storage available to a Chromebook. When you use it as it was intended, if you drove a truck over your Chromebook you could open your account on a replacement unit and it would all be there. Think 30 kids in a class, they each walk in and take a Chromebook from the charger rack and log in to it --- all their stuff is there immediately. Two kids throw their units out the window and smash them up on the sidewalk --- but they still turn in their classwork at the end of class using another unit from the charger rack. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by jcstokes on 07/13/21 at 13:35:32 One minor issue occurred when I brought an HP laser printer. The salesman was dubious when I asked if it would work on Linux, however, I took the gamble and it prints fine. Scanning was another matter, it wouldn't do it. Stuck a memory stickin the printer and scanned to that. You could say there's minor inconvenience in taking the stick out of the printer and sticking it in the computer, but it doesn't worry me. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 07/13/21 at 23:17:00 I agree that Linux is very shaky with printing, especially wireless printing. This shakiness derives from MS carelessly buggering up the drivers that came with the actual machine as written by the original vendors. The resolution for this buggering can happen later, when Linus's boys build their own driver for the machine and put it into the Linux kernel itself. I can buy a new printer, one that supports Linux LAN printing of all my machines and it all works great as installed ----- and I can count on it failing within 1-2 years before MS screws it up with the driver updates they insist on sending out to everybody. I will fight to get it fixed when it goes bad, with about 50% success rate, then I start eyeballing a new printer to coincide with the running out of the 5 pack of toner cartridges that I bought to support the new machine. My wife used to print a whole lot for school, now that she is retired and all her old set of buds got laid off at the University she really does not print a whole lot any more. I too will take whatever I need over to a jump drive and then run the graphic I need printed off on my wife's old machine. This is my signal to start eyeballing a new printer on super sale around Thanksgiving to Christmas time. It's funny, MS will break everyone else, but their stuff will keep on working "fairly well". Then, if the inside the Linux kernel support does not arrive on time for that Brother printer, I will consider buying a replacement printing machine and starting the cycle over again. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by rl153 on 07/15/21 at 17:49:07 I have two Linux mint desktop computers, a 2014 win 10 Acer laptop, upgraded from win 7. Plus 2 kindle fire 10" tablets. I use the Linux machine for most things, to preserve the laptop, and the laptop for zoom meetings. I know you can use zoom with Linux, but I haven't tried it. At the moment, they are all working ok. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by jcstokes on 07/15/21 at 21:08:33 Come to think of it, I've used Zoom on Linux. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by rl153 on 07/16/21 at 13:02:20 Zoom works fine on Linux? I'll have to try it. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by bobert_FSO on 07/16/21 at 18:45:12 I personally use Zoom on linux (Ubuntu, Linux Mint). Last year when our church was on Zoom instead of meeting in person, I picked up a couple of (cheap)older Win 7 era laptops that didn't have enough umph to run Windows 10. Loaded Linux Mint and Zoom and gave them to a couple of members that didn't have computers. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by rl153 on 07/17/21 at 07:13:17 to use it on my desktop ,I'd have to use a webcam. I wonder how that would work? |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by bobert_FSO on 07/17/21 at 09:46:33 Quote:
On a linux desktop? Should not be a problem. For Ubuntu and Linux MInt and Manjaro, most webcams are just plug and play, no extra drivers needed. The only webcam that didn't work was an ancient Logitech ball-looking thing that I picked up at a garage sale. A Microsoft lifecam, a newer Logitech, and a RockSoul just worked. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by rl153 on 07/17/21 at 16:43:18 Thanks, Mines a microsoft! I connected it . It works, but kind of fuzzy.I think you can focus it by turning the lens. I installed zoom . We'll see . Thanks |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Steve H on 08/08/21 at 12:10:15 I opted to get out of the Windows rat race the last go-round also. My system at the time was an ancient p4 with 4gb running win xp. Since I had already been bypassed by several "upgrades" that I chose not to do due to their machine requirements and my windows box decided to have interrupt controller problems again (new motherboard time), I started looking for other solutions. Thanks to OF and his support of Linux Mint as a good, useable platform, I bought a little zotac with a dual core atom and 2 gb for $25. It ran Mint 17 great and was as fast at most stuff as my 2.8ghz p4. It had a wonderful Nvidia One video processor and would play 1080p video at 25% processor utilization allowing me to watch video in a window while doing other stuff. Something I could never do on my old windows box. I recently upgraded to an almost 10 year old Dell Precision T-1600 workstation with E3-1245 quad-core Xeon processor at 3.3ghz, dual monitor capable, dvd-rw and 4gb ram for $49 from a surplus sales site. What a screamer running Linux Mint 19. I haven't had or missed windows since my old machine died. I'm not spied on by my os or half the software on the machine which reduces overhead. I don't need any online subscriptions to run software I was once able to buy and use as long and as much as I wanted. I won't be subject to Microsoft's censorship which they have said will be coming soon and my wallet isn't being constantly drained by forced upgrades and personal information being sold either. Thanks OF. I'm glad I took the plunge. It's much more stable than any version of windows I have ever used. The learning curve was very small for Mint. It worked right out of the "box" with everything in my system. I am forced to use windows at work doing typesetting using Adobe software. 3.6ghz with 8gb and I find myself sitting there waiting on it to do the same things that just pop right up on my home system. The boss is getting sort of "put out" by the 'we need a new computer' every few years due to forced upgrades. And, of course, software upgrades since the old stuff doesn't work and play well with the new windows. He doesn't understand anything about a computer but does understand very well when it impacts his bottom line by having to buy new computers and software because the old one isn't powerful enough anymore or the old software keeps crashing under the new windows. He really gets it when we lose half a day's work due to glitchy software problems. I keep hoping I can get him off the windows bandwagon but he thinks we can't work without it. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/08/21 at 13:39:13 In retrospect I would have done my journey differently. I was afraid, so I dual booted Win XP and later Win 10. I still like (prefer) my Mint Mate because it runs all the same control letter keystroke shortcuts from Win XP. I am a creature of habit, so this is simply a true thing for me. If I had had more courage I could have saved years of dual booting agony with my Linux boxes. Almost all my problems that came up came from the Windows side of things, and I still had to upgrade the box periodically because of this MS dependency. My biggest positive move was DUMPING Windows completely and simply installing Mint Mate as the only OS on the machine. Getting the MS Windows drivers OFF the machine helped simplify things GREATLY, and I do mean GREATLY. Next, I should have learned the shortcuts and ins and outs of Libre Office earlier. I assumed I needed to keep Office Word mainly for my wife, and that was simply incorrect. Having swung over to Libre and getting used to the menus, I find I haven't had to learn a new word processor every 4 years as I had to do for my entire working career up until retirement. Next, Libre instantly can do all the old MS formats, plus take an older "obsolete" MS file type and modernize it instantly (something MS wants to charge you a lot of money to do). MS is a money leech. Really, I mean it. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by MMRanch on 08/08/21 at 13:46:17 Hay OldFeller My daughter is wanting me to buy her a computer . If windows 10 is not a good choice ... then what should I get her ? :-? |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/08/21 at 13:58:13 Mike, who is the computer wizard who takes care of your computer stuff? You need to answer this question honestly, then ask them what they recommend. Me, I think your wizard sleeps in bed with you every night. Something to consider, your wife buys you new machines every 2 years or there-abouts. Give your daughter your current machine (or pull out the most modern older one) and just hold your breath a little bit until your wife gifts you with a new puppy. You still have your old machines still and there is nothing wrong with them. You still have your Mint DVD I sent you --- use this as an excuse to try it out. ;) Your wife will not be able to stand the agony watching you try to do the change-out, she will intervene on your behalf ...... |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by MMRanch on 08/08/21 at 20:14:45 Your wife will not be able to stand the agony watching you try to do the change-out, she will intervene on your behalf ...... OldFeller , you got somethings backwards. ;D When my Vista quit working I went to windows 10 , and when Marcia's Window's 7 quit , then she didn't want a 10 she wanted she wanted a windows 8 and I got her one. Hay , I never could get the Mint DVD thing to load on the Vista ... could have been the Vista was already done in ? :-/ When we remodeled the kitchen ... a took the cow money from that year to Lowes and she picked out what she wanted so I could put it in. The cows do buy me a motorcycle once in a while too. They (cows) may buy me a Himalaya this year ? I'm an idiot when it come to the computer world but she ask me what to do when something don't - "do easy". Your my Computer expert ! ;) So daughter wants me to get her a computer and she's not even sure what she wants to do with it. I'd get her a windows 10 but should I ? :-? |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by verslagen1 on 08/08/21 at 20:46:48 is your daughter going to school? there may be requirements. otherwise, get her a cheap chromebook laptop until she knows what she wants. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by jcstokes on 08/09/21 at 03:11:21 Now, with respect, things that can stuff new Linux users 1/ your @ key is now your inverted commas key and your inveted commas key is now your @ key. 2/ Immediatley upon installing Linux you must check for Google Chrome Stable updates and install them, they come up regularly, you will also see a lot of other computer language updates, which you can install if you wish, you aren't being spoon/forcefed updates. 3/ fonts, these will have strange names, for instance, with Microsoft, my preference was for the ARIAL font, on Linux I get a thing called DEJA VU SANS, looks like ARIAL. Al this makes me wonder if MS hasn't somehow copyrighted keystrokes and fonts. 4/ you won't have a spell check unless you search in Linuxes many programs and find one. My 11 year old HP desktop seems to run ok, and it was a run out model when I brought it. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by bobert_FSO on 08/09/21 at 06:04:27 Regarding linux fonts. Microsoft has released some of its copyrighted fonts (Arial, Times New Roman and others). Installing them on linux can make life easier if you are trading MS Office and Libreoffice files between operating systems. The instructions in the link works with Ubuntu/Debian-based distros (Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Pop OS and others). https://itsfoss.com/install-microsoft-fonts-ubuntu/ There is also an Ubuntu/Debian software package call Ubuntu-restricted-extras that includes the fore-mentioned MS fonts + some additional media codecs + some other stuff that Ubuntu can't include in their standard distro because of licensing issues. https://itsfoss.com/install-media-codecs-ubuntu/ |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by MMRanch on 08/09/21 at 06:45:17 Thanks for the replies guys ! Yea Versey , my first thought was to hand her my Chrome-Book and say "how would you like one of theses ?" I got back "where do you put the CD's in at ?" ::) I don't think I'll ever know enough to make a "MINT" program work ? Too much learning and not enough devotion ?? Heck ! I'm even beginning to think that FUEL INJECTION may not be all that bad of a thing ? :-? Maybe , I should pull out my old XP-Lap top , charge it up - clean it up - and see how she likes it . ;D ............................................................... Here's a real question guys : Last time I was computer shopping on ebay , I noticed a bunch of "RECONDITIONED" lap tops . Now I picture a reconditioned one being , reloaded with the modern version of window's 10 and a new battery installed . Is that about right ? |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/09/21 at 09:07:30 Simpler to just give her your current best machine, then replace it with something you want later on. She can't want more than the best one you got without seeming ungrateful and she won't do that. She can't seem to tell you what she wants or needs feature-wise. You know you can do OK using the Chromebook until you get a replacement. Give her the good one that is only part of a year old, or tell her to pick something out at Best Buy. How old is this daughter? What does she do with her laptop? When I was computer shopping with my kid she had a spec sheet from her school. Two years out of date, that sheet was. She had CAD programs that she ran in a school lab and she was always complaining about how slow everything was on the machines in the lab. hee hee ....... She walked into the lab two weeks later with her new 5.5 pound 64 bit Athlon 64 laptop and she found she could run Solidworks renders on her new laptop faster than the lab machines could run the same files. That was the most expensive laptop I ever bought, ever. Solidworks software wasn't cheap either. Of course she complained about lugging the 5.5 pounds around all the time ........ Her next need was something to put all her engineering files on to for transport. She got one of the very first USB hard drives with a big 64 meg (not gig, meg) carrying capacity. It could move a large CAD file ....... she wound up with a later on version at 20 gigabytes transfer capacity for the same $$$$ as her first one. It is your daughter, you are allowed to spoil her a bit. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by MMRanch on 08/09/21 at 14:22:18 How old is this daughter? What does she do with her laptop? ................................. Long way from being in school ! She's 31 , and has a bunch of CD's . I don't know where she got the idea that I know anything about computer systems (Dad's can do anything - Right ! ) Maybe , I can just put her off till she buys her own ? But then she'll get some "Over-priced--Under powered" second hand piece of #%^& ? So , what else is there besides Windows 10 , Mac. and Chrome Book ? |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/09/21 at 19:20:51 Ask her if she has to have a laptop. Much better power to price ratios exists in buying a used dell workstation right now. Downside is that using workstation chips in MS products can get pricey. Memory cost is higher too as nothing about the machine is "consumer level" stuff. Software costs will be higher as some standard Windows softwares do not work well on Intel workstations, you need to get the workstation version of what you have. Ask her if she can use Ubuntu or another Linux variant. Just ask her. Linux is always full workstation software -- there is no "consumer level" in Linux software. No joke, Mint Mate will discover her hardware and run on her machine, no matter what it is ........ Dumb questions, Why isn't this 31 year old out there buying her own computers? How much does she know about computers? Sounds like she just wants you to give her your current most modern machine ........ Is your wife involved in this request??? ----- if so the answer is simple ----- do what it takes to make your wife happy. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by MMRanch on 08/09/21 at 21:33:14 My computer is a Dell with a Terabyte of memory and a 15.6" touch screen with a intel CORE 15 processor , maybe not the best there is but it's easy to live with :) I feel like a personal computer is ... just that ... A PERSONAL Thing. I don't share mine with anybody else. So I don't find "Surprises" from someone else leaving stuff or changing stuff. Its "MY-COMPUTER" . NO on getting "MY" computer , I'll help her find one like mine if that is what I should do , but is windows 10 the right thing to do ? She bought herself one but thinks mine is better , so you may be right about her wanting mine ??? :-? My Favorites , my pictures , my desk top icons , "My" is just all over my computer ... I can't picture why anybody would really want anybody's else's computer. It just don't make sense ... So , I should get my old XP out of the attic or use the retired Vista and load Linux on one of them for her ? ::) |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Eegore on 08/10/21 at 05:37:44 Unless I am mistaken all of "your" stuff and settings are on the hard drive. I'd pull that drive and toss it in a compatible replacement if you want to give away your current PC. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/10/21 at 06:06:27 So your daughter is less computer capable than you. You cannot part with your old machine because it has been Mike-afied to the point it suits you perfectly and you can't part with it. ::) OK Let's go back to Win 11 and let me try again to communicate the frustrating situation. We got some good news yesterday -- changeover is pushed back over 2 years. Microsoft is killing off Win 10 You will have to buy a new Windows 11 machine soon enough. MS says so. Spendy spendy spendy lots of $$$$$ on whatever MS wants you to buy. Or, stay on Win 10 whenever it becomes unsafe ---- eventually to be eaten by some transmitted thing over the internet. Some on this list will take this route, some will have it work out OK, some will die horribly. Or, jump ship to Linux ........ this requires a willingness to learn. I had a boss once named Karl, he was like you, not very good with computers. He would take his machine to Best Buy and they would tell him why they couldn't fix it. Karl bought a new computer at Best Buy every 1-2 years ....... Karl was caught in the Wintel trap, and he knew it. Resented it, but he knew it had him half swallowed all the time. Karl would bring his computer to work and I would fix it (generally simple things). He'd take it home and break it again futzing around on the internet downloading stuff and installing it himself. Karl bought a lot of computers. My wife does this with her phone. Downloads new apps and breaks everything trying to install them while reading on the internet and futzing around with the settings. KISS Keep it Simple If it works don't futz with it. Still, I buy a lot of phones for her because she uses them up pretty quickly. People like Karl need to use Chromebooks because they cost less to replace. Mike, dig out your best newest old machine and charge it. Does the DVD drive work? Does it recognize a DVD once inserted? Notice I said DVD, not CD. Stick the Mint DVD in it and turn the laptop off, then restart the machine with the DVD sitting in the closed DVD drive and then let it set for 15-20 minutes while it oh so slowly starts itself up. Did Mint load up? Loading an OS from a DVD is slow stuff, but once loaded off the DVD it can be installed on your hard drive where it will run much quicker. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/10/21 at 06:26:04 7A5A58504D5A3F0 wrote:
Mike can't load an OS on a new drive. Mike doesn't have drives sitting around in his computer room. Mike could't change his machine's boot order if you put a pistol to his head. Mike's daughter wants Mike to "take care of this computer mess". ........ so very very screwed ....... This defines what MS wants for you ---- to be a totally dependent cash cow for MS to milk periodically. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by MMRanch on 08/10/21 at 06:54:31 Mike can't load an OS on a new drive. Mike doesn't have drives sitting around in his computer room. Mike could't change his machine's boot order if you put a pistol to his head. Mike's daughter wants Mike to "take care of this computer mess". ........ so very very screwed ....... ........................ Her , computer mess ... I just go buy a new one when mine tears up ! Hay , I resemble those remarks ! ;D And what the heck is a boot order ? :-? I didn't order any boots ? OldFeller , you finally got the situation understood ! :) I'll see if I can find that CD you sent a few years back ? :-/ In my defense : I did put a new piston and cylinder sleeve in one of my tractors durning the middle of the winter with the tractor sitting in the middle of a field up on the hill where it broke at . ::) But I didn't like doing it ! |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/10/21 at 06:58:35 PM me your address if you cannot find it and I will send you another one. I had another boss named Sam, who was computer illiterate but was willing to learn. He busted his head wide open trying, and he learned how to run a computer and program a spreadsheet. He got promoted to the home office. My daughter's school had one very old computer in a lab. Myself and two other dads installed a second more modern machine that we provided. One of the other guys would go to all the PTA meetings and tell the other parents that if the kids didn't know computing they were not going anywhere with their education. He spearheaded a search for a real computer teacher, and we hired one for 3 years who taught the full MS Office suite in depth as his course material. Students had to buy their own laptops that could run MS Office. This was my daughter's high school years ....... She now works at IBM/Red Hat writing tech manuals for mainframe Linux systems ...... Before that she designed Link-belt cranes (the big ones) as a project leader ,,,,,,, She has been a CAD design engineer, a project team leader and a head technical editor. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by MMRanch on 08/10/21 at 07:23:49 She now works at IBM/Red Hat writing tech manuals for mainframe Linux systems ...... So Linux is a IBM system ? You should really be proud of her ! :) And being a Crane operator too ! I've seen some of the big ones in Nashville - so tall the operator need binoculars to see what he's doing up there ! Before that she designed Link-belt cranes (the big ones) as a project leader ,,,,,,, All joking aside , WoW 8-) for you daughter ! So , she got your brain --- please tell me she looks like her mom ? ;D Mine got stuck in the birth canal with the cord wrapped around her neck , it cut off the blood supply to her brain long enough to create a developmental problem . I'll be helping her out the rest of my life. Ya take the good and bad as it comes along ! ;) |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 08/10/21 at 09:29:23 No, IBM still makes workstations and mainframes ....... they use a lot of Linux software, so they bought Red Hat up as a product support afterthought. Red Hat is based in Raleigh, NC where my daughter lives and works (Cary and Raleigh). Daughter used Ubuntu Linux as her post-apple software "extension" and thought she would apply as a tech writer for Red Hat, as she found one of her old NC State IBM buddies was working there and he hired her on the spot. Mike, make sure your laptop uses DVDs and not CDs. DVDs are much higher capacity and that would explain why you can't get stuff to load on your old laptop. OS software comes on DVDs ....... And no, my daughter got some of her smarts & brains from her Momma and her math and engineering skills from her Daddy. There was a PC game called TANK that my baby girl and I played on her very first computer. I used to spot her 2 shots, then one shot, and then we played even. Before long she could pot me on the very first shot she took, so I got to go first. There was a variable called wind speed and direction that you could set for your opponent's shooting environment. I'd turn it up to "hurricane" and she would still pot me on the first shot. Her instinctive grasp of ballistics and vectors was quite something even at an early age. Her mother and I taught her how to take multiple guess tests and how to make her instructors happy. Advanced stuff for a 13-14 year old, but it did her good stead. Her momma calls it "Playing the Game" and it is a female art form. She would ask me for help with Algebra, and I taught her the basics of Calculus and derivatives while saying these were some really neat tricks that verged on cheating. This perked up her interest quite a bit. I got called to one conference with a Jr. High math teacher who asked his students to write down their steps to solving their math solutions. He didn't like that I taught Katie how to cancel out problem variables and use Algebra & Calc first derivative equation reductions to simplify his overly complex questions. He especially didn't like her making up specialty rulers on the edge of her test pages to directly read out the distances in miles on the map geography problems. (she used these as a recheck method to her mathematical solution, if they disagreed something was done wrong in the math) My daughter liked Algebra and Trig and Calculus, they were old buddies by the time she got there. "Katie, you can do anything you can think of to that written problem, just so you do the exact same thing on both sides of the equal sign. Try to clean up as much junk as you can before you start to crunching the numbers --- makes it easier and cleaner and less likely for you to goof something up." Her momma taught her to write paragraphs and papers, and how to write it all very well. She actually made more money as a technical writer as the match up between good math, good engineering skills and good writing skills is a very very very rare thing. Software Engineers are generally very poor at explaining the complex things they invent. She would meet with a struggling project group and make some fairly simple suggestions that made the whole thing an easy do ---- that was the simplification tricks I taught her. The ex-IBM guy who told Red Hat to hire her said she was a Unicorn, she could work magic and she really could do anything. They became believers after the first six months. She now gets secondary tasks when a project group falls behind or makes a snarl up out of an assignment. Sometimes she moves some people who can't get along to another team, sometimes a weak link simply gets dropped if they can't pick up what they need to know to get the job done. Several years ago she told her upper level bosses they weren't paying her enough to do the work of a middle level system manager, so they promoted her and took away some of her lesser jobs. She went back to Graduate School at that point for her Masters in Technical Writing and actually became a middle manager at Red Hat. |
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Title: Re: Survey --- Win 10 is dying, Win 11 involves $$ Post by MMRanch on 08/11/21 at 07:38:07 I need to get my son married off to a gal like your daughter ! She's might be to old for him but there must be others out there ? Seems like you did good ! :) |
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