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Message started by WebsterMark on 06/29/21 at 10:29:39

Title: Smell like dog pop? Yea, smells like dog poop.
Post by WebsterMark on 06/29/21 at 10:29:39

Smells like an armed insurrection to me and against the President no less. A blockade on the White House with the goal of forcing a change to a legislative action. Arrests were made and presumably they’ll be held without bail. I assume the FBI is circulating videos and asking family members to turn in those who got away. Oh members of Congress involved as well. I assume impeachment proceedings will begin immediately against those congressional insurrectionist.

Sunrise Activists Arrested Over 'No Climate, No Deal' Blockade of White House
"President Biden has been failing us," Sunrise Movement executive director Varshini Prakash said about the administration's recent comments on the infrastructure package.
Dozens of youth activists with the Sunrise Movement were arrested by Secret Service agents on Monday while blockading all 10 entrances of the White House to demand that President Joe Biden and federal lawmakers deliver an infrastructure package that invests in job creation and combats the climate emergency.
The demonstrators had three core demands: stop negotiating with Republican politicians who don't care about climate action; meet with Sunrise executive director Varshini Prakash and other youth organizers who handed Democrats control of the White House and Congress; and pass a bold jobs and climate package that includes a fully funded Civilian Climate Corps (CCC).
The blockade at the White House and resulting arrests followed a march and rally of more than 500 activists and congressional Green New Deal champions—Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.), and Cori Bush (D-Mo.). It also comes after Biden and lawmakers announced a $579 billion bipartisan compromise on infrastructure last week.

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Post by Eegore on 06/29/21 at 11:24:21

I think the difference is an insurrection is to change who is in charge, not to change legislation while leaving the same person in charge.

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Post by WebsterMark on 06/29/21 at 13:45:49

Just wondering, does it hurt to keep trying to hammer that square peg into that round hole?

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Post by Eegore on 06/29/21 at 14:24:52

No more than it does for you.

Are we now saying that an attempt to alter legislation, while leaving the same people in power, is insurrection?

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Post by WebsterMark on 06/29/21 at 14:28:44

I’m saying why are people people who gathered to blockade the White House not considered to be part of an insurrection when the group who is considered armed insurrectionist took selfies?

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Post by Eegore on 06/29/21 at 14:34:38

I don't think the people who took selfies were armed or insurrectionists. I am not aware of any legal action against those people using the words "armed" or "insurrection".

The people with weapons, that travelled for the purpose of keeping Trump in power, some by their own admission, are armed insurrectionists by definition. Those people specifically.

The problem is altering the definitions to meet the needs of one's opinion.

For instance what reason, in this one Jan 06 case, should firearms be required for the definition of "armed" to be used?

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Post by Serowbot on 06/29/21 at 14:47:42

08282A223F284D0 wrote:

I think the difference is an insurrection is to change who is in charge, not to change legislation while leaving the same person in charge.

Eeegore has already made the point perfectly clear.

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Post by T And T Garage on 06/29/21 at 16:38:56

796F78657D68657E0A0 wrote:

[quote author=08282A223F284D0 link=1624987779/0#1 date=1624991061]
I think the difference is an insurrection is to change who is in charge, not to change legislation while leaving the same person in charge.

Eeegore has already made the point perfectly clear.
[/quote]

As he always does.

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Post by WebsterMark on 06/29/21 at 19:34:38

All three of you are delusional if you think Jan 6th meets the definition of an armed insurrection. Get a grip people.

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Post by T And T Garage on 06/29/21 at 19:37:51

5F6D6A7B7C6D7A45697A63080 wrote:

All three of you are delusional if you think Jan 6th meets the definition of an armed insurrection. Get a grip people.

It's not just the 3 of us. It's a majority of the Country.

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Post by Eegore on 06/29/21 at 20:10:39

All three of you are delusional if you think Jan 6th meets the definition of an armed insurrection. Get a grip people.

I didn't say "Jan 6th" I said specific individuals. I will continue to clarify this every time you indicate I ever said all people at the Capitol are criminals or engaged in illegal activity.

The people who travelled there to stop the ceremony for the purpose of keeping Trump in power, were part of an insurrection by definition. The people that protested, but not for the purpose of altering the outcome, were NOT part of an insurrection.

Again this is an issue of downplaying the acts of those you agree with, while others inflate those same actions because they don't agree. Why act like every person there took selfies and nobody was "armed" because this one event requires guns to be "armed" while others try to act like every person there was trying to burn the place down.

None of that is true.

Just use actual definitions and actual laws.

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Post by WebsterMark on 06/30/21 at 05:19:02

The people who travelled there to stop the ceremony for the purpose of keeping Trump in power, were part of an insurrection by definition.

By that definition, the group who swarmed the Senate chambers during the Kavanaugh hearings with the goal to stop a vote that would have gone a different way than they wanted (and actually intimidated one Senator on an elevator into changing a vote) are by your definition, insurrectionist.

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Post by Eegore on 06/30/21 at 08:13:04

"By that definition, the group who swarmed the Senate chambers during the Kavanaugh hearings with the goal to stop a vote that would have gone a different way than they wanted (and actually intimidated one Senator on an elevator into changing a vote) are by your definition, insurrectionist."

So by stopping Kavanaugh's appointment they would have changed the President?

My comparison specifically says keeping Trump in power. People who travelled to stop a Presidential election process to keep a President in power.

We could go over the percentage impact the SCOTUS has, since it is significant, and decide if altering the members of the SCOTUS is considered a substantial percentage of leadership change to the US Government as a whole. Perhaps keeping one member of the SCOTUS from becoming a member is equal to insurrection.

I would say altering Presidential control is for sure insurrection, and SCOTUS could possibly be as well.

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Post by WebsterMark on 06/30/21 at 10:51:57

There was no possibility of an insurrection. This is just complete nonsense.
Everyone knows with absolute certainty if Trump had the lead and Biden supporters showed up that day and did the exact same thing this would be called a mostly peaceful protest. You know that to be true. No one would’ve use the word insurrection and this entire affair would be a distant part of history. No one would be in jail, the FBI would not have posted pictures and websites asking for family members to turn in other members etc.

This was an unfortunate event fabricated by leftist media types into something it wasn’t and you’re just falling for it.

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Post by Eegore on 06/30/21 at 11:02:43

"There was no possibility of an insurrection. This is just complete nonsense."

I agree that there was no possibility. Again, I am saying people, specific humans, who travelled there to stop the process for the purpose of keeping Trump in power were part of an insurrection. One that could have never succeeded, but by definition, an insurrection specific to those humans engaging in those actions.

The people, specific humans, that had weapons, were armed. Combining the act of insurrection with the act of having a weapon means that those specific humans were armed insurrectionists.

I don't care what the "news" has to say. Yes it's overblown, but on the same side changing definitions to downplay the acts of people who actually committed crimes is just as bad. Some people assaulted the police, to say they only took selfies is wrong. Factually incorrect and ethically unsound.

To imprison people for insurrection if they were protesting is equally wrong.

This downplay of the specific actions of specific people is just as nonsensical as anyone claiming all the people there were insurrectionists.

"This was an unfortunate event fabricated by leftist media types into something it wasn’t and you’re just falling for it."

And the people that admit, in texts, media posts, video, that they went to stop the election and keep Trump in power? Also fabricated leftist media, or just people saying what they did and why?

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Post by Rockn on 06/30/21 at 11:18:28

wm wants to frame 1/6 as an unguided field trip, while Republicans in the house are saying, right this moment, it was a dark day, it was violent, over 500 people have been arrested, and its under multiple investigations. So are the GQP also in on this fabrication now?

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Post by MnSpring on 06/30/21 at 17:06:13

Of Course, if it is AOC and squad.

Then, absolutely nothing can be done.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

"... we had AOC come, we had Cori Bush come, we had Jamaal Bowman come and say the reason why their in their positions today is because of us ... "
"... Celebrating their illegal White House takeover, the Sunrise Movement..."
"... blockaded every entrance to the white house ... "
" ... AOC, joined hundreds of protesters outside the White House on Monday ..."

Quotes from different, 'news' reporting web sites.
Which ones ?
Just do as tt often has advised to do,
you will find all sorts.
(For a little while)

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Post by WebsterMark on 07/01/21 at 04:46:57

405D51595C465A575A534559320 wrote:

You should know this and I suspect you do. Politicians got to where they are by understanding the mood of the room.

Most have made the calculation that it’s better to pretend this didn’t happen and or go along to a certain degree with much of the media’s fabricated insurrection fantasy.

The events of January 6 were foolish and ridiculous. The over reaction to the events of January 6 are far more unAmerican than the event itself.

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Post by Eegore on 07/01/21 at 05:23:46

"The events of January 6 were foolish and ridiculous. The over reaction to the events of January 6 are far more unAmerican than the event itself."

Under-reaction is just as bad.

Claiming everyone took selfies and ignoring the videos of people assaulting one another is what form of justice? Ignoring the multitude of texts, social media postings and videos of specific humans and only those specific humans with the exception of all other humans, that say they are going to keep Trump in power is a better form of American values?

Horn-guy is an example, he should be appropriately charged, and there is merit to his argument that his spear was not intended as a weapon. Like a person carrying a pen could use it as a weapon, but was not doing so for that purpose. Oh wait, this one event needs guns to be considered "armed" so US law will be different for this one case.

Calling horn-guy a harmless protester is not accurate, calling him the greatest threat to the US is also not accurate.

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Post by WebsterMark on 07/01/21 at 05:44:55

Fine.
Treat them like the protestors who invaded the Supreme Court hearings. Treat the like BLM protestors who swarm malls and restaurants.
You could even treat them like antifa in Portland when they try to blind officers with high powered lasers, throw fire bombs into advancing police lines or even treat them like antifa who light police precincts on fire and block the doors with officers inside.

I’d be okay with that.

But don’t try to sell me some bu!!$hit like these people were with inches from taking control of the nation.

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Post by Eegore on 07/01/21 at 07:38:40

"You could even treat them like antifa in Portland when they try to blind officers with high powered lasers, throw fire bombs into advancing police lines or even treat them like antifa who light police precincts on fire and block the doors with officers inside."

This is another good example of disproportionate response but in the opposite direction. These idiots claiming years of oppression allows for this type of behavior to go unpunished are just plain delusional.

Do I get to burn down BLM art galleries with in 40 years because I am not allowed into art galleries today due to being white?

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Post by WebsterMark on 07/01/21 at 09:06:33

Do I get to burn down BLM art galleries with in 40 years because I am not allowed into art galleries today due to being white?

If the ruling media class says you can 40 years now, then apparently you can.