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Title: Presented without comment Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/27/21 at 15:56:24 Check the links Conclude what you will Act accordingly https://nojabforme.info |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by MnSpring on 04/27/21 at 16:23:45 I'll make a comment. "Let's Wait For The SPIN" Now I understand the big ramp up for the, 'FEAR" of why so many people are NOT getting the shot. Makes sense ! Common sense that is ! |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by Eegore on 04/27/21 at 20:04:28 "The FDA did not approve Moderna or Pfizer mRNA gene therapeutics they dubbed "vaccines". It simply authorized them." Did I know? Yes because that is what has been said since day 1. "The clinical trials will be completed in 2023, and there are 12 vaccine companies working on profiting from vaccine sales" Did I know? Yes, actually it was 17 but some dropped out. "The FDA & CDC have not revealed to the public over 20 adverse effects, including Death, related to Covid19 vaccines, which were discussed in an October 2020 meeting. " Did I know? Yes, because they actually are listed in the Working list of Adverse Event outcomes, the data lag times vary but are disclosed an it changes. Oh wait I forgot, if an Organization discloses something in writing and somebody else lies to you about it then the Organization lied. Not the person that actually lied. "The mRNA jab delivers a synthetic, inorganic molecule (medical device) that programs your cells to synthesize pathogens in the form of the spike protein that your immune system will constantly have to fight off for the rest of your life, according to experts such as Molecular Biologist & Immunologist, Professor Dolores Cahill. She explains. Fauci confirms. Dr. Lee Merritt reconfirms." Did I know? I know this is misleading hoping nobody reads the references. I do know that mRNA itself is not a new invention from the lab it is naturally found in every cell in your body. mRNA is destroyed by the cell, mRNA cannot get into the cell nucleus and it cannot affect a person’s DNA, we have know this for years. "The mRNA jab does not prevent you from contracting Covid19 or from transmitting it." Did I know? Yes. Because I know what efficacy means. Again because that's what we have been told all along. This nonsense of refusing to look at information from certain sources, then turning around blaming them for not telling the truth is moronic at best. I won't read a CDC document. I create opinion on subject based off of a YouTube video with no references, or at least one's I won't actually look at. I blame the CDC for lying to me because my opinion was formed from someplace other than the CDC's actual documentation. I use the document I still won't read as proof. If you don't want a vaccine that's fine, but this practice of trying to make this very public and very available information seem like it's been some secret is bull$hit. |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by oldNslow on 04/28/21 at 06:43:45 When I got my shot (the J&J one) about a month ago I was handed a couple of pages of info about the "vaccines". I didn't keep it after I read it, so I'm paraphrasing but it said: There is NO FDA approved vaccine for Covid disease. The shot you are getting is being given under an "emergency use authorization." Clinical trials of this drug have not been completed and any adverse long term effects are unknown at this time. We think this drug is safe but we are not positive. We think this drug will provide some level of immunity to Covid disease, but we don't know how much or for how long for sure. The above was followed by a list of the known short term effects to look out for, sore arm , fever, fatigue yada, yada, yada, none of which I experienced. So, at least in the case of the J&J shot it looks as though the CDC was pretty upfront about what I was having put into my arm. I was aware of the info on the handout before I went to get the shot because I'd done my own research, but I can't speak for any of the other people that were there. I do know people who are under the impression that this "vaccine" is no different from the shots they got as kids for polio smallpox etc. even though it obviously isn't. That impression is not because the information isn't readily available though. I'm not advocating for or against getting some form of the Covid shot. That's a decision everyone should make for themselves. I got one because I decided it could possibly help, and even if it turned out to not be any good, it was unlikely to do me any harm. YMMV. "You pays your money and you takes your chances" as the saying goes. Aint none of us gonna live forever anyway. ;) |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by Eegore on 04/28/21 at 06:47:43 "I do know people who are under the impression that this "vaccine" is no different from the shots they got as kids for polio smallpox etc. even though it obviously isn't. That impression is not because the information isn't readily available though. I'm not advocating for or against getting some form of the Covid shot. That's a decision everyone should make for themselves." I agree. I'm obviously not a fan of people making up bullsh!t to persuade people to make one decision or the other. For instance one should make their own opinion about this: "3,186 deaths from Covid19 vaccines are reported by the National Vaccine Information Center as at 4/16/2021, and one-third of the deaths occurred within 48 hours." But they left out that 232,000,000 people in the US have received a vaccine. 97,000,000 are fully vaccinated. So 3,186 deaths seems large but to most people not compared to 232 million. If homicide or auto accident death (about 104 auto deaths per day) was that low we would be ecstatic. At least with comparative numbers we can make an informed decision, whereas JoG's reference provides a misleading narrative. But at least they provide references hoping nobody actually reads them. I liked this part "Anyone trying to take down this site will be named as codefendant in Nuremberg 2.0 for being an accomplice to crimes against humanity. That includes social media. Lawyers are standing by." Sure that's how this works. Good luck on that one. |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by MnSpring on 04/28/21 at 10:19:42 Quote:
That go both ways ? Like, Making up a, Fear Factor ? Like, IMPLYING, that deaths by heart/diabetes/cancer/etc/etc/etc are c-19 ? Like, IMPLYING, that the ‘vaccines’ are, FDA, APPROVED Not, ‘temporally authorized’? Like, IMPLYING, the shot makes you immune, Or cures you ? By, IMPLYING, their will be no, ‘vaccine passport’, for domestic travel. When it is getting closer every day ? And on And on And on … |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by Eegore on 04/28/21 at 13:53:38 "That go both ways ?" Absolutely. The difference is I can reference the lies posted and in turn reference the contradictory information. In this case are there references where the CDC said the vaccine "cures" C-19? Or is that all from other sources? When I indicate stopthejab is misleading you can go read those words for yourself, stated by stopthejab, not other people. "Like, IMPLYING, that deaths by heart/diabetes/cancer/etc/etc/etc are c-19 ?" Only if you can not understand the difference between dying "from" C-19 and dying "with" C-19. This is easy to be convinced of when people refuse to look at an actual real document and watch youTube instead. I think the actual statements are being manipulated because people won't read for themselves. This statement is very clear: "The conditions that led to the immediate cause of death should be reported in a logical sequence in terms of time and etiology below it." "Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics. " How are the words "not planning" implying that they are actively doing this? "Like, IMPLYING, that the ‘vaccines’ are, FDA, APPROVED Not, ‘temporally authorized’?" Can you provide a reference where the CDC or vaccine developer "implies" this and does not very directly say that it is "not" FDA approved? Not other sources, the actual CDC, or the actual vaccine companies? Oh yeah if somebody else implies a mistruth about something I said, I am actually the liar. Not the person who altered my words. "Like, IMPLYING, the shot makes you immune, Or cures you ?" Can you provide a reference where the CDC or vaccine manufacturer "implies" that the shot "immunizes" or "cures" you? Not other sources, the actual groups that are being accused of this. Oh wait, but it was ok to claim hydroxychloroquine was a "proven cure" using those actual words, (not implying, but actually using those words) without evidence except that Trump takes it, and then he got C-19. Real good "cure" when you still get the disease. "By, IMPLYING, their will be no, ‘vaccine passport’, for domestic travel. When it is getting closer every day ?" How is it getting closer? I am only aware of the statements that there is no proposals for a national vaccine passport. I'm all for holding the CDC/Vaccine manufacturers accountable for being inaccurate or manipulative, but I would need to see reference and not just statements of things that might have maybe been said. |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by MnSpring on 04/29/21 at 15:27:29 [edit] 7656545C4156330 wrote:
The Who, CDC, State DC Centers, Many Governors, and Most ‘news’ stations/outlets. IMPLIED Sure, deep in the fine print, covered over by lies, presumption, spin, Their was, the actual truth. And that was a multi layer, CYA. Gotta Love the SPIN LOLOLOLLLOLOLOLO “…Last month, New York became the first state in the nation to formally launch a digital vaccine passport for Empire State residents to verify that they’ve been immunized against the coronavirus. The state’s program, dubbed the “Excelsior Pass,” allows New Yorkers to prove their vaccination status, or a recent negative COVID-19 test, in order to gain entry to events and businesses. …” https://nypost.com/2021/04/07/the-us-states-that-are-using-covid-19-vaccine-passports/ And Chicken Noodle News, The FAVORITE of the UL, DFI, FDS Socialists. “… The Biden administration is working on creating a set of standards for people to prove they’ve been vaccinated against Covid-19, according to an administration official…” “ Multiple government agencies are engaged in conversations and planning, coordinated by the White House, as this kind of system will play a role in multiple aspects of life…” Now here is something to read carefully. ”… The Biden administration previously said the federal government should not be involved in efforts to create a vaccine passport system to verify that people have been vaccinated…” “…The Post, citing five officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity, reported the effort “has been driven largely by arms of the Department of Health and Human Services, including an office devoted to health information technology.” “CNN previously reported that several companies and technology groups have begun developing smartphone apps or systems for individuals to upload details of their Covid-19 tests and vaccinations, creating digital credentials that could be shown in order to enter concert venues, stadiums, movie theaters, offices, or even countries. “ Read between the lines. Read the SPIN ! “…White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday there will be no federal mandate requiring every American to obtain a vaccination credential …” Simply because they KNOW than cannot. HOWEVER, The puppet masters want, that you can’t go into a bar/restaurant/movie/car/mall/etc. etc. etc with out one, because Ding-z-Dong the puppet, gives out the licenses to those places, and will ‘mandate’ that ‘place’ can ONLY accept people that have a, ‘vaccine passport’. So you don’t have to have one, BUT, if you want to do any of those things, you will, HAVE to have one ! https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/28/politics/biden-administration-vaccination-passport/index.html |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by oldNslow on 04/29/21 at 19:01:23 Exactly: Read between the lines. Read the SPIN ! “…White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday there will be no federal mandate requiring every American to obtain a vaccination credential …” Simply because they KNOW than cannot. HOWEVER, The puppet masters want, that you can’t go into a bar/restaurant/movie/car/mall/etc. etc. etc with out one, because Ding-z-Dong the puppet, gives out the licenses to those places, and will ‘mandate’ that ‘place’ can ONLY accept people that have a, ‘vaccine passport’. So you don’t have to have one, BUT, if you want to do any of those things, you will, HAVE to have one ! NY state'e "Excelsior Pass" is already operational. https://covid19vaccine.health.ny.gov/excelsior-pass So many people have already downloaded the app that there are already reports on the local news here in Rochester that folks are getting error messages saying that " sorry, we can't seem to find the record of your vaccination. Please contact whomever the f**k gave you the shot(s), ask them to straighten this out, and try again. Very sorry for the inconvenience". SOP for New York I'm afraid. Other states, Florida, Texas and, I think, S. Dakota are working on laws to make such a thing illegal in those states. Civil War of the Covid passports coming right up. :D |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by Eegore on 04/29/21 at 19:18:44 State by State governing is what is supposed to happen. If NY wants to create an "Excelsior Pass" and 51% of citizens that engage support it then it should happen, even if the Federal Government says it should not. The same should happen in reverse. What should not happen, and is not happening, is a Federal mandate that All States create and manage a vaccine passport consistent with Federal Standard. "White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday there will be no federal mandate requiring every American to obtain a vaccination credential …” Simply because they KNOW than cannot." Yeah. That's the way it should be. My observed reality indicates that this is exactly what is happening. |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by MnSpring on 04/30/21 at 12:17:55 Quote:
Do you think that is the only reason people are moving Out Of, Calf, NY, IL in droves? Quote:
Read the last 1/3 of reply #7 Just after; "Read between the lines" |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by oldNslow on 04/30/21 at 12:39:07 Quote:
Well, when Gov granny killer himself up here in NY was asked about that very thing, he said that everyone was bailing 'cause it got so cold here in the wintertime. Looked right into the camera and said it with a straight fricken face too. :o |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by Eegore on 04/30/21 at 21:15:40 The puppet masters want, that you can’t go into a bar/restaurant/movie/car/mall/etc. etc. etc with out one, because Ding-z-Dong the puppet, gives out the licenses to those places, and will ‘mandate’ that ‘place’ can ONLY accept people that have a, ‘vaccine passport’. So you don’t have to have one, BUT, if you want to do any of those things, you will, HAVE to have one ! I'd agree if the Federal Government "required" this. They do not. Providing the guidelines could be a potential workaround but only if it is, or can be, enforced. Since it isn't being enforced and without very intense resource allocation could not be enforced I am still thinking that there is no Federal vaccine passport mandate. If enforcement measures start, I would change my opinion. As for the original post I still can't find information from the CDC, not other sources, that are implying or in any way stating information contradictory to what the vaccines are can do. |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by MnSpring on 05/01/21 at 16:53:56 Quote:
Amazing, I had 10+ 'quote's' from the CDC. IMPLYING !!!!!!! But suddenly that post in progress, simply disappeared !!!!!! And the many were variants of this: "...After approving a vaccine, FDA continues to oversee its production to ensure continuing safety..." And literately 100's more statement, IMPLYING. Spin again, how that/they are, NOT IMPLYING !!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by Eegore on 05/01/21 at 17:09:13 "Amazing, I had 10+ 'quote's' from the CDC. IMPLYING !!!!!!! But suddenly that post in progress, simply disappeared !!!!!!" That's convenient. And the many were variants of this: "...After approving a vaccine, FDA continues to oversee its production to ensure continuing safety..." So you mean "after approval" not, "Approved". So where is the information that the CDC is saying the vaccines are already approved? Not other sources, the CDC, FDA, or vaccine manufacturers. Your provided statement indicates approval has not yet happened. Your quote comes from the following source, and it does not say the FDA has approved a C-19 vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html "Spin again, how that/they are, NOT IMPLYING !!!!!!!" Because documentation says "not approved". How can you think that implies approval? The paperwork that comes with a vaccine consent says not approved by the FDA. How does that mean it is actually approved? I understand and would be willing to accept the idea that the CDC is saying the vaccine is FDA approved, or is implying it, but anyone can say they have 100's of sources and not provide any. |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/21 at 02:30:44 Aww, shaddup the bullshit. The talking heads and political liarz are pushing shots. Who givesafukk if the FDA didn't say it is good? The POINT IS It's quackery and people are Dying from the stupid shot that doesn't stop the disease. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-significant-jump-reported-injuries-deaths-after-covid-vaccine/ Run get some!!! |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by BabyboyKush on 05/02/21 at 03:57:02 Dear god, am I sorry I wandered into a thread that is about anything other than motorcycles on this site... the level of cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics it takes to avoid doing actual research and just maintain willfull ignorance on this topic is astounding. I have a personal policy of steering clear of people who make up their own replacements for acronyms like CNN... it’s served me well thus far. Best of luck to everyone on this one... |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by MnSpring on 05/02/21 at 08:16:52 [edit] 5675766D767B6D5F61677C140 wrote:
Just a bit of education for the un-educated: "The Cable News Network (CNN) was founded by Ted Turner and first broadcast on June 1, 1980. Other television networks (ABC, CBS and NBC) laughed about CNN's seeming amateurishness and low salaries and low budgets. CNN was called "Chicken Noodle News" by at least June 1981 and "Chicken Noodle Network" by at least 1987.' Chicken Noodle News, has now grown to be the number ONE, mouthpiece of the UL, UL, FDSprinkling DFI Socalists LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOPLOPLOL |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by Eegore on 05/02/21 at 09:02:03 Who givesafukk if the FDA didn't say it is good? I do if someone is going to use that as part of their argument. Don't sit here drudging up lies and misleading statements from other sources to prove how accurate you are, then when challenged to show what you claim, skirt around that issue by never providing evidence. People do this all the time. "Dying from the stupid shot that doesn't stop the disease." Interesting, so you think nobody in TX is dying from C-19 but think the vaccine is killing all these people. Also you argue Hydroxychloroquine is a "proven cure" and ignore that Trump took it and still got C-19. How is it a cure if you still get the disease? Still waiting for a response on that one. 232 million people have gotten the vaccine. Under 4k have died after getting it. Many more died from getting C-19 percentage wise. No vaccine has zero side effects. "Today’s data show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 23, a total of 118,902 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 3,544 deaths — an increase of 358 over the previous week — and 12,619 serious injuries, up 2,467 since last week." The Defender is mixing whole numbers with percentage. By accurately claiming there was "an increase in numbers" and posting those numbers they can avoid taking into account the overall percentage. If 1.34 million more people take the vaccine this week than the week before there should be an expected increase "in numbers". But what was the increase, if any, in percentage? But if you already decided the vaccine won't work you don't need the percentage, or what people would call useable accurate math. |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by Eegore on 05/02/21 at 09:05:57 "the level of cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics it takes to avoid doing actual research and just maintain willfull ignorance on this topic is astounding." Selective knowledge maintains my observed reality. By not accepting, or looking at anything I don't already like I can justify my stance easier. This isn't really all that hard. It's much more difficult to be open to outcomes other than the one's I predicted before having evidence presented to me. I knew you would be wrong before I ever knew the question. See how easy that is? |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by MnSpring on 05/04/21 at 07:41:45 Quote:
That, Exactly describes most of the UL, FDS, DIF, Freedom Hating Socialists, who try to counter common sense posts, by the right of center posters. |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by MnSpring on 05/04/21 at 07:47:29 Quote:
Seeing as how you brought up Chicken Noodle Network. Heard a great one last night. "Believing CNN, is like $hiting in the kitchen sink, and eating out of the toilet" |
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Title: Re: Presented without comment Post by Eegore on 05/04/21 at 09:36:29 " That, Exactly describes most of the UL, FDS, DIF, Freedom Hating Socialists, who try to counter common sense posts, by the right of center posters." I think it works both ways. How many times have I pulled up supporting documentation just to be told it is wrong without anyone looking at it? How many times have I brought up blatant provable false statements just to be told to ignore "that part" and just look at the accurate sections? My point is we should scrutinize equally. Even the source that says things I agree with could be wrong. We want truth but we won't work for it. |
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