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Message started by eau de sauvage on 04/15/21 at 16:15:11

Title: Is voter suppression 'white supremacy'
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/15/21 at 16:15:11

Bringing this up because JoG has got his knickers in a bunch about being labelled as a white supremacist, trying to turn that into a personal attack and thus have this sort of speech banned.

First some facts: This election was officially deemed to be the most secure ever, which surprised those who were expecting pandemic chaos. It's clear that the States that tried to illegally overturn the election are now suddenly bringing in bills specifically designed to make it more difficult for people of colour.

If you don't vote you have no voice and I would find it difficult to see a more fundamental example of white supremacy in action. You don't need to wear a pointy white hood you just need to be supportive of stopping non white people from voting.

Therefore anyone who supports laws that are plainly designed to stop people voting and those people happen to be predominantly non while, is by definition a white supremacist and I do not apologise if this is not palatable.

As usual Trump already said the quiet part out loud, which was if everyone voted, then the GOP would never get elected to power.

To try and pretend these are just normal laws to stop the election fraud which everybody with any credibility said did not take place, is similar to the defence argument that Derek Chauvin did not murder George Floyd because Floyd died from natural causes that coincidentally happened during the 10 minutes that Chauvin spent killing Floyd.

Title: Re: Is voter suppression 'white supremacy'
Post by Eegore on 04/15/21 at 17:34:05


 Did you read all of the proposals in the bill?

Title: Re: Is voter suppression 'white supremacy'
Post by eau de sauvage on 04/15/21 at 20:37:37


4F6F6D65786F0A0 wrote:
 Did you read all of the proposals in the bill?


I have not read any of the proposals in order to gather finer detail. Why? Because I don't want to get into the gamey arguments about whether water is allowed to be given to people waiting in line, that's just been sensationalised.

What is more relevant are not the clickbait bits but the meat and potatoes. However we do not need to look at the fine details because it is obvious that the main effect of the new laws being brought in is to supress minority votes under the pretext of 'voter fraud'.

However I predict that this strategy will fail because now that people have tasted their power, by tipping the Senate, and when they voted they *knew*  what it meant, they won't let that go.

The 2022 midterms are going to be very interesting. By all norms the GOP should take back the House. But nothing is normal any longer.

Title: Re: Is voter suppression 'white supremacy'
Post by Eegore on 04/16/21 at 05:37:37

 I'd say if a lot of the procedures in Georgia are voter suppression then Colorado has been suppressing votes for decades.  A lot of the proposals are the same or similar to what a number of States already do.

https://legiscan.com/GA/text/SB202/2021


 It is not perfect for sure, but I don't exactly see why any and all forms of reducing a timeframe, or expanding ID authentication is equal to "suppression".  With the voter drop box there is not a reduction in access - they didn't even exist a year ago.  However not allowing 24/7 access given advancements in motion-capture tech seems uneccessary.

Title: Re: Is voter suppression 'white supremacy'
Post by MnSpring on 04/16/21 at 06:16:07


76647073646260050 wrote:
... This election was officially deemed to be the most secure ever...

A non Citizen repeating,
Exactly What You Are TOLD to say.



Quote:
...now suddenly bringing in bills specifically designed to make it more difficult for people of colour...


Let's see, If a person of White colored skin, is asked for a ID to get on a Airplane, buy booze, rent a hotel room, open a blank account, vote,
(Among the several Hundreds of other reasons),
that is perfectly OK.

Yet if the same thing is asked of, 'a person of colour',
THEN, it is 'White Supremacy".

OK, Got it  

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Title: Re: Is voter suppression 'white supremacy'
Post by Eegore on 04/16/21 at 06:44:32

"Let's see, If a person of White colored skin, is asked for a ID to get on a Airplane, buy booze, rent a hotel room, open a blank account, vote,
(Among the several Hundreds of other reasons),
that is perfectly OK.

Yet if the same thing is asked of, 'a person of colour',
THEN, it is 'White Supremacy"."



 I think the primary difference is none of those things except voting are a protected right.  There obviously is more sensitivity towards race from both sides - I feel the race card is pulled out too often, just like calling everyone a Nazi when it does not apply.  

Title: Re: Is voter suppression 'white supremacy'
Post by MnSpring on 04/16/21 at 14:12:39


Quote:

1737353D2037520 wrote:
" ... none of those things except voting are a protected right.  ... " 


Buying/Owning a Firearm is also a Right.
Yet a ID is Required.

So, if a  person of White colored skin, is asked for a ID to buy a gun,
that is perfectly OK.

Yet if the same thing is asked of, 'a person of color',
THEN, it is 'White Supremacy”.

Oh BTY, their are 12 things/reasons, a person can be Denied the ‘Right’ to purchase a legal firearm.

How many ‘things/reasons’ exist, that a person can be Denied the Right to vote ?

(Even Felons In Jail, can vote in many states !)




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