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Message started by retro on 04/12/21 at 16:39:52

Title: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/12/21 at 16:39:52

Hi fellow riders.

Bought myself a 2001 ls650 and this is the first "real" motorcycle I have owned. the seller didn't mention that when it go full throttle, it'll sputter like it's running out of gas. It won't go past 55mph, or 4000rpms without doing the same thing. Yes, the petcock is on. The choke is off. Just going to get those questions right out of the way LOL (recently got it up to 65 after playing with the idle and a/f screw, but the issue is still there)...it had sad for 8 years and seller restored it to running status, gas tank is clean, new sparks, valve adjustment...and improved some more stuff. However, this is the main issue here and i need it fixed..he adjusted valves so I'm not sure its that.

Just a bit of background of me, I built my own motorcycle, it was a china bike but nonetheless, it is a motorcycle. I have switched carbs in that motorcycle but the carb on the 650, I am scared to touch. I don't want to mess anything up because I don't know this carb. I'm a bit wary. I just wanted an input from savage riders.

From what I have experienced in the past, with my own bike that I built, it all points to the carb, i've also talked to a couple mechanics and they think the same. However, it's intimidating and I don't know where to start to fix or look...thus I signed up here. Mechanics, as anyone know is expensive. I wonder if this is a problem i can fix myself?

The guy rebuilt the carb. maybe some gunk got in there between then and now?

He also experienced this issue and decided to drill a bigger hole in the main jet..apparently, it worked for him....I still can't decide whether it's genius or the stupidest thing I've heard of.

I was going to just buy a new carb, which is what I would like to do but I can't exactly just do that. Carb replacement recommendations? what carb can I buy that I can just simply put in, adjust to my elevation and what the bike wants and ride on?

It also stinks sometimes and backfired but recently I played with the a/f screw and its a little better at not backfiring.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/12/21 at 17:06:40

Does the bike still have the OEM vacuum fuel petcock?

Have you checked the condition of the diaphragm in the carb. A slight tear I’ll not allow enough vacuum for the slide to go to the top.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/12/21 at 18:56:56

676D69636861656C323430000 wrote:

Does the bike still have the OEM vacuum fuel petcock?

Have you checked the condition of the diaphragm in the carb. A slight tear I’ll not allow enough vacuum for the slide to go to the top.

It has a new petcock and the owner before me put it in. I have not checked the diaphragm of the carb, as I’m a little scared if I take it off I won’t be able to put it back...I don’t know how to take the battery and casing for battery off so I can freely move the carb about. Is there a video on how to removed and reinsert the carb? Or tutorial..I want to try but I’m scared I’ll tear an air hose to the air box or the flange..lol.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/12/21 at 19:02:47

4E44404A41484C451B1D19290 wrote:

Does the bike still have the OEM vacuum fuel petcock?

Have you checked the condition of the diaphragm in the carb. A slight tear I’ll not allow enough vacuum for the slide to go to the top.

Also, if there is a tear, how can I repair it?

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 04/12/21 at 20:11:12

I'm with Gary. Petcock and slide first. The stock vaccume operated petcocks often fail and some aftermarket options leave a lot to be desired. The prefered pectock is a genuine Yamaha raptor unit.

The slide is pulled open with vacuum which is where the diaphragm comes in. If it is torn or isn't seated properly it can fail to fully open the slide. Same thing if the slide is worn or dirty.

I would look at those items first and confirm the jetting just to make sure it's reasonably close to stock. Stock jetting is known to work and it's good place to start when trying to get things operational. Performance jetting comes later if desired.

And just to confirm, does the bike have the stock airbox, and exhaust? Have you checked the air filter?

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by zipidachimp on 04/12/21 at 23:29:05

Tighten the battery connections, turn the petcock to 'reserve' or pri, go for a ride. If the same thing happens, it's not the petcock.
Step by step elimination, not guessing.
Cheers! 8-)

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by jcstokes on 04/13/21 at 01:54:50

I agree with Zipi, try to establish whehter the replacement petcock is OEM or aftermarket. there are a variety of Raptor petcocks and if the PO has replaced it with one of these the inlet and outlet diameters could be wrong. If it's OEM Suzuki you could check for vacuum leaks between the carb and inlet port. The techies here will advise on the correct Yamaha 660 petcock part number, if you wish to replace.
Are you using fresh fuel, there should be a nut on the bottom of the float bowl which will alow you to drain the carb. Aside from that follow Zipis recomendations about going for a ride.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Zepp on 04/13/21 at 04:19:44

Congratulations at first, to be a Savage owner! :)
And you are at the right forum to get the right advices/suggestions/trouble sorting out scheme.

I did get my a 2000 Savage, that was sitting 6 years in a garage, a real garage Queen, very low milage.. everyone think its brand new.

In any way.. its a very simple bike, to own, to drive and to maintain!

Soo, even as it is this simple bike, one can always run in to problems?
One higlited problem on this site is the vacum petkock issue, and there are solutions for that!

I can tell that my 20 year vacum petcock is still working, no craklings in the vacum tube, and no lose fittings!

Then there is clogged airfilter.. easy to replace.. for almoste no money at all.. you can do it yourself! :)

And then.. there is a carburator on this bike, that is made of soft aluminimum and the jets is often made of brass!

In any case, the carburator could be clogged by residues of old petrol, the jets could fetch some of this?

And then.. you and I dont know if former owners have don enything to the jets of the carburator?

Im kind of sure.. to 90% that owner of this kind of bike dont tweaks about jets anyhow.. at least if they keept the original exhauste?

I do have a another one on my bike, its a Leo Vince Silvertail Slip on, its a Italian brand and its a Slip on, one dont need to do any other adjustments, it supose to have a better look? :)

Thats about that, IE about modifications and the famouse petkock issue!

To that, even if ones original vacum petkock is working, there is a petkock filter issue, for every bike, and that is if the petkock filter is clogged.. mayby mostly on old bikes, standing several years in a garage.

Its one of the easyest things to examine, if one is young and handy, and drain the tank before!

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/13/21 at 05:07:03

4D5E475E5356545F5E5A47370 wrote:

Tighten the battery connections, turn the petcock to 'reserve' or pri, go for a ride. If the same thing happens, it's not the petcock.
Step by step elimination, not guessing.
Cheers! 8-)

I’ve ran it on all settings, because I ride it and end up running out of gas. Reserve, Fuel and even Off (for good Measure. Yeah, off works! ;D)

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/13/21 at 05:19:00

An aftermarket petcock has three positions; ON, OFF, & RES (reserve). If yours has ON, OFF & PRI (prime), then you have an OEM style.

There are two types of OEM petcocks; ones that have failed, and ones that are going to. If you have the OEM petcock do yourself a favor and replace it with a genuine OEM Yamaha Raptor petcock, part number 5LP-24500-01-00. Do not get a knock-off or one that "fits"...get the original.

When the OEM petcock fails, it allows fuel to enter the vacuum circuit of the carb and as a result the carb responds in unintended ways. Further, the failed petcock allows fuel to continue flowing into the carb when the bike isn't running, potentially allowing fuel into the crankcase. This results in another set of running issues.

Most strange running problems such as your can be resolved with the Raptor petcock.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Tocsik on 04/13/21 at 06:59:25

Congrats and welcome!
Once you've ruled-out an OEM vacuum petcock problem, a loose battery connection, clogged air filter or bad spark plug, you're most likely looking at pulling the carb and cleaning/inspecting. Great resources on this forum so you should be fine if you've done anything like this in the past. You mention the PO drilled out the main jet? I would suggest ordering a new jet to throw in there while going through things.
Read the guides on here regarding the carb. The factory screws can be a pain to get out, especially if you don't have a JIS screwdriver set. I ended up having to gently use an impact screwdriver to get mine out. Gently. The carb is aluminum. SS allen head cap screws can be sourced at Ace hardware and those specs are in the guides.
Be sure to add your location and altitude to your signature to get the best help from the experts here.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/13/21 at 07:12:36

73797D777C757178262024140 wrote:

I just got in contact with previous owner. It is from a raptor. Here is a photo of what I’ve got going on.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/13/21 at 07:18:53

5F64687862600B0 wrote:

Concerning the jets, I live in Nc and my altitude is 553ft...not sure what size jets go in these bikes honestly. I’m not an expert at carbs but I am still learning. Also, where would I buy jets for this bike? It sounds like Chinese ones or cheap stuff on this bike is failure to launch! :o

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/13/21 at 07:27:44

I just went for a small ride with the battery screws tightened and the reserve (“prime”) on. No difference!

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Tocsik on 04/13/21 at 07:34:09

Start with a bit of reading:

Things every savage newb should know...: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344399573

A guide for almost everything possible on the Savage: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1181745927

Carb cleanup: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1191899985

Lancer's place for parts: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1338581006

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/13/21 at 07:45:29

OK, good you have an updated petcock. We need one one piece of information before we can eliminate the petcock. On the right side of the carb, on the forward end there is a hose fitting. That fitting should have a rubber or plastic cap on it. If the fitting is exposed/open, you will need to block that. If it is blocked, we can move on.

Do not rejet the bike just yet. A main jet being off by a size or two will not result in a bike that will not rev out. However, a drilled main is what size? Moreover, a jet should have a near-polished ID. Did the previous owner use a hand drill, a press, a ream...we don't know. Let's inspect a few static items before we go chasing unknowns. If you get the bike running well, you "may" want to swap out the drilled jet. Do you have an aftermarket exhaust and/or airfilter on the bike? That kind of helps to zero-in on the correct main jet. But like I said...there are other things to check first.

A fouled spark plug is "unlikely", but it is possible. For the sake of good order you could replace the plug and eliminate a variable.

To inspect the diaphragm you can just simply rotate the carb. To rotate the carb you can remove the throttle cable and fuel line. Loosen the forward and rear clamps and twist the carb to the right side of the bike. From there you can remove the top plate of the carb and inspect the slide area. If the diaphragm is damaged or dry, it gets replaced. There is no way to repair this.

Let us know what you find.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/13/21 at 08:11:27

7F44485842402B0 wrote:

Thanks for the info. I’m just trying to get other riders input and help, it’s why I posted.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Zepp on 04/13/21 at 08:13:30

273021273A273C313026550 wrote:

I just went for a small ride with the battery screws tightened and the reserve (“prime”) on. No difference!

And how about the airfilter?

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/13/21 at 08:27:11

6A60646E656C68613F393D0D0 wrote:

He used a hand drill. He has a YouTube channel. Here is the carb rebuild video https://youtu.be/CvMbrAylLjE

Also, this is pictures of sides. Btw when I tried to take the carb off before (I barely touched it, but oil came out of the clamp you see in the picture. I don’t know if that’s normal or not.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/13/21 at 08:28:01

1F203535450 wrote:

[quote author=273021273A273C313026550 link=1618270792/0#13 date=1618324064]I just went for a small ride with the battery screws tightened and the reserve (“prime”) on. No difference!

And how about the airfilter?[/quote]

Wouldn’t know how the heck to get to the thing

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/13/21 at 09:07:54

OK, I watched that video...painful.

The main jet is way too large and its bore is a disaster. For example, if you needed a 150 main jet, the bore is 1.5mm or 0.0590". The gent who rebuilt the carb used a 0.0625 bit, or 1.5875mm or equivalent to a 160 jet. But he also ham-fisted the drilling and made a mess of the bore. I'm guessing that it's closer to a 165 jet with a disturbed flow. I'd buy a 150 main jet and replace that buggered-up main.

Also, I did see that the rebuilder checked the float height...never...when reassembling that carb. The float height should be 1.06" to 1.114". This will need to be rechecked and adjusted if necessary.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/13/21 at 10:35:17

52585C565D545059070105350 wrote:

OK, I watched that video...painful.

The main jet is way too large and its bore is a disaster. For example, if you needed a 150 main jet, the bore is 1.5mm or 0.0590". The gent who rebuilt the carb used a 0.0625 bit, or 1.5875mm or equivalent to a 160 jet. But he also ham-fisted the drilling and made a mess of the bore. I'm guessing that it's closer to a 165 jet with a disturbed flow. I'd buy a 150 main jet and replace that buggered-up main.

Also, I did see that the rebuilder checked the float height...ever...when reassembling that carb. The float height should be 1.06" to 1.114". This will need to be rechecked and adjusted if necessary.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Zepp on 04/13/21 at 11:38:24

667160667B667D707167140 wrote:

[quote author=1F203535450 link=1618270792/15#17 date=1618326810][quote author=273021273A273C313026550 link=1618270792/0#13 date=1618324064]I just went for a small ride with the battery screws tightened and the reserve (“prime”) on. No difference!

And how about the airfilter?[/quote]

Wouldn’t know how the heck to get to the thing[/quote]

Forget about the airfilter a time, focus on the carburator and all the jets!

One take the main seat of and then the right side panel.. and then you can take the airfilter box side panel of! :-?

And im 99% safe that its not the famous vacum petkock problem anyhow!

I got this 2000 Savage, and the original vacum petkock is working, I think its a nice thing to have, it stops the flow of gas if the engin is of.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Zepp on 04/13/21 at 11:50:08

627564627F6279747563100 wrote:

[quote author=52585C565D545059070105350 link=1618270792/15#20 date=1618330074]OK, I watched that video...painful.

The main jet is way too large and its bore is a disaster. For example, if you needed a 150 main jet, the bore is 1.5mm or 0.0590". The gent who rebuilt the carb used a 0.0625 bit, or 1.5875mm or equivalent to a 160 jet. But he also ham-fisted the drilling and made a mess of the bore. I'm guessing that it's closer to a 165 jet with a disturbed flow. I'd buy a 150 main jet and replace that buggered-up main.

Also, I did see that the rebuilder checked the float height...ever...when reassembling that carb. The float height should be 1.06" to 1.114". This will need to be rechecked and adjusted if necessary.

Yeah, I’m thinking maybe it was the culprit of all this...I have a 150 main jet in my hand. The bike came with lots of other stuff. Including new parts and old parts. One of them was the bag of jets he bought (idk where from) and used. I think. It says “D150” on the side of the jet.

Also, I just got my tags today!

I also need to know the tire sizes that fit this bike as mine are old...and the best priced ones..lowest, actually.[/quote]

I altso have a carburator problem I think, but it only appears on first startup at spring, my exhauste get bluer every spring. :(

The tires is ;
Front tire size 100/90-19M/C 57H
Rear tire size 140/80-15M/C 67H

https://bikeswiki.com/Suzuki_LS650_Savage_(Boulevard_S40)

I got 150/80 on my rear tire!
And the brand is Bridgstone Exedra MAX for both.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/13/21 at 12:00:06

5B647171010 wrote:

[quote author=627564627F6279747563100 link=1618270792/15#21 date=1618335317][quote author=52585C565D545059070105350 link=1618270792/15#20 date=1618330074]OK, I watched that video...painful.

The main jet is way too large and its bore is a disaster. For example, if you needed a 150 main jet, the bore is 1.5mm or 0.0590". The gent who rebuilt the carb used a 0.0625 bit, or 1.5875mm or equivalent to a 160 jet. But he also ham-fisted the drilling and made a mess of the bore. I'm guessing that it's closer to a 165 jet with a disturbed flow. I'd buy a 150 main jet and replace that buggered-up main.

Also, I did see that the rebuilder checked the float height...ever...when reassembling that carb. The float height should be 1.06" to 1.114". This will need to be rechecked and adjusted if necessary.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/13/21 at 16:10:33

040E0A000B02060F515753630 wrote:

I put my big gal panties on and took the carb off. It was an interesting process. Annoying and I’ll probably need help getting it back on.
But he had a 130 in there. I keep trying to get it out but it keeps just going and going and screwing and screwing moving nowhere. Idk what I did. (my fault..I don’t know how to get it unstuck.) but the diaphragm is flawless. The carb is very clean. Everything seems to be in order. No clogs or anything. I need to get this get out ASAP!

The float, I’m not sure how to measure it. I never had to do it.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/14/21 at 12:29:37

Ok I got the stuck jet out. Went from under the inside of the carb and pushed up on the other ref and screwed out the main jet, it’s a 130. I don’t have the right jets on hand so I need to order some ASAP. The other jet is a 70. The one under the diaphragm. Can’t remember what the other screw was.

Diaphragm is fine, peacock is fine. Everything is fine. Carb is very clean. I’m not sure about the float as I’m not too sure about how to go about measuring it. I also need to be told how to properly screw in the main jet. How many turns out that is.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/14/21 at 12:50:50

To measure the float height you need to balance the float to the point where it is just touching the needle valve, and then measure the gap between the flange of the float bowel to the closest point of the float itself. Check the How-to section, there are photos.

Typically the air jets under the diaphragm are left in place.

The jets are threaded, so just like a bolt or screw the are screwed into place until they are well seated. Keep in mind that the jets themselves are brass and will strip very easily. So when it bottoms out...stop turning.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/14/21 at 13:05:17

For the life of me, I can’t find that float guide with pictures, or any guide.

I’m gonna take some pics hang on

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/14/21 at 13:35:24

https://imgur.com/a/9PwkxYk

Let me know if you can’t see the album!

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/14/21 at 14:42:04

Google search.

From what I can see in the photos you posted, your float will require adjustment. Do a youtube search to see how its done.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/14/21 at 14:54:10

You said: The float height should be 1.06" to 1.114". This will need to be rechecked and adjusted if necessary.

Is that in inches,cm,mm..?
Sorry, bad at measurements; math and anything to do with measurements were my weak spots in school. which tool is that being used in the picture?

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Zepp on 04/14/21 at 15:05:54

Im reading frome the Clymer manual.. float level;

26.95-28.95, mm.
1,06-1,114, inch.
For every year!
And than it says, hold the carburator upside down, dont push the float down, just let it rest on the float needle.
Ofcourse there is a picture of this, that I cant provide.
In any case.. I thought that buying a Clymer manual should do everythng easyer.. its a thick book!

To that, frome 1995 and forward, in US and Europe I think.. execept GB.

Main jet says 145, needle jet says, X-7M, Pilot jet says 52,5mm.

Its this strange thing, both GB and Australia have other jets/needles?
Probably some exhauste regulation.. in my backhead I remember/or dreamed it, the later Aussie bikes dont rev that high? :-/

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/14/21 at 15:07:45

Maybe an elevation thing?

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/14/21 at 15:12:21

Set the float height at 1-1/16 inch, but not more than 1-1/8 inch.

In the United States, the “ symbol is used to show inches. The ‘ symbol is used to show feet.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Zepp on 04/14/21 at 15:14:26

607766607D607B767761120 wrote:

Maybe an elevation thing?

Probably not.. becuse both GB and Australia is Islands, and totaly different climates.

Must be something about exhauste regulations?

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Zepp on 04/14/21 at 15:29:29

Gary get a great picture how to measure, but hold the carburator upside down.. and its the part that gasket lays on to be measured to.

And I did find the Clymer manual online for you to read;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-SYGAaTtZiuMUE4RFk1Q3d0Q1k/view

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 04/14/21 at 16:52:25

That carb doesn't look very clean to me.

The diaphragm looks a little dry and dirty around the edges. It might not have been properly seated. I would like to see the slide.

The main jet looks a little rough like it might have been drilled out. The screw holding the needle seat in place looks new.

The carb looks like it had been sitting a long time at some point in its life and someone "rebuilt" it. (Rebuilt it code for "I sprayed nuts in there, stripped out a few things and put a couple of jets I got off ebay in there." )

I wouldn't trust that anything is as it should be.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/14/21 at 17:09:48

6C6B6A6C6E6C776C030 wrote:

You catch on fast. The carb was indeed rebuilt by the previous owner because the bike had been sitting for 8 years. I’m impressed at your eagle eye. However you can find out the story and video of the guy actually rebuilding the carb on the previous posts on this thread if you would like to find out more. Besides the carb float and a couple of stained brass, it looks a heck of a lot better than it used to! It used to have a lot of gunk and old gas. That isn’t the main diaphragm, it’s the smaller one. I tossed that picture in there just because I did a whole dump.

Previous owner did buy a rebuild kit and rebuilt it.

I’d buy a new carb and put it in but I have no idea what carb to use. It sucks.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/14/21 at 17:12:19

5D575359525B5F56080E0A3A0 wrote:

Set the float height at 1-1/16 inch, but not more than 1-1/8 inch.

In the United States, the “ symbol is used to show inches. The ‘ symbol is used to show feet.

No, I know the whole inches and feet thing some people ive ran into use “ as Mm for some reason and I got confused a little. And when I worked on my China bike it was all Mm. I am new to floats though, as my China bike actually came with perfect settings on both carbs lol

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/14/21 at 17:17:25

6562636567657E650A0 wrote:

I misunderstood your first post and thought the video was of someone else hacking up the carb. lol

Yeah that was the previous owner. That’s his YouTube channel. Basically he got the bike for free, he fixed it up to “good enough”, practiced on it, dropped it, after a few months of riding said “good enough” and I bought it..and he lied about the whole carb issue. My stupidity but hey, I’m trying to make it right..

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 04/14/21 at 17:21:53

2A3D2C2A372A313C3D2B580 wrote:

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I misunderstood your first post and thought the video was of someone else hacking up the carb. lol

Also, the quote format on here sucks. It would be helpful to put more space or lines between the quoted text and your reply. It will make it much easier to follow along. (EDIT: Like you just did. NM lol)

Lance sells carb kit and there is some other carb guy out there that does a plug and play LS650 kit. I forget the name off the to of my head but someone just did one on here recently.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/14/21 at 17:24:28

A plug and play? Oooooo....I have got to find the person who’s done that!! Oooo let me know if you find them!!

And I messaged lancer.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 04/14/21 at 17:26:31

It was Murray's carbs. Not sure how it compares to Lancers Kit. But I think both are plug and play. Lancer is always on here for support if that makes a difference.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/14/21 at 17:29:22

I shall wait for his response so I can talk to him haha. Because jesus this is a headache. I actually have a bike that is smaller and more cramped. I could’ve cried when I saw how close the carb was to the frame, air box, everything. It was hell to change but I got it done. This I assume I might mess up putting back on but Atleast I have help. I have all the parts and such but getting it back into the perfect position...yikes. I took the breather off and an O-ring clamp popped off from...somewhere. And I’m not talking about the two at each end. There was a bloody third one!

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 04/14/21 at 17:42:06

I think DC motive (Spamy on here) might do kits too.

You will be further ahead to get a kit or poney up for a carb that was known to be good. Salvage yards like Pinwall often get wrecked bikes that were running before they part them out.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/20/21 at 14:02:55

Took the carb apart and gave it a good clean. Now just waiting on some new jets to come. Float adjustment is still tricky for me I have no clue what I’m doing.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/20/21 at 14:04:43

Oh! And when I took the air flow screw out there were bits of brass and dirt inside of there. I’m guessing that might be the culprit when it came to dirt. Fingers crossed for when the jets get here!

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/21/21 at 06:16:52

The little bits of brass can be a problem. For the sake of good order I would flush all of the circuits of the carm. Get a can of carb cleaner and use the little red wand. Insert the wand into each circuit (orifice or hole) and give it a one or two second squirt.

I usually do this over disposable roasting pan, this way I can see what came out of the carb and it contains the mess. Also - YOU MUST WEAR SAFETY GLASSES. It's hard to anticipate where the out flow will come from.

Now that you have had the carb apart and have had a chance to see how the float works, pay attention to how the float "tang" contacts the needle valve. Just as the float makes contact with the valve - just before the valve begins to move into the carb body - is where you want to take your measurement.

Once you have your "ah-ha" moment you'll realize just how simple the measurement is.

You got this. You're doing a great job so far.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 04/21/21 at 06:32:24

4842464C474E4A431D1B1F2F0 wrote:

Thanks, I already did all of that days ago. Besides the measurement, I have yet to do that. thanks for the advice. It’s like a small puzzle lol. Hopefully my jets come today.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/02/21 at 06:32:06

Bike is fixed! The top speed is incredibly underwhelming. I hit about 75mph max, full throttle, though I am a heavy rider. I’m going to upgrade to a higher CC bike so it can accommodate me. It’s been a journey, that’s for sure.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by verslagen1 on 05/02/21 at 10:11:18

Bike maybe running but it's not fixed.
You should be able to get 80+ on the flat.
I got that going uphill.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/02/21 at 11:03:21

Perhaps I shall tinker some more to get it right, then.
But you have to take into account cargo and dead weight (me).
Very very very nearly 300LBs dead weight.
Otherwise, it rides AWESOME!!!

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by verslagen1 on 05/02/21 at 16:02:09

I don't think 50 lbs will make go that much slower.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/03/21 at 05:19:34

Retro,

The bike should be able to exceed 80 mph. But if that is a speed that you regularly ride, then you are right, the Savage isn't the right bike for you. In my opinion, the LS650 is great for 50-60mph back roads and the occasional 60-70mph use. There are many here who flog their bikes at 70+ all day long - and I'm sure they'll take their turn to tell me how I'm wrong - but the Savage just sucks on the highway. I own a lot of bikes, and have owned over 30 over the years, and the Savage would be my last choice for high-speed highway use.

Get a more capable bike and enjoy the ride.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/03/21 at 21:06:50

464C48424940444D131511210 wrote:

It is great for back roads! That’s where I take it. I’ve laid a couple hundreds miles on it in like two days. It’s awesome to ride, I have rode it every day since it’s been out of the garage. it really is a phenomenal bike...for someone else. I haven’t had a single issue with it since the carb has been rejetted and I don’t flog the bike at 75. And whoever does, I’m surprised their engine isn’t blown. I hit it once to test its top mph and rolled back the throttle because a few things: tickets, crashes and I’d like to be safe. Hitting 75 on a back road with a bunch of hazards like driveways and intersections is not safe. Now it could’ve been the terrain I was on, what I was carrying, or just conditions. I am not going to test it again, honestly. I don’t wanna die trying to push a bike to 80mph. I don’t go near 75, ever on a regular basis. No one should unless they are on a highway. Yes, I’m that kind of person. I do not tolerate “Jackassery” it’s just not my style. I’ve never taken the savage on a highway, and never will. Honestly, no joking here, I’m done. The seller has pissed me off because he lied to me (which I found out he is stalking me on this website. Which is...creepy and he’s a coward for doing what he did and a pathetic human being.) about it working fine, and having to deal with the bull crap that I’ve dealt with? I’m done. I have literally been covered in gasoline because I was trying to set the float and test the levels, my jet got lost in the mail (not that it’s the senders fault, the USPS treats mail like it’s just some kind of ‘who can damage it the most’ contest and they’re the apes trying to wrangle it), some other bad stuff happened in my life and I have a LOT on my plate. I refuse to stress out over this bike. I’ve gotten fuel in my eyes trying to do the tests that have been recommended here (not saying it’s bad advice but it went hilariously wrong for me! We had a bunch of laughs, honestly. Like I said, a journey.) to test float levels and it’s just set me to the point where I have set the float on the carb, I rejetted it, I took the first test ride...and it felt great. the bike runs great for me to practice on and then move on to something else. That’s what I bought it for. Not to be a speed demon, not to do serious stuff on it, and I don’t plan to keep it forever. I just bought it for weekend rides and practice, and I couldn’t even do that because the seller... because of that issue it left such a bad taste in my mouth I just don’t want to deal with it anymore and I will never buy a used bike again. It’s like a bad omen honestly. I’ve dumped enough money and time into something that I thought I wouldn’t get scammed on and would meet my personal expectations in the end and it didn’t and that’s the chapter closed.

It takes a LOT to make me throw my hands up and walk away on something, especially a bike. And I own a Chinese motorcycle that I built myself and did all of the engine work myself and it runs flawlessly for god sakes. I have had a few hiccups on the China bike because I learn as I go, but I got through it. I am totally fine with it because I never gave up. Because I’m stubborn as HECK and it’s hard for me to let something go. But I just can’t right now. Due to reasons that I’m not willing to put up with and my personal life, I’m not going to stress over it.

The only good thing that came out of this is that I learned more mechanic tricks. And for that I’m grateful. I am forever grateful for the help and education I have received on this forum. But things turned out different, and I hate that. I hate that I had a bad experience with this bike. And I don’t care to complain or be a Karen or whatever the Internet says, which it’s just that, the Internet, but that is the brutal truth. And if someone is frustrated or annoyed with me because I decide what I decide, well, that’s their problem and they can get right over it and focus on their own issues.

That’s that. I’m gonna go shopping for a new bike now.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Fast 650 on 05/03/21 at 23:40:22

75 mph is only about 5000 rpm, you aren't going to hurt it at that speed. With a stock engine I don't think you can even get it reach 6500 rpm in 5th gear unless you have an exceptionally good running bike. So don't worry that you are revving it too hard on the highway, it is turning slower than you think it is.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by niceast on 05/04/21 at 09:58:56

So it was just the main jet?

The bike was tuned during winter the air was colder and denser.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/04/21 at 10:59:10

26212B2D293B3C480 wrote:

Lets talk
lets focus on the positive, your seller:
(1) lowered asking price, over 600, to your offer
(2) delivered to your door step over 200 miles, at no cost
(3) had no previously problem before changing hands
(4) showed up in full motorcycle gear to conduct a demo ride (none was requested)
(5) answered questions about motorcycle even after been threaten to be sued.
(6) shared video channel to share knowledge about motorcycle.

Finally, the stalker speaks.
Actually, you are lying now.
For other forum members: I DO NOT condone calling anyone out but I don’t want anyone else being scammed or lied to by this person. Here’s what’s happening. Mods I apologize in advance, but lord help me with this one.

1- your price was set high and you knew the bike would sell for a cheap price, as long as you had your money, you didn’t care. You got the bike for free. It was just a profit to you, Jordan. You were lucky you got the money you did. I paid about $500 to darn much for it, too.

2- Distance traveled from your address to mine: 98 miles round trip. IN WHICH I PAID YOU AND YOUR FRIEND $50 TO DO. So no, it wasn’t in kind heart, it was just more money for you.!I know where you live, your address is on the documents. Google it! You wanted to get rid of the bike badly and you knew, you and your friend, Alex, KNEW that this was your chance to sell so you took it. You did it for your own benefit. And when you arrived, the bike was rocking back and forth like it was on a ship. You didn’t even strap it down properly!

3- You made it seem like there were no previous problems, but looking back at the description of the throttle on the marketplace post “throttle is finicky about being smooth” and when I asked about it you said “oh that just means it’s not a race bike and isn’t going to go fast” and quickly took it out of the description of the marketplace , the markings on said throttle that you made that indicate exactly where it would sputter and looking back at your videos proves otherwise. Stop trying to get out of taking accountability. Stop being stubborn, stop lying it just makes you look like more of a coward. I found bits of brass in the carburetor, remnants from the jet you so recklessly drilled to fit. You fixed the bike to “good enough” and sold it. That’s exactly what you did. Now you’ve moved on to another bike that you will ride for a bit, sell to some poor soul when it’s half in the junk yard and count the bills as you walk away. You are a scam artist.

4- showed up, said you wanted to ride it but decided otherwise! wonder why?? To get in full get up but then you meet me and you get too nervous to even ride the bike because you knew I would find out about it. You didn’t offer a demo, a confident seller would. I rode it in my yard, everything was fine, but of course I didn’t go above 10mph. when we got to my house I told you you can ride it, you got antsy and you declined. You declined to ride the motorcycle AFTER and BEFORE it was sold. I said “come on, take it for a ride” I encouraged you. you backed up and said “no” while fumbling for words. I didn’t ride it because that would’ve been illegal. No one is forcing you to ride or not ride your own motorcycle. You made that decision yourself, and to lie about it is some kind of sad.

5- you answered questions about it BEFORE when I found out the problem, when I threatened to take you to court because you sold me a lemon, you only offered to actually take action and help AFTER I mentioned the word court. We set up a date for me to bring it to you, however something came up and I forgot about it. I apologized and you threw a hissy fit and was like “it’s your problem now” so I said ok. I’m gonna fix the bike and get it in a better condition than you had it and make sure it runs properly. Also, I wouldn’t let you near this bike with the knowledge of you that I know now. An actual fb message I sent to you after trying to blame me for doing something: “ Let me break it down. I get the bike delivered, you get it off the truck, I ride it in my yard to make sure it runs. I take your Facebook post, word of mouth and trust it. I don’t go down the road because I don’t know this bike and it has no plates. Seems like a reputable thing when you have the maintenance log and you seem like an honest dude. When I finally can ride it in a safe environment, I hit close to 50 and it starts sputtering. I said “no problem maybe it’s the gas.” That is when I contacted you. My guess is as good as yours, I have not done any work to the bike at all. I do not know the carb so I didn’t touch it, yes I asked questions about the carb but have not touched the carburetor or adjusted anything. The most I did was take the seat off, then I stopped because I didn’t want to mess anything up. For legal reasons and for the sake of messing anything up.” I can post the ENTIRETY of our exchange in words if I need to. I have nothing to hide. I tucked away the court talk and was WILLING to work with you and hear you out but you’ve pissed me off to the point of no return, son. But that’s alright for me because i fixed the bike. Your damage has been done. All you care about is protecting your name, Jordan. You don’t care about the bike. You don’t care how you scammed me. You don’t care about anything but yourself and how you’re represented.

6. NO ONE SHOULD FOLLOW YOUR VIDEOS. They offer HORRIBLE advice like drilling into jets. You think you’ve accomplished something when you’ve done it wrong and refuse to acknowledge those mistakes.

And to add on to this, you are now stalking me. Stop stalking me, it’s WEIRD. It’s CREEPY. STOP. If you try to contact me, even commenting on my threads, on here, on Facebook, anywhere, I will file against you legally, man. I am not joking. Stop it. You know my address and are unpredictable. You could have serious mental issues for all I know.

You are a scammer and you thought you had the best of somebody but you got found out and then you lied about it and now you’re just doing damage control to cover your own name and stalking. Stop it. Accept your mistakes and leave me alone.

Edit: now you’ve backtracked and edited your post. Thank god for the quoting format of replying on this forum to show your shadiness. You seriously just messed up. You needed up getting exposed on a public forum and embarrassed yourself. By the way, you guys might remember him from this exact same problem thread by him: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1605231159/0

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/04/21 at 11:13:03

Now, dealing with scammers and abrasive know it all aside, I’m proud to say the bike hit 80mph today. So it seems to be working as normal. I could’ve gone faster but I honestly wasn’t comfortable and was also running out of road.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by niceast on 05/04/21 at 11:40:15

(0) talking ill about about someone is a bad habit, stop it.
(1) So a main jet and you consider that a motorcycle half way in the junk yard?
(2) I am the one who shared this website with you and Offer many ways to help.
(3) my driver had to travel a lot further than you are assuming.
(4) you say your not going to ride above highway speed so this whole thread was to be a story teller.
(5) I mark the throttle oct 11, 2020 at 8:31pm I have the video, didn’t figure it was a bad zone until I took it for a test ride right after, but yeah the drill main jet worked for me. And I tuned it in the middle of winter near 40 degrees

Weird a new main jet fix it? You fixed it though.

Like many other members say the bike is great for below 65mph cruising. Even you confirm you don’t like ride the higher speeds.

No one wants to read all of that. Keep it short and simple.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/04/21 at 11:54:35

4F484244405255210 wrote:

I told you, don’t contact me. Expect to hear from law enforcement. I will be filing a police report today.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 05/04/21 at 13:18:04

I remember niceast and I actually wondered if you wound up with his bike.

I wasn't impressed with his hackery and he basically told me to stick it up my tushy. lol

7A7D7C7A787A617A150 wrote:

Please don't take this as being negative, but something isn't right.

Needing a main jet that large to get over 60 mph??? It just doesn't add up. (If I had to guess it would be because the needle isn't OE and is probably also much larger than stock.)

For reference my bike will do an easy 75-80mph (but not much after that) on a 147.5 main. Or it may be a 145 main? I don't remember exactly anymore, but I know I'm running a little leaner than most on here. It had a 155 main in there when I bought it and it was a turd.

My point is that you should be able to get 90-95% full performance from stock jetting. If you can't do that then you only have a solution for the symptom and not the problem.

But if you are happy with what you have now, then more power to you! :)

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3A3D3731352720540 wrote:

My background:
Mechanical engineering masters and undergraduate.

Justification:
Motorcycle was designed before 1986. A time before FEA and advance computer calculations. No where near today’s capabilities. Precision of motorcycle efficiency were hand calculated. So I can sleep easy, drilling the main jet orifices. If you wish to challenge please present 4-5 page research paper on a study of fluid dynamics and aerodynamics + 10 scholarly references/journals/articles that predate 1986. Must show your own work and using FEA software for your original examples. Late work not accepted.

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Well...you just went from needing help to an expert in a hurry (and you're still wrong ;D). But it's working for you so carry on. :)

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 05/04/21 at 13:21:07

And for the record I have gone over 85 on my bike and 270lbs (I get bigger every year. :( ) It takes a little time to stretch its legs once you get over 75 mph. My guess is that it might go 90...downhill.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/04/21 at 13:25:48

Oh yeah Ohio...I do remember that thread. I also remember Niceast acting as a complete asshat towards the end of that thread.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/04/21 at 13:34:15

7C7B7A7C7E7C677C130 wrote:

I remember niceast and I actually wondered if you wound up with his bike.

I wasn't impressed with his hackery and he basically told me to stick it up my tushy. lol

[quote author=7A7D7C7A787A617A150 link=1605231159/30#33 date=1607051379]Please don't take this as being negative, but something isn't right.

Needing a main jet that large to get over 60 mph??? It just doesn't add up. (If I had to guess it would be because the needle isn't OE and is probably also much larger than stock.)

For reference my bike will do an easy 75-80mph (but not much after that) on a 147.5 main. Or it may be a 145 main? I don't remember exactly anymore, but I know I'm running a little leaner than most on here. It had a 155 main in there when I bought it and it was a turd.

My point is that you should be able to get 90-95% full performance from stock jetting. If you can't do that then you only have a solution for the symptom and not the problem.

But if you are happy with what you have now, then more power to you! :)

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3A3D3731352720540 wrote:

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Well...you just went from needing help to an expert in a hurry (and you're still wrong ;D). But it's working for you so carry on. :)

[/quote]

Yeah, now you know the type of guy he is. A dishonorable man.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/04/21 at 13:36:12

33393D373C353138666064540 wrote:

Oh yeah Ohio...I do remember that thread. I also remember Niceast acting as a complete asshat towards the end of that thread.

I could’ve used you guys to be warned about him. He should take his own advice and stop “speaking ill of people.”

It’s a bad habit. ;)

That’s ok though, I just got back from the police station. They tried to call him but he has a google number (sketchy, lol) if he keeps on they’ll knock on his door. ;D

And he thinks just the main jet was fixed. I won’t tell him what else. Maybe his big mechanics brain can figure it out?

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/04/21 at 14:03:54

5750515755574C57380 wrote:

Yeah she was slow getting to 80..and I was like “that’s great and all but I’m running out of straight road here!” ;D

I think sitting for (what seller told me) 8 years may have an effect on its performance? It’s also 20. So it might not get up and go like it used to. Then again I’m unsure of bikes. And I’m dealing with the carb and what I’m having to deal with....as you have seen. So I’m always trying my best. I don’t know if he ever changed the petcock to a LEGIT real raptor one or not or was too boar headed and full of pride to even acknowledge anyone’s advice...

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 05/04/21 at 14:13:56

Yes, sitting for 8 years could cause all sorts of problems. That's why I said he only fixed the symptom by drilling out the jet. It might have got the bike running but something was likely to "give".

Here's my take (not knowing what else you replaced)...drilling the jet got the bike running. Running the bike eventually pulled enough fuel through the carb to clear some sort of blockage and then it ran like poop.

Or...it could have been a million other things. lol

But it sounds like it's running good now. I would be interested in what all it took if you ever decide to share.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/05/21 at 17:29:07

Well, I just sold my Savage...

I made sure I was honest about the issues and what I knew OF the bike and what I had experienced. I really wanted to be condor about the bike because I didn’t want them to get ripped off like I did. However if there’s other problems, i wasn’t aware of them. I was just told what the seller told me and what I found on the bike. The carb issue. They were up for the challenge of making it work 100% and seemed pretty satisfied with their purchase. I didn't want to be like the guy who sold to me.

The upside is I made a profit because I DID fix it to a degree and I’m happy about that.
I will miss Pearl. But she was a little too sassy for me. So it’s time to move on. I am sad that I no longer have a motorcycle, but am happy that someone else gets to experience a savage and she will be taken care of. Hopefully I can get the bike of my dreams now!

Thank you everyone for your help and kindness. It really meant a lot and I couldn’t have even fixed the bike without you.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Zepp on 05/06/21 at 13:44:33

Its this, you have tried and then sold the bike.
You have probably learned something.. and even about carburators.
In any way you are a big guy/heavy weigt, it seldome compromise the top speed, it only take more time.

Its come to the purpose of owning a bike and in with conditions one like to ride.

In any way.. Im retired, moste of my friends too.. and some have Harleys, others got Ducatis or Triumph and one have a Suzuki GSX 1400.. he want a muscel bike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GSX1400

Its still this.. whats the purpose of riding a bike?

And I can put up some sugestions.. its a nice thing to do, ( you have alredy experianced this), comuting in good wheather, (or bad) riding whit friends.. or to make new friends that altso like to go biking.

To that, biking is a kind of cultural thing altso.. style, ( wona look like a "real biker"), purpose, your friends goes long trips on heavy cruisers, or juste shows up and "shows of" to make everone other to be amased.. and there are more to that!

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/06/21 at 19:31:24

4F706565150 wrote:

I have not many friends, if I’m honest. Not because I’m unpopular or a loser, but making friends as an adult is hard because of scheduling. None that ride and none that really are near me. I want a bike I can do a few trips on and commute with! I just like to wear my protective gear. Not leather or look like a biker. I’m not into clubs, gangs or cliques. Though I think it would be fun to ride with someone one day. That would be a dream!
I actually put down a deposit on a 2021 Honda Rebel 1100 DCT today with the money I got from the bike, I also paid off a loan. So in august, I will be getting my new bike. If anyone would like, I can post about how it feels and the concept and experience of DCT? If they are interested of course…I don’t want to waste anyone’s time. But I know you’re a curious lot haha. And I don’t want anyone thinking that I chose this bike over the other because it’s better or something. They’re both good bikes! I’ve sat on the bike I’m buying (not the exact one, but the same model) but haven’t ridden it. It is as light weight as the Savage. The rebel I sat on sold before I sold my bike and they are so popular they keep selling out, hence the deposit and two month wait :'(

But if I can contain at least a little bit of patience, hopefully I’ll be hitting the road again soon. ;D

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 05/06/21 at 20:51:28

Congrats on the big Rebel.

They say "You meet the niceast people on a Honda" or something like that. ;)

http://https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vlDgcThRvns/WbakOqcLwKI/AAAAAAACzyg/qdWdgV_YmH4un00lkwSn7BwoF6ZiXuwYQCLcBGAs/s1600/you-meet-the-nicest-people-on-a-honda-13.jpg

I have never felt the need for a large displacement bike (as long as we aren't talking about a touring bike) but a large Honda did catch my eye recently.

http://https://powersports.honda.com/street/standard/-/media/products/family/cb1000r/trims/trim-main/cb1000r-black-edition/2021/2021-cb1000r-black-edition-graphite_black-650x380.png

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/07/21 at 06:08:02

Congrats on the Rebel...great choice. Yeah, post up your thoughts on the Rebel.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by DragBikeMike on 05/07/21 at 10:56:01

Good luck with your new Rebel Retro.

Ohiomoto, what is that thing? Wow! That's a slick ride. What model is it? Got any additional info? I'm lovin that thing.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 05/07/21 at 11:23:30

DBM, It's the updated 2021 CB1000R and it's $$$.

https://powersports.honda.com/street/standard/cb1000r?year=2021

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FzvGmIjfww[/media]

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 05/07/21 at 18:36:30

The reason the big CB caught my eye is that it reminded me of the Indian FTR 1200 but better looking IMO. It's less expensive too, but I doubt I'd every buy either. The FTR concept bike...maybe. :)

FTR 1200 Concept
http://https://www.cnet.com/a/img/-fTNmM5avQNoiklHVIwHMJp8VZw=/940x528/2018/06/18/f5f16b7d-5e4d-4d80-a297-8416d96de0d3/indian-ftr1200-01.jpg

Production FTR 1200
http://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/kjE3yu5g55MrucrlpW_Hm5qOai8GdQYZmG7e0WmUlgLLe4-_CRdTJ9YpgKzp6AH6Oz09Se_i0oCQ872mvur47tjOkYglobCYF2afuoovRhTCwcm6kXxRg46eMLiaXsDv5G3Rlhs07JuvBffDxholx1_Bs7VcR4nmDcXNLVWoaHfyQ-vmojFszZpJSQcmVPOjOr1DUjUnw_aKTrDudf7sf_XfAwRyQg

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/07/21 at 19:42:39

393E3F393B392239560 wrote:

Ugh, he certainly didn’t live up to the name. I’m glad it’s all over. Putting that aside..

It’s not really the huge displacement that caught my eye or anything, the speed limit is 99/98…and that’s because it has basically a governor on it. Though, as you know, I do not like going fast…it was the DCT that turned me onto it. I keep going back and forth about “should I have gotten the manual model?” But it’s new tech and I can say I own one, and not worry about having to feather a clutch in traffic…and (!) you can still use paddle shifters on the handlebars and a manual mode…though I will miss rev matching and clutch, it’s fun on twisties and stuff but that’s what buying a second motorcycle is for, though. I almost bought an old school nighthawk but it’s a big seat height. Sad about that because it was beautiful. Whew buddy.

I actually thought about buying a super cub just for fun. But then I realized it doesn’t have a clutch, and I would prefer one instead of DCT on that bike.. C90adventures on YouTube did some awesome stuff on his old school one, he put that thing through hell. You should watch his Canada to Argentina series! Entertaining and really brings out how durable that little bike is.

And that’s a pretty badass bike. If I could fit a CBR, I might go with one in the future, I would like to have a sporty style bike in my collection. I’m probably going to end up with a royal enfield Himalayan more likely in the future if I’m honest, though. I like a good dual sport for a short gal like me haha

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by ohiomoto on 05/08/21 at 05:29:37

The DTC is pretty cool.

I love the old nighthawks. The retro Super Cubs are cool but at that point you're better off on the Savage IMO. I just don't think you're going to see the 60 mph top speed on the Super Cub. There are so many cool bikes out there.

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by retro on 05/08/21 at 16:45:45

6661606664667D66090 wrote:

Oh for super cub I was talking aesthetics lol. Of course it would be slow, but fun lol

Title: Re: Just bought Savage, carb trouble I think
Post by Zepp on 05/10/21 at 05:02:57

2532232538253E333224570 wrote:

[quote author=4F706565150 link=1618270792/60#70 date=1620333873]Its this, you have tried and then sold the bike.
You have probably learned something.. and even about carburators.
In any way you are a big guy/heavy weigt, it seldome compromise the top speed, it only take more time.

Its come to the purpose of owning a bike and in with conditions one like to ride.

In any way.. Im retired, moste of my friends too.. and some have Harleys, others got Ducatis or Triumph and one have a Suzuki GSX 1400.. he want a muscel bike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GSX1400

Its still this.. whats the purpose of riding a bike?

And I can put up some sugestions.. its a nice thing to do, ( you have alredy experianced this), comuting in good wheather, (or bad) riding whit friends.. or to make new friends that altso like to go biking.

To that, biking is a kind of cultural thing altso.. style, ( wona look like a "real biker"), purpose, your friends goes long trips on heavy cruisers, or juste shows up and "shows of" to make everone other to be amased.. and there are more to that!