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Message started by MnSpring on 03/27/21 at 09:59:33

Title: Show Me ...
Post by MnSpring on 03/27/21 at 09:59:33

If you show me a copy your BLM membership card,
Etc, Etc, Etc, ..., ..., ...,

I will give you something I normally sell.

Not as a reward, for being a BLM member, (etc, ...)
But as a incentive to GET a BLM membership card.

What would that be called by tt and clones ?

Title: Re: Show Me ...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/27/21 at 19:56:32

A
Get outta jail free
Card?

Title: Re: Show Me ...
Post by MnSpring on 04/03/21 at 11:06:03

Perhaps someone can explain why,

If someone says;
‘Show Me’ a DL/ID,
to get on on a airplane,
(Etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc. …)
It is Not Racist.

YET if someone says;
‘show me’, your DL/ID to Vote,
it IS Racist,

Anybody ?????
a subject of another country ?
someone looking for a chicken coop next to a bar ?
someone who frequently uses dual negatives in a sentence ?
someone who believes the current POTUS is better than sliced bread ?
Anybody ?????

Title: Re: Show Me ...
Post by Eegore on 04/03/21 at 11:37:47

"If someone says;
‘Show Me’ a DL/ID,
to get on on a airplane,
(Etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc. …)
It is Not Racist.

YET if someone says;
‘show me’, your DL/ID to Vote,
it IS Racist,"

It's not when you put it into that exact context.

If however one is allowed to factor in other circumstances, like availability of ID's then it can be, but not always, very specifically the words "can" and "be" and not including, as in fully exempting the word "always" - then in certain circumstances the process of requiring an ID to vote, can be, considered prejudiced at least.

For instance Native Americans that do not have registered street address in some cases, specifically "some" and not "all" because they live on a reservation can not get an ID.

I think the primary difference is voting is considered a "right" and flying is not. I don't think the act of requiring ID is racist for anything.

Title: Re: Show Me ...
Post by MnSpring on 04/03/21 at 18:22:16

4464666E7364010 wrote:

"... I think the primary difference is voting is considered a "right" and flying is not. ... "

Flying is a form of travel.
When did, 'travel', become NOT a 'right' ?

Title: Re: Show Me ...
Post by Eegore on 04/03/21 at 22:27:07

"Flying is a form of travel.
When did, 'travel', become NOT a 'right' ?"

We had this discussion already. Travel by any and all means possible is not an unalienable right. If this were true the "no-fly list" would have been challenged an revoked 20 years ago. A "form of" anything is not a protected right. A "right" is not without limitations - we have Free Speech but that doesn't mean we can broadcast "Fukk..Fukk...Fukk!" on a loop over the radio, or display pornography films on the side of your house. Laws still apply, restrictions still apply.

Anyone that looks into this would see that the "right" to travel does not and has never meant the means of conveyance by any and all means. It is however three separate "rights":

1: The right of a citizen to move freely between states.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-14/section-1/the-right-to-travel#fn2082amd14

Note this is not a Government Funded study. Note it does not say all means of transportation, State and Federal laws apply.

2: A citizen of one state who is temporarily visiting another state the “Privileges and Immunities” of a citizen of the latter state.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-14/section-1/the-right-to-travel#fn2083amd14

Note this is not a Government Funded study.

3: The right of a new arrival to a state, who establishes citizenship in that state, to enjoy the same rights and benefits as other state citizens.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

Note this is not a Government Funded study. It's just the good ol' 14th Amendment.

Before anyone doles out quotes from the The Constitution’s Privileges or Immunities Clause, remember they are focused on entitlements rather than natural rights. Also, if you actually read it, the more powerful Congress becomes, because of the enforcement rule in Section 5 of the 14th amendment.

Flying in an airplane is not a right.

However my references are actual US law, and US court outcomes which may not be good enough, since they show actual things that actually happen. Perhaps its better to use imagined "rights" where no real life situation supports them ever happening.