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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/21 at 08:53:42

Title: Crazy lefties
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/21 at 08:53:42
But I repeat myself


Boston Public Schools just canceled advanced classes for high-performing students because too many of the kids who qualified were white.

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by Eegore on 02/28/21 at 09:30:57
 I think any program with disparities should be investigated, however I am not sure given the methods utilized that altering the pre-requisites is the way to go.


"The program was open to all students in the Boston Public Schools who took a test known as Terra Nova in the third grade and received a high score. Those students were placed in a lottery conducted by the central administration office, and lottery winners received letters inviting them to apply to the program. Last fall, 453 students received invitations, 143 students applied and 116 enrolled this year, officials said."


 Open to all students who took a test - does this mean all students at locations where the education is performed were offered the test?  This needs to be an equal process.  If primarily White and Asian students are "offered" the test then there is an issue.  If it's open to any kid there, then it's no issue at all.

 What doesn't need to happen is things like lower scores being allowed for certain race students.  

 Also what doesn't need to happen is assumptions without verifiable information.


https://www.wgbh.org/news/education/2021/02/26/citing-racial-inequities-boston-public-schools-suspend-advanced-learning-classes

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by MnSpring on 02/28/21 at 09:47:32
Get used to walking into a big box store,
Where the entrance is at isle 15,
Asking a ‘blue/logo’ shirt person where something is, and they politely say with a big smile; ‘isle 1 Sir’.
Then when you can’t find it at isle 1, you asked someone again, and they say; with a big smile; ‘isle 30 Sir’.
Then at isle 30, you ask someone again, and they say: with a big smile; ‘isle 15 Sir’.

Yep, hire someone by the color of skin,
NOT THEIR BRAIN,
Is the ultimate, ‘RACIST’
(But NOT, if a UL, FDS, Socialist does it)


'NEVER MIND' (as Gilda would always say)
Cause it is exactly what the tt clones want !

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by MnSpring on 02/28/21 at 10:07:52

436361697463060 wrote:
  ...
- does this mean all students at locations where the education is performed were offered the test?  This needs to be an equal process. ...


I believe the words: "...The program was open to all students in the Boston Public Schools ..."
MEAN: "...The program was open to all students in the Boston Public Schools ..."

I also believe the words:
" ... If primarily White and Asian students are "offered" the test then there is an issue..."
would be:
"... assumptions without verifiable information ..."

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by Eegore on 02/28/21 at 10:32:25
"I believe the words: "...The program was open to all students in the Boston Public Schools ..."
MEAN: "...The program was open to all students in the Boston Public Schools …""


 Nice try.

 Now lets provide the entire sentence:

"The program was open to all students in the Boston Public Schools who took a test known as Terra Nova in the third grade and received a high score."


 So no - not all students - were offered the program as insinuated if one does not include all words in the quote.  Only those who took the Terra Nova test.  That is what I was theorizing as a potential issue.  Are all students allowed to take that test in schools where the program is offered?  

 
"I also believe the words:
" ... If primarily White and Asian students are "offered" the test then there is an issue..."
would be:
"... assumptions without verifiable information ..." "


 "If" is meant to mean a theoretical situation.  I am not proclaiming this to be true, or assuming it happens, I am asking if it does.  Not every question is an accusation.  I chose White and Asian because the reference stated White and Asian.  It makes sense, to me, to use the words White and Asian when presenting an equality discrepancy about a topic regarding equality discrepancies.

 IF this is happening we should stop it.  Versus: This IS happening.  


 I never proclaimed anything is being done wrong I am providing an example of how things can be wrong.  I am doing so by providing the entirety of a quote and not selectively cutting it off to spin the meaning into something it is not to leverage my argument.

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by MnSpring on 02/28/21 at 10:52:19

1F3F3D35283F5A0 wrote:
"...   So no - not all students - were offered the program ..."


Nope, not all students were OFFERED the program!
Could it be they did not take the test,
or score according to the parameters of the test ?

The test that: "... was open to all students in the Boston Public Schools who took a test..."

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by Eegore on 02/28/21 at 11:07:27
"Nope, not all students were OFFERED the program!
Could it be they did not take the test,
or score according to the parameters of the test ?"


"Could it be they did not take the test," - Is this an assumption without verifiable information or a question?

"or score according to the parameters of the test" - Is this an assumption without verifiable information or a question?

 Since I am not trying to be intentionally difficult I will treat that as a question since that makes the most sense.



Now how does this make sense:

"The test that: "... was open to all students in the Boston Public Schools who took a test...""

 Not what this is saying.  It is saying the "Program" was offered to all students who took the "test" and passed.  Not that the "test" itself was offered to all students.

 The "test" offerings are in question.  Not the "Program" offering of those who passed the "test".  

 Who has been offered the "test"?

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/21 at 12:17:00
If someone did not take the test in hopes of Qualifying for a
Program more rigorous than the one that was whippin theirass, they chose not to.
You want so desperately to pretend this is not bullshit.
The obvious is in front of you.
Lefties are unable to allow a program to continue because of their unrealistic expectations.
The people who CHOSE to take the test
AND did well
Were accepted

Fukking get over it

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by Eegore on 02/28/21 at 13:12:45
"The people who CHOSE to take the test
AND did well
Were accepted"

 This is wrong.  Your "leftist" issues keep you from seeing the obvious.  Again I researched something you won't provide reference for, checked it, cut out and placed in bold the portion in question and you still claim things that aren't true because leftist, as if nobody else will read.  I will break it down further:

Those students were placed in a lottery conducted by the central administration office, and lottery winners received letters inviting them to apply to the program.

 Explain to me how a lottery is needed if every kid who passed the test is allowed to take the Program?  Wouldn't they just offer all passing students a place?

 There may be unrealistic expectations, but not for the inaccurate reasons you and MnSpring present.  You want to claim anyone who passed a test gets an offer, and MnSpring wants to claim all students were allowed to take the test.  Both wrong.

 Why not call the expectations unrealistic for accurate reasons?

 I want to know who is offered a "test".

 But no, as usual, because I want clarification you want to act like I am saying you are wrong.  Get over it.

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/21 at 13:49:41
Send your team of researchers out.

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/21 at 13:55:45
his racist antiracism has spread like cancer throughout America. It must be snuffed out immediately, or our education system will quickly recede even further than it already has in recent decades.


“Other schools have proposed eliminating gifted programs or merit-based admissions as part of recent antiracist efforts. In New York City, a panel appointed by Mayor Bill de Blasio in 2019 recommended that schools end any merit-based admissions and gifted and talented programs because such programs are “exclusionary.”

Most recently, San Francisco education officials voted to end merit-based admissions at one of the nation’s most prestigious public schools, Lowell High School, and will be switching to a lottery-based system in a purported effort to address racism.”


https://100percentfedup.com/boston-schools-cancel-advanced-classes-because-being-intelligent-and-working-hard-is-racist/

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by MnSpring on 02/28/21 at 15:08:30

6040424A5740250 wrote:
" ... and MnSpring wants to claim all students were allowed to take the test.  Both wrong.... "  


Exactly where do you come to a conclusion from,
"The program was open to all students in the Boston Public Schools who took a test known as Terra Nova in the third grade and received a high score", that people were prevented from taking that test ?


Or would that simply be: "...assumptions without verifiable information."

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by Eegore on 02/28/21 at 15:28:50
 Also from your link:

To further these destructive ends, Boston schools (along with others) are eliminating their advanced classes for high-performing students.

 Except that's not true.  But lets ignore that because the rest of it makes sense.  As I have said before, I don't ignore lies because I like what's being said.  

 Instead of addressing the lottery question and how that allows every student that passes a test to be in a program you will just post more information.  Adding more information won't erase the inaccuracies.

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by Eegore on 02/28/21 at 15:43:49
"Exactly where do you come to a conclusion from,
"The program was open to all students in the Boston Public Schools who took a test known as Terra Nova in the third grade and received a high score", that people were prevented from taking that test ?"


 I didn't come to a "conclusion" you said that.

 I already clarified that the word "IF" was meant to convey a theory or present an example.  

 This is like me asking you how you came to the "conclusion" that some didn't take a test or pass when you asked:

"Could it be they did not take the test,
or score according to the parameters of the test ?"


 We both know you are asking a question - not proclaiming that to be fact.  So since I am not intentionally trying to be difficult I won't try to pretend you came to a "conclusion" and then challenge you about something you never actually said.

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/21 at 16:24:50
Who was offered a test?
Every third grader?
Or just the ones who were functioning at the top end of the class?
Is it raayciss to not test everyone?
It's looking like
Merit Based decision making is being called
Raayciss.

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by Eegore on 02/28/21 at 16:53:42

"Who was offered a test?
Every third grader?
Or just the ones who were functioning at the top end of the class?
Is it raayciss to not test everyone?"

 That's what I would like to know.

 Calling it racist or prejudice etc. at this point seems premature.

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/21 at 18:39:45
If they simply
Offer the test to everyone
Fine
If they only offer it to the kids who are making a and b grades
Fine
If they exclude kids who have good grades
Because
Raayciss
Not okay

From past experience
I've never seen an
Honors program where anyone wanted to limit the numbers.
Hard enough to get enough together to justify the program.

Title: Re: Crazy lefties
Post by Eegore on 02/28/21 at 22:06:40
 I think a big part of the issue is the changing of words to push an initiative more than it needs to be.

 If my Savage forum membership is "cancelled" then I am gone, but if it is "suspended" I can come back.

 If you look at the Boston education statements they claim they have suspended the program.  If you go to websites that don't agree with the decision they claim they are cancelled.  

 This is a carefully selected change to stir up anger, by making it seem like advanced education is being taken away completely from those deserving of it.  That should piss people off, but it's not true, yet.

 I think it is fine to examine the equality of the Terra Nova test offerings and suspend the current influx of a program, especially since it's been declining in size for years anyway.  But the investigation should be efficient, as well as any changes if they are needed.

 If it's an issue of performance and not inequality then things need to keep going as they are.  Inflating the impact of historical racist policies on modern education programs will do no good for anyone.

 

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