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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> TX power outages non-ERCOT /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1613669358 Message started by Eegore on 02/18/21 at 09:29:18 |
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Title: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 02/18/21 at 09:29:18 Low power outage times in TX come from El Paso Energy and Entergy. Entergy has been "leftist" for almost 20 years being named for 19 consecutive years as a Top Sustainability Company. https://www.entergynewsroom.com/news/entergy-named-top-sustainability-company-for-19th-consecutive-year/ The number one reason they state their power outages are low during this time: Winterized their infrastructure after the 2011 storm. The number one reason El Paso Energy states their power outages are minimal: "winterize our equipment and facilities so they could stand minus-10 degree weather for a sustained period of time" El Paso Energy uses "green" energy in their grid: Project Type: Solar Poly-Crystalline photovoltaic panels Project Location: Van Horn, Texas Project Owner: El Paso Electric Fuel Source: Solar Project Capacity: 20 kW (DC) Commercial Operation Date: August 201 Project Type: Photovoltaic systems with 360 modules each Project Location: Newman Power Station and Rio Grande Power Station Project Owner: El Paso Electric Fuel Source: Solar Project Capacity: 260,000 kWh combined Commercial Operation Date: December 2009 Project Type: Solar poly-crystalline photovoltaic panels Project Location: El Paso Community College – Valle Verde Campus Project Owner: El Paso Electric Fuel Source: Solar Project Capacity: 14 kW Commercial Operation Date: January 2012 Project Type: Ground mounted single-axis tracking PV system Project Location: Newman Power Plant Project Owner: PSEG Fuel Source: Solar Project Capacity: 10MW ac Commercial Operation Date: December 30, 2014 Project Type: Mono-crystalline photovoltaic panels with fixed axis mounting Project Location: El Paso Project Owner: El Paso Electric Fuel Source: Solar Project Capacity: 31 kW Commercial Operation Date: January 2012 https://www.myentergy.com/s/outagemap https://poweroutage.us/area/state/texas So why are El Paso Energy and Entergy able to provide power at such efficiency levels if "green" energy and "leftist" policy are the reasons for the power outages? Maybe there are more factors than policy and "green" energy. |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 02/26/21 at 08:29:44 I'd have to call BS on the "frozen coal piles" statements going around considering the continual movement of coal. https://www.americaspower.org/frozen-coal-piles-myth-real-problem/ However the 45% natural gas reduction due to freezing does appear to be accurate. Well according to people that work in natural gas and proponents of crude energy, and ERCOT but they are probably all wrong about that. Politicians know better than the people that do the actual jobs, design and maintain the power plants etc. https://oilprice.com/ Freeze protection has been pushed for 10 years in ERCOT covered areas. https://asgmt.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf-docs/2011/1/T06.pdf Looking at the numbers of the power draw, TX in one day had exceeded pull numbers from any event in documented power history. If traditional natural gas plants were to be built to sustain the pull - calculating the reduction from freeze - ERCOT powered TX would have needed to build 144 more power plants prior to this event. |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 02/26/21 at 09:32:39 In the "news" and shared on social media: "Biden administration denied a request from Texas Gov. Greg Abbott for electricity generators to bypass emissions limits to operate at full capacity during a winter storm." According to the US Dept of Energy: "On February 14, 2021, a 202(c) emergency order was issued to the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) authorizing specific electric generating units (resource list) located within the ERCOT area to operate at their maximum generation output levels due to ongoing extreme weather conditions and to preserve the reliability of bulk electric power system." I wonder who is lying. Is it the Facebook posts with no sources or the Dept of Energy providing the following sources upon request? Maybe they are all faked Dept of Energy documents, and they payed off ERCOT and Abbot to keep quiet about it, then somehow can't find any documentation of the Biden Administration's denial. Request: https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/ERCOT%20202%28c%29%20Emergency%20Order%20Request%20-%2002.14.2021.pdf Order: https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/DOE%20202%28c%29%20Emergency%20Order%20-%20ERCOT%2002.14.2021.pdf Resource list: https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f83/Resource%20List%20202c%20_2-19-21%209PM_Revised.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f83/Resource%20List%20202c%20_2-19-21%209PM_Revised.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/DOE%20202%28c%29%20Resource%20List%20_2-19-21%209AM.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/Resource%20List%20202c%20_2-18-21%209PM.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/Resource%20List%20202c%20_2-18-21%209AM.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/Resource%20List%20202c%20_2-17-21%209PM.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/Resource%20List%20202c%20_2-17-21%209AM.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/Resource%20List%20202c%20_2-16-21%209PM.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/Resource%20List%20202c%20_2-16-21%209AM.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/Resource%20List%20202c%20_2-15-21%209PM.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/DOE%20202%28c%29%20Emergency%20Order%20-%20Resource%20List%20ERCOT%2002.14.2021.pdf But probably wrong. |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 02/26/21 at 09:37:17 Windmills don't work. Claim using expert testimony: "A two-megawatt windmill contains 260 tons of steel requiring 170 tons of coking coal and 300 tons of iron ore, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons. A windmill could spin until it falls apart and never generate as much energy as was invested in building it." -Thomas Homer-Dixon. What has been published from this book: https://www.amazon.com/Carbon-Shift-Climate-Crisis-Change/dp/0307357198?ots=1 "A two-megawatt windmill contains 260 tonnes of steel requiring 170 tonnes of coking coal and 300 tonnes of iron ore, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons. At a good wind site, the energy payback day could be in three years or less; in a poor location, energy payback may be never. That is, a windmill could spin until it falls apart and never generate as much energy as was invested in building it.” Convenient what removing one sentence from a "quote" can do. These posts should be an example of why we need to research important topics like energy use before jumping on some bandwagon that just reinforces our thoughts on a subject. People saying windmills are why TX had power outages simply won't do the math, most likely due to plausible deniability, and equally bad are the people saying coal froze and was unusable, unlike solar. Both of those statements, from both sides of the fence, are just plain wrong. The defense of these statements are more statements, not one useable number. Why not look into something and actually be accurate, instead of just declaring accuracy by opinion? |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/26/21 at 10:51:59 Like Trump Raayciss? |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 02/26/21 at 12:02:20 Like anything at all, you can go with racist Trump if that helps this discussion somehow. In this case it's claiming solar and wind power caused the power outages in TX because the natural gas/coal/nuclear could not keep up with the added demand - because a politician claimed it to be true - even while the actual power company said that was incorrect. Obviously ERCOT doesn't know how power is distributed in TX and elected officials do. |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/21 at 14:53:49 They sure did a fine job |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 02/28/21 at 15:24:17 "They sure did a fine job" Lets let Abbot and Cruz make the power decisions then. A professional NASCAR driver crashes his car on a wet track and says he messed up, the weather contributed and the steering mechanism needs to be more responsive. The Engineering Team agrees the driver made a mistake, the weather was partial cause and the steering mechanism needs adjustments. The Mayor says the poor track lighting is to blame. Let's let the Mayor run that NASCAR Team and say the reason is because "They sure did a fine job". The Mayor has all the lighting replaced and now the NASCAR Team is safer right? |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by MnSpring on 02/28/21 at 15:31:17 0424262E3324410 wrote:
LOL And you keep saying the red car/bank robbery is bad ? LOLOLOLOL |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/21 at 15:37:25 Really? They totally failed to prepare And the people suffered Bad decisions |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 02/28/21 at 15:48:06 "They totally failed to prepare And the people suffered Bad decisions " I agree with that. I do not agree that the failure was the replacement of traditional power with "green" energy as you claim. Saying the current power was good enough but had to make up for the failed solar and wind is wrong according to everyone but this one politician. The numbers simply don't add up and the only person saying this has never worked in energy and provides zero evidence. I am expected to go with the politician's assessment of the TX power grid over the people that run the TX power grid? |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/28/21 at 16:20:37 I have a long, involved conversation I would like someone to engage in. I have no idea who could adequately answer my questions and I have no intention of trying to type it out. I have an Opinion And A coupla questions, which when answered, open doors to more questions. Believe as you will. |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 03/10/21 at 08:42:00 ERCOT grid generation information in full: http://www.ercot.com/gridinfo/generation Probably all wrong though, lets go with the information Abbot provided us. When he ever provides any I will post it here. Until then we can go with the actual meter readings in the actual areas. Estimated that near 80% of the grid’s capacity, (67 gigawatts), would be generated by natural gas, coal and nuclear power. 7% of ERCOT’s forecasted winter capacity, (6 gigawatts) was allocated to come from various wind power sources across the ERCOT grid. According to natural gas workers, not politicians, but the people that do the actual work, NG pulls are co-dependent on electricity. So to pull from a gathering line they use an electric motor. When the power goes out, no gas is extracted. So you need gas to provide electricity and then a fraction of that electricity is used to extract more gas. NG pull went from 24 billion cubic feet per day to anywhere between 17 and 12 billion. This is according to S&P Global, so maybe Abbot knows more than they do about their own operations too. |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 03/22/21 at 00:03:48 The latest analysis and hearings point to the lack of form filing to secure Natural Gas lines as priority during an emergency, or "Critical Load". This again points to Natural Gas, not wind or solar generation. The specific document can be fund here: http://www.puc.texas.gov/agency/rulesnlaws/subrules/electric/25.497/25.497.pdf ERCOT provides it's own version: http://www.ercot.com/content/wcm/key_documents_lists/174326/Final_-_pdf_-_App_for_gas_pipeline_load_v020320.pdf However it does say: "DESIGNATION OF A CRITICAL LOAD DOES NOT GUARANTEE AN UNINTERRUPTED SUPPLY OF ELECTRICITY." so maybe the lack of form filing isn't as impactful as it is being made out to be. Allen Nye - CEO of Oncor - one of the state’s largest transmission and delivery utilities states that the orders from ERCOT to cut power were followed which in turn shut almost all power to the Permian Basin. This is identified as a major issue since the supply chain of NG was disrupted since NG can't be extracted without electricity. The Permian Basin was not on the Critical Load list and this crippled NG supply which led to more power plant shut downs. According to this ERCOT presentation more than 9000 megawatts of power outages were caused by power plants not getting enough gas. That can power 1.5 to 1.8 million Texas homes. Not windmill shut downs - Power Plants. http://www.ercot.com/content/wcm/lists/226271/Texas_Legislature_Hearings_2-25-2021.pdf "Third, the fact is, power generation from all sources buckled under the harsh, freezing winter weather. That includes natural gas, coal, nuclear, as well as wind and solar. Each of these power sources failed to fully produce because of inadequate safeguards." - Governor Greg Abbott https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-delivers-televised-statewide-address-on-power-outages-winter-weather-response-in-texas |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by verslagen1 on 03/22/21 at 07:57:42 0D2D2F273A2D480 wrote:
It seems obvious to me that if you needed electricity to extract NG to produce more electricity during critical periods then that area was critical or should of had it's own self supply. So, it's either neglect or conspiracy. |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 03/23/21 at 09:23:16 "It seems obvious to me that if you needed electricity to extract NG to produce more electricity during critical periods then that area was critical or should of had it's own self supply. So, it's either neglect or conspiracy." I'd lean more towards neglect, although I can not prove that it was actually solar and wind shortages meaning thousands upon thousands of meter readings have been altered to vilify Natural Gas, with the NG Companies, and the Transport suppliers support with ERCOT also getting onboard to fabricate all this evidence used in legislative hearings. The Public Utility Commission must be on-board too. They then must have also fabricated the Critical Load paperwork, post-dated forged signatures going back a decade and then had an IT systems expert(s) re-image all the digital time-stamps on thousands of emails and facsimiles so they look as if they are older than they actually are. This way wind and solar are covered and more traditional power gets the blame. Or what is being identified as a large multi-faceted failure on multiple fronts is actually true. Maybe NG does freeze in TX at the same temperature as it does on the rest of the planet, maybe these Critical Load forms do exist and were not filled out, maybe power in TX is a loop of one energy type being moderately co-dependent on the other. Maybe the issues pointed out in 2011, that happened again, are part of the overall problem. |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/21 at 09:47:00 Look at you... opinion. |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/21 at 12:37:23 E never has an Opinion. He only states what a Government paid for study says is correct. |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 03/23/21 at 14:13:34 What part of the reports I posted here are "Government paid" or even supplied by the Government? The Department of Energy reports, that ERCOT supplied? So again ERCOT is complicit in providing false information for the Dept. of Energy to respond to. ERCOT must want to look like they made bad decisions to cover for solar and wind and fabricated all those requests also. By not looking at the information provided one can claim plausible deniability and continue to push false narratives such as the one JoG provides here. Let me answer since it will continue to be ignored: Not one of the data sets provided in this thread come from "Government" but all come from private companies. From private companies in a non-federally regulated power grid. My information comes from the private sector. Your information comes from a Politician. |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 08/04/21 at 14:00:40 Interesting "Follow the money" factor. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/04/texas-energy-industry-donations-legislature/ |
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Title: Re: TX power outages non-ERCOT Post by Eegore on 08/03/22 at 13:55:30 More information supporting that wind-power is not connected to the grids that failed in TX. https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-texas-grid-causes-high-160416032.html Despite the growing development of wind energy production in Texas, the state’s transmission network would need significant infrastructure upgrades to ship out the energy produced in the region. “The transmission constraints are such that energy can’t make it to the load centers. [High Plains wind power] might be able to make it to Lubbock, but it may not be able to make it to Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston or Austin, So without even having the physical structures in place to transmit power, somehow it was renewable energy that caused the problem. Now on the opposite end the lack of storage did cause issue this past summer with the rolling blackouts. This was partially caused by reduced renewable input however the isolated grid is mostly to blame. |
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