|
SuzukiSavage.com
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> Easy riddle /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1612656775 Message started by springman on 02/06/21 at 16:12:55 |
|
Title: Easy riddle Post by springman on 02/06/21 at 16:12:55 Why does 5k miles old oil on the Honda look so dirty when same age oil on the Savage still looks relatively clean? |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by MMRanch on 02/06/21 at 18:47:54 ? :-? I change mine every spring or 10k miles ... which ever comes first ! But , yea , it still looks nice when it drains out. Its been so long since I used conventional oil , I can't remember when it was ? ::) |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by springman on 02/08/21 at 15:06:18 I thought everybody would get this one. The answer is that because by the time I get to 5k miles I have added at least a quart of oil along the way. Yes, I do a lot of highway miles. ;D |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by verslagen1 on 02/08/21 at 22:41:37 Honda is water cooled? water makes oil look crappy. maybe a leak? |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by MMRanch on 02/09/21 at 04:35:46 Sorry I forgot it was a riddle ? ::) In that case my first guess would be : "Different kind of oil" ? What kind you putting in ? :-? |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by springman on 02/09/21 at 10:39:43 No, no leak thank goodness. I really do not know what kind of oil was in it. The guy I bought it from did indicate synthetic, but that is all I remember. I put synthetic Rotella T6 in it. We'll see how that looks in 5k miles. |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by springman on 02/09/21 at 10:41:22 Now you guys are making me wonder. Am I the only one that has to add oil to the S40 every few hundred miles (high speed miles)? |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by Dave on 02/09/21 at 14:17:28 333032292E272D212E400 wrote:
I can ride between oil changes and never add any oil - however my riding is completely different than yours. My bike spends most of the time between 2,500 - 3,500 on back roads (with my gearing 3,500 rpm is 60 mph). The Arkansas riding we did is very similar to how I ride in KY - the hills here are not as big and the curves are closer together. I think the oil in the Honda is getting frightened by the loud mufflers and causing it to decompose from the mental stress! ;) |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by MMRanch on 02/09/21 at 15:56:09 I think the oil in the Honda is getting frightened by the loud mufflers and causing it to decompose from the mental stress! ;D .............. I don't know if its "High-Speed" or not but I'm not shy about running the high side of 70 on the speedometer. There is a error of about (10 % +) , so an indicated 70 is really near 80 mph on the GPS. I'd guess about 5k RPM is the most mine ever see's . but I never have to add oil. T-6 plus about 1/2 can of reg. STP. to the upper full mark on the side stand. No , the clutch don't slip. It only had about 3k miles on it when I bought it , and it was still idled at 1200 rpm-ish . I don't think its ever been mis-treated or idled down too low. Now its up to the 50,000 mile neighborhood and doing fine. :) |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by springman on 02/09/21 at 21:22:15 Mental stress huh? Never occurred to me. ;D I must admit that on the S40 I do between 70 and 75mph on the highway about 32 miles to work and 32 miles back. And I have to wipe the oil off of the engine after a couple or so rides. And so I just add a bit more oil every now and then. |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by Mavigogun on 02/10/21 at 07:12:31 My speedo reads progressively HIGH the faster the bike is pushed. Anything sustained above actual 70 mph drinks oil. If I push the bike to hold an indicated 90 or above, I had better be ready to add oil when next I add gas- two tanks worth of charging hard risks running dry by the time the third is emptied. |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by springman on 02/10/21 at 11:05:41 I believe mine is not quite as bad as yours Mavi, but yeah, high speed, more oil. |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by LANCER on 02/10/21 at 11:29:41 Mine spits oil too. I don't mind spinning up the rpm a bit |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by springman on 02/10/21 at 14:56:51 8-) |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/21 at 11:28:33 Fresh oil disappears slower than oil with a thousand miles on it. I'm not sure if that holds true for the synthetic. |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by springman on 02/14/21 at 18:39:12 I do not know. |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 02/14/21 at 22:59:15 Dino oil gets out up the vapor tube faster than synthetic does. Dino is worse as it gets older, but I never noticed any acceleration on synthetic due to miles on the oil. High speeds, yes, a very direct correlation on both kinds of oil. Once you have a lot of blow by gasses flowing up the blow by tube you will lose oil particles in with that heavy gas flow. |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by MMRanch on 02/15/21 at 14:04:30 Less Blow-By into the crank-case would = less air flow out the top breather pipe. Is your top breather tube still emptying into the breather box ? Is your breather tube/hose still good might be a better question ? They crack where they are stretched onto the top of the motor . I use a little STP in my oil to cut the amount of blow-by. About 1/2 pint / 3 quarts T-6 of 5w40. |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by verslagen1 on 02/15/21 at 15:07:22 6F7D6F7D70636C616A220 wrote:
I can't recommend STP, it has friction modifiers and will harm clutch performance. where did you find T-6 in 20w50? |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/21 at 15:31:55 Thanks OF. |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by MMRanch on 02/15/21 at 17:18:52 Your right Versey in T-6 its (5w40) I always get the widest range I can find , for the cages I get 20-50 . |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by Dave on 02/15/21 at 18:00:58 2E3C2E3C31222D202B630 wrote:
For my motorcycle - I would buy the narrowest range (15W-40). The wider range means that there are more additives.....and unless you are riding in sub freezing weather the benefit of the 5W is not applicable, and 15W would allow your bike to start just as easily. You should not be using 20W-50 in a modern car.....modern cars are designed with far closer tolerances and should be using the oil viscosity that the owners manual calls for (also listed on the oi fill cap). My wife's car requires 5W-20. In my 15 year old Pontiac - when the temperatures are down in the single digits - I do notice the car does turn over a bit slower with the 15W oil....and the 5W oil allows the starter to spin the engine over a bit easier during a cold start. However - your adding STP to the oil is going to make your oil thicker than the 5W or 15W rating that the oil had when you bought it. |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by MMRanch on 02/15/21 at 21:06:19 The main reason for a touch of STP is to fill the micro defects in the cylinder walls . and to avoid dry starts in a cold motor |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by Dave on 02/16/21 at 03:48:24 Your Savage and Guzzi can handle oil that is thicker than your modern cars can. Your modern cars have been manufactured to run thin oil, and using a thick oil in them can cause less oil flow and actually starve the bearings for proper oil protection. Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPFSR-2lhxY [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPFSR-2lhxY[/media] Read this article: https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/the-amazing-modern-oil-cocktail/ |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by MMRanch on 02/17/21 at 13:19:47 So : 0w40 is good |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by Dave on 02/17/21 at 15:59:54 504250424F5C535E551D0 wrote:
If that is what your engine calls for from the manufacturer. In the summer you can pretty much ignore the 5W, as you will never get cold enough in Tennessee to worry about the winter rating. In the winter you should not be using a 0W rating if your engine requires a 5W or 10 W. In the summer......you should not be using an oil with a 40 rating if your manufacturer wants you using a 20 weight oil (like 5W-20). Your Savage is a bit more flexible about oil weight than a modern car - but it is not flexible about needing 1,000 ppm or more of ZDDP! |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by MMRanch on 02/17/21 at 21:58:16 1,000 ppm What is that ? so 1 oz per 100 ozs of oil ? |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 02/18/21 at 04:22:24 One tenth of 1 percent (roughly) |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by Dave on 02/18/21 at 04:30:57 56445644495A5558531B0 wrote:
No We are no longer recommending that you add ZDDP to oil on this forum - Rotella and several other good oils have 1,200 PPM (Parts Per Million) of ZDDP from the factory. Use Rotella or an oil that already has everything you need to keep your Savage engine healthy - you don't have t add anything. |
|
Title: Re: Easy riddle Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 02/18/21 at 05:22:17 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471565 Recommended Oils for Your Savage (Read 3096 times) Dave, MM is jest trying to provoke him a little bit of an oil war because he's in the hospital, bored and sick and he cannot go riding. (He is also a secret fan of adding some STP to his bike's motor oil). He's hunting for the perfect mix ratio stated in ounces. Parts per million just isn't in his mix language. 40 to one and 24 to one are terms he likes, he uses them every year for mixing stuff for chainsaws and snow blowers. :) Rotella T6 currently runs around 1100 PPM of ZDDP .... which is down from the traditional 1200 number but is up from the 900-1000 PPM number used today in in a lot of heavy duty car oils. Light duty car oils can run 600 PPM or less, so be careful what you put in your bike. Rotella has yo-yo'd the ZDDP up and down and down and up again, along with similar but inverse movements in moly amounts according to the requirements placed on the oil industry written by the EPA while supposedly representing the CAR makers. This is why we used HDEO diesel oils on this list, because they are not so violently up and down on the good stuff according to actions of semi-political government regulatory bodies. (and yes, it is a fact that some modern (post 2014 ???) Savage engines have tappet followers with hard faced inserts to help fight this issue --- but the older Savages don't have this hard insert advantage and the cam chain system on both will still always need significant amounts of ZDDP to keep the cam chain links and pins from wearing out prematurely) Recommended Oils for Your Savage (Read 3096 times) http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471565 |
|
SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2! YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved. |