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Title: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by springman on 12/02/20 at 08:50:47 Seems we are always lusting after a light weight powerful cruiser. Check out the 2021 Honda Rebel 1100 with claimed weight of 487 lbs and claimed 87 HP. Curious to see what ya'll think. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by ohiomoto on 12/02/20 at 15:59:37 Bigger and more expensive, but just as ugly as the 500. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Ruttly on 12/02/20 at 17:37:52 The price tag makes it uglier , LOL |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/02/20 at 18:58:38 Springman , if you show up on one of them in the Spring ... Then I want to ride it once ! :) ................ I've been dueling over a RE Twin , sorta ? Then today I saw what's under the valve cover. The cam chain is in the middle of the cylinders ... so ... about 50,000 into the ride ... when its time for a new cam-chain , where does that leave the owner ? Maybe I don't want a RE Twin after all ? :-/ ........................ Maybe , keeping the W650 might be the best "Twin" to have ? But I'm disappointed in the power level of it . The Savage is really close to the same power/weight stuff ... Practical HP. The Guzzi is more get-up-and-go than either of them , but its got that stiff clutch thing .... it sure if tuff to find the perfect bike ! This one is a nice looking bike ? I think the MPG might be on the low side ? ::) |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/02/20 at 20:20:57 Maybe , keeping the W650 might be the best "Twin" to have ? But I'm disappointed in the power level of it . The Savage is really close to the same power/weight stuff ... Practical HP. Okay, not anything I was expecting.. I was considering trying to stuff my W engine in Savage frame. Talk to me about the W versus Savage cruising power..okay? |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by springman on 12/02/20 at 20:38:51 That's a good looking bike MM! ;) Highway mpg on it is around 50+, but get into rush hour traffic and you are going to drop down to around 40 mpg. But it sure is comfortable and has all the power I need. Good choice! ;D |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by springman on 12/02/20 at 20:41:04 Hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But yes, price is too much for me. But in about 5 years, who know what a good low mileage used one will go for. ::) |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by springman on 12/02/20 at 20:44:03 MM, that Guzzi sure seems like a nice bike. Have you called the dealer to ask why the darned clutch lever has such a hard pull? The good thing is if you keep riding that bike you are going to have a left forearm like Popeye's. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by springman on 12/02/20 at 20:52:20 Hey MM. Take a look at this link. This might be what you need for the Guzzi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CWVUAJtspM |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/02/20 at 21:34:18 guys The clutch wasn't hard when I first got the bike. During the first 5k miles or so , the adjustment kept needing adjusting out till it ran out of adjustment , then the cable broke . With the new cable I planed ahead on fitting the cable. The constant adjusting ended about 10k miles ago , but the clutch pull got harder the whole time. . But Something isn't right with the rod. I need to put an new tire on it this winter . So , while I've got the tire off , I'll pull the swingarm , pull the transmission , and the bell-housing . There is a push rod running through the transmission , then through the middle of the clutch to the pressure plate. A Guzzi guy told me the clutch-rod is hollow with a ball stuck on the end of it , and the ball might have expanded the push-rod and be stuck into it. If that's the case I'll be designing a better system. I've got a 1930's model farm machine lath and know what it can do. Its just like a 1980 ford ranger strait shift , mostly . If I haven't found the problem by then ... then I'll go to playing with the clutch spring . ;) Looks simple enough doesn't it ? |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/02/20 at 21:48:40 I don't want to high-jack the thread , so the short version of the W650 power is : The Carburetors might not be right ? I'm thinking if one more trip to the air-compressor don't fix it then I'm going to replace them with some simple ones off ebay. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Dave on 12/03/20 at 03:33:18 MM: If you can find out what diameter the Guzzi push rod is before you take it apart.....maybe you should order some "drill rod" that you could use to make a replacement to the hollow push rod. I didn't see the ball you described in the diagram - but those are normally installed to allow the clutch rod or ball to spin without transferring the spin to the other end of the rod. I have a nice heated garage up here and good lighting - if you want to load the bike in your truck and bring it up here we can "Gut the Guzzi" and get that clutch fixed.....the clutch is not working right and needs to be fixed if you want me to ever ride it again! ;) |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Serowbot on 12/03/20 at 08:55:02 300, 500, now 1100... I think I'll hold out for the 2400... ...bigger is always better, right?... :-? http://https://www.soymotero.net/sites/default/files/styles/max_width_800px/public/2020-11/honda_rebel_cmx1100_2021_3.jpg?itok=Sz2_XQmw |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by springman on 12/03/20 at 09:13:59 I like that Sero! ;D |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by springman on 12/03/20 at 09:15:52 Good luck on that MM. I know you are very capable but I would probably take Dave up on the offer. A heated garage and two great minds working together....! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/03/20 at 09:36:08 I have a nice heated garage up here and good lighting - if you want to load the bike in your truck and bring it up here we can "Gut the Guzzi" and get that clutch fixed.....the clutch is not working right and needs to be fixed if you want me to ever ride it again! ........................................ Wow Dave ! Its not safe either , a combination of stiff clutch , tired hands , and sharp low-speed maneuvering on down-hill slopes is dangerous ! especially ridding double ! :-/ Now its going to be REALLY HARD to pull it apart in a cold shop while thinking of a nice HEATED GARAGE ! :P Hay , is there a Guzzi dealer "not to far away" to get parts from (if need be) ? Its not so far that I couldn't come home for a week while waiting on parts . I'll bounce the idea off Marcia to see how she feels about being without her cook for a few days ? In the winter I can only be gone for four days without getting somebody to put-out hay for me , they like it fresh out of the barn more than I like going looking for my cows ::) , you know the fence is not what really keeps them home. ;D I'm wondering if we should get another thread ? Thanks for the loan Springman ! :) |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Ruttly on 12/03/20 at 13:24:33 Honda has always built great bikes and I’m sure the Rebel is too. And I wasn’t really liking the looks till I saw one at the dealer , me and the salesman lookin at a 500 then he asked me “ so what do you think” and with a huge grin I told him “ it’s uglier than the pics , it looks worse up close. We laughed he told me he thought it wouldn’t sell cause of it looks but he said once you ride it you’ll like it and told me they sell fast and then offered a test ride and I promptly said no ,laughing. Fugly , Fugly , Fugly |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by springman on 12/03/20 at 15:21:05 ;D |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/03/20 at 17:09:16 Why can't they let it have some "Shinny" to it ? |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Dave on 12/03/20 at 18:19:06 MM: Cadre Cycle is close by and is a Guzzi dealer. I am not sure how well they are stocked up on clutch related parts. You could call them and see what they have to say: https://cadrecycle.com/ I looked a bit on the internet and I could not find any reports of your issue being common with the Guzzi. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Ruttly on 12/03/20 at 20:02:34 Shiny = $$ They trying to keep costs down to increase profits ! |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by zipidachimp on 12/04/20 at 00:14:53 I've never understood 'marketing' , but if a dealer had a new CB350 standing next to a Rebel 300/500, I think I can guess which one would sell first. Put the Rebel 300/500/1100 engine in that CB350 type frame and watch them fly out the door! Cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/04/20 at 07:11:35 yea , what Zip said ! ;) ........................ I'd buy a 500/650cc version of the old air cooled 250 Rebel on sight. Seems like 45-55 Hp is enough for any thing I ever want to do. The styling on the CB350 pushes all the right buttons for me too --- but the 21Hp. just don't seem like enough for American roads. The Suzuki TU250 is another one that tickles my eye-balls and makes me wonder "where is the 500cc version of this". My LS-650 looks better all the time ... but that dern little-bitty fuel tank leaves me looking for better , Heck - you can't have a real adventure very far from home on 2.7 gallons . ::) |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by springman on 12/04/20 at 08:03:17 You know what the solution is. We need to start our own motorcycle manufacturing company, Savage U.S.A., Ltd. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by bobert_FSO on 12/04/20 at 10:59:24 What I don't like about most of the newer bikes is the lack of easy access to maintenance stuff. Back in the late 60's there was so much more open space around the engine. Carb work, points (glad they're gone), air filter, oil changes, valve adjustment were all right there and available without have to remove a bunch of other stuff. On my old Ducati 250, all this stuff just hung out in the open. I need to do a valve adjustment on my '98 Kaw Vulcan 800. However, it entails removing the gas tank, removing a big air intake plenum under the tank, moving fuel and air injection lines, removing the choke control from its mount on the frame, finessing the rear rocker cover out from under the frame where it only comes out one way after wiggling it past about 3 other things. I'm getting old with a bad back and knees, and I can't get my bifocals to focus on what I need to see. It just makes me tired to even think about it. This is on a '98. From the pic of that Rebel 1100, it looks 10 times worse to work on it. Thanks for letting me rant. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/04/20 at 13:40:04 OK , 8-) I understand . I think ? My nephew who bought a GSX-R 750 had a similar problem of not seeing problems before he bought it. Problem was too much HP. for too little weight. That led to legal problems . ::) ........................... How about a push-rod motor from the time when HEI was High-Tec. What would that be ? :-? |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by oldNslow on 12/04/20 at 16:23:51 I may be an oddball but I'm kind of intrigued by the new Rebel. Almost 90 fewer pounds than my 883 Sportster, and almost 30 more HP. Looking at the specs, the Honda is close to the same size as a Sportster too. That's one of the things that I've always liked about Sportster's. They are actually pretty small motorcycles. I don't even think the Honda is all that ugly either. At least as long as I only had to look at the left side. That muffler though !! I mean, come on Honda, it's a parallel twin. How about a pair of nice slim pipes, one on each side of the bike. If they were black like everything else you'd hardly notice them! |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Armen on 12/05/20 at 06:42:05 I'm not a cruiser guy, but it looks ok for a cruiser. They'll sell a ton of them. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by DragBikeMike on 12/06/20 at 09:25:20 I kinda like this thing. The style is "unusual" but it looks to be totally functional. Nice comfy seat position. Pegs in just the right place. Bars just the right height & width. Suspension looks like it will probably be top notch. An exhaust system that places function over style. I googled it. It uses the basic Africa engine with a few changes. Has a 270 degree crank so it's gonna have that potato potato thump thump. Uses a different cam grind for each cylinder, one side optimizes power below 4000 rpm, the other side optimizes power above 4000 rpm. It has three levels of wheelie control (guess it makes some good power). A modern cruiser/standard, function over form. Cool. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/06/20 at 11:42:02 All fine and good ! But why did they have to make it so UGLY ? :-? So If both cylinders are not pulling the same , then there would be uneven wear and a slight vibration. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/09/20 at 03:33:20 https://www.v1moto.com/blog/patents-reveal-honda-rebel-1100--28400 Did you know ...... Honda has already patented a supercharged version of this same engine? It comes natural as a full computer controlled automatic (dual auto clutch) transmission? Completely lacks a foot shifter, completely lacks a clutch lever to aggravate MM with? Just twist the throttle and go go go ..... EACH VALVE is controlled separately by their own camshaft lobe? This helps explain the high hp OR high torque that was selected for each cylinder? Each piston can also have a separate compression ratio? It has the same seat height and ergo reaches as the Savage? Weight is 25 pounds more though. (engine is wider, too) Understand that anti-wheelie & anti-tire spin tech is built into it at three different levels/settings (has rain mode, normal mode and sports mode). Engine torque and HP is still relatively high for the bike's weight and wheel base although the bike is detuned specifically for safety reasons because of this. If you don't like to spin a rear tire or lift the front end periodically, go get something else weaker to ride. AND you can buy several 155 to 165 to 185 width 16" rim Darksider tubeless car tires that will fit inside the rear fender envelope. :o No, I am way too old and far too crip to be buying me a $10,000 motorcycle. http://https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/tgnbaziNzOH0vzudJ5rS1OaX1-0=/2068x1552/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bonnier/4W4TK6AJCZH3THZWZ4EF7JND2E.jpg http://https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/GCAQbyrnrnRAJLKnYULP6ChpKJI=/2068x1552/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bonnier/MHGM2U346BD6PH7VAAYXCIZHVQ.jpg |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/09/20 at 07:52:21 No, I am way too old and far too crip to be buying a $10,000 motorcycle. ........................... Its only Money ! :) Its make to be spent !! :) :) Passing "Rolling Road Blocks" on the back wheel ... 8-) |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/09/20 at 10:54:46 Dead inside 15 minutes, more likely ...... that bike has a 140 mph top end to it. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by verslagen1 on 12/09/20 at 13:37:51 Another long a$$ cam chain... no thanks. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/09/20 at 15:16:25 3F2C3B3A25282E2C2778490 wrote:
Yes, but it is a substantial looking cam chain that is NOT in the middle of the crankshaft, so replacement by popping the top cover and the side cover wouldn't be such a bugger bear to do. Bad news is it has a cat converter so no ZDDP rich oils need apply. Good news is ball bearing roller cam followers are used and the cam chain adjustment arc permits some fair amount of miles before you have to figure out how to cheat on it. But NO, I am too too frail to even think about it ....... bad bad bad evil motorcycle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko9BN1HJ_jc Don't watch this ...... killer eye candy warnings apply. http://https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/tgnbaziNzOH0vzudJ5rS1OaX1-0=/2068x1552/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bonnier/4W4TK6AJCZH3THZWZ4EF7JND2E.jpg |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/10/20 at 06:25:18 Ok, so I am a complete idiot for telling you this ---- I went for a test ride this morning at my local mega shop who had free "ride me" days set up for Christmas. I had to wait for a ride to become available, but they had four so I didn't have to wait long for one to come back in. Got settled in on the recessed seat and it feels exactly like a Savage as far as set height and curved form goes. Start button pushed, and hit the twist grip. There is no clutch so it just rolls on out instantly. They have a course laid out with some fairly long rows, so you do not get to leave the mega store's facilities proper and the total ride time is fairly short anyway. Handling is pretty much typical, you can make a short radius turn if you need to, but you have to back way off the throttle a whole lot if you do that. Overbalancing in a sharp turn is possible, so don't try to go fast as you are responsible for any damage that takes place. Acceleration is SHARP and ABRUPT, you have twice the torque available than what you are used to. Braking is typical as you don't have a lot of speed to kill on that little windy path they make you take. Rolling off the throttle supplies a considerable amount of braking force, which was unexpected (and potentially dangerous) at times. The thing has a form of cruise control, but I would have to have a lot of open space before I'd dare try hitting on that push button. All in all, it was fairly frustrating to me, as I felt it could do so much more if given some open road to do it in. Coming back in was also aggravating as they wanted me to back it back into the go position for the next user. Plus the little beeping sound it makes when backing it up reminds me of a kiddie ride at the fair. Would I pay $10,000 for one? Heck no, they are a lot cheaper later on when the OEM battery gives out and it won't run any more. ;D https://static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/4YFD9_AS01?$lgthumb$&hei=150&wid=150&$adapimg$= betcha feel silly, don't you? I know I do ..... |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by springman on 12/10/20 at 15:15:55 Price is steep, that's why I said let's see what becomes available in 5 years or so! 8-) Oh, by the way, really good review there Oldfeller. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/10/20 at 15:28:33 I think turbocharging would be more fuel efficient than supercharging as you get your exhaust gas driven compression practically for free but you have to pay up front for crank hp to run the supercharger all the time. Both would be ugly as sin, however --- might be better to put the standard Africa Twin motor into it instead and go from 80 to 100 hp in the least ugly way possible. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/10/20 at 20:11:30 Wow OldFeller ! 8-) I'm glad to catch wind of you getting on two wheels again ! :) ............................. The Older I get the Lighter/Smaller bike I'm going to. In a few years we could meet to go Ridding again ! Seriously ! ;) I don't think I could get comfortable on a turbocharged 1100cc. . |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Oldfeller--FSO on 12/11/20 at 00:19:06 Once again, I feel stupid doing this, but you need to look at the pics of what I was test riding to get the full picture. Read the post again, I never said two wheels. Them durn assumptions get you every time ...... I also apologize for practicing my Intel Press Release skills on trusting people, I am ashamed about that (again). https://static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/4YFD9_AS01?$lgthumb$&hei=150&wid=150&$adapimg$= betcha feel silly, don't you? This is what I ride now, I am a crip who needs these things now. Still an evil crip though, one that would pass you in a tunnel and give you a backfire to munch on while doing it. (if I was still riding motorcycles in the mountains that is) Still, I drive my wife around in the car though and she gives me proper driving laws and proper road manners and good driving advice and an occasional slap on the head as needed. hee hee |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/11/20 at 07:03:49 The MP3-500 from the guzzi company. It tilts/leans with ya like a two wheeler. Maybe I should buy Marcia one so I can ride it sometimes ? https://www.piaggio.com/us_EN/news-list/Piaggio-MP3-Sport-500-3-Wheel-Scooter-Arrives-in-USA/ |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by Matchless G11 on 12/11/20 at 14:30:54 190B190B06151A171C540 wrote:
I like that Trail 125 also , I just wish it would have three things. 1 the high - low transmission like the trail 90. 2 The detachable gas tank like the trail 90. 3 A clutch, unlike the trail 90. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by ohiomoto on 12/11/20 at 18:19:49 MMRanch, Funny how I used to hate these things when I was younger but they make so much more sense the further past 50 I get! http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Honda_Trail_125_001.jpg |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by ohiomoto on 12/11/20 at 18:24:10 But the moto in me still wants this: http://https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/8Ka6Gwju_LYFrAKowabNb2qTGko=/760x342/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bonnier.s3.amazonaws.com/public/E4JL5W6DWX2ELDZ62WLYBNBOGY.jpg |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by LANCER on 12/12/20 at 09:22:56 292E2F292B293229460 wrote:
Do you remember or know of Trampas Parker ? He lives locally and is a AHRMA race promoter and we have a sanctioned race here every fall. He’s had this one here for 4-5 years and it was HUGE this year. They ran races literally nonstop from 9am-dark Fri. night, Sat. & Sun. morning. Our CMA chapter volunteers as flangers for the races but I wasn’t able to attend this one. The past 2 years they have been big but this year [b]Doubled[b] in size. Years ago I heard about an American rider winning motocross in Europe but I had no clue who he was. He is a very good man now, and readily admits problems in the past. He is a changed man from his own description. Late September is the general timeframe for the races. Plenty of camping space on the sight too, it’s in Nichols Park, which encircles a small lake. It’s just a mile or 2 south of Henryetta on the Lake Rd., if some of y’all remember that. We may have taken the loop around it, just can’t remember. |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by ohiomoto on 12/12/20 at 11:13:18 Lancer, I do not know Trampas personally, but I remember and will never forget his accomplishments! He was a AMA Pro at the height of Americas world domination of the sport. The US circuit had the world's very best riders and still does. Before that the euros dominated and the world's best riders usually raced in Europe. I think Trampas was competitive on the US circuit but maybe not fast enough to compete for a Championship. He got an offer to ride on the World GP circuit and won a couple of world championships! Something only a few Americans had accomplished and I think he was the first and maybe the only American to successfully defend his championship. Something to be proud of. Americans were dominating the sport worldwide. We all loved it!! To this day, most best riders are racing in in the US but it has never been easy to win a world championship and fast riders are coming from all over the world. If you see Trampas you are looking at a World Champion! http://https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6479550921_b37fdfce6e_o.jpg |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by MMRanch on 12/12/20 at 12:54:36 Yes Lancer , we did take the loop ride around the lake. I thought it was odd that the dam wasn't any higher than it is , especially considering how much water it holds back ! The land is REALLY FLAT in the area !! That might be fun to come help ya'll and camp-out at the track ! :) If ya'll get different CMAUSA clubs to help ? ................ There is a feller here who does something like that with "Flat-Tracking" , one of the races is the "Houngan" race , where you race what ya rode. But its for 750cc and above , so guys like me on a Savage can't show-up the Harley bunch. ::) |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by ohiomoto on 12/12/20 at 17:33:19 Those hooligan races look like so much fun!! |
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Title: Re: Honda Rebel 1100 Post by LANCER on 12/13/20 at 14:39:12 33343533313328335C0 wrote:
If I were much younger I would want to try to see if I can get around the track in something resembling a broad slide, if not then not. Practicing by myself with a good instructor would be immensely beneficial though....better wait to see if I passed.. But the IDEA of it ? Oh yes, I would love to, it’s my favorite type of racing to watch. |
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