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Title: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/21/20 at 23:55:58 Remember all Trump cares about is owning the Libs and revenge on anyone who won't lie for him. Pretty soon now will come the corruptly issued pardons. Let's get ahead of the curve and have some suggestion on who will get the pardons, and will Trump try to pardon himself, or resign before the 20th and get Pence to pardon him? discuss. I reckon as soon as he has squeezed out as much bs as possible the pardons will begin so I'm guessing that as soon as the GSA declares Biden the victor, Trump will try to play any cards that he has left and then try to drag out the pardons soon afterwards in a continuous stream to milk it for all the publicity he can. I have to say though that Biden is playing this very well, not biting at anything. A quiet projection of real power. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/25/20 at 17:31:41 Welp that didn't take long, Flynn pardoned today. I guess Trump has a lot of pardons lined up and wanted a quick start or to soften up the public for the inevitable family pardons. Can a President corruptly issue a pardon? That has never been tested and surely it must be by the new attorney general. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by Serowbot on 11/26/20 at 06:52:50 May be a dumb move. If Flynn is called to testify in future,... possibly in a Trump investigation, he can no longer plead the 5th with his new "Get out of jail free" card. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/27/20 at 18:21:41 Prosecution DROPPED CHARGES. Corrupt lefty judge somehow managed to pretend he's God. The man was wrongly prosecuted. Railroaded. But, lefties see what lefties see. It's PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/27/20 at 19:34:18 He pleaded guilty twice lying to the FBI, strange thing is that he didn't need to lie, but he instinctively wanted to protect Trump. "lefty judges" that's your go to excuse for everything. The case was corruptly dropped by the corrupt Barr. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/27/20 at 20:59:08 Too bad you're LYING to yourself. The facts are readily available. The corrupt F.B.I. were threatening his son. Go fact check these points. https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/dozen-belated-disclosures-turned-tide-michael-flynns |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/27/20 at 23:46:40 Thats how all your posts go, there's the "LIAR" part in all caps, then there's the "leftists" in there somewhere as if that seals the deal, then there's the inevitable bullshit conspiracy theory and a link to a nut job website that pushes these conspiracy theories. Rinse and repeat. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/28/20 at 01:16:27 There's the I don't like the title. I don't like who said it. Either look at and show me Why What is being said isn't true or just keep proving why lefties can't learn truth over agenda driven beliefs. They FUKKED Flynn or the Sumbitch would still be in prison. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by MnSpring on 11/28/20 at 07:54:01 44564241565052370 wrote:
When he get's to, 1,947. Then run your tt/TDS inspired mouth. Obama absolved the sentences of 1,937 convicts |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by Serowbot on 11/28/20 at 08:01:10 How many of those were personal friends or family members?... |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/28/20 at 14:14:28 Really? The F.B.I. guys decided Flynn had done nothing wrong. Then BIG wigs said No.. Try to be honest. The guy was railroaded. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by Eegore on 11/28/20 at 15:33:20 Obama "pardoned" 212 people. Commutations and remissions are separate things. Trump has issued considerably less of all when compared to Obama. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/28/20 at 15:39:14 Trump has issued considerably less of all when compared to Obama. And your point is? The F.B.I. guys decided Flynn had done nothing wrong. To be fair, what Flynn did was not that big a deal there was really no reason for him to lie. Nevertheless he did, and it's the felony offence of lying under oath to the FBI that he's being prosecuted for. So you can't say committing a felony offence is not doing anything wrong. Oh sorry my bad you can say that because you are JoG and you can say whatever the fcuk you like because er... that's who you are. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/28/20 at 15:52:30 I think people are missing the word "corrupt" in the heading. I'm not talking of questionable pardons of which Clinton and Obama both did, and that Trump has also done, for example the pardoning of Arpaio which was also a questionable pardon. But none of the pardons as far as I know, by Obama, or Bush, or Clinton, were 'corruptly issued'. The Arpaio pardon was not corruptly issued and bad as it was, it is within the broad pardon powers of the President. What is a corrupt pardon? Well this has never been tested in court because the issue has not arisen. Let's say Arpaio paid Trump for a pardon, that would be corrupt, is it illegal? That has not been tested. Maybe, maybe not. Payment is but one form of renumeration and I doubt any President would deem it worthwhile to issue a corrupt pardon for that reason. However, Roger Stone was pardoned corruptly because his lies were not to protect himself but to protect the president and the president telegraphed that he would reward that. Stone's testimony would have virtually forced the Senate to remove Trump. Trump signalled to Stone that he need not fear any consequences of lying or flipping because he will be pardoned, that is certainly corrupt. So pardons that personally benefit the president are by definition corrupt but we don't know if they are illegal. Yet. Can the President pardon himself? Probably not, but again that has not been tested. The Supreme Court shot down Trump's argument that he is immune from the law, that he is above the law and cannot be prosecuted. This is why the pardoning of Flynn and Stone and any others who lied to cover up illegal activity by the President *have* to be taken to the Supreme Court. They should be reversed because it's obvious the Framers of the Constitution did not want a King, even if Barr thinks otherwise. Will the Supreme Court agree that the President can pardon himself, will the Supreme Court agree that the pardoning powers of the President have no limit? They might, but this has to be tested. If they do agree then so be it. However imagine what it would mean if they did agree, it would mean that a future President can do whatever the fcuk he/she wants, without fear. Anything. Anything at all. He could murder someone and pardon himself, he could pay for a political assignation and pardon himself. Hard to see the Supreme Court agreeing to that, although they might. But it has to be tested. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by Eegore on 11/28/20 at 16:06:25 "Trump has issued considerably less of all when compared to Obama. And your point is?" My point is that Trump has issued 212 "pardons". He has issued fewer pardons, commutations and remissions than Obama. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/28/20 at 16:13:04 My point is that Trump has issued 212 "pardons". Those are the words you said, but that wasn't my question. As you well know, I'm asking what was the point you're making by saying that? When someone is asked the point they are making and they just repeat the words they said, that either means, they don't have a point, or that they don't understand what 'making a point' actually means. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by Eegore on 11/28/20 at 16:52:58 I said those words because I have information that indicates to me that Obama, "pardoned" 212 people. My objective was to indicate how many pardons Obama made. I actually misspoke when I said Trump had that many earlier. My point would be Obama conducted pardons that equaled 212, and the high number indicator of "absolved" inmates is not due specifically to "pardons". |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/28/20 at 17:24:48 I said those words because I have information that indicates to me that Obama, "pardoned" 212 people. Lol, that's just saying the same thing as repeating the words. How about "I said those words because the words that I intended to say aligned with the words that I wrote down. etc etc ad nauseam. I do not believe you are an idiot or an imbecile why force me to treat you as if you are? What is the purpose. You know what it means to make a point so when I asked you what the point you wanted to make why did you just repeat the words and pretend that was the point. My point would be Obama... I'm not asking you what you point 'would be' I'm asking you what was the precise point you were making. Yes I get that the number 212 means you thought that pointed to Obama's 'high number of pardons' absolved or otherwise. I'm still asking the same question, I'm talking about corruptly issued pardons, it's in the thread title, and you want to say that Obama issued a large number of pardons. OK, still what is the point you're making? If you had said 'obama issued corrupt pardons' then I could see that the point would be one of moral equivalence but you did not say that. I'm saying Trump is issuing corrupt pardons, and you answer that Obama issued a lot of (normal) pardons. I could try and second guess the point you're making but if I do that you'll just answer "no I didn't say that" and on and on that's your game. But I'm wanting to know the point you're making by saying Obama had a lot of pardons, how does that relate to Trump's corruptly issued pardons? Was there a point or was it a non sequitur. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by Eegore on 11/28/20 at 17:41:39 When MnSpring said: "When he get's to, 1,947. Then run your tt/TDS inspired mouth. Obama absolved the sentences of 1,937 convicts" I think it's important to take into account, even though Trump's combined numbers are much lower, Obama "pardoned" as in the topic you speak of, 212. Theoretically he corruptly pardoned zero. So it doesn't make sense to say when Trump gets to 1,937 "pardons" he would be equal to Obama, when actually he would only need to "pardon" 212. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/28/20 at 18:26:43 Eegore, was that so difficult. Did we need to have all this argy bargy first? OK now I get it everyone is only interested in talking about pardons, and apparently whoever pardoned the most is the worst according to Mn and you just wanted to put your two cents in. OK now I get it. Everyone is off topic. Which is when will the corrupt pardon storm begin, not when will the pardon storm begin. The point I'm making of course is we knew that it was coming, and but it seems that the Trump defenders here don't seem to care how much he has corrupted the very institutions of the Executive branch. Still more corrupt pardons he issues the easier it is to challenge it in the SCOTUS, hopefully the Attorney General elect will elect to test this as one of his first priorities. That will put the SC in a very uncomfortable position. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by WebsterMark on 11/29/20 at 04:45:28 Corrupt Pardons are in the eye of the beholder. Read an interesting idea. Trump should issue pardons to Joe Biden’s brother James and of course Joe’s son Hunter. The reason is it would remove one possible avenue of extortion from those who know and have evidence what slimy traitorous crooks they were when selling the VP office. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by MnSpring on 11/29/20 at 06:56:38 6444464E5344210 wrote:
Very cleaver way of putting words in someone else's mouth. Words you want other people to believe. People like the tt clones, who cannot understand many things. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/29/20 at 12:55:55 Corrupt Pardons are in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps that's true if the eye is yours. Like fraudulent votes, in your eye they are real in Trump's eye they are real, on OAN, and Newsmax and other nut job organisations they are real. In court where they have been presented to Republican appointed judges they are non existent, no fraud claims made, no evidence presented. Outside of court there's a mountain of 'evidence' Same with corruption, like Trump's attempt to extort Ukraine, or his offering of pardons to buy the silence of those with evidence of his malfeasance, both plainly illegal and plainly corrupt. It must be strange to live in a reality completely untethered from actual objective facts. I can only wonder what deep troubles and fear in your mind fuel this insanity, cause you to label your fellow American as scum, and draw your fealty towards a plainly crazy pseudo authoritarian wannabe clinical narcissistic dictator. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/29/20 at 14:45:26 like Trump's attempt to extort Ukraine Oh my GOD! Funniest load ofFSHOOT I've read in months! LaffmyMutherfukkinASSoff! |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/29/20 at 15:38:44 @JoG, What part of 'corrupt' are you having difficult understanding? |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by Eegore on 11/29/20 at 17:03:57 MnSpring cut out this specific sentence from eu de sauvage's post: "... now will come the corruptly issued pardons ..." Due to the selection of only the part of eau's post that says "corrupt "pardons" Specifically the word pardons leads me to believe MnSpring was referencing pardons. This is because he chose to cut the part of the post specifically indicating pardons. His response to this was: When he get's to, 1,947. Then run your tt/TDS inspired mouth. Obama absolved the sentences of 1,937 convicts" "He" to me indicates Trump and "when he gets to" means to me that when Trump gets to a specific number, and "1,947", to me means the number 1,947 and no other number. Since the quoted section was about "pardons" and the response was "when he gets to 1,947" I assessed that the intention was to say when Trump gets to 1,947 pardons eau can run his TDS inspired mouth. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 11/29/20 at 17:47:42 If you are willing to decipher and answer Mn's posts then that's a job I happily leave for you. For my part they are too batshit crazy to bother with. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by MnSpring on 11/30/20 at 07:07:50 67756162757371140 wrote:
WOW, 112.42%, tt talk ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D OK Bot, now I know it is perfectly OK, for me to call anybody, or their posts, who is a member of this Forum, '...batshit crazy...' 24362221363032570 wrote:
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 12/01/20 at 20:57:17 "US justice department investigates alleged 'bribery for pardon' scheme at White House" Let the fun begin! Trump tweets 'fake news' even though the details are in an unsealed court filing. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/01/bribery-president-pardon-scheme-allegation-court-filing |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 12/03/20 at 15:05:15 Looks like some unintended consequences could result from the corrupt pardons. Take Flynn's pardon, it does not just pardon him for the crimes he pleaded guilty to but it pardons him agains crimes he has not been charged with at all, sweeping and broad pardons about virtually anything. BUT, that means that if called to testify for example in the recently unsealed probe into pardons for cash, he loses all his 5th amendment rights and can be compelled to testify against any wrongdoing by Trump. And a pardon does not protect someone for committing further crimes after the pardon was issued, so if he then lies under oath when he is compelled to testify in things he's been pardoned preemptively for then that lying would be a federal felony and he would have no protection. Not the pardon, not the 5th. doh! Same problems arise if Trump pardons his progeny with broad sweeping pardons, that again means that they lose all 5th amendment protections and can be compelled to give evidence and be charged if they lie. Broad pardons stir up a shitstorm of trouble. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by MnSpring on 12/03/20 at 15:25:47 46544043545250350 wrote:
WOW, what a, Bat $hit Crazy Post ! LOLOL |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/03/20 at 16:12:19 Flynn should never have been prosecuted. He only lied When he admitted to lying. The information is readily available. The only corruption here is the prosecution. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 12/03/20 at 18:02:48 @JoG, No when he lied about lying, that was perjury, which is one of the things that Trump's pardon now protects him against. He was charged with lying to the FBI under oath which is a federal felony. Where he went wrong was lying in the first place because his crime was not really very serious, he could have just said, yeah I did that, my bad, and he would not have gotten into trouble. Problem is that he wasn't in the loop to know what he could say, so he just lied, not to protect himself, but just in case he needed to protect Trump. However that is not what my post was about, it was pointing out that because Trump didn't just pardon him for what he was charged with but gave him a certificate with wide ranging pre emptive pardons for just about anything that he might possibly have committed or anything at all involving anything that may have come out of the Mueller probe. However that means, and this was my point, that means that he loses his fifth amemdmant rights and he can be called to testify in anything that his pardon now covers and he can be compelled to answer, because of the pardon. Whereas before the pardon he could refuse to answer anything self incriminating, now not only can he be compelled to answer and possibly incriminate Trump, but that if he then lies, the pardon doesn't cover him because pardons only cover crimes committed before the pardon was issued. This is just one of the problems that Trump finds himself in when he issues broad pardons. The only thing that can save him is if he separately pardons himself, and while it's never been tested, it is unlikely in the extreme that the Supreme court would put Trump above the law, or any future president for that matter. Not only that but even Barr testified that it would be illegal to issue a pardon in order for Trump to protect someone from incriminating him. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/03/20 at 19:28:41 fbi didn'tbelieveFlynnlied ALLIMAGESVIDEOSMAPSNEWS Trending 2,860,000 ResultsAny time FBI concluded Flynn wasn't an agent of Russia and didn't ... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fbi... A n internal Justice Department draft memo from late January 2017 indicates that the FBI concluded retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn was not acting as an agent of Russia and noted that agents believed... Elusive Government Memo Shows FBI Did Not Think … https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/10/michael-flynn... Jul 10, 2020 · A Justice Department memo from late January 2017 shows that the FBI did not believe that Michael Flynn intentionally lied in a White House interview at the center of his legal case. The memo, which the Justice Department gave Flynn’s lawyers this week, also said that the FBI did not believe that Flynn was acting as a Russian agent. Author: Chuck Ross FBI agents tried to get Flynn to lie to get him fired: report https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/fbi-agents-tried-to... Apr 30, 2020 · Newly released FBI documents turned over to Michael Flynn show agents openly questioned if their "goal" was to "get him to lie," when questioning him about Russian contacts. PEOPLE ALSO ASK Did fbi agents believe flynn lied? Did flynn talk to fbi? Did Flynn plead guilty? Feedback PolitiFact | No, the FBI did not say Michael Flynn did not ... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/28/... Mar 28, 2019 · No, the FBI did not say Michael Flynn did not lie, as Donald Trump said In his first interview since being cleared of criminally conspiring in Russia’s 2016 election interference, President Donald... REVEALED: FBI 302s show agents didn’t believe Flynn was ... https://therightscoop.com/revealed-fbi-302s-show... Dec 14, 2018 · The FBI 302 of Flynn’s interview has been released as the judge ordered, and it does validate the reporting we heard many months ago that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did NOT believe he was lying. Byron York: Comey told Congress FBI agents didn't think ... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york... With Flynn awaiting sentencing — that was recently delayed until at least May — some lawmakers are trying to figure out what occurred between the … House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think ... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-report... Apr 27, 2018 · House Intelligence Committee Republicans, in their newly released report concluding their Russia investigation, seemed to back up reports that FBI agents did not think ex-White House national... Related searches for fbi didn't believe flynn lied |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by eau de sauvage on 12/03/20 at 19:39:02 All you have done is post links to right wing fringe websites, not one respected source. It makes no difference what you say "people believe" Flynn himself pleaded guilty twice to lying to the FBI and that fact that he didn't need to lie is not the point. In many cases it's the cover up that is more serious than the crime, and the reason that lying to the FBI under oath is such a big deal is that if anyone could like to them without any consequences then the whole justice system breaks down. He lied that he has no contacts with Kislyak while he was actually asking them to back down. I remember it at the time. He was sacked for lying to Pence as well. So that he lied is not in dispute. To try and pretend that it wasn't serious is just for people like you to keep you angry and justified. But why are you trying to hammer that non point home. The real point is that his overbroad wide ranging pardon for crimes he hasn't even been charged with, should set the alarm bells going. Remember Flynn was working with the Turkish govt to try and abduct someone for Erdogan. However the point is once again that his over broad pardon means he loses his 5th amendment protections. Meaning his pardon doesn't cover future lying that he can now be compelled to testify too. But the real story is that he has no more 5th amendment protections, to protect Trump. You need to read other news source instead of your fringe conspiracy sites. Try this just to get some balance occasionally. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/secrets-flynn-lied-conceal/611377/ And here are the transcripts that he lied about. https://www.lawfareblog.com/director-national-intelligence-declassifies-flynn-kislyak-transcripts |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by MnSpring on 12/04/20 at 05:30:08 24362221363032570 wrote:
WOW, what another, Bat $hit Crazy Post ! Where the Kettle calls the Pot black ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by WebsterMark on 12/04/20 at 05:31:59 All you have done is post links to right wing fringe websites, not one respected source. Yea JOG, what’s wrong with you? Get a respectable news source like Jeff Zucker and his holy CNN correspondents. Shame on you JOG for looking elsewhere. No worries, Eau will put in a good word for you and make sure you get an extra sheet when you get to one of the camps. |
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Title: Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Post by MnSpring on 12/04/20 at 05:49:26 " ... get an extra sheet when you get to one of the camps ... " Is that the, 'camp', where one goes, if they decide to drive through Tucson AZ, From Phoenix to Tombstone On the Freeway, between 10PM and 5AM |
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