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Title: Better Call Giuliani! Post by eau de sauvage on 11/18/20 at 21:49:43 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/18/rudy-giuliani-opacity-lawyer-for-you/ Better Call Hi! I’m Rudy Giuliani! Have you been injured in an election? Do you think you should be president, but due to an unexpected setback, you’ve wound up short by thousands of votes in key states? Hire me, and you will get the settlement you deserve! And I mean the settlement you deserve! I guarantee OPACITY — is a word whose meaning will elude me when I appear in court on your behalf! I will say something to the judge like, “I’m not quite sure I know what ‘opacity’ means. It probably means you can see, right?” and then the judge will say, “It means you can’t,” and I will say, “Big words, your honor.” That’s the kind of legal representation you can expect from me! It’s on the record! The above is not satire, Guilani actually made that 'opacity' statement. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Serowbot on 11/19/20 at 07:06:08 Rent a clown... $20,000 a day ::) |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by MnSpring on 11/19/20 at 07:32:42 6F796E736B7E73681C0 wrote:
Would you say that about your, Grandfather/s, Father, Brother, Son, ???????? |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Serowbot on 11/19/20 at 08:04:52 It is what it is... ;D |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by eau de sauvage on 11/19/20 at 14:43:26 Guiliani's clown makeup is literally dripping down his face... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/19/rudy-giuliani-dye-my-cousin-vinny-press-conference http://https://i.postimg.cc/tgcx6MsH/3319.jpg |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/19/20 at 17:24:53 I didn’t see it but I read he had dozens of affidavits from poll workers who made various claims. Did these people make up these stories and lie under oath? |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Rockn on 11/19/20 at 18:55:18 1C2E29383F2E39062A39204B0 wrote:
15 seconds of research here would yield your answer. He's full of sh!t and was extremely vague in his description of those "dozens of affidavits" because even the specific ones he did mention have already been thrown out. The real problem is Trump supporters will read the headlines from this and run with it, devoid of any research or critical thinking. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Eegore on 11/19/20 at 19:44:02 Its hard to get in on what Webstermark is asking when so many other things are just nonsense. "One of the reasons why the Republicans did not certify in Wayne County, Michigan, was because the over-vote was so high, what I'm describing to you is a massive fraud." Very convenient that in 2016 they didn't care when the overcount percentage was almost double what it is today and they won. Only massive fraud when you lose I guess, if you win its all good. Smartmatic and Dominion conspire to rig the election like they did in Venezuela. Real handy since they are competitors, sued each other, and Smartmatic spoke out against Chavez. I guess this idea works for anyone that won't look it up. There's more issues but those stuck out most to me. I am looking forward to this Introductory Statement and I really hope there's more substance than all this speculative nonsense. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/19/20 at 20:10:51 The affidavits he referred to have been “thrown out”? How do you throw an affidavit out TT? If affidavits were sworn presumably they’ll be viewable before or when filed as public record during a lawsuit right? |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Eegore on 11/19/20 at 20:14:56 I think affidavits can be inadmissible, which to me, would mean they were thrown out, as in out of court proceedings. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/19/20 at 20:15:57 123230382532570 wrote:
I hope there is more than a few dozen instances of fraud as stated by numerous individual poll workers. While awful, those violations are to be expected given the leftist proclivity for lawlessness. I’ve been suspicious of this Sidney Powell woman from the beginning. Either you’ve got hard evidence or you don’t. I believe leftist would go to any length to defeat Trump but there’s a very real practically problem to overcome if you’re going to flip 7 million votes. I hope she’s got something. What that could be, I’m not sure. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by eau de sauvage on 11/20/20 at 02:46:10 Trump knows he's lost, and there are a few reasons to keep this bs up, among them are to keep the fans engaged/enraged to gather funds. BUT one reason that has leaked out after telling some of his aids, is simple revenge. He still feels annoyed that he felt that the Russia interference has delegitimised his Presidency and he basically just wants to fcuk Biden over. It's that simple. This also explains why only 3rd rate non specialist lawyers and clowns are representing him. So there's no point in taking any of the 'evidence' seriously because if any of it was serious evidence then it he wouldn't have had 32 suits thrown out or withdrawn, by the latest count. btw affidavits don't in and of themselves mean anything other than they are sworn statements. If the statements that are sworn to are hearsay or otherwise irrelevant then they are not admissible. Further the bar to overturn an election result is such that even if some issue did occur, for it to also be admissible it would need to be of such a scale as to actually affect enough votes to have the effect of overturning the election. So what is admissible in a court of law pursuant to trying to overturn an election is very different to the bar set for a twitter post or a random rant at a press conference, much less a meaningless interwebs forum. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-dTHd63Vz4[/media] |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by NHLycan on 11/20/20 at 03:31:41 The only rational explanation for Rudy's appearance is obvious if you think about it. He's a first generation replicant created by the libs/Biden in the pizza shop basement skunk works. They clearly killed the real Rudy and put this incoherent melting clone in his place. The real Rudy would have beaten all thee lawsuits. Ipso facto, a clone. ;D |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/20 at 04:50:50 An affidavit used as evidence in an investigation that results in an indictment or presented as evidence in a trial, signed and acknowledged by the signer as truthful and later found to have been signed knowing the statements made were false, is actionable for perjury charges. It is not simply a signed statement when signed as a basis for legal action. I cannot see any lawyer advising a client to knowing sign a statement with the understanding the statement was a binding, legal document. Now, I have no idea if the statements these people made are true or if the instances they refer to are so isolated in nature as to make them irrelevant from a statewide vote counting point of view. No one knows that without an investigation and legal proceedings if warranted. The accusations Powell is making are beyond precedent setting. Using real world logic, the number of people in on the conspiracy would make it virtually impossible to pull off. I can’t see it being true. If true, the only fix would be to waive the results of the entire election and schedule a replacement at some point in the future with national procedures. That would be equally precedent setting (against the Constitution) and I don’t see that happening either. No, the theft occurred when mail in and absentee voting was expanded knowing full well typically unengaged voters who get their info from Lester Holt, SNL, Jimmy Fallon, Oliver and other clowns who would otherwise never bother to vote, with a 3 or 4 week window, would find time to put an X next to Biden’s name and drop it in the mailbox. I hope Powell’s right. I hope she’s got real evidence behind that big mouth. I hope this is not some ploy to build a news/entertainment empire with Trump supporters the way the MSM has build one with leftist supporters. I hope the plan is not to force Fox to the middle and capture the market on the right with the thought Fox would eventually either fade away or essentially merge with CNN, leaving them with 1/2 the American news market. Disgusting to think that, but that’s the natural evolution of the news industry since the MSM selected the Democratic Party to latch on to which opened the door for Fox to latch on the the Republican Party. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/20 at 04:58:12 Interesting https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/Miller_DeclarationAndAnalyisPA_GOP_BallotRequestData_2020_Final.pdf |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Serowbot on 11/20/20 at 06:12:52 635156474051467955465F340 wrote:
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/20 at 06:37:31 Sorry about that. Posted a link within a link. Scroll through the article to find link. https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/mathematics-prof-says-sworn-statement-many-56000-gop-ballots-pa-may-be |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/20 at 07:11:28 Here are some pages: Declaration of Professor of Mathematics, Steven J Miller, Ph.D. 1. My name is Steven J. Miller. I am over 18 years of age and am competent to testify in this action. All of the facts stated herein are true and based on my personal knowledge. 2. I received a B.S. in Mathematics and Physics from Yale University in 1996 and a Ph.D of Mathematics from Princeton University in 2002. I have published numerous papers and written several books on statistical topics, and have taught probability and statistics for the past 15 years. 3. I am currently a professor of mathematics at Williams College. I make this declaration in my personal capacity. 4. I have analyzed phone bank data provided to me regarding responses to questions relating to mail ballot requests, returns and related issues. 5. I evaluated the data provided and performed a statistical evaluation of the data and various related calculations. I provide this declaration with regard to the report presenting my findings. 6. I can show, to a reasonable degree of professional certainty, that the conclusions as stated in this report are correct. I declare under the penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. Steven J Miller, Ph.D. November 17, 2020 |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/20 at 07:12:08 REPORT ON PA GOP ABSENTEE BALLOT REQUESTS Steven J Miller, Professor of Mathematics Williams College, Williamstown, MA 01267 sjm1@williams.edu, 617-835-3982 EXECUTIVE SUMMARY The analysis was performed on a data set provided by Matt Braynard and his firm, Election Data Services. • Estimate of ballots requested in the name of a registered Republican by someone other than that person: 40,875 to 53,909. • Estimate of Republican ballots that the requester returned but were not counted: 48,522 to 44,892 (these go in the opposite order as the previous : if more of the ballots are requested by someone other than the registered voter, that means there are fewer ballots left that we estimate were incorrectly return ed.). Thus I estimate that the number of ballots that were either requested by someone other than the registered Republican or requested and returned but not counted range from 89,397 to 98,801. Doing a more detailed analysis with confidence intervals, I estimate that almost surely (based on the data I received) that the number of ballots requested by someone other than the registered Republican is between 37,001and 58,914, and almost surely the number of ballots requested by registered Republicans and returned but not counted is in the range from 38,910 to 56,483. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Serowbot on 11/20/20 at 08:19:44 A dazzling array of numbers. ... but I don't think estimates of potential ballots that could or couldn't be counted are evidence. I don't really get what he's saying. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/20 at 10:04:31 Did you read it? What are you not following? |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Eegore on 11/20/20 at 10:38:41 "The analysis was performed on a data set provided by Matt Braynard and his firm, Election Data Services." The numbers are interesting to see, but one thing to keep in mind is the data set being analyzed are provided by Trump's data director during the 2016 campaign. What I would like to know is how many statisticians/mathematicians etc. are looking over this data and what they see, and if anyone besides Election Data Services has access to the process. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Serowbot on 11/20/20 at 12:51:01 You must realize by now that the goal here is to create chaos and confusion rather than correct any mistakes or fraud in the election. It's the season finale' of the President Trump Show. ...and Trump is jumping the shark. :-? |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/20 at 13:50:14 4157405D45505D46320 wrote:
So you didn’t read any of it? Never considered any of it? Just waved it off? |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by eau de sauvage on 11/21/20 at 01:29:54 So you didn’t read any of it? Never considered any of it? Just waved it off? Correct, there's no point reading them unless/until they are admitted as evidence, until then they are meaningless. If they had any actual evidential value they'd already be admitted or more likely rejected. This might clear up some of your concerns about the affidavits... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/20/affidavit-giuliani-vote-fraud/ From the article above. I think this one is referring to the link you posted... The Trump campaign’s much-hyped affidavit features a big, glaring error But among the witnesses who have had their allegations aired in court, many have been dismissed by judges as inadmissible or not credible. One particularly high-profile one alleged many precincts in Michigan had more votes than actual voters, but shortly after Giuliani et al. raised the issue Thursday — alongside their pleas to take the affidavits seriously — it fell apart. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/20/trump-campaigns-much-hyped-affidavit-features-big-glaring-error |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/21/20 at 05:12:23 I was told for three years Trump colluded with Russia. That a cast away joke during a speech gave Russia operatives an idea to hack Hilary’s emails. That I was supposed to believe building a secure room and putting a server in was more convenient. That self-identifying thousands of emails was acceptable. That sending a dozen fully armed agents to arrest a 68 year old man at 6 am with a CNN camera crew in tow is acceptable. That a FBI director whose best recollection under oath is “I don’t recall”...that the head of The House’s Intelligence committee said he had clear and unequivocal evidence of collusion but never produced it and on and on and on.... Biden gives powderpuff “interviews” with “reporters” preselected to ask preapproved “questions”. And when one breaks ranks and doesn’t follow the script, he gets blasted. Be a “journalist “ he’s told. Lot of “quotes”. Pretty much sums up the “news” media and “Democratic” Party. They’re fake. The news is fake. You think we’re going to accept being lead to the slaughter like cattle thinking it’s just a casual stroll with the herd through a comfortable looking doorway. No. Some of us still have our balls. We’re not a bunch of emasculated wussies wearing masks strolling through a preapproved walking path past playground equipment with yellow crime scene tape around it. No. Resist. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Rockn on 11/21/20 at 05:26:30 Enjoy resisting with your snowflake cult while the rest of the world moves on without you. Keep yelling at the sky. Big crybabies can't even shut up and wear a mask, who's really the wuss? Boo hoo I have to put a piece of fabric over my mouth wahhh. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Eegore on 11/21/20 at 08:28:21 "You think we’re going to accept being lead to the slaughter like cattle thinking it’s just a casual stroll with the herd through a comfortable looking doorway. No. Some of us still have our balls. We’re not a bunch of emasculated wussies wearing masks strolling through a preapproved walking path past playground equipment with yellow crime scene tape around it. No. Resist." So how do guys with balls get judges to accept affidavits we do not have access to? And lets not pretend that if SARS-COV-2 was impacting youth like the last one did that people wouldn't be blasting the "experts" for not making sure people kept their kids out of high-spread areas. Anyone can look backwards in time and say "Look how dumb they were, sheep all of them." and pretend everyone knew then what we do today. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by eau de sauvage on 11/21/20 at 21:01:33 So how do guys with balls get judges to accept affidavits we do not have access to? Here is the actual judge talking about the affidavits. It is quite insane. The lawyer is admitting that he has submitted sworn affidavits that he himself has determined to be false. Then he submitted other that he is unable to determine are false... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_get06-tgo[/media] and here is a Harley rider with balls that he carries around in a wheelbarrow... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFzhc3i0PRY[/media] |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Eegore on 11/21/20 at 21:28:40 I'm glad you linked the court video that descried the affidavit collection process in AZ. I went to the site prior an thought to myself this can't actually be how they are doing it. It is unfortunately. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/22/20 at 04:35:46 29343830352F333E333A2C305B0 wrote:
Careful son. It’s not like the old days, you can’t hide behind Sew’s skirts like you used to. |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/22/20 at 04:44:42 49696B637E690C0 wrote:
So you immediately suspect these figures because you fear the source has reasons to alter the data, but accept figures without question from other sources who likewise have reasons to alter the data? Got it. People cheat, people steal. Just because they have an “official “ title behind them doesn’t mean you shrug and say “well they told me that’s what it was so I believe them.” |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by WebsterMark on 11/22/20 at 05:00:30 46544043545250350 wrote:
Is this Judge saying the attorney did an initial review of the affidavits and excluded the ones with limited or no verifiable evidence? The judge used the term “false” but that isn’t necessarily correct. 20 people witnessing the same action will report 20 different events. Weeding through them may yield 10 that supports physical evidence. You only have to read the history of the Michael Brown shooting and the stories from witnesses and how broad the range of stories were to understand that. Isn’t it the case where the attorney read through the affidavits and dismissed the ones obviously false and did not submit them? And is this the same case where the finding was if proven true, it wouldn’t have altered the outcome so it was dismissed? “The fact that your process for obtaining these affidavits yielded affidavits that you yourself found to be false does not support a finding that this process generates reliable evidence,” Kiley said. “This is concerning.” |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Serowbot on 11/22/20 at 07:04:01 From TDS Lefty Tucker Carlson... ::) Quote:
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by MnSpring on 11/23/20 at 07:12:06 415C50585D475B565B524458330 wrote:
Wow, that sounds, exactly like something, the person who was called, 'tt', would say ! How many 'reports/photos/videos', from the, (decidedly 80 (+/-) %) Socialistic Media. Showing UL, FDS, Socialists, as Big crybabies. And how many showing, Responsible, Conservative, Adults, doing the same ???????? |
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Title: Re: Better Call Giuliani! Post by Serowbot on 11/23/20 at 07:34:21 Responsible, Conservative, Adult, big crybabies? How's that work?... ::) |
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