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Message started by WebsterMark on 09/15/20 at 10:48:34

Title: Party of Science
Post by WebsterMark on 09/15/20 at 10:48:34

Go to FIRMS, which is a fire map.

So according to the party of science, climate change stops at the Canadian border?

https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:2020-09-14..2020-09-15;@0.0,0.0,3z

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/15/20 at 11:07:23

Would that be the same party of science that believes a man who has been a man for decades can decide he is a woman,, and everyone must pretend it is true..??

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by MnSpring on 09/15/20 at 12:15:37

4D5254534E4978487840525E15270 wrote:
Would that be the same party of science that believes a man who has been a man for decades can decide he is a woman,, and everyone must pretend it is true..??

Just for OUR, 'Down-Under', buddy,
who will believe every word !

NEWS FLASH !

"... The police department in the small hill country town of Kerrville, Texas, reported finding a man's body last Saturday, in the early evening, in the Pedernales River near the state highway-87 bridge. The dead man's name would not be released until his family had been notified.

The victim apparently drowned due to excessive beer consumption while visiting "someone" in Fredericksburg. When he was found, he was wearing black fishnet stockings, 10 inch spiked heels, a red garter belt, a pink G-string, purple lipstick, dazzle dust on his eyelids, 2 1/2 inch false eyelashes, and a Biden T-shirt.

The police removed the Biden T-shirt to spare his family any unnecessary embarrassment ..."

Couldn't find the 'Joke' posts in the Cafe,
However this is highly political anyway.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Serowbot on 09/16/20 at 08:12:11

Party of Science

What map are you looking at?...
I see no point here.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by WebsterMark on 09/16/20 at 10:43:46

Here Joe, let me help you. Open the map, scroll over to the north western US - southwestern Canada region. Change the overlays until you can see streets and cities and ask yourself why Canada, and even the populated areas of Calgary and Edmonton, have no mass outbreaks of wildfires. Seemingly, wildfires stop at the Canadian border.

Now, pretend you’re a real journalist who had has been listening to the Harris/Biden team complain that Trump and climate change is causing the fires in the western US. Look at the map again and ask yourself; does the presence of fires in the western US have more to do with climate change and the last 3 years of Trump’s policies....or....poor forest management policies of the US as compared with Canada? Which one is more likely?

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/16/20 at 11:40:17

Frikken logic Nazi..

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/17/20 at 00:38:29

I am not seeing reports of fires in Mexico,, they dont have trees?
Its globull warming,, but how many arsonists have been arrested?

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by WebsterMark on 09/17/20 at 04:57:21

37282E2934330232023A28246F5D0 wrote:

I am not seeing reports of fires in Mexico,, they dont have trees?
Its globull warming,, but how many arsonists have been arrested?

Stop questioning The Party of Science son. They’ve never been wrong about anything and are infinitely wise and accommodating to all points of view. And their representative on this forum, Mr. Serowbot, mimics those traits perfectly as does our Australian friend. Now stay in your house, wear your little cloth mask that will protect you from anything and just wait for Joe Biden to be elected. He’ll stop this pandemic in its tracks. He told you he would. Well, he didn’t actually tell you that. He read it from a prepared statement at a “press conference” where reporters and their questions were preapproved but stop looking around the curtain.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/17/20 at 09:12:30

wear your little cloth mask that will protect you from anything ..

Mehhh,, last I saw someone said CDC had decided the masks arent sufficient to stop the smoke and ash,,
But a Virus,, well,, thats all different..

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by MnSpring on 09/17/20 at 12:10:15

223D3B3C21261727172F3D317A480 wrote:
wear your little cloth mask that will protect you from anything .. Mehhh,, last I saw someone said CDC had decided the masks arent sufficient to stop the smoke and ash,,
But a Virus,, well,, thats all different..

Micron sizes of common things.

0.3-0.4 Smoke, Paint Pigments
.04-.05 Bacteria
.05-.07 Lung Damaging Paint
0.7-1.0 Atmospheric Dust
1.0-1.3 Molds
1.6-2.2 Flour Mill Dust
3 - 4 Cement Dust
4 - 5.5 Pulverized Coal
7 - 10 Pollen

Coronavirus is about 0.12 - 0.06 microns
Gosh those, (99.98%), of ‘masks’,
sure doing a lot of good aren’t they.

OH Wait, they ARE,
They ARE showing how many people,
the UL, DFI, FDS, Socialistic Governors,
can CONTROL !!!!!

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Eegore on 09/18/20 at 06:12:55

"Mehhh,, last I saw someone said CDC had decided the masks arent sufficient to stop the smoke and ash,,
But a Virus,, well,, thats all different.."

As long as you keep pretending airborne pathogens and droplet pathogens are the same thing then you can keep making this argument.

Again: SARS-COV-2 is droplet contagion protocol. Masks are to reduce your spit from going out onto surfaces around you, not to stop airborne pathogens from entering your nose. It's about your spit going out, not my breath going in.

Of course being the only known human exempt from the asymptomatic stage of the virus none of this applies to you.

"Coronavirus is about 0.12 - 0.06 microns
Gosh those, (99.98%), of ‘masks’,
sure doing a lot of good aren’t they."

They are to reduce, only reduce and only the word reduce with the exemption of all other words. Reduce the amount of spit that you expel into the atmosphere around you. Less spit on surface areas, that's it.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Serowbot on 09/18/20 at 09:51:39

To ignore the contribution of global warming, is to ignore a weak winter snowfall, record dry summer heat wave with strong winds and thousands of dry lightening strikes.

Chino, Woodland Hills and Sacramento hit 121 degrees?...

You might still argue whether human behavior contributes to the intensity, but you can't deny the facts.
This weather is extraordinarily unusual and makes for extreme fire danger.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by WebsterMark on 09/18/20 at 14:41:33

I don’t believe Sacramento hit 121°. And a quick check that it took me about five seconds showed that it was 114° in 1925. Years of those SUVs driving around in the late 1800s hundreds early 1900s sure kicked out those green house gases back then didn’t it?

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/18/20 at 15:57:52

his weather is extraordinarily unusual and makes for extreme fire danger.
Back to top

And setting policy that makes it illegal to do reasonable things to mitigate it is LEFTY thinking..

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by MnSpring on 09/18/20 at 18:43:19

426260687562070 wrote:

... They are to reduce, only reduce and only the word reduce with the exemption of all other words. Reduce the amount of spit that you expel into the atmosphere around you. Less spit on surface areas, that's it.

So you say, it is the person who is coughing/sneezing/SPITING/etc.,
that is the person who needs to wear a mask.

Then WHY is it that the Draconian/Socialist Governors,
(like MN)
say, EVERYBODY, MUST Mask up ?

Rather normal, if a person is, 'sick' and is, coughing/sneezing/SPITING/etc.,
they STAY HOME.
They do NOT need a Socialistic/Draconian GOVERNOR,
Sending out Police Squads to Arrest them !!!!!
And Fine them,
for not wearing a 'mask'.

My 'Opinion',
Biased on the LIES of the CDC, WHO, and State's H.O.
Which are so apparent,
(so apparent that Ray Charlies could see)
A political diversion so that the party of,
ILLEGAL Votes,
get's a head start !!!!!

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Eegore on 09/18/20 at 20:33:58

"So you say, it is the person who is coughing/sneezing/SPITING/etc.,
that is the person who needs to wear a mask."

No.

Any human capable of expelling fluid from their nose or mouth. So every human that is breathing. The mask is to reduce, and only reduce with the exemption of all other words, just reduce, the amount of fluid any breathing human expels into the atmosphere around them.

"Then WHY is it that the Draconian/Socialist Governors,
(like MN)
say, EVERYBODY, MUST Mask up ?"

Breathing humans expel fluid from their mouth and nose. I would agree that if one is not breathing they should not have to cover their mouth to reduce and only reduce, fluid being expelled.

"Rather normal, if a person is, 'sick' and is, coughing/sneezing/SPITING/etc.,
they STAY HOME."

This assumes asymptomatic humans do not exist. I do not think any human is exempt from the asymptomatic stages of viral infection, specific to SARS-COV-2. People that breathe can spread the virus and not show symptoms.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by WebsterMark on 09/19/20 at 06:33:01

My work takes me into this field. A mask is a filter, albeit, a two way filter. It allows air to flow in while capturing particles it’s designed for.

I’m sure you’ve heard of the N95 mask. The N stands for “not for oil aerosols” meaning it’s intended for dry flows. Other masks are designed for higher moisture flows. The 95 stands for 95% particle capture efficiency on submicron particles.

The tee-shirt masks many of us wear vary in efficiency but unlikely to be greater than 25%.

When we exhale, we exhaust respiratory droplets and aerosols which are primarily moisture from our respiratory system. Contained within the droplets, are all manners of particles the force of the exiting air dragged along with it. If we have a respiratory illness, we spread these, that’s how we pass the flu, colds etc..

A mask reduces, not eliminates, the larger respiratory droplets, that’s why your mask gets damp. The larger droplets that escape your masks behave ballisticaly, which is to say they fall to nearby surfaces based on their initial velocity, size, humidity, other air conditions etc..

A high percentage of the smaller aerosols pass through the masks and are buoyant enough to remain suspended where they can drift on air currents.
The same efficiency of a mask in stopping exhaling aerosols exist when inhaling.

So, all this means yes, wearing a masks reduces, doesn’t eliminate, the amount of droplets and aerosols an infected person expels. If you are outside the social distance zone, you are unlikely to inhale large droplets from that person. Aerosols however will pass through your masks. Again depends on your masks but assume 50%, could be more, could be less.

The $64000 question revolves around the infectious dose require to pass the infection. Diseases labeled as airborne require very few. Others require a high dose. This isn’t known yet and various tremendously based upon that person’s health anyway.

It’s interesting to note on a call this week with top medical providers, they reported they do extensive contact tracing for doctors and staff who test positive and the vast majority, report almost all positive cases were contracted outside the facility. The obvious reason is because inside, they wear N95 masks, have been trained how to ensure they fit properly, and they follow other guidelines such as regular washing etc..

There are not enough N95 masks to go around. If there were, infection rates in all areas would be closer to healthcare infection rates.

Bottom line is this. Think about droplets and aerosols like cigarette smoke. If you don’t like smoke, you move away until the smell is tolerable. If you’re in an enclosed space without a mask, imagine someone is smoking. If you’re close enough that the smoke would dominate the air you breathe, you’re probably close enough to inhale enough aerosols to risk an infection. If you’re outside and normal distance away from people, it’s probably a safe risk.

Inside in poorly ventilated areas is the highest risk. Your little tee shirt mask would do very little to protect you.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by MnSpring on 09/19/20 at 12:46:32

Written 7/19/20

"... Even the CDC only goes as far as "may" help. ... look at their sources and see that one says you need at least two layers, another says you don't, yet another is not peer reviewed and only mentions "droplets," but not PARTICLES. Yet another "simulated" infected people (couldn't they find enough actual COVID patients?). Just like every other pro-mask statement, they all admit, "Well, it couldn't hurt." But no one has ANY evidence that it actually does anything, and again, the complete lack of any standards whatsoever means it's cosplay. ..."
The Sacred Cow Slaughterhouse.

"... governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lock-down of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history. ..."

These are also really good. !!!

" ...recommend people wear 28dB or better reduction earmuffs. I don't say, "Oh, a scarf is fine. It all helps, because science." Because a scarf over the ears won't do anything. Nor does cotton stuffed in the ears, or any other improvisation. Around jet aircraft, there's a specified combination of plugs and muffs. No airline or military says, "Just fold your hat flap down. It will offer some protection against 170dB noise."
Military commanders don't say, "If you don't have body armor, just wear your poncho. It'll help a little against bullets." ..."

"...Followed by stuffing sick people into nursing homes, destroying entire industries by being "All in this together, as long as some small business gets screwed, not the corporate donors," and now, "Wear a mask and stand behind plastic. There's literally zero evidence that it works, but we need Karen to vote for us, and we have to Do Something." ..."

" ...Coronavirii were first identified in the early 1960s. In 60 years, we've not developed a vaccine. There's no reason to expect one in the next few months. And of course, Fauci was predicting an AIDS vaccine in a "few months" in 1984. How's that working out? He also claimed it was spread via casual contact, and 10% of heterosexuals would get it, ..."

https://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/cms/
A TON of links, very worthwhile read.

Just read it, it is well worthwhile,
Unless,
your income/political view,
depends on fear.
Then just,
Don't Bother.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Eegore on 09/19/20 at 16:11:27

Bottom line is this. Think about droplets and aerosols like cigarette smoke. If you don’t like smoke, you move away until the smell is tolerable. If you’re in an enclosed space without a mask, imagine someone is smoking. If you’re close enough that the smoke would dominate the air you breathe, you’re probably close enough to inhale enough aerosols to risk an infection. If you’re outside and normal distance away from people, it’s probably a safe risk.

This is a good way to look at it, except for things like the military doesn't tell soldiers to wear ponchos to stop bullets so staying away from people won't reduce my chances for infection. That's the logic I get in response to your post.

Overall though I think we are seeing the same things. Masks aren't a solution, they are part of overall mitigation effort.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by WebsterMark on 09/20/20 at 07:28:05

The biggest problem with masks is the false sense of security. The idea a national masks mandate issued early on would have made all the difference is ridiculous. The difference in mask performance is like saying all motorcycles are the same.

The smoke analogy is a great way to protect yourself. Open windows, stay outside, avoid crowded poorly ventilated areas with public walking in and staying for more than 15 minutes. I love hockey but I would not go to an NHL Stanley Cup playoff game right now if they had crowds allowed. I did go to the outdoor motocross race in Indiana, and I think that’s perfectly fine. 8000 people spread across 2 1/2 miles of track.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/20/20 at 07:49:06

Chemist46
I was trained as a chemist. A large part of my professional career was working in various parts of the filtration industry. I developed a line of mixed esters of cellulose membrane filters. Millipore type filters, that were used to sterilize flu vaccines for Merck Sharp and Dohme as well as other medical products companies. I developed respiratory protection products for Wilson Safety Products used in the mining industry. I worked for Baxter developing medical / IV filters. I have patents on three IV filters I invented. Baxter sold more than 5 million of one of those every year for most of a decade. I know a little bit about filters.
Surgical masks were not designed as filters and were not intended to be used as filters. Surgical masks were designed to be used by surgeons standing face down over an operating table holding a patient with an open wound. The surgeon wearing the mask would be able to talk to others in the room without discharging spittle droplets into the patient’s wound. Spittle droplets are large and can cause infection.
I witnessed a test of surgical masks. Small plaster particles were generated in a room. They were visible as a white dust in the air. A man was properly fitted with a surgical mask and spent a short time in the room. When he came out the mask was removed. A camera was focused on the man’s face. The entire area that had been covered by the mask was coated by the white dust. The camera showed that his nostrils and his mouth had been penetrated by the white dust. The dust particles were measured and found to be around 40 micrometers in diameter. The particles that penetrated the mask were the same diameter.
Covid-19 virus molecules are about 0.1 micrometers in diameter. That is 400 times smaller than the plaster particles that penetrated the mask.
Surgical masks will not prevent the wearer from inhaling or exhaling viruses or bacteria. They provide absolutely no protection for either the wearer or anyone nearby. They create a very dangerous false sense of security for everyone. They also force the wearer to rebreath carbon dioxide. Which will over time reduce the wearers blood oxygen level. That can become very dangerous especially for older people.
This farce is being promoted by sleazy politicians who believe that if they can convince people that they are protecting them or creating a safe environment for them by pushing this mask farce those people will re-elect them.
All politicians pushing this dangerous mask farce should be voted out of office as soon as possible.

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/09/20/belgian-medical-profession-demands-a-halt-to-covid-pandemic-propaganda/

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Eegore on 09/20/20 at 10:48:22

"I witnessed a test of surgical masks. Small plaster particles were generated in a room. They were visible as a white dust in the air. "

Seriously, how many times?

Masks are no to stop airborne particles from coming in. It's not about my breath going into your mouth.

Masks are not, as in NOT, to stop airborne particles.

They are to reduce and only the word "REDUCE" the amount of "FLUIDS" you expel from your, yours, you. You. Your mouth and nose into the atmosphere around you, like that countertop at the hardware store. It's to reduce the amount of spit coming from your mouth onto stuff at the store.

Stop pretending masks are to stop airborne particulates. They aren't.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Serowbot on 09/20/20 at 11:00:16

Countries and states see increases in transmission... they enact mask and distancing rules, and transmission goes down.
Period...
It works... it works over and ever again.
There are no instances where masks and distancing have made transmission go up.

How do we possibly have disagreement here?...
It is asinine... It is Trumpist...

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Eegore on 09/20/20 at 11:02:43

"The biggest problem with masks is the false sense of security. The idea a national masks mandate issued early on would have made all the difference is ridiculous."

I agree. This is part of the political aspect, saying earlier mask orders etc. would have made a huge impact.

Like everything in life, solutions are a combined measure of various changes. Combining increased sanitation, distance and reduced and only the word reduced unintentional fluid spread will reduce and only the word reduce various forms of illness.

Except for SARS-COV-2, this one virus is different due to political issues, not the actual methods of virologic transfer.

When I was at the CO ICC looking over SARS-COV-2 lab positive cases from a single building we noticed that the business that required masks had fewer cases.

This building was basically a cubicle office space for different businesses, like a call center. One janitorial service using the same cleaner for all areas cleaning it at the same intervals, shared ventilation. Masks on one floor, no masks on another.

So what is the State expected to do with this information? Search for ways to debunk the lower infection rates at the mask-required areas, or accept the fact that masked-required areas had only one case, while everywhere else had multiple?

Should the state compare ponchos to bullet-proof vests and airborne particle penetration, or accept the fact that mask-required areas have fewer cases?

When the whole building went mask-required, the infection rate slowed to almost a stop. Ignore that though because Trump isn't pro-mask, that is essentially what I hear.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by MnSpring on 09/20/20 at 12:10:36

1E3E3C34293E5B0 wrote:

... The mask is to reduce, and only reduce with the exemption of all other words, just reduce, the amount of fluid any breathing human expels into the atmosphere around them. ...

And a Poncho, absolutely Reduces, the velocity of a bullet.

OH and,

7F5F5D55485F3A0 wrote:

Masks are no to stop airborne particles from coming in.
It's not about my breath going into your mouth.
Masks are not, as in NOT, to stop airborne particles.
... Stop pretending masks are to stop airborne particulates.
They aren't.

Just checking,
A Mask is to slow down the amount of great big 'things'.
(Which may or, may not, contain c-19)
Also a Mask, (98.97%) does not stop little things.
(Which may or may not contain c-19)
Then if a mask does not prevent little things from coming in,
it will not stop little things from going out ?

So then if someone is coughing, sneezing, runny nose,
and they wear a 'mask',
it is perfectly OK for them to go to the store ?
Perfectly OK to be around them,
(as long as they are wearing a mask)?

Or should they, STAY HOME ?
and 99.954% of the REST of the people,
go about their normal lives ?

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/20/20 at 12:46:59

sweden coronavirus cases

Heres the deal..
STOP pretending its the GadDammmed second coming of the black plague.
Its NOT..
The FLU is transmissible.. And NOBODY has STOPPED it.

Fauchi declared a vaccine for frikken aids was imminent,, years ago,,
NOPERS,,
Open your own eyes and stop getting told how scary it is..
Why ia that clown in New York, who Literally SENT old people to their death by forcing them into homes populated with
Get this
THE MOST vulnerable people?
So many DIED,, ANd
What did THOSE deaths oh so conveniently do?
Increased the statistical "Be Afraid" for everyone..
Naaah,, Not sayin its not serious, but the REsponse has been hysterical and stupid. People died because services werent available,, because of fear..
Im so over this nuts,, Ive been forced to leave ONE restaurant,, because I wont wear the fukkin mask,, otherwise,, Ive suffered ZERO lack of services available.. Im Sick of seein people drive around, windows up, ALONE,, Brainwashed gutless sheeple,, wearin a frikken MASK!
I saw a dude, in his BOAT, on the lake,, Wearin one,, Geeze Louise,, such Pusseeze..

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by MnSpring on 09/20/20 at 14:15:05

524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote:
... Brainwashed gutless sheeple, ...

That one thing is the entire reason !

Now, (most people were not to sure in Jan/Feb)
But NOW, that the MAJORITY of people have learned the TRUTH.

From the land of, 'Rocks and Cows',
the vast, VAST majority of the MN,
" ...Brainwashed gutless sheeple..."
live in Mpls, and elected, Gov. Walz, AG Ellison, and lhan Abdullahi Omar.

The Anti American, AG Ellison is doing everything he can do to protect Walz. He had Blocked 2, well written, articles for recall of Walz.

Mpls & Dist 5 is going to do everything it can to rig, cheat, falsify, and ALLOW non Citizens to vote.
AND, vote multiple times !

"...Walz can be heard describing an election map of Minnesota. Walz references “all that red across there,” presumably referring to outstate Minnesota, calling the Republican-leaning area “mostly rocks and cows....”

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Eegore on 09/20/20 at 15:10:20

"Just checking,
A Mask is to slow down the amount of great big 'things'.
(Which may or, may not, contain c-19)
Also a Mask, (98.97%) does not stop little things.
(Which may or may not contain c-19)
Then if a mask does not prevent little things from coming in,
it will not stop little things from going out ?"

Yes. With exception to those little things adhered or contained within fluid, like mucus.

"So then if someone is coughing, sneezing, runny nose,
and they wear a 'mask',
it is perfectly OK for them to go to the store ?
Perfectly OK to be around them,
(as long as they are wearing a mask)?"

Any breathing human. Not just the one's you want to list. All humans that expel breath. All of them.

You decide if its ok. A mask is to reduce and only the word reduce with all other words exempted, only reduce, the amount of fluid expelled from any breathing human, as in every human that can breathe, into the atmosphere around them.

"Or should they, STAY HOME ?
and 99.954% of the REST of the people,
go about their normal lives ?"

Only if you continue to say, inaccurately, that only certain humans, not all humans can expel fluids from their nose and mouth. All breathing humans expel fluids from their nose and mouth. All of them.

With the exception of JoG who claims he can tell if he is "actually sick", all other known humans are asymptomatic at the beginning of viral infection, specific to SARS-COV-2, and as such will spread viral infection to others before they show symptoms. Before, not after.

You guys continue to ignore this and say people who are sick should stay home. It doesn't work that way because they were sick when they felt healthy.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by MnSpring on 09/20/20 at 15:23:29

7656545C4156330 wrote:

... When I was at the CO ICC looking over SARS-COV-2 lab positive cases from a single building we noticed that the business that required masks had fewer cases. ...

Do you know, or did anybody research,
'the rest of the story, ?

Early on, everybody in MN was talking about a huge outbreak in 2 meat packing plants. And how they had to shut down.
Just Horrible, see the news at 5-6 & 10 for two weeks.

Someone did a little digging.
Discovered, cars going to and from work were Packed with workers.
The workers were Packed in multi generation houses.
The houses had less than stellar satiation conditions.
The workers also discovered if they stayed home,
(being 'sick' from c-19),
they received UN-employment, and a stipend from Stat/Fed.
Making more money sitting on the porch drinking Mint Julips,
than working.

Golly Gee Wally,
the, 'news' suddenly stopped 'reporting' on it !

So, being the analytical person you represent yourself to be.
Did you, or anyone else look at any other factors in the 'unknown' case you talk about ?

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Eegore on 09/20/20 at 15:25:00

"Its NOT..
The FLU is transmissible.. And NOBODY has STOPPED it."

This assumes all strains of influenza are exactly equal in contagion levels, impact to humans and lethality. This is inaccurate, different virus have different levels of impact.

"Open your own eyes and stop getting told how scary it is.."

I agree.

Again because you usually won't acknowledge when I agree with you the first 5 or so times: I agree with you.

However it is equal in my eyes to say you could open your eyes and realize you are not exempt from viral asymptomatic stages and can not tell if you are "actually sick" until days after you became contagious.

So no it's not the end of the world, but denying every known thing about SARS-COV-2 applies to you is just as ridiculous.

"I saw a dude, in his BOAT, on the lake,, Wearin one,, Geeze Louise,, such Pusseeze.."

I agree. I agree on this. Once more, I agree.

I don't know about TX but in CO the mask mandate is for indoors, enclosures, inside areas, recommended when within 6 feet otherwise. People wearing masks in cars alone, boats alone, in the park alone, not needed.

However I blame that person, because they won't read, or listen. Not one official source in CO has recommended masks when alone, outside etc. So I won't blame "the government" because they are scared, I blame the idiot for being an idiot.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Eegore on 09/20/20 at 15:34:03

"So, being the analytical person you represent yourself to be.
Did you, or anyone else look at any other factors in the 'unknown' case you talk about ?"

Yes.

As with all cases there are a multitude of contributing factors. That is why all this focus on mask is this and mask is that is only part of the problem.

There was no large demographic change between one floor of the building and another, there were no known carpooling infections. The people who were infected were all within the same cubicle proximity and had symptoms averaging 9 days apart. These people did not carpool, or all live in close domestic enclosures.

This does not mean that they did not get SARS-COV-2 from a location other than work. It just means that if they worked together in close proximity they happened to become infected about 9 days apart from one another.

So does the State look for ways to disprove that information by saying ponchos don't stop bullets, or pretend some humans don't expel fluids from their mouth, or pretend asymptomatic stages don't exist, or do they just accept the information available?

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by WebsterMark on 09/21/20 at 05:15:05

Stating as a fact “masks don’t work” is as ridiculous as TDS infected Biden that if Trump weren’t President, no one would have died. None, zero, zilch, instead of the 200 million who died..... what a f*ckstick.

CDC just added to their website this weekend that Covid infections can occur beyond the 6’ zone. Wear a mask if you’re inside a small area. Again, imagine someone is smoking. Wearing a masks when Running inside to pay for Gas is silly. Riding up a crowded elevator for 25 floors? Yea, wear a mask.

It is possible that COVID-19 may spread through the droplets and airborne particles that are formed when a person who has COVID-19 coughs, sneezes, sings, talks, or breathes. There is growing evidence that droplets and airborne particles can remain suspended in the air and be breathed in by others, and travel distances beyond 6 feet (for example, during choir practice, in restaurants, or in fitness classes). In general, indoor environments without good ventilation increase this risk.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Eegore on 09/23/20 at 06:49:00

"Wearing a masks when Running inside to pay for Gas is silly."

As long as you can make sure you don't speak or exhale when at the counter as that could expel droplets onto the counter, the card-reader etc. Or as long as that counter is sanitized after each person uses it.

I agree for the most part that mask wearing can be overdone, like wearing them in cars alone, but I say anytime I can be expelling my fluids onto something that someone else will touch I wear a mask. Not because government says to, just because of my familiarity with droplet contagion leads me to believe that droplets on surfaces spread disease and I have no reason to believe I am exempt from asymptomatic stages of disease.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by WebsterMark on 09/23/20 at 08:56:09

4A6A68607D6A0F0 wrote:

If infections spread that easily with that small of an infectious dose, we all would have died a long, long time ago. A healthy immune system in a relatively healthy human being does a phenomenal job. I read a long article (maybe I can find it) that went into detail how the poor immune health of the average American is directly related to the higher death count. If you just walk around the average city and look at the gigantic people and the poor health it’s not surprising. I had heard at one point, a local hospital reported 9 out of 10 patients in their intensive care unit were classified as obese. I remember traveling through some European countries and our joke was if you didn’t rate at least a 7 out of 10, they made you leave the country because everybody seem to be fabulous looking.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by philthymike on 09/23/20 at 09:14:29

I find it contradictory how the left wants to triple the US population with 3rd world immigrants when the average American lifestyle has a carbon footprint 10 times that of the average 3rd worlder lifestyle.

But the environment is nowhere near as important as the guaranteed single party future those democrud voting immigrants will enable. Triple the pollution VS lefty authoritarian dictatorship?

It's all about the power. You know the answer....

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Eegore on 09/23/20 at 15:52:31

"A healthy immune system in a relatively healthy human being does a phenomenal job. I read a long article (maybe I can find it) that went into detail how the poor immune health of the average American is directly related to the higher death count."

I agree. If I am around a bunch of healthy soldiers I don't even bother to wear a mask at all unless I am right up in their faces. Gas-stations, I do. I see really old people going into convenience stores, grocery stores etc. It takes me about 2 seconds to pull it on, 2 to take it off. If that 4 seconds of my life keeps my spit off a counter-top I will do it.

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by MnSpring on 09/23/20 at 19:47:23

2404060E1304610 wrote:
... Gas-stations, I do.

OH, so when I pull into a Gas station, Put my card into the pump,
pump gas, Complete the purchase,
then go into the structure, after Seeing, NO ONE IS INSIDE,
to get a bottle of water,
I NEED A MASK, BECAUSE I AM IN N.M. ??????

Title: Re: Party of Science
Post by Eegore on 09/23/20 at 21:19:03

"OH, so when I pull into a Gas station, Put my card into the pump,
pump gas, Complete the purchase,
then go into the structure, after Seeing, NO ONE IS INSIDE,
to get a bottle of water,
I NEED A MASK, BECAUSE I AM IN N.M. ??????"

I don't know, what does the law there say?

Why would someone need to be inside for your fluids to be expelled onto surfaces? The only requirement for that is you being inside.

I for one sanitize the pump handles when I use them, for the reasons I stated before. 30 seconds of my life, maybe Grandma won't be in contact with my fluids. Maybe and only the word maybe with the exclusion of all other words. Maybe.