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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Ready for the Sidecar /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1599604096 Message started by Dennisgb on 09/08/20 at 15:28:13 |
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Title: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/08/20 at 15:28:13 I pulled the sidecar out of mothballs and started figuring out the mounting. The main frame mount looks like it will work. A little concerned about how far back the hack wheel is tho. I think I can adjust it forward once I get everything tied together. Plan is to remove the body and paint it after I get it mounted. Should be fun. ;D |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Ruttly on 09/08/20 at 22:19:55 What are you waiting for ! I know I’m ill but this is gonna be a cool build. I’m so curious , please post lots of pics of the build , like connection points. I’m a fan of that color combo with that antique Pelham blue color n cream. Makes it look like a old Gibson guitar , I can tell by the way you put the bike together that you will do a killer job on the rest of the build. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/09/20 at 03:42:53 Thank you. I will plan to post pictures as I go. I’m waiting for some hardware so will be a bit before I get it hooked together. A little background. The bike that was on the sidecar (Royal Enfield) was in my shop for an engine rebuild. I had just finished it and was adjusting timing when the engine backfired and sprayed flaming gas and started on fire. There is quite a bit more to the story but I lost my shop and 7 motorcycles [ch128546] It’s what brought me to the Savage/S40. I needed a thumper to put the sidecar on. I think the Suzuki is a better choice that the Royal Enfield for a lot of reasons. ;D |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by ohiomoto on 09/09/20 at 04:47:34 4E4F444443594D482A0 wrote:
I get feeling you don't care much for Royal Enfield anymore??? ;D ;D It's really sad that you lost those bikes in the fire. I remember the pictures you posted. You had some really cool bikes and a really cool shop. Can't wait to see your finished sidecar project and I agree with Ruttly, the color combo on you bike is one of the nicest that Suzuki ever put out. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/09/20 at 05:34:56 6166676163617A610E0 wrote:
I get feeling you don't care much for Royal Enfield anymore??? ;D ;D It's really sad that you lost those bikes in the fire. I remember the pictures you posted. You had some really cool bikes and a really cool shop. Can't wait to see your finished sidecar project and I agree with Ruttly, the color combo on you bike is one of the nicest that Suzuki ever put out. [/quote] Appreciate the words. I actually liked the Royal Enfield. I had taken a lot of time to do the engine right, using British parts and building fixturing to balance the crank, etc. Many look at the Savage/S40 as a bit crude, but in comparison to the Royal Enfield it’s light years ahead. Overhead cam, 4 valve head, electronic ignition. While the braking could be better, it’s still better than the drum brakes on the RE. There is also room for improvement which was very limited with the RE. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/10/20 at 10:48:18 Some sidecar porn. I think I’m figuring the puzzle out. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/10/20 at 10:49:10 More |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/12/20 at 14:19:13 More |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Ruttly on 09/12/20 at 14:35:26 So that shock act as a steering dampener ? |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/12/20 at 14:53:35 It’s a steering damper that looks like a shock. It moves in and out very quickly. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/12/20 at 14:57:13 https://www.cyclesidecar.com/store/sidecar-steering-damper-2-year-warranty |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Ruttly on 09/12/20 at 15:18:10 Is the rear one a dampener too or just a strut ? Looks pretty basic to bolt up , any wiring would be simple. Ball park , how much does it weigh ? |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/12/20 at 15:51:36 Rear is just a strut. The car itself has suspension. Wiring is already done on the car just need to connect to the bike. It weighs 200 lbs. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Edub on 09/15/20 at 00:25:08 I just saw your thread, and made it a favorite! I love seeing sidecar rigs of all sizes, so I'll be really interested to hear how your setup works once it's operational. I've wondered how a Savage would work with one of those RE sidecars, since they're relatively light. Enjoyed your first few posts, and I look forward to seeing how this develops. Sorry to hear about your shop, that's really unfortunate. I hope this rig brings you enough joy to help offset some of the pain. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/15/20 at 11:14:56 Thanks for the positive comments, it’s what keep us going on these projects. When I lost the RE in the fire I still had the hack because it was stored in my barn while I rebuilt the motorcycle. So then I found myself with a sidecar and no bike. I looked around for something suitable other than another RE. It needed to have a single down tube frame in order to use the RE mounting hardware. It also would be nice if it were a thumper, because the low end torque is important in getting a rig moving. So far it all seems to be working out. I’m doing some minor changes to the mounting and waiting for some hardware to show up and I should be able to finish the mounting and test it out. Here’s a picture of the original rig when I bought it with the RE having a blown engine. I paid $2K and had about $500 in the engine when it started on fire. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/15/20 at 11:26:12 Here’s the RE after the fire. :'( |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Edub on 09/15/20 at 11:35:31 That was a cool setup, and the price was certainly right. Sorry the fire caused it to be much more expensive! I hope the Savage turns out to be a good tug for your sidecar. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Edub on 09/15/20 at 11:36:21 58595252554F5B5E3C0 wrote:
WOW. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/15/20 at 11:51:00 The sad part is that I had done a really good job on the RE engine and used only British made parts. It would have been a nice rig and a good turn after I had some fun with it. Since I retired the shop was my hobby and I would put together bikes for myself and some to sell to generate money for the next project. I’ve had to scale things way back now, but hope to rebuild the shop next spring. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by ohiomoto on 09/15/20 at 12:17:14 Can you post a link to the thread where you posted the pictures of your shop and the bikes you had? You had a nice looking shop and some awesome bikes if I remember. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/15/20 at 13:25:18 I tried to search but can’t find the thread. Here’s a couple pictures |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/15/20 at 13:26:26 More |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/15/20 at 13:34:01 More |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Edub on 09/15/20 at 23:24:11 Wow, nice place! Cool bikes! I remember those first generation CBR600's, I looked at those, but got a Yamaha FZR instead. Good times! |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/16/20 at 06:24:30 I got into the CBR’s totally by accident and actually got back into motorcycles because of them. I was looking for an engine to put into an ATV. I kept seeing CBRs cheap because most were abused and missing all the plastics. I bought a 1987 Hurricane non-running for $300. I got it running and decided the high reving low torque engine wasn’t suitable for an ATV. I decided to bring it back to life but fairings were hard to find so I modified it to accept newer style fairings. I made all the decals and did the custom paint. Here’s a picture of the finished bike. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/16/20 at 06:30:45 When I first got the bike |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by ohiomoto on 09/17/20 at 05:37:07 Nice. What was the story on the Commando? |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by ohiomoto on 09/17/20 at 05:39:05 06070C0C0B110500620 wrote:
Bad RE, bad, bad.... >:( |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Edub on 09/17/20 at 10:19:49 Wow, nice work on that CBR! |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/17/20 at 10:28:14 282F2E282A283328470 wrote:
The Commando is my dream bike as I owned one new in 75. It was in process of restoration when the fire occurred. It was the farthest away from the main fire as the flames followed the oxygen and most of the windows had plywood over them. It has smoke and water damage. Engine is still free and I fogged it right after the fire. Being built out of real metal helped it to survive. I should be able to bring it back with a lot of extra work from where it was before the fire. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Edub on 09/17/20 at 12:03:12 Happy to hear you’re going to be able to save that Norton! |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/17/20 at 13:12:03 A picture of the Norton from a few years ago. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Edub on 09/17/20 at 20:22:45 44454E4E49534742200 wrote:
Man, that's BEAUTIFUL! Is that a Corbin seat? I had one of those on my FZR. Believe it or not, I was able to ride that sportbike 325 miles each way to Vegas from PHX without any discomfort back then, versus the stock seat, which was only good for about 30-45 minutes. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/18/20 at 08:15:40 Yes Corbin. I had a brand new one that burned up in the fire [ch128546] I like them also. My Honda 919 had one. Very comfortable. That was one of my favorite bikes. Super easy to ride. Almost to easy. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/18/20 at 08:16:51 The 919. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/28/20 at 16:34:42 Working thru lower mounts. They need to be spread out and tied to frame. So far I’ve got three engine bolts and control bracket connected. This is a prototype will fab and weld a finished mount once I prove this out. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/28/20 at 16:36:12 More |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Edub on 09/28/20 at 21:50:20 60616A6A6D776366040 wrote:
Looking good! |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by ohiomoto on 09/29/20 at 04:50:30 6B6A6161667C686D0F0 wrote:
Really cool. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by zevenenergie on 09/29/20 at 06:29:35 Love the old Norton [smiley=thumbsup.gif] http://https://i.imgur.com/beKSpwhl.png With all respect, but that bend doesn't support much. It would be better to use a more diagonal line. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by ohiomoto on 09/29/20 at 07:03:28 2B2A2121263C282D4F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/29/20 at 07:38:33 3F2033202B202B2037222C20450 wrote:
Yeah trying to do this with what I have on hand. It will be welded square tubing with tabs on ends in final design. The whole thing is not strong enough at this point. This will allow me to prove out mounting points. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by verslagen1 on 09/29/20 at 07:42:04 I would probably do the front bracket like the rear, angled towards the front connector. That tab to the footpeg will carry most of the vertical load because it's the stiffest, so you may need thicker material. You may need an additional strap to carry vertical load at the rear, so I'd think about it and test for deflection when you have it together. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/29/20 at 07:50:07 32213637282523212A75440 wrote:
Yes was thinking about a strap to the rear upper motor mount. It’s tough to angle the front much because it moves too far forward. The one thing that’s messing things up is I slid the pipe extension and muffler on as I was working to make sure it fit but didn’t have the front clamp on and now there isn’t enough room for it. The whole thing needs to drop down a little. Lots of stuff interacting. That’s why I’m playing with stuff that can be moved around. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by zevenenergie on 09/29/20 at 07:58:22 I have to read the whole topic first before i give a comment. :-[ It is quite a project that you are working on. :) It makes my hands itchy. It is a good thing that I am not your neighbor. I always want to help when I see someone working on metal. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/29/20 at 08:52:00 4C5340535853585344515F53360 wrote:
I appreciate the comments as nothing is really cast in stone. I wish you did live next door I could use the help :) It’s been difficult for me to do things the way I want since I lost the shop to fire. My welder survived but I don’t have the electrical service in my barn so once I figure this out will hire welding out. I also lost my drill press and metal saw. Working with hand tools is really difficult especially with the arthritis in my hands. Not looking for sympathy. I still enjoy doing this stuff, it’s just a little slower and not as pretty ;) |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by verslagen1 on 09/29/20 at 09:45:58 Dad used to say 'getting old sucks'. Don't give up the fight, it's a slippery slope and 1 thing leads to another. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by zevenenergie on 09/29/20 at 14:46:56 60616A6A6D776366040 wrote:
I appreciate the comments as nothing is really cast in stone. I wish you did live next door I could use the help :) It’s been difficult for me to do things the way I want since I lost the shop to fire. My welder survived but I don’t have the electrical service in my barn so once I figure this out will hire welding out. I also lost my drill press and metal saw. Working with hand tools is really difficult especially with the arthritis in my hands. Not looking for sympathy. I still enjoy doing this stuff, it’s just a little slower and not as pretty ;) [/quote] I pretty much understand how you feel. I once had a blacksmith shop, with 3 fires and all the machines and tools out there in metalworking. I could make almost literally anything. I never went to work. I went to the blacksmith shop. A pleasure every day for 27 years. Until the economy collapsed in 2008, after a year and 4 months I was bankrupt.I had to sell everything. Man that hurt, I couldn't make what I wanted to make anymore. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 09/30/20 at 10:13:31 We take things for granted everyday never thinking it could be gone. Sorry for your loss. I feel it too. I retired in 2015 and started putting the shop together in 2014 so I had a place to work on bikes. I had pretty much everything I needed plus a space that was air conditioned and heated. Had a professional paint booth and a small machine shop. I had some very nice bikes in there. Then it was all gone a year ago May. I was sad and depressed for almost a year. I’m coming back from it. We are planning to rebuild. The structure and the contents were not insured an interesting oversight related to two parcels of property on the same site making it out of pocket to rebuild. The new shop will be smaller as I am getting older and need to scale things back. I am thankful for the 5 years I had enjoying what I wanted to do. Hopefully many more to come. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Mavigogun on 10/02/20 at 20:58:19 Is the height of the underside rail at all representational of final intent? Not much clearance, is my concern. An alternative might be longer rear shocks, followed by a high scrambler exhaust to the left side- opening up the former exhaust path for a rail. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Dennisgb on 10/03/20 at 02:01:59 One of the problems is getting enough clearance for exhaust and still being able to connect the sidecar. It actually may need to be a little lower. I don’t like it that low either. Hadn’t thought about taller shocks and high exhaust. Another reason for prototyping. |
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Title: Re: Ready for the Sidecar Post by Mavigogun on 10/06/20 at 18:04:02 Example: |
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