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Title: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/26/20 at 04:53:04 I told Mrs. Web last night that someone would die in Kenosha that night and it happened. Not a wild, crazy prediction to begin with. I’ve been through there several times and it ain’t Portland or Seattle. People are ultimately responsible for themselves but had the mayors and governors of those northwest cities under attack responded differently, perhaps those dead in Kenosha would be alive. Hard to say. Again, not sure where this ends. Brown, Floyd, this latest guy Blake, all had the primary responsibility for their deaths yet somehow, an undefinable system is to blame and burning stores and cars is some sort of solution. There will probably be more deaths. Some of the suburban kids treating this as a hobby might stay home, but the hard core scums, the ones dumb enough to believe the leftist nonsense and who think this is some kind of revolution, will become energized. Same with the militia types. All I know is when Trump wins, it will be 10 times worse. I do not believe the Democratic Party leaders have the wherewithal to start calming things down when it becomes obvious. I doubt it. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/26/20 at 08:42:44 Saw a report, two dead, one wounded,, |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/26/20 at 10:49:34 Shot a guy looting a car lot. Shot a guy who chased him down and hit him with a skate board, blew half of some dude’s arm off who came at him with a gun. Young kid. I heard he was arrested. I don’t have any idea what Wisconsin law is but can’t believe he’d be convicted of murder. No jury with normal people would convict him of that. If he’s connected to the car lot ownership or knows them and they knew and approved of him there, he should walk free. If he’s not, I suspect he’ll get convicted of something, not sure what. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by Serowbot on 08/26/20 at 12:16:16 Nothing calms the waters like armed, racist, Trump supporters... Thanks so much, Proud Boys... |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by verslagen1 on 08/26/20 at 12:18:26 Don't poke the bear... while he's carrying a rifle. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/26/20 at 15:27:28 3E283F223A2F22394D0 wrote:
This is because your (what did you call antifa, defenders of liberty or something?) brown shirt division of The Democratic Party, have too much time on their hands and live in a prosperous nation where they can play army. The leftist indoctrinated politicians, who control too much of this country, were stupid enough to believe there’s substance behind these nonsensical protest which predictably turn into riots and let them escalate and spread like the cancer they are. Leftist scum are lucky so far they’ve not trapped dozens of families in a building they sat on fire, but if they did, unAmerica garbage like yourself would have made an excuse for their charred remains and blamed it on Trump. Yea, I’m pi$$ed and getting tired of it. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/26/20 at 19:12:09 Minneapolis again. You Dems suck. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by eau de sauvage on 08/27/20 at 02:24:22 Just like the way the GOP just keeps on saying the same lies over and over till they blur in with the truth and become indistinguishable, so the police appear to be trying the same tactics, just keep shooting unarmed black people in the back and just keep on doing it no matter what till what is and what is not just becomes a big blur. There is a report of the shooter, a self styled vigilante caught on video earlier where the police through a loudhailer on their van were thanking people like him and threw him a bottle of water. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/20 at 06:02:00 All 3 shot had long criminal records. No one deserves to be shot, but if you step on the field, you accept the consequences whether you understand that or not. Stop “protesting”. You’re accomplishing nothing. The genuinely mostly peaceful Civil Rights protests of the 60’s succeeded because there was a legitimate abuse behind them. Michael Brown was a punk. Walking down middle of the street challenging cars to drive around him after robbing a store. Floyd was stealing from a store and so high on drugs if his body had been found at home alone, his death would have been labeled an overdose. The only reason the cops confronted this latest loser Blake was because this sex offender had the cops called on him because he stole the keys from someone at a house he had a court order to stay away from. Black people, stop acting like criminal, lawless thugs and live a peaceful life. Do that and surprise, surprise your interactions with police drop off to nothing. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by Serowbot on 08/27/20 at 06:52:17 Maybe taking the law into your own hands to support the police isn't the best idea. This boys life will be forever altered. So will the lives of his victims. These Proud Boys aren't there to make protests safer, they are there to escalate violence |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/20 at 10:11:49 Antifa is there to start violence. The political leaders are to afraid to act. The consequences are predictable. Those two are dead because they took the foolish views of antifa (your foolish views) to the next level and thought they held the high moral ground. Those two dead, who terrorized others for most of their adult lives apparently, found out they don’t hold that ground. That boy who shot them was likewise foolish but far less so. I have no issues from one point of view for business and property owners to shoot these “protestors” who start fires. If someone is under attack, all’s fair. But what’s happening now is the fault of people like you. You’ve dug a chasm between people with your ridiculous talk about evil and Hitler. You contributed to those dead idiots thinking this is some kind of moral battle against evil. It’s not. It’s over for them, but we’re left with your $hit. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/20 at 10:15:55 Stops bein a Protest when businesses are being burned and looted. Then its a crime spree. If the cops wont or cant Its up to The People.. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by Serowbot on 08/27/20 at 10:21:55 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
It's not up to 17 year old boys, or anyone else, to be judge, jury, and executioner... This is America,.. we have laws... and a legal system. ..and a Constitution. Remember?... Trump is blurring the line between individual freedom and anarchy. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/20 at 10:29:25 No, Row,, Thats your guys doin that.. How many DEmocrat run cities look like war zones today? Blame TRUMP?? |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by Serowbot on 08/27/20 at 10:41:20 Not gonna' say I blame Trump,... but stirring the pot isn't helping quell the waters. I think he's using the unrest to rally his base, and any inflammation is to his benefit... PS.. PM'd you on different topic. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/20 at 11:02:47 Im not seein the governors and mayors out working to slow it all down,, Maybe I missed something,, but it sure looked like since Saint Floyd died of an overdose weve seen nothing but a wink and a nod from everyone who should be havin the fire department out knockin people down with the big hoses doin nothing,, |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by eau de sauvage on 08/27/20 at 12:20:35 "All 3 shot had long criminal records. No one deserves to be shot, BUT..." Proud to wear your racist scumbaggery on the front of your t-shirt, eh? |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/20 at 12:38:24 How is it Racist? Watchin people burn and loot, destroying the labors of business people, destroying lives,, criticizing that is RACIST>>??? WTF is your problem? |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by eau de sauvage on 08/27/20 at 12:42:05 How is it Racist? The "BUT" is a dog whistle to the white supremacists. What is the premise for this event? The protests are not only mostly peaceful but they have come about due to the police racist brutality against Blacks, a point that you fail to acknowledge. 17 years old. He can't vote. He can't buy cigarettes. He can't drink He can't serve in the military But he can wander around with an AR-15 strapped over his shoulder? Welcome to America |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by eau de sauvage on 08/27/20 at 12:49:34 He doesn’t even get stopped while walking down the street with an AR15 and people yelling that he shot someone...and Jacob Blake gets 7 in the back in front of his kids for allegedly being “near a knife.” |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/20 at 13:20:42 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
Explain where I said anything remotely racist. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by eau de sauvage on 08/27/20 at 14:46:52 @JoG, the quote I posted was not from you was it? It was from WM's post. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/20 at 15:03:54 74667271666062070 wrote:
Picture shows a knife in his left hand,, Cops confronted him. He wouldnt do as he was told He was TAZED But walked away.. Anyone who kows what that means has reason to believe he was on drugs He was going for the car Nobody knew if a gun was waiting in the car. If the stupid fukker had LISTENED and NOT resisted He would be NOT shot full of holes and paralyzed Sorry,, thats how it goes,, |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/20 at 15:44:35 46544043545250350 wrote:
Do you understand the definition of racism? |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/20 at 15:46:02 2F3D292A3D3B395C0 wrote:
Good rule of thumb, anyone using the phrase dog whistle to cover their ignorance is not quite as smart as an actual dog. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/20 at 15:47:49 75677370676163060 wrote:
Watch the video fool. He walks down street with his hands up towards the police. They pull up and surround him. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/20 at 15:51:58 322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 wrote:
Explain where I said anything remotely racist.[/quote] Neither one of us did Jog. The foolish man below is grasping at straws because what else is there for him to hang on to. And isn’t it odd that all three who were shot had fairly lengthy and violent criminal records? What are odds that only those three, out of all the rioters, had criminal records? So that kid either amazingly hit three needles in a haystack or it was a haystack full of needles out there. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by Eegore on 08/27/20 at 17:23:03 If someone comes to violent protests, and starts fires, they should have a clear understanding that they are no longer "peaceful". Now they may think nobody will do anything about it, but their ignorance is not my problem and should not result in more damage or injury to anyone else. I don't care what color their skin is, if they start burning down my neighborhood I am not running away, I am not going to run around with a bucket of water, I am going to neutralize that threat. The two old ladies down the road from me don't need to burn to death because of Floyd, or Trump or anyone else. This kid was not acting appropriately. He does need to be held accountable. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by Eegore on 08/27/20 at 17:30:04 "I don’t have any idea what Wisconsin law is but can’t believe he’d be convicted of murder. No jury with normal people would convict him of that. If he’s connected to the car lot ownership or knows them and they knew and approved of him there, he should walk free." I am not sure about Wisconsin law either, but I would be very surprised if they allowed a minor to contract or otherwise interact with a firearm on any business property. I can not permit anyone under 21 in CO, or NY - certainly not under 18, to carry a firearm on my commercial property. If the guy was imminent threat to the kid, sure, but killing a man breaking into an unoccupied car, not legal in any state I am aware of. Typically businesses can not use lethal force to protect "property" anyway. As in if someone is breaking into a building I am not in, I can not legally kill them to protect my car. I can however be in fear for my life, if I am in the building and they are breaking into and feel imminent threat. In CO there are a ton of marijuana security contracts. Not one is authorized to use lethal force to protect property, they can only defend themselves with all those AR's, night-vision, pistols, body armor etc. that they carry. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by Eegore on 08/27/20 at 17:32:04 "All 3 shot had long criminal records. No one deserves to be shot, but if you step on the field, you accept the consequences whether you understand that or not." I'd like a more thorough breakdown regarding how that is "racist". |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by oldNslow on 08/27/20 at 19:04:09 Quote:
Who is it up to when those other things you mentioned don't work any more? Quote:
Pretty soon, as long as the people who are elected, appointed, and paid to deal with this sh*t, and maintain the peace refuse to do that, then everyone is going to have to pick a side and step on the field. just for their own survival. I'd hate to see things get that far but it wouldn't be the first time such a thing has happened. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/20 at 19:11:16 556B6A66746869070 wrote:
Pretty soon, as long as the people who are elected, appointed, and paid to deal with this sh*t, and maintain the peace refuse to do that, then everyone is going to have to pick a side and step on the field. just for their own survival. I'd hate to see things get that far but it wouldn't be the first time such a thing has happened. [/quote] No, it wouldn’t and I don’t see another path out. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/20 at 19:12:08 2707050D1007620 wrote:
Save your energy, there is no explanation. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by srinath on 08/28/20 at 07:48:25 See the libtard narrative is - burn all this crap and blame it on Trump. Much like camel toe Harris blamed the economy's drop after china virus on trump. If Trump wins - he gets to rule over a burnt out country. If Biden wins, they get billions to "rebuild" This ruins the country for 100's of years - but they dont care, they've sold to china anyway. Maybe china will now make a "city rebuild kit" Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by MnSpring on 08/28/20 at 11:15:34 0C2C2E263B2C490 wrote:
Agree. Driving through a desolate area, could only get NPR stations, (was out of books on tape) Day after the Wic terrorist shootings by a civilian. (which NPR reported for 10 Min on the situation) they said the word, ‘protest/ers’, at least 50 times. Not one time did they say the word, ‘Violent’, in front of protester! NOT ONCE ! Repeat a LIE enough times, many people will believe it. Just as Sahara Brady, proved to everybody, by Lying for 34 years. And her Gun banning group continues to do. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by eau de sauvage on 08/28/20 at 14:55:52 If the stupid fukker had LISTENED and NOT resisted He would be NOT shot full of holes and paralyzed Sorry,, thats how it goes,, And that is why you're a racist piece of sh!t. The racism and vile hatred is amazing to me in that you have no shame in posting that. And please don't try and ask me 'why is that racist' like the troll idiot that you are. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/28/20 at 16:05:17 What is it that makes my statement racist? If a white idiot did the same thing, I would SAY the same thing.. He stole the keys from a woman whose house he wasnt supposed to be at Cops tried to arrest him'He wouldnt allow it\ He had a KNIFE in his left hand,, 'and was trying to get in his car,, where he May have had a gun in the floorboard,, So, YEAH,, the cops HAD to stop him,, That would have been true if he was pink with purpel polka dots or white as snow,, AND If you actually LOOK at the stats,, youll see white people get shot too,, and statistically,, there is no difference in the numbers,, AND A Study, Peer revewed, was put out that PROVED it,, BUT VBecause lefties and The NarrUtIve werent comfarted by the facts, So Truthful and scientific evidence was withdrawn,, due to Social Pressure.. When the truth hurst,, BURY it,, Im not a racist YET.. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by Eegore on 08/28/20 at 16:11:24 "If the stupid fukker had LISTENED and NOT resisted He would be NOT shot full of holes and paralyzed Sorry,, thats how it goes,," I would like further clarification on how this statement is "racist" by definition. Is it assumed that the terms "stupid" and "fukker" are specific to non-white individuals? If so, why is that? I would consider such terms to be universal. Or are there other factors besides this statement? Is it being assumed that this statement would not be said if the person shot was engaging in the exact same criminal activity, but white? If so how is this conclusion being made? |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by eau de sauvage on 08/28/20 at 18:13:20 It's all pretty simple really, he was shot in the back seven times at close range which was entirely unnecessary and the exact type of bullsh!t that happens continually to Blacks in America. This is unequivocally wrong (look up the meaning of 'unequivocal') there are no 'ifs' or 'buts' other than was might be uttered by an ugly white supremacist. End of story. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/28/20 at 18:21:40 20322625323436530 wrote:
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by eau de sauvage on 08/28/20 at 20:07:31 He was TAZED, to No effect. He didn't fall when shot, so, he got shot, more. You're sick. Not only you, but the owner of this forum who allows this sick racist white supremacist sh!t on an internationally read motorcycle forum, one that one would like to think unties all people by the love of they motorbike. Instead there's a public forum used not for political discussion but a platform for white supremacists and racists. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by overland on 08/28/20 at 20:21:28 Eegore, I was referred to you by another member, looking for engine guard for my 2011 S40, not impressed at all with the OEM offering from suzuki. Looking for something larger. Any Ideas? Thanks, Overland (NEWBIE) |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/28/20 at 21:04:23 77657172656361040 wrote:
You insist what I say is BECAUSE of his race. It is not. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by Eegore on 08/28/20 at 21:44:07 "It's all pretty simple really, he was shot in the back seven times at close range which was entirely unnecessary and the exact type of bullsh!t that happens continually to Blacks in America." So what I am seeing is that nothing about the actual words used in Webstermark's statements indicate racism. As for the statistical data I do not subscribe to the disproportionate black victim ideology based off the information I have. I use an average of the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health reporting on fatal shootings with causation of law enforcement action. (Not just shootings.) The National Violent Death Reporting System, I have full membership in the Statista Research Department, and the Journal of Urban Health. Lethal force utilized by law enforcement in the US, from my research, which has been consistent since 2006 as part of my work, does not indicate an excessive number of Black Americans die at the hands of law enforcement. This of course depends on how one wants to compare numbers, and that in itself is the issue in most cases. If I compare Black deaths to Asian deaths, that looks considerably worse than if I calculate per-capita and other averages, such as if a crime was being committed at the time. This doesn't mean racism doesn't exist, but it does mean the math is very articulate. Too articulate to just pool anyone that doesn't automatically support BLM into the "racist" bandwagon. I don't date or other wise interact intimately with people, but if I did I wouldn't be concerning myself with their race. I will employ any race to my company. I offer this as evidence that I do not consider myself "racist", but I also do not support BLM as I do not agree with their math, or proposed public policy from the groups that have it posted. I believe in oppression, but not in the statistical data being presented on Twitter etc. Does that make me racist? https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/ |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by srinath on 08/29/20 at 08:23:40 The moral of the story is - Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The baby mama called cops on him, the girl friend wanted him arrested and out of her life cos she had a restraining order after alleged rape. Sorry they can spin it all they want ... The media can cover for loser leftie democrat mayors all they want ... The crowd sees through it - Portland burned for what is 75 or is that 85 days at this point - and the mob wants Ted Wheeler - AKA the local enabler in chief out. Protests at his condo lobby asking him to do exactly that - is leftie media covering that ? no, they're covering it up. Look for video clips from bystanders. You'd see without spin what is going on. All the rest is just bs words anyone can say. The chicago mob held up banners saying our futures have been looted, loot back. And the woman firing up the crowd says so herself. And - the media calls it "peaceful protest". Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by MnSpring on 08/29/20 at 11:26:45 485A4E4D5A5C5E3B0 wrote:
OK. Next time you stop a person, who does NOT stop, is a known offender, a known thief, a known not subject to Taser current, and has a knife. Just let them go to a car, and possibly get a gun, While you have no bullet proof vest, no bullet proof head gear, no bullet proof nut protector, (Oh forget the last one, you wouldn't need one) Then you can say: "...please sir, please stop, please stop trash talking, please drop the knife, please stop moving to a car where you may have a gun, please do what your are told, ..." |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/30/20 at 04:28:36 5A485C5F484E4C290 wrote:
This is the lie, easily refuted and proven unequivocally false, yet repeated by fools and media to the point 20 something suburban white kids line up to launch a pretend revolution that if ever successful, they’d be the first to complain about the results. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/20 at 09:42:25 he was shot in the back seven times at close range which was entirely unnecessary.. Technically, I guess he's right. The cop, not just trying to stop the guy from possibly grabbing a gun, wanted to kill him, because of his skin color, and didn't just shoot him once, in the head. I'm sure that had the guy not resisted arrest and gotten tazed, which somehow didn't immobilize him, and he wrestle away and head for his car, that evil cop would have shot him anyway.. I hope that sounds idiotic, because if it doesn't sound idiotic to propose such a series of events, that concludes with him being shot, you have a problem,, yet it seems like what you believe. What were they SUPPOSED to do? He had a warrant for his arrest. Cops TRIED to arrest him. He resisted Got tazed And the rest is history. You can rage all you want.. But you have yet to state What Should have been done. Please,, tell us how you stop someone who has already overpowered the cops and walked away from being tazed.. And is very possibly seconds from being armed with a gun? When did he get shot? Not after struggling Not after being tazed But AFTER he opened the door . If you were on the scene And it's your JOB to stop a bad situation from turning deadly You SHOOT the guy And you shoot until they are no longer a threat. You're a bigot, because you unreasonably hold to ideas. It's unreasonable to hold to them because of the logical, rational reasons I've laid out for you. Learn how to see the world realistically.. |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by WebsterMark on 08/31/20 at 05:01:01 Who’s heard of Kenosha Hatrick? |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by MnSpring on 08/31/20 at 11:51:08 043631202736211E322138530 wrote:
I believe it is when someone bags a pedophile, wife beater, & felon at one time. And now enterprising entrepreneurs are capitalizing on that and making 'T' shirts. Hey I got an idea, instead of using the old barn for a musical, Lets take-up a collection, and sent two 'T' shirts to: Rock & EDS !!! ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Kenosha Post by srinath on 09/08/20 at 12:40:49 He wasn't shot in the "Back" he was shot in the A$$ - the least possible damage with the stopping power against someone with a knife. I dunno if the fool turned around and caught one in the front of his ... A$$ But Heels up Harris is on her way to find out ... Cool. Srinath. |
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