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Message started by eau de sauvage on 08/09/20 at 03:23:04

Title: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/09/20 at 03:23:04

Hezbollah the well known terrorist organisation were keeping the highly explosive ammonium nitrate at the port of Beirut, that much is obvious now. Arabs had embraced their terrorist organisations like Hezbollah and Hamas and it only brings tears.

Similarly the Evangelicals have embraced a type of terrorist president, anathema to their beliefs, but with the promise to empower them to foist their religion onto everyone else. Lie down with dogs get up with fleas.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/us/evangelicals-trump-christianity.html

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by srinath on 08/09/20 at 06:56:17

Wow, woweeeee ...

So Trump is burning down cities like Portland, Seattle, NYC. Chicago, Atlanta, ST Louis, SF, LA (which were chitteholes even without the fires) etc etc ...

Stretch much ???

Just blame Trump for WW1, WW2, Franco Prussian war, 30 yrs war too while you're in there.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Matchless G11 on 08/09/20 at 12:28:33

Interesting, those who attack Christianity can never propose a good alternative.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/09/20 at 12:42:32

I decided to read this,, and Im not sure how to respond,,
Its ludicrous on its face,,
But its so idiotic its difficult to figure out what to say in response,,
How in the everluvvinFUKK can anyone smart enuff to ride and not get killed be that stupid?
How can you POssible conflate TRump with Hezbolla?
OHH,, IM sorry,, I forgit,,
Youre a devout lefty,, that explains it,,
IDIOT

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/09/20 at 16:29:14

@Matchless, not sure how you decided this is against Christianity, I'm against any religion that forces their personal religious beliefs onto others who have religious values that are different. This would seem a pretty fundamental value.

@Sri, with regards to Portland, yeah, he's metaphorically not just burning down law enforcement, by using his Feds, in the same way he used the Army as a prop, but he's been burning down the pillars of your shakier democracy from the get go.

My point is that the only reason Evangelicals are voting for the Godless, profane Trump, (never mind that he's an unqualified incompetent buffoon)can be summed up on a single word, 'abortion'. And the enemy of the enemy is their friend and they've sacrificed everything their religions stands for on this single issue which they wish to force onto everyone else.

Trump knows this, it's why he went from pro choice to what he knew was the only single issue that Evangelicals really cared about. And he's right.

I'm drawing a comparison with Hezbollah, and other middle eastern terrorist organisations like Hamas, who also have political control. They have this control because the people support them and are willing to sacrifice whatever they have to, rather than just say that these are bad people and are not going to make a better world for their children. Only an organisation that has so much hatred for their enemy, would not value the safety of it's own citizens by storing nearly 3k tons of high explosive in a city centre. It's a callousness equally shown by Trump. The only difference is the drama, like fast combustion or slow combustion. It's still combustion.

So the Evangelicals who apparently value life will put up with a leader, who while giving them abortion abolishment via extreme justices, nevertheless causes massive suffering and loss of life by his mismanagement elsewhere, from Covid-19, to environmental pollution and poverty, while enriching the already wealthy.

So the people of Beirut blame their corrupt government but the real power is their widely popular Hezbollah, who wanted the Ammonium nitrate for their own purposes which surely were not agricultural. So Hezbollah effectively blew up Beirut and Trump is effectively blowing up the institutions of democracy and tormenting civil unrest.

Trump is metaphorically bombing your elections. As it appears the the considerable Republican gerrymandering isn't going to be enough, he's preparing to challenge the actual election itself. He has put one of his mega donors in charge of USPS and that mega donor is sabotaging the election as we speak.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/09/20 at 16:43:57

So the Evangelicals who apparently value life will put up with a leader, who while giving them abortion abolishment via extreme justices, nevertheless causes massive suffering and loss of life by his mismanagement elsewhere, from Covid-19, to environmental pollution and poverty, while enriching the already wealthy.

Are you an abject liar or are you just ignorant?
Just prior to the cv19 bullshit, TRump had a record setting economy,, and the failed racist he is,, BLACKS and other minorities were seeing what?
RECORD LOW UNEMPLOYMENT,,
But you rave on,,

Lets see now,,
Religions that FORCE their ideologies on otheres,,
WHO is it that Demands conversion or DEATH?

Christians?
Nope,,
Muslims?
Yep,, WHY dont you stop embarassing yourself?
STFU or get a clue.,

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by srinath on 08/09/20 at 16:49:55

55475350474143260 wrote:

@Sri, with regards to Portland, yeah, he's metaphorically not just burning down law enforcement, by using his Feds, in the same way he used the Army as a prop, but he's been burning down the pillars of your shakier democracy from the get go.

Regarding Portland - have you seen anything other than that 1 guy getting picked up by the FEDs ?
That was a undercover operative they are rescusing, likely after he called in cos he thought he was made.

Now there is 40 other cities, including ones I didn't even name - like for example Minneapolis - which my wife's cousin lives in and its pretty much now Hiroshima ... her husband was a realtor and he says 80% of his listings were either burnt out or "have light damage" and the 20% in the burbs/exurbs - are getting offers for 50 and 80% over asking.

Burning chit is Libral philosophy -
Here is what Trump votes do -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNetsUW8Up0

Here is what Libtards do -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6J63dGxu6I

I am not Indian-American for any libtard who wants to label me - I am an American who was born in India.

Sorry sausage - with Australias's "excellent" record in Timor Leste, and Papua New Guiea etc etc your country is an excellent example of how your politicians can fcuk the country and people over while at the same time fcuking people of other countries over for basically what only benefits the chinese - I think you're thinking american presidents as doing the same thing ... well they do most of the time, except this one does not.

He donates $$$ he legitimately earnt to the US treasury -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/09/trump-foreign-profits/

He created more jobs for black people driving black unemployment lower than ever thought possible -

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2019/unemployment-rate-was-3-point-6-percent-in-october-2019.htm#:~:text=The%20unemployment%20rate%20was%203.6,or%20Latinos%20(4.1%20percent).

You're so used to your "leaders" Fcuking over everyone in sight - that's the lens you see everything through -
Trump is not one of those.

Global media is controlled by 6 globalists - all of whom are after us - and Trump is in their way. Hence they hate him for protecting the sheeple from slaughter.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/09/20 at 18:23:14

Yeah the fcuk ups that Australians have perpetrated on other countries and their own citizens are all the equivalent of Republicans who are known here as the Liberals. So it may be confusing for you, our 'democrats' are called Labor. Whateves. Look at the horrors that Republicans administrations have foisted on their own people from Viet Nam to Iraq. From Kent State to Portland. From Voter suppression to healthcare. The party of the wealthy for the wealthy. But the point I'm making is that you excuse the Republicans from what is patently wrong and you keep paying for it. There's the link to Hezbollah, they keep foisting misery upon misery upon the Arabs and they keep paying a heavy price.

@JoG as I said, you just repeat 'wot trump said', he gets no credit for simply being president during a rising economy. It's been on a continual upward trend since Obama took over after the collapse of 2008, up up up, all the way, and guess what it continued with Trump as it would have anyone. However he refused to take credit for making the economic collapse much worse than it needed to be. And like Trump, you lie yet call others liars. You're a fcuking joke.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by srinath on 08/10/20 at 05:36:10

Horrors of republican administrations ? !/2 of what you listed was democrap, healthcare screw up was Obama, real voter supression is a myth. Democrap want illegals to register to vote - and they call stopping this as suppession -
This is in Texas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lfuc4ewzGw
This is CA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJYmscNvAFo

There is no voter suppression, theres only vote dilution when illegals vote.

Obama did give us recovery, they were termed Jobless recovery and wageless recovery - not my words Obama's.
Trump continued that revovery but with increasing wages and narrowing of the income gap -
Skyrocketing under Obama - That's Obama in the video BTW -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY05U7GaU5I

Narrowing under Trump -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWRaZ4_RJfo
This one is gender pay gap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV3WOPOWi_g

I dont listen to Trump. Of Late I've been listening to Biden, and its eye opening. Truly truly shocking.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by philthymike on 08/10/20 at 05:47:38

Obama changed the eligibility requirements for unemployment compensation which had the effect of booting recipients off in order to make it look like his administration was putting Americans back to work. I know this because I was on unemployment at the time and had my benefits cancelled resulting in subsequent eviction proceedings and then having to live in a weekly rates hotel full of drug addicts until I got back on my feet again.

I remember his state of the Union address where he proudly claimed that unemployment was at its lowest in years because of his effective actions for economic stimulus. Lying sack of crap.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by srinath on 08/10/20 at 06:15:58

Yea same as Clinton who moved people out of "welfare" which was temporary but people were on it for years to "disability" which was permanent (and no incentive to get out of it) making it look like "welfare to work" actually got people working ... ofcourse there were no jobs, all were sent to Mexico and China.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by philthymike on 08/10/20 at 08:34:00

He ought to be publicly hanged for treason. He conspired to hand over our economy to enemy nations and sold out each and every American employed in the manufacturing sector.

To me he'll always be the biggest scumbag in the history of scumbag politicians. The Great Satan of the demonic democruds.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by srinath on 08/10/20 at 10:28:17

Clinton also sold out IT sector under cover of Y2K and so on.
These fools tell us that a growing economy is great - well, its great for investors, not workers if it "grows" with more imported workers and lower and lower wages.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by MnSpring on 08/10/20 at 13:38:39

65776360777173160 wrote:

... I'm against any religion that forces their personal religious beliefs onto others who have religious values that are different. ....

Really, REALLY ??????
So, Killing a Human by, throwing off a cliff, abortion, stoning, bombing, flying airplanes into buildings.
So, Punishing a Person, telling them they have to/or cannot eat something, forcing them to/or not to, make/bake/fabricate/sell.
(and so MANY more) are NOT, OK with you ????????

OH, you posted here,
What did, YOU, call people that Post here ???????????

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Matchless G11 on 08/10/20 at 16:10:20

, I'm against any religion that forces their personal religious beliefs onto others who have religious values that are different. This would seem a pretty fundamental value.

Wow so what are you for?
A government that forces it's "values" on you?
Look at N Korea, Stalin's Russia, Mao's China,
All Godless places.

Or as

G.K. Chesterton would say
— 'Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.'

Have your membership card, be watched at all times, say the party line, don't laugh and never cease clapping for the demigod.

Such a world! all you have to do is get rid of Christianity, and we all can hold hands and sing "Imagine"
and pretend we are in a Star Trekie poo future.

Sorry
Human nature is rotten.
Old scratch runs free....

As Patrick McGoohan
who came up with the smashing show "The Prisoner"
once said.
“But what is the greatest evil? If you are going to epitomize evil, what is it? Is it the bomb? The greatest evil that one has to fight constantly, every minute of the day until one dies, is the worse part of oneself.

Look Trump is not perfect.
I almost did not vote for him (I was going to write in Huckabee)

But I see his actions are better then his words.

So the perfect guy for president would be Jesus,

But he is not on the ticket.
Neither is . G. K Chesterton, C.S. Lewis, Hilaire Belloc, Fulton Sheen.
Hey I would vote for Billy Gram.
But he is not running either.

G K Chesterton also mentioned the democracy of the dead.
If the 50 Million that never allow to be born were able to vote.
A guy named Joe would not get a single yea.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Eegore on 08/10/20 at 16:39:38

I think there's a significant difference between the implementation of law by elected officials to provide consequences for people who do not abide by certain standards and religious beliefs being used as consequences for those that are not the same religion.

For instance if it's law in my state to have a marriage license to qualify for joint-tax filing. Only the content of marriage, legal by state issue, and only state issued marriage license that adheres to state standards no matter the opinion of anyone/organization etc. A legal binding state issued marriage license only, with no debate as to validity based off of gender, only a marriage license issued by the state legally.

If its required I get a marriage certificate issued by the State, I can then file my taxes jointly with my spouse. The state does not require I be married at all.

If a religious group mandates I get married, that's excessive. I shouldn't be required to marry. But I should be required to marry in order to gain tax benefits related to that.

If elected officials create an equal rights business law, and abuse it, the constituents need to change law, and remove elected officials.

If the business owner says something stupid like "Id make a wedding cake for two dogs, but not two women." then he's on his own for the most part as it's hard to change law with such idiotic statements.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/10/20 at 21:46:45

I'm against any religion that forces their personal religious beliefs onto others...

Wow so what are you for?

Well If I'm against a religion that forces their beliefs onto others, then isn't it fcuking obviousl that I'd be 'for' the opposite. Namely a religion that does not force... etc.

Or to put it another way, I'm 'for' the opposite of what I'm 'against'. Isn't everybody?

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/10/20 at 22:04:58

What religions force their ideas on others?
Muslims kill queers and if their own daughter or sister gets raped, well,, honor killing isn't outta the question, right?
Ahh, but those nasty CHRISTIANS,

Good FUKKING God,
Democrats have been running all these cities that are full of murdered people. And I'm supposed to give the fools whose ideas have created these shitholes time and energy to debate, when they should all be walking away from everything they have said and believed for decades
BECAUSE THE FAILURE LEVEL IS UNSURPASSED ..

Shut up..
Own your Stupid and stop acting like you're ever anything other than wrong.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/11/20 at 06:56:19

What religions force their ideas on others?

In this particular case which I've been talking about, it's very specifically the minority evangelicals forcing their religious abortion preferences on the majority of US citizens. But you already knew that.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by MnSpring on 08/11/20 at 08:04:06

796B7F7C6B6D6F0A0 wrote:

... particular case ...
... it's very specifically ...
... But you already knew that.

You have learned well, grasshopper.
That backpedaling sounds just like a post,
from the person that posted under the avatar of ‘tt’ !

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by MnSpring on 08/11/20 at 08:14:06

50494747111152455445434B131415200 wrote:
As Patrick McGoohan
who came up with the smashing show "The Prisoner"
once said.
“But what is the greatest evil? If you are going to epitomize evil, what is it? Is it the bomb? The greatest evil that one has to fight constantly, every minute of the day until one dies, is the worse part of oneself".

Wow, another, 'The Prisoner', watcher.
Not many understood that program.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Matchless G11 on 08/11/20 at 15:46:43

37253132252321440 wrote:

Excuse me
But I live in this country , and a majority Do Not favor abortion as birth control.

Why don't you worry about your own land?

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Eegore on 08/11/20 at 16:10:19

"Excuse me
But I live in this country , and a majority Do Not favor abortion as birth control."

Not as "birth control".

As in most do not prefer to avoid condoms, contraceptives etc. over getting an abortion later.

I've not done any extensive study on this, so I can't say for sure, but in my personal experience very few people, that I am aware of, want to outlaw abortion. If anything they would want to have restrictions on repetitive abusive behavior.

So yeah not many people want to use abortion as birth control when alternatives exist. Making it illegal however is a different thing.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Matchless G11 on 08/11/20 at 16:20:10

1535373F2235500 wrote:

When it comes down to it Eegore
It is taking of a life,,
It's that simple..
If child murder is not wrong,
then what is?

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/11/20 at 16:28:31

Excuse me
But I live in this country...etc

Yes right, no one from another country should have a say in any other country's policies much less on a forum. That's even more braindead that I'd expect from JoG. By your logic your country should not be involved in any human rights abuses anywhere in the world and the world should not bother with the blatant racism in the US, the World should never have intervened in Apartheid, blah blah. MAGA!!!

While the issue is nuanced 77% of the US want Abortion to remain legal.

And guess what if it is legal, doesn't mean it's compulsory, that's why it's called 'pro choice' as opposed to Evangelicals wishing to push their extreme position of making it illegal down the throats of the majority in the US. Even those who want restrictions on abortion, still want it to be legal.

A minority of extreme Christians wish to impose their religious beliefs on the majority.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/11/20 at 16:40:55

When it comes down to it Eegore
It is taking of a life,,
It's that simple..
If child murder is not wrong,
then what is?

There you have it right there. That is your extreme religious view and the view of extreme fundamentalist Christians, and y'all are entitled to that view and to excercise your free expression of that religious view. Trouble is you wish to force that on to the majority and anything justifies that including supporting Trump who is against everything else that the evangelicals stand for.

But you say not it's not it's 'child murder', in the same manner they wail about 'creation science' that should be taught in schools. Religious schools yes, secular schools no.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/11/20 at 16:45:34

Really, REALLY ??????
So, Killing a Human by, throwing off a cliff, abortion, stoning, bombing, flying airplanes into buildings.

You're so stupid that you make it impossible to answer. WTF are you on about. I didn't qualify anything I just said no fundamental religious belief should be forced onto others. It's even in your constitution.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Eegore on 08/11/20 at 16:51:40

"When it comes down to it Eegore
It is taking of a life,,
It's that simple..
If child murder is not wrong,
then what is? "

Your comment was "birth control".

I agree that not many people use abortion, or agree to abortion as "birth control". Using a condom, or a contraceptive/prescription birth control, is typically more accepted. I was addressing your "birth control" comment and how the people around me assess that particular logic. This is important because a lot of abortion arguments use this phrasing, and that type of wording indicates that alternatives to pregnancy mitigation are not taken into account.

Asking someone if they would use abortion "as birth control" will typically yield a No answer.

Most people I know are ok with abortion being legal. If, to you, they are all pro-child murder, then they are all ok with killing children, to you.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/11/20 at 16:56:36

243B3D3A2720112111293B377C4E0 wrote:

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/11/20 at 23:54:39

@JoG,

Why are you quoting your own post, do you have alzheimers?

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Matchless G11 on 08/12/20 at 03:17:50

24362221363032570 wrote:

even life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is in our constitution.

I just believe life should be for all. We took many years to try to figure out that slaves were alive . Now we are just trying to figure out if a baby is alive.

I am not impossible to answer.
I just am standing by the truth.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Matchless G11 on 08/12/20 at 03:27:40

6E7C686B7C7A781D0 wrote:

Force the majority?
If I am pointing out the smoke stacks at at Auschwitz doesn't make it a factory and a majorly of people did not have a problem throwing Jews in to ovens at that time.
Does it make me wrong?
Do we want all laws by a majority?

There has to be some kind of law that transcends.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Matchless G11 on 08/12/20 at 03:30:23

74576A494B50575E390 wrote:

[quote author=50494747111152455445434B131415200 link=1596968584/0#14 date=1597101020]
As Patrick McGoohan
who came up with the smashing show "The Prisoner"
once said.
“But what is the greatest evil? If you are going to epitomize evil, what is it? Is it the bomb? The greatest evil that one has to fight constantly, every minute of the day until one dies, is the worse part of oneself".

Wow, another, 'The Prisoner', watcher.
Not many understood that program.

[/quote]
Great show
I think Mexico's election cycle is like the episode "Free for All".

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/12/20 at 17:54:15

I just believe life should be for all.

And that's fine. No one is going to disagree with you. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and quite a few other things along those values should be universal. No right minded person would argue otherwise.

However you're twisting a religious principle which is against abortion by fundamentalist Christians, not all Christians I might add but people who take their religious doctrine literally, and you also believe it should apply to all.

And there's nothing wrong with 'believing' it should apply to all. The wrong comes when you want to 'force' that belief, via Supreme court justices who promise to do so. If abortion was actually against the Christian religion per se then there would not be 77 percent of Americans who want Roe vs Wade to remain on the books. There are nuances but basically they do not want to make it illegal.

In many Muslim countries they want to force people again to follow their personal beliefs. But then Muslims and Christians have a big history of this bullshit.

And what is ironic is that it's mainly the fervent fundamentalist Christians who want to make abortion illegal, and yet their tool for doing so is the grossly areligious Trump. Incredible hypocrisy, and one even wonders if they actually care about the issue or if it's simply a matter of imposing their beliefs, their will onto others. I mean look at Ireland, a deeply religious country yet even they understood the damage and misery their ban on abortion did.

Why force a woman to have and raise a child she doesn't want. I know plenty of people who've had abortions then at a better time have a child that they do want. Having an abortion does not mean less children are born, it may even mean more.

Maybe their wanting to ban abortion, would carry more weight if at the same time they wanted to increase child welfare, helping mothers to raise these children, and all the other attendant resources that are not there and are the very reasons why more vulnerable people choose not to have children they can't afford.

Instead it's down to a 'life is good' mantra, and then once the baby is born...forgeddaboudit, job done. Which is what is wanted, not 'life' but 'control'.

No, forcing young women to have children they don't want, and I've seen this directly in the family of my wife, is a means of control. They end up destroying generations. Grandmothers creating a dynasty for themselves.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Eegore on 08/12/20 at 21:54:44

"If abortion was actually against the Christian religion per se then there would not be 77 percent of Americans who want Roe vs Wade to remain on the books. There are nuances but basically they do not want to make it illegal."

Nah.

Obviously those are bad Christians.

"Having an abortion does not mean less children are born, it may even mean more."

That's math. Math isn't to be applied. Obviously the education of how biblical behavior should be has resulted in less adolescent sexual behavior. Christians/Catholics have fewer pre-marital children than other religions, get with the program. Don't use empirical evidence though, just roll with this logic.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/13/20 at 02:25:59

If I am pointing out the smoke stacks at at Auschwitz doesn't make it a factory and a majorly of people did not have a problem throwing Jews in to ovens at that time.

When you resort to Godwin's Law it's always a sure sign of a moron who has nothing to say other than bs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Matchless G11 on 08/13/20 at 03:16:12

41534744535557320 wrote:

Usually when people start saying someone is invoking Godwin’s Law means the person is losing the argument.
The left loses when confronted by the truth and starts name calling like "racist" or "Moron".

Sorry if you don't like the truth.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/13/20 at 05:01:00

lol

One minute we're talking about the 77% majority of US citizens who do not want Roe vs Wade overturned, then somehow we're in Nazi Germany talking about the gassing of Jews. Yeah, I've lost the argument, you win.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/13/20 at 08:49:01

I used to go to church..
You've never been well and truly screwed till a self appointed Christian does it.
Just because you say a majority of Americans agree with abortion, that doesn't make it a right thing to do.
Funny, that,,
I'll bet over 70% disagree with forcing change on society for that miniscule percentage of our population who are gender confused,, but hey,, democracy, right?
Which is
Mob rule..
Period..
It's a democratic Republic.
The constitution sets the framework..
And abortion isn't constitutional..
The founding fathers just didn't foresee such a disgusting level of immoral citizenry, that including the unborn in those who have constitutional rights and protections.
To whom is it written?
Those
Born and naturalized

That's the thin gruel that makes that multibillion dollar a year industry..
Sick people..
Using abortion as birth control..

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Eegore on 08/13/20 at 09:10:14

"The constitution sets the framework..
And abortion isn't constitutional.."

Women voting wasn't either. The Constitution allows for change, and in this case it is possible that abortion could become protected, just as women voting did, among other Amendments.

So the Founding Fathers, even if they could foresee abortion abuse, still allowed for the procedure of the living Constitution to allow for abortion to one day be a protected right. Even if they would never agree to it themselves.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Serowbot on 08/13/20 at 09:24:45

The Constitution was written by God, like the Bible, and it must be taken absolutely literally,.. except for the parts we disagree with...

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/13/20 at 11:16:25

Nice dodge, E.
What changed?
Read my post.
A perverse reading was used, just like anchor babies,, asswipes reading it twisting it,,

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Eegore on 08/13/20 at 11:23:23

"Nice dodge, E.
What changed?
Read my post.
A perverse reading was used, just like anchor babies,, asswipes reading it twisting it,

You would have to clarify further. My understanding is that the US Constitution allows for changes to be implemented even if those changes are not one's that the Founding Fathers would have agreed to.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by srinath on 08/13/20 at 12:05:22

You're not going to touch the connistipation unless the Pakisthani's agree to it.

Yea long since sailed, there amendments 50% of the people want are polar opposites of what the other 50 want.
50% want 2a removed.
But the other 50% want birthright citizenship, and a dozen others removed. Nothing gonna happen, regardless of who wins, regardless of china virus regardless of burned out cities ...

In fact we're stuck with executive order rule for the next decade. Obama started it and that genie never going to be put back in the bottle.
Bush got super super lucky with 9/11, else he'd have been the first to flood the place with executive orders. Obama knew what he was doing wasn't legit, Trump actually knows there's no option. The next few presidents will also have no option or not know its not legit - but will do it to pander to their base anyway.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/13/20 at 15:59:22

Just because you say a majority of Americans agree with abortion, that doesn't make it a right thing to do.

Again you're just trying to call a fundamentalist religious doctrine as 'right' then argue from the right and wrong standpoint. It's a circuitous logic.

The 'right' and 'wrong' aspect of abortion has to do with the forcing of a religious doctrine onto people who don't subscribe to it. With the emphasis on 'force', by way of law.

This is why these fundamentalist groups call themselves 'pro life' as if they are opposing 'pro death'. They turn it into life and death, then that becomes right and wrong. But the whole 'pro life' is exactly the religious doctrine. It's either we force you to follow our religious doctrine, against 'pro choice'.

Exactly the same type of logic fundamentalists try to use to get their doctrines taught in secular schools, they call it creations science and try to frame their forcing of teaching their religion in inappropriate places as giving students a grounding in other 'viewpoints'. Trying to call it science.

You're trying to frame the religious view as 'right' and that is a false premise, so if you use that false premise the logical outcome no matter how much you twist and turn or someone brings the gassing of the jews into it, is false.

If you simply call your religious doctrine 'right' then by extension you can simply force all your religious doctrines on people. And that is what Fundamentalists do if they can. They tried it and still try it with teaching creation in schools if they can do it somehow. In the Fundamentalist muslim countries of course that is the norm. Their religious doctrine is automatically 'right' but having dictators and theocracies in charge they can force it onto the population.

This is why the Fundamentalists like Trump, he's like their wet dream. And he's a wannabe tinpot dictator. Now that he's desperate his only concern is sabotaging the election, now it's attacking the post office. America and the world will be well rid of this buffoon in 82 days.

The only difference between the Muslim countries and the USA is that they have nutters in Charge. If Trump could remain president for life somehow in his dreams providing he got his power from the fundamentalist christians the USA would be just like the Saudis or Iran. Look at Iran, or Afghanistan for that matter before the Fundamentalists took over, it was a normal looking society.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/13/20 at 20:03:55

4666646C7166030 wrote:

No change
Abortion was CALLED
Constitutional
Because it wasn't called illegal
In
The constitution
A twisted and perverted reading is how it was made legal.

That you keep needing to have that explained troubles me

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/13/20 at 22:42:08

Just to add to the "logic" that the Nazi's executing Jews can be equated to abortion, is exactly the twisted type of mind that takes the next step, and that is once that equivalence is believed then that gives the extremist fundamentalist the right and duty to bomb abortion clinics. And so that is the same logic that gives Islamic fundamentalist the right and duty, to fly planes into the twin towers.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by WebsterMark on 08/14/20 at 04:42:27

Isn’t that the same logic that the Bernie Sanders’s fanatic used when he showed up at a Republican ball practice and shot evil Republicans? Did the constant, nonstop Trump is Hitler, Trump is racist, Trump is evil rhetoric lead him to believe an equivalence existed and he was justified? Because after all, who wouldn’t kill Hitler if given the chance. BLM rioters are looting, destroying and physically attacking people because of the same imagined equivalence coupled with the economic disparity issue.

Democrats have created a monster. They’ve painted half the nation as evil and the entire capitalist system that has provided financially well off suburban white children who’ve never really grown up a new hobby: self destruction with no consequences. These brainwashed fools are crossing more and more lines they can’t return from. They’re providing opportunities for others who didn’t grow up comfortable to push back against imagined foes in much more harmful manners.

When Trump wins, election night could be like nothing we’ve ever seen. I see no way out of this. I proposed an idea that Trump should win and immediately resign as a way to feed the beast the blood it so desperately craves, but I doubt even that would be enough at this point.

I see no way out of this any longer. The tiger leftist have nurtured is fully grown and wild. You fools have been mostly joking, but this tiger isn’t going to joke and what will you do when the widespread violence eventually ends up on your doorstep?

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by srinath on 08/14/20 at 05:12:08

340601101706112E021108630 wrote:

You fools have been mostly joking, but this tiger isn’t going to joke and what will you do when the widespread violence eventually ends up on your doorstep?

They will squeal like a pig like Jenny Durkan did -

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/protests/seattle-city-councilmember-kshama-sawant-joined-a-large-group-of-protesters-outside-the-chop-zone-who-marched-to-durkans-house-on-sunday-afternoon/281-b8177945-8696-4cfb-afa8-dfda5f9ccf1f

Ofcourse its all just till election day, china virus and the CHOP etc will all "go away".
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/14/20 at 05:40:45

When Trump wins, election night could be like nothing we’ve ever seen.

Noted.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by srinath on 08/14/20 at 07:44:47

3B293D3E292F2D480 wrote:

[color=#ff00ff]When Trump wins, election night could be like nothing we’ve ever seen. [/color]

Noted.

No, I dont think the shock of 16 will be repeated. We'll see more resignation and more of ... its only 4 more years, how bad could it be, after all we had more $$$ better jobs better economy till virus hit and its only 4 more years, really it will be OK - Less shock more resignation. And the virus cure will be released, and BLM and antifa will be asked to stop and go away. So it wont be even as bad as it is now.

In effect Trump's 2nd term will cure TDS. Biden's victory and subsequent robbing of the election with Biden's 25th amendment would shock most people except the ones with the worst TDS.
Biden would if he wins be the first president to invoke the 25th amendment against himself LOL.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by MnSpring on 08/14/20 at 15:18:07

62706467707674110 wrote:

... If abortion was actually against the Christian religion ...

You know this how ?

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by WebsterMark on 08/16/20 at 06:45:51

36243033242220450 wrote:

When Trump wins, election night could be like nothing we’ve ever seen.

Noted.

Anything can happen of course but Trump is still the favorite. To start with, you’d have to persuade the couple hundred thousand in those key 4 or 5 states that gave Trump his margin of victory a reason to switch. That’s going to be tough to do. You have to start there. And we should have all learned our lesson about polls. Certainly you can add to that the media’s censorship of leftist violence in Portland and Seattle as more evidence they would not honestly try to obtain realistic poll results.

So why would those people switch to Harris/Biden?

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by Serowbot on 08/16/20 at 07:47:28

162423323524330C20332A410 wrote:

Anything can happen of course but Trump is still the favorite.

... :-?...

I remember you saying betting odds are more accurate than polls... Trump is losing in both.
Do you see any indicators that aren't coming out yer' bum?...

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/16/20 at 13:07:48

Just to add to the "logic" that the Nazi's executing Jews can be equated to abortion,

Demons can make you pregnant,, but liberalism can't make you smart

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/16/20 at 15:38:40

72516C4F4D5651583F0 wrote:

[quote author=62706467707674110 link=1596968584/30#33 date=1597280055]... If abortion was actually against the Christian religion ...

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by WebsterMark on 08/16/20 at 19:26:59

7A6C7B667E6B667D090 wrote:

[quote author=162423323524330C20332A410 link=1596968584/45#52 date=1597585551]
Anything can happen of course but Trump is still the favorite.

... :-?...

I remember you saying betting odds are more accurate than polls... Trump is losing in both.
Do you see any indicators that aren't coming out yer' bum?... [/quote]

Yea. I have a far better history of understanding reality and making predictions than you so get behind me, bend down and sniff that indicator..

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by srinath on 08/17/20 at 05:40:05

584A5E5D4A4C4E2B0 wrote:

[quote author=72516C4F4D5651583F0 link=1596968584/45#51 date=1597443487][quote author=62706467707674110 link=1596968584/30#33 date=1597280055]... If abortion was actually against the Christian religion ...

You know this how ?[/quote]

=============================

Do Christians want Muslims to impose their Islamic beliefs onto you? Do you want Muslims in Parliament to have a majority then pick Supreme Court, and lower court justices that achieve this via legislation?

A very famous Christian, albeit a Jewish one, (go figure) said, "do unto others before they do unto you", or something like that anyway.[/quote]

That makes no sense to me. Indians - Hindu's outnumber muslims in congress. Including Kamala Harris who's only 1/2 Injun. I cant even think why the FFFF they're capitulating to that Idiot Ilhan Omar. Is that cos she's part of the "squad" Prize Idiots.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Trump, Evangelicals, and the Beirut blast.
Post by MnSpring on 08/17/20 at 11:41:46

22302427303634510 wrote: