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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/20 at 18:39:03

Title: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/20 at 18:39:03


Did a lot O good Right up until TRump said it was a good idea,, sudden;y,, Its as toxic as gasoline,,


http://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2020/07/trump-motivated-by-army-of-doctors.html

Until it wasnt

And when will the liars be held accountable?

I know E,, You have it on good authority it works,, except when

ohh well,,  gotta go,,

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/28/20 at 20:08:22

 Well when I am told it's been "proven" to work and the reference is... nothing.  I will not accept that as "proof", I will accept it as opinion with no reference.

 I never said hydroxychloroquine didn't work, I said Cardiologists have substantial concern that it will do more harm than good for some patients.  But Facebook lists claim its "a proven cure".  It is not. It's not a lie to say a Doctor claiming 300 patients were saved by hydroxychloroquine, but didn't submit anything for peer-review, is not meeting the standard of proven and effective care.

 From your own linked article:


"As I said before, there is cardiac toxicity associated with that, but right now, the scientists behind this medicine –as long as we can monitor the heart — are using it in an inpatient setting.”"

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by eau de sauvage on 07/29/20 at 00:32:30

Asked about hydroxychloroquine earlier on Tuesday, Dr Fauci said the medication was not an appropriate treatment for Covid-19.

He told ABC News' morning show that the drug was "not effective in coronavirus disease".


That's really all there is to say, Fauci is the number one infectious diseases expert in the USA, he has access to all the legitimate data and access to the worlds top experts in their respective fields.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53575964

You can accept Fauci's authority or you can accept Trump's quoted doctor Stella Immanuel...

...Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/woman-in-viral-covid-19-video-fears-demon-sex-aliens-2020-7

Take your pick. This is pretty stupid, even by your low standards JoG.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by eau de sauvage on 07/29/20 at 00:53:58

You couldn't make this up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/america-is-suffering-trump-offers-them-a-doctor-who-warns-of-sex-with-demons/2020/07/28/460fea3e-d0fb-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

This is not Immanuel’s only diversion from the medical mainstream. She also maintains that alien DNA is a component of some therapeutic drugs and that government scientists are developing a vaccine to prevent religious faith. You can find these and other teachings of hers on YouTube.

Or you can find Immanuel on President Trump’s Twitter feed, where she testifies to the power of hydroxychloroquine (yep! we’re back to that one) to cure covid-19 and assures the public that masks are not important to fighting the pandemic. More than 10 million Americans heard her advice, thanks in part to the president’s amplifying effect, before Facebook took down her page. In response, Immanuel threatened to have Jesus unplug Facebook’s servers.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/29/20 at 07:13:45

 Well given the historical acceptance of things like Sandy hook, the Epstein body double and perfect DNA replication, "Mercury" in vaccines lies, among other things I would say Alien DNA and Succubus breeding with humans is a perfectly acceptable idea to come from a doctor who claims they treated 300 patients with hydrochloroquine, but can't provide the data typically associated with honest claims.

 It's because we want hydroxy to work we will ignore parts of the information that doesn't support that view, like the missing patients, and the Alien DNA.  

 So much easier to find another article touting Hydroxychloroquine with no references to real patients than it is to face the facts of the article already referenced.  Even easier to cherry-pick Fauci quotes off Facebook to discredit him with statements he never made.  So expect that route before anyone acknowledges Immanuel is just plain full of speculative and ridiculous comments providing no research on subjects she is an expert in.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Serowbot on 07/29/20 at 08:23:17

A spoonful of alien DNA helps the hydrochloride go down... ;D

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Serowbot on 07/29/20 at 09:12:22

Trump is such an idiot, he walks out on himself...  
I can't understand how people can support a man that clearly knows he's an idiot.
This is not even the first time he's done it... :-/
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odQ4RWrwUAI[/media]

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/29/20 at 10:41:37

 The real issue here is that it takes about 5 seconds to Google: "doctor Stella Immanuel" and get a ton of what I would consider concerning for my doctor to say, for instance who here would take their kids to a pediatrician that has diagnosed Human to Succubus intercourse?

 But why do that since she is saying something I want to hear?  It's not like pro-hydroxychloroquine articles would lead me along like a fool.

 I guess since she believes that Jesus will destroy Facebook servers for removing her posts it doesn't make her a "liar" and as such doesn't qualify for the "when will the liars be held accountable?" issue.  

 But if Facebook stays up and running, is she a liar?  Or is the news sources citing her statement the liar?

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by MnSpring on 07/29/20 at 11:26:49


2432253820353823570 wrote:
 ... I can't understand how people can support a man that clearly knows he's an idiot.

Yet you CAN, (and seemingly support),
how people can support a man that clearly does not know he's an idiot,
(because of a VERY evident memory illness/problem)
yet IS, a IDIOT !!!!!!!!!

And will do, whatever the UL, FDS, Socialists tell him what to do !

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/30/20 at 08:16:28

HCQ not only works but a lot of the talking heads (especially Cuomo) has taken it and is lying to your face about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39qG4h73s-g

Its 10 mins long but really the punch line is less than 4 mins in - Yea yea its right wing propaganda but its really mirroring the experiences of the people I know in India who have taken it for both Malaria and china virus.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/30/20 at 08:29:46


1737353D2037520 wrote:
 The real issue here is that it takes about 5 seconds to Google: "doctor Stella Immanuel" and get a ton of what I would consider concerning for my doctor to say, for instance who here would take their kids to a pediatrician that has diagnosed Human to Succubus intercourse?

 But why do that since she is saying something I want to hear?  It's not like pro-hydroxychloroquine articles would lead me along like a fool.

 I guess since she believes that Jesus will destroy Facebook servers for removing her posts it doesn't make her a "liar" and as such doesn't qualify for the "when will the liars be held accountable?" issue.  

 But if Facebook stays up and running, is she a liar?  Or is the news sources citing her statement the liar?




Dude She's Cameroonian, and I have a Cameroonian Neighbor. These people are simply bat nuts cray cray - however - They are also french, religious beyond anything the preachy americans are - I mean my neighbor sends entire garage fulls of stuff to cameroon every couple months, some to be given away, some to be used to help a business (as in - for profit - Like a Freezer to help a meat shop store meat and sell - so freezer is for profit, but in a country with days long power outages only a for profit outfit will run a generator to keep a freezer alive) anyway, one time we were listening to a guy on radio yak on about the book of revelation ... and I heard of a 8 headed snake - now In Indian mythology there was such a beast and some diety tamed it and cut off 1-2 heads and it became his slave etc etc ... I asked her if it was something like that, she said more loose metaphor, its like a 8 pronged attack by a country etc, not literal. If you ask an Injun, they will swear a 10 headed man did exist a 8 headed snake did exist etc etc. Maybe succubus is a conceited and dumb but hot looking woman like AOC or Cathy Areu.


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Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/30/20 at 09:28:56

"really mirroring the experiences of the people I know in India who have taken it for both Malaria and china virus."

 Documentation and independent verification is needed.

 The problem isn't that it doesn't work at all, it is that there are associated risks and people want to ignore those and claim Hydroxychloroquine "cures" SARS-COV-2.  Like Immanuel and her unconfirmed 300 patients.


 You claim you can guarantee your family will not get SARS-COV-2.  That may be true, but you won't provide verifiable proof so nobody is going to stake millions of other lives on your word alone.

 Hydroxychloroquine is in a similar boat.  Lots of claims, minimal proof.

 Like I said, pro-hydroxy articles can also lead us around like fools, but people want to ignore that.

 

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/30/20 at 09:40:44

You want proof - Look it up yourself. I'm not here to "help" you do whatever the crap you're trying to do. I'm from the streets of India, I have family who are still there, living in the same house for generations. You wanted t o pick the zit of how someone delivered $$$ to the treasury - you can pick this zit yourself. I aint helping you.

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Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/30/20 at 16:10:04


"You want proof - Look it up yourself. I'm not here to "help" you do whatever the crap you're trying to do."

 Look up "proof" that your family can not contract SARS-COV-2?

 I never asked for help, but given your last few posts in my threads I assume you aren't reading all of what is posted anyway.

 I said that people are claiming hydroxychloroquine "cures" SARS-COV-2 and do not provide enough evidence for anyone to take it seriously.

 This is similar to how you claim that you family can not get SARS-COV-2, but can not provide enough evidence for anyone to take it seriously.


 I do not want you to.  

 I do not want any help.

 I expect you to provide nothing.  

 I do not however expect anyone to think you are telling the truth, based off of the zero evidence you have provided, that again, nobody is asking for.

 The difference is with hydroxychloroquine, people want independently verified data, not a Facebook post, not a doctor claiming Jesus will avenge her, not a Political figure.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 03:45:47

There's no unbaised information on this bro. Sorry, its political, 96% of media spins as not a cure, 2% says it is, and 2% is searching for the truth. There is massive censorship about any info on HCQ again politically driven again.

That doctor has claimed Chris Cuomo was on HCQ and a urine test will confirm or deny it. Lets see if Cuomo steps to the challenge. HCQ causes all the symptoms Cuomo has claimed he had. Chinese virus - does not. As that is all that stands so far - He took it. He can prove otherwise.

I never said my family cant contract China virus - stop lying.

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Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 05:44:27

"I never said my family cant contract China virus - stop lying."

 You said you can "guarantee" they will not get it.

 To me, this means you are establishing that they will not get SARS-COV-2.  So you would be correct that you are not indicating they can't, you are just saying they will not, and offer a guarantee.

 Your guarantee is as valid as Immanuel's as she is providing the same level of proof as you are.  I am unaware of any procedure that would allow mass prescribing of hydrochloroquine based off of a person's guarantee, or claim of treatment without documentation and peer review.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 06:54:40


6646444C5146230 wrote:
"I never said my family cant contract China virus - stop lying."

 You said you can "guarantee" they will not get it.

 To me, this means you are establishing that they will not get SARS-COV-2.  So you would be correct that you are not indicating they can't, you are just saying they will not, and offer a guarantee.

 Your guarantee is as valid as Immanuel's as she is providing the same level of proof as you are.  I am unaware of any procedure that would allow mass prescribing of hydrochloroquine based off of a person's guarantee, or claim of treatment without documentation and peer review.




Where did I say I guarantee it ? Show me - and none of your edited kluge crap either.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 07:24:29


"Guaranteed, this shitte will not stand a chance against me or my family. But I aint getting no ventilator - guaranteed."


http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=search2


 I followed up my assessment of what you meant and your response, ("You on the other hand claim to have solved it already through your own means.') so that, to me, indicated you believe you have a cure for SARS-COV-2 but are not "qualified" enough to libtards, so you won't present this cure.


No shittete genius. But sadly I am not "qualified" Somehting very important to Libtards.


 So I would say you are correct, you did not guarantee that you or your family would not get SARS-COV-2.  You guaranteed you would not end up on a ventilator, and that SARS-COV-2 would not stand a chance against your family.  This, to me, meant that you or your family could not get or die from SARS-COV-2 and that you have a cure but due to your lack of qualifications specific to libtard assessment influences your decision to not share your cure in a clinical setting where it could save lives.

 

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 07:53:55

Your link doesn't work -
It says please specify a search string - link the thread not the search URL.

Again creative cutting and pasting I see - but still my question is - From what you pasted -
Did I mean - "a guarantee my family wont get Chinavirus ???"

And like I said - course of treatment = HCQ+Zn+Zmax. They routinely put healthworkers in India on those to get them out of Malaria. Works even better against Chinavirus.

You're questioning a doctor for that same cure ???? Doctor who in the US has documented 350+ high risk cases she has cured. Why would you take my word or 1000's of other doctors relayed to you 3 removed.

If not for the political milking of this virus, and the subsequent BLMilking this would have been long settled, all the flak flying around is political.

BTW I really dont want the cure to get out, I am pro shutdown, and pro work from home forever, and the instant I have to go to an office, I'll open each day by a coughing and sneezing fit.

Ventilators are garbage - No one is getting on that if I have a say unless they need to for a non chinavirus related condition.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 08:04:30


 Try this one:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1586202735/7#7


 My cutting and pasting is not creative, I attempted to reference the thread in it's entirety and cut the quotes like everyone does when they quote something.


"a guarantee my family wont get Chinavirus ???"

 No, I clarified that in my response.  You only guarantee that SARS-COV-2 will not "stand a chance" which may indicate they can get it, but it will not be damaging and will definitely not kill, or hospitalize specific to ventilated care.

 In the future I will make sure to be more accurate in saying your family can contract SARS-COV-2 but can not die from it based off of your "guarantee", and that you have a cure that you choose not to share due to your pro-shutdown stance.

 This still has the same level of validity and will be taken as seriously as doctor Immanual and her reptile government, and 300 cured patients she can't provide data on.

 But JoG's article is pro-hydroxychloroquine, so we should accept it as fact, ignoring the missing parts like actual patients.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 08:19:29

Keep picking that zit over and over again dude.

I will as it stands now take my chances with HCQ+Zn+Zmax.

As soon as election is done, the virus will stop and we'll all be cured, the best part is, even libtards will be cured even if Trump wins.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 08:46:00

Whats wrong with asking a doctor who has cured 300 patients with a drug to provide the info on the 300 patients?

 When that doctor can't do that and instead proclaims Jesus will retaliate on their behalf, what's wrong with thinking maybe the doctor isn't curing hundreds?

 I think hydroxychloroquine can work, especially the zinc mix, but no one has provided "cure" level information.  We don't have to blame "the media" or "libtards", or anyone for that.  The numbers don't exist, or the person making the claim would provide them.

 My point is people choose to ignore major gaps, like cured patients, in articles they like.  

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 08:59:35

I think its called - HIPAA bro, look it up.
I can tell my doctor (chiropractor) That my wife and son are coming in ~4, but he cant tell me if they were there earlier that day.
By saying Jesus will strike you down - That doctor is clearly showing her religious faith as well as following HIPAA.
Now India has no HIPAA, I spoke to my mom, who spoke to the same doctor who she's seen for 40 yrs who calmly told her the names of people who she knew that have been treated with HCQ for chinavirus like symptoms (which is still the best case for India, we didn't have a test in India atleast 2 months ago when I spoke to her about this.

BTW India Makes a ton of HCQ, cos its a malaria drug, India may be ahead of China on that, I dont know how it was 4 months ago before chinese virus hit, but we make it in copious quantities, we dont make tests cos its a lot cheaper to take HCQ than it is to test.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 09:21:24

"I think its called - HIPAA bro, look it up."

 Its called HIPPA, I worked in a medical center for over a decade, I am well aware.



"I can tell my doctor (chiropractor) That my wife and son are coming in ~4, but he cant tell me if they were there earlier that day."

 This is wrong.  They can tell you they were there, they can not tell you why.  For instance if you visit a hospital you can ask if your family member is there and what room they are in so you can visit and they can give you that information.  They can tell you they were there earlier and have been discharged.  

 They can not say why your family member is there.



 "By saying Jesus will strike you down - That doctor is clearly showing her religious faith as well as following HIPAA."

 This is is totally incorrect, it is showing her religious faith, and Facebook removing her posts has absolutely nothing to do with HIPPA.  She is protecting no patient confidentiality by declaring Jesus will avenge her.


 Let's not pretend that HIPPA means absolute silence of medical care, locations, times, and more important - outcomes.  A doctor can provide patient outcomes in clinical environments for peer review.  It's called modern medical science.  But by calling HIPPA, we can justify, wrongly, why a doctor can claim curing patients, but can not provide any clinical results, and just hope everyone is ignorant enough to believe that nonsense.




Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 09:30:58

OK Good, can HIPPA allow for names and contact numbers of patients to be released by their doctor ???

Anyway censorship is rampant, I'm sure they're quashing and discrediting the information till the election. So bad for them, this doctor was both black and foreign born. Oh, she's religiulous and christian (not muslim or other) - OK lets bash her on that and censor the rest.

Faux news had another doctor over 2 months ago who declared he had at that time a 100 patients treated and not had one die. I heard it, but well, it is Faux news, and I want shut down to increase, so I dont think I posted it much, and I knew around then of people who my mom knew had been treated and reversed the infection.

So My wife and son go to a chiropractor - and do I have to wonder why ? In any case the doctor and the front desk just say - sorry we cant tell you about other people. The front desk people at this chain isn't a medical anything, just regular high school grads. In fact they wanted my wife to apply for one of those positions as well.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 09:58:08

"OK Good, can HIPPA allow for names and contact numbers of patients to be released by their doctor ???"

 Yes, in a clinical environment, in accordance to HIPPA policy.  Medical professionals and organizations, laboratories etc. share patient information all the time.  This is how research is done.  Does it make any sense to say a doctor can only talk about patient outcomes but can never provide an actual patient or patient data?



"Oh, she's religiulous and christian (not muslim or other) - OK lets bash her on that and censor the rest."

 Claiming any Deity will shut down Facebook to avenge you will be met with the same amount of criticism.  Why on earth would anyone defend the logic that any God of any religion will shut down Facebook because they removed some posts?  Add sex with demons and reptile government leaders and we start stacking some odd statements that either mean this one doctor knows more about a well-documented medical condition, or all other doctors are wrong.



"I knew around then of people who my mom knew had been treated and reversed the infection."

 I'm not contesting that.  I am saying that knowing someone who knows someone isn't going to meet clinical standards, peer-review, or even get close to any form of assurance for large scale implementation.  People can't claim Hydroxychloroquine is a "proven cure" based off of that type of information.  At most it worked for some people you know.  That's it, don't try to make it more than that.  



"So My wife and son go to a chiropractor - and do I have to wonder why ?"

 Typically with a child you do have rights to their medical information as the child can not enter into a binding contract, and you have parental rights.  Exceptions exist such as a pregnant minor.  As for your wife you can authorize organizations to share your medical history, but she can also request her treatment not be shared.  You can not go in and ask for my medical history.



"In any case the doctor and the front desk just say - sorry we cant tell you about other people."

 That may be their process, but HIPPA does not require that.



"The front desk people at this chain isn't a medical anything, just regular high school grads."


 HIPPA applies to the medical license in operation, not the staff by medical credential.  All employees, representatives or volunteers still have to follow HIPPA policy no matter their personal qualifications.

 

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 10:13:59

Lets try this -
We're supposed to take advice on climate change from a 17 yr old sweedish girl ...

But not medical advice from the off label use of a 90 yr old proven and safe drug with known and mild side effects for a new chinese lab created virus ???

That's right up there with stay at home and hide and dont go to work ...
Its OK to riot and burn up shitte Y'all.

Garbage arguments Eegore. On all fronts.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 11:22:56

We're supposed to take advice on climate change from a 17 yr old sweedish girl ...


 I've never seen peer-reviewed content from her, and also have not seen anyone recommend large scale medical protections be implemented without clinical trial because of her.  

 I think if you are using the word "Advice" to replace "Proof" then yeah we can take the "advice" of doctors that can not provide "proof" but we can not say we have "proof" because of a doctor's "advice.  

 If replacing words is how we do this then I will replace the word "owe" with the word "loaned".   So now instead of:  I "owe" you money.  It is now: I "gave" you money.  No harm in changing words mid-argument, won't change the entire meaning at all right?




"But not medical advice from the off label use of a 90 yr old proven and safe drug with known and mild side effects for a new chinese lab created virus ???"

 You can.  But you can not claim you cured 300 patients and not provide any information and expect anyone to believe you, except those that want to use it.  Anyone else wan'ts real proof.  Clinical acceptance requires clinical procedure and no other alternative.

 I am now claiming Aspirin cures SARS-COV-2.  That is my "proof" and is expected to be taken equally as serious as any clinical testing with thousands of real patients independently confirmed and reviewed.  Aspirin is "proven safe and is known", so my claim of "proof" rests on that, not actual patients.

 Makes sense right?


"Garbage arguments Eegore. On all fronts."

 Bringing up a child environmentalist that I never mentioned is not a garbage argument on my end, that is a failure to articulate a decent argument on your end.  

 Changing the word "proof" to "advice is not my garbage argument, that your change, your switch to justify a position that wan never challenged by me.

 Misrepresenting HIPPA in multiple ways hoping we won't catch on is not a garbage argument on my end, it is a misunderstanding or misleading of facts on your end.

 Continuing to pretend I ever said hydroxychloroquine should not ever be taken is getting you nowhere.  I am saying your knowledge of someone who knows someone does not meet clinical standards of "proof".  A doctor with no patient data doesn;t meet the clinical standard of "proof".

 Thats it.  Stop making it more than it is.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 11:24:06

Hey Karen, i think you still have that zit.
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Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 11:30:47

 "Hey Karen, i think you still have that zit."


 Yeah, that is where you have to go with this because there is no workaround of the facts.  Doctor Immanuel has provided no "proof" of her "cure" yet JoG references it as fact.  

 Your challenge to that is adolescent climate change activists, HIPPA misinformation, and your mother's associates.  And I have the garbage argument?

 

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 11:51:41

You lost the entire point and still I can see that zit Karen.
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Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 12:06:29

"You lost the entire point"

 What is your point?

 Mine is that JoG presents to us information that is not independently verified, yet is presented as proof.  There is no independently verified patient data, so there is no proof.  Furthermore the Primary source is questionable as the Primary source has claimed that a very well-studied medical condition is caused by humans having sex with demons.

 That is not proof.  That is what I am saying.  That is all I am saying.

 As for personal opinion, and exclusively personal opinion, if I was taking advice, and specifically advice and only the word advice with the exclusion of all other words, only "advice" from a doctor of any race of any religion and that doctor thinks humans have "sex with demons", I would reconsider the quality of that doctors opinions.  

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 12:21:01


79595B534E593C0 wrote:
"You lost the entire point"

 What is your point?

 Mine is that JoG presents to us information that is not independently verified, yet is presented as proof.  There is no independently verified patient data, so there is no proof.  Furthermore the Primary source is questionable as the Primary source has claimed that a very well-studied medical condition is caused by humans having sex with demons.

 That is not proof.  That is what I am saying.  That is all I am saying.

 As for personal opinion, and exclusively personal opinion, if I was taking advice, and specifically advice and only the word advice with the exclusion of all other words, only "advice" from a doctor of any race of any religion and that doctor thinks humans have "sex with demons", I would reconsider the quality of that doctors opinions.  




So is Greta Tunberg ranting and raving about "how dare you"
And now get this - she's an expert on - you guessed it Chinese virus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRXfACYbyHU

CNN uses her as a china virus expert, so obviously doctors treating and curing people are invalid as experts.

Yea yea I know you disavowed her.

These "news" agencies are quacks peddling propaganda and killing actual news that wont fit their angle. You disavowing Greta Von Doomberg is only partially valid cos you seem to not disavowing those who're putting her on the pedestal of expertise and discrediting doctors without fully interviewing them to the extent Hippa will allow even - you dont see a single reporter checking to see what info the doctor had, or if Cuomo actually took HCQ and him ask for a urine test - This is that same Matt Lauer crap all over again.

Who is supposed to get the patient data as proof under hippa allowed guidelines ??? Those people are ignoring, slandering, and lying about it not to mention taking the HCQ and still lying about it.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 12:42:25

OK I should have googled - but I am really against feeding the trolls.
I do love pointing out where Karen's have zits apparently, and is that feeding the trolls or poking the trolls ???? Anyway - This is close enough to proof - If the Karens want more - they can pick their zits as much as they want.

Wait, In India dont they dance around a fire or eat fire or walk on fire or play cricket or something ??? Yea discredit with that Karen.

From end of May - I may have posted this in an earlier thread.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-india-hydroxychloroquine-virus.html

July 15 -
https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/coronavirus-vaccine-hydroxychloroquine-hcq-covid-19-treatment-6504276/

There's a lot more, but I know of these 2 as reputable sources.
In India its use was limited to very at risk patients and medical field workers as of 2 months ago because while we made copious quantities of it, its was still only a few million a year and in a country of a billion if every 3rd person wanted to pop em like candy It'd run out in minutes.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 14:08:17

"Yea yea I know you disavowed her."

 This is incorrect.  To disavow means I deny previous support, which I have never supported her views, only that her publicity has been weaponized effectively.  

 Cite a single example where I provided any support, credibility or even entertained that she knew anything that would be used as pertinent climate change evidence.  Oh I see, we are pretending I was pro-Greta so the rest of your comment holds weight, and that I wasn't equally critical of her.

 
"These "news" agencies are quacks peddling propaganda and killing actual news that wont fit their angle."

 I agree, I have always said on here I do not utilize mainstream news as evidence.  I said that Greta has no substance to her stance, but her vilification by using the phrase "how dare you" is a solid strategic move.  



"you dont see a single reporter checking to see what info the doctor had, or if Cuomo actually took HCQ and him ask for a urine test - This is that same Matt Lauer crap all over again"

 Exactly.  This is why I don't use garbage like that to reinforce my opinions.  I provide verifiable resources, that most people won't bother to read, but will say is wrong.

 Let's not pretend I use CNN/Fox/Facebook etc. when I provide references. At most they are minor supplements.



"Who is supposed to get the patient data as proof under hippa allowed guidelines ???"
 
 Accredited healthcare and public health organizations and their affiliates.  For instance, NIH, NIPH and the CDC should have information submitted to them, also private companies producing or distributing medications/vaccines etc.

 Now anyone can have patient stats if no personal information is included.  For instance if I "cure" 300 patients with a drug and have the patient outcomes with their names and other identifying information removed, this can be distributed to anyone.  It won't however be independently verified.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 14:19:02

"OK I should have googled - but I am really against feeding the trolls.
I do love pointing out where Karen's have zits apparently, and is that feeding the trolls or poking the trolls ???? Anyway - This is close enough to proof - If the Karens want more - they can pick their zits as much as they want."


 
 You are actually proving my point.

 You are referencing actual real documented information.  Not a doctor talking in a microphone with no data that also thinks humans sleep with demons.

 But lets face it, you also are refusing to acknowledge I never said hydroxychloroquine would not work.  I never said that.  But keep pretending.


 Now with your references, which one has "cured" SARS-COV-2?

 None of them.  Yet hydroxychloroquine is a "proven" "cure" according to JoG's reference.  300 "cured".


 In your reference:  "Under India's clinical guidelines for coronavirus treatment, hydroxychloroquine can be administered, but only to patients "with severe disease and requiring ICU management"

 Why wait if its a cure?  Give it to every citizen ASAP.  Get that production up.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 15:10:10


7555575F4255300 wrote:
"OK I should have googled - but I am really against feeding the trolls.
I do love pointing out where Karen's have zits apparently, and is that feeding the trolls or poking the trolls ???? Anyway - This is close enough to proof - If the Karens want more - they can pick their zits as much as they want."


 
 You are actually proving my point.

 You are referencing actual real documented information.  Not a doctor talking in a microphone with no data that also thinks humans sleep with demons.

 But lets face it, you also are refusing to acknowledge I never said hydroxychloroquine would not work.  I never said that.  But keep pretending.


 Now with your references, which one has "cured" SARS-COV-2?

 None of them.  Yet hydroxychloroquine is a "proven" "cure" according to JoG's reference.  300 "cured".


 In your reference:  "Under India's clinical guidelines for coronavirus treatment, hydroxychloroquine can be administered, but only to patients "with severe disease and requiring ICU management"

 Why wait if its a cure?  Give it to every citizen ASAP.  Get that production up.




Sorry that is garbage argument and this is why - The first thing the Indian Nationalist prime minister did - He is called India's Trump BTW is order higher production and stop all exports regardless of profit.
However in a country of a 1.1 billion people you'd have to produce nearly 300 million doses a month to do anything near what you suggest. India was likely the worlds largest manufacturer before the pandemic (or 2nd for that matter), but even so, they cant make infinite doses available at the whim of anyone and everyone.

I spoke to my mom about this last 2 months ago - when that restriction was in place - no idea if it has loosened now or not. I know Trump and Modi discussed exporting a few weeks ago - No idea if it has ramped up, exports have increased but domestic supply reduced etc etc.

Sorry Karen, the zit still seems to be there and its got some lies flying around it.

Oh OK You didn't disavow Greta Von Doomberg, you never vowed her. I'm sure she'll send a "How dare you" your way for that. Just make sure it also doesn;t start lying around that zit.

Cool.
Srinath

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 16:26:18



Sorry that is garbage argument and this is why - The first thing the Indian Nationalist prime minister did - He is called India's Trump BTW is order higher production and stop all exports regardless of profit."


 You indicated the supply shortage in the previous post.  I'm just saying it's not a "proven cure".  Your defense to this is things like CNN is trash, Black Doctors are following HIPPA by declaring their religious Deity will end Facebook, and claiming I support Greta without evidence (since it doesn't exist).

 Why didn't you start with real evidence instead of this HIPPA misdirection, changing the word "proof" into "advice",  defending Immanuel's religious statements as HIPPA, and telling me Mainstream News is junk, which I have said for years?
 


Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 16:35:59

I've not done anything you're claiming I did.

This is the whole soy puXsy, zit picking nature eegore, where you want to know what format the $$$ from Trump hotels was delivered to the treasury ...

If your soy puxsy still has that zit - now a lot of flies are flying around it, feel free to pick it to your hearts content ...

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 07/31/20 at 17:12:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw1IeI7Lrz4

That's the Henry Ford institute - not a black cameroonian doctor, does soy Pusxy zit feel better now ??? Or worse ???

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 07/31/20 at 19:56:42

"I've not done anything you're claiming I did."

- Misrepresenting HIPPA:

"I can tell my doctor (chiropractor) That my wife and son are coming in ~4, but he cant tell me if they were there earlier that day."



 Black Doctors are following HIPPA by declaring their religious Deity will end Facebook:

"By saying Jesus will strike you down - That doctor is clearly showing her religious faith as well as following HIPAA."


- Claiming I support Greta without evidence:

"Yea yea I know you disavowed her."



- Things like CNN are trash:

"These "news" agencies are quacks peddling propaganda and killing actual news that wont fit their angle"


 I am saying that the reference JoG provided as fact is not factual.  This doctor is not providing a "cure" for 300 patients until she can provide evidence.  All this Greta, HIPPA, CNN, it's all you defending something I never said.  I never said hydroxychloroquine won't work.  I never said that.  I never said anything like that.

 

"That's the Henry Ford institute - not a black cameroonian doctor, does soy Pusxy zit feel better now ??? Or worse ???"

 Why are you still pretending I said Hydroxychloroquine is not a potential prophylactic or treatment?  Just to keep arguing for fun or do you really think everyone is ignoring when I say things like:

"I think hydroxychloroquine can work, especially the zinc mix"


 Why would you keep rambling on about hydroxychloroquine from reputable sources?  I am talking about the content of this post, where JoG presents a doctor that claims she has "Cured" SARS-COV-2 with hydroxychloroquine.  Not "advice" a "cure".

 She has no proof of this.  That's the entirety of that zit.
 

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 08/01/20 at 05:47:57


5F7F7D75687F1A0 wrote:
 [color=#ff00ff]Why would you keep rambling on about hydroxychloroquine from reputable sources? [/color] I am talking about the content of this post, where JoG presents a doctor that claims she has "Cured" SARS-COV-2 with hydroxychloroquine.  Not "advice" a "cure".

 She has no proof of this.  That's the entirety of that zit.
 




Doctor says she's cured it in 350 high risk patients, and instead of asking her for all data allowable under HIPPA you lefty numbnuts berate and decide to bash her based on her religious beliefs.
Doctos also says Chris Cuomo has taken it from the symptoms he described and she says I'll prove it - do urine test - crickets.
Basically the "cure" is claimed as not a cure cos she said religious and tribal belief based crap on her facebook page and the rich and famous have used it when they liked it while still berating people for even thinking about it.
Sounds like the classic hypocrisy of the leftie twats in the media.

You want Proof - Ask that doctor for HIPPA allowed patient info, and insisit Chris Cuomo get a urine test for HCQ byproducts - failing those - we have to wait for the election.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by MnSpring on 08/01/20 at 08:07:21


6444464E5344210 wrote:
  ...  If replacing words is how we do this then I will replace the word "owe" with the word "loaned".  
So now instead of:  I "owe" you money.  It is now: I "gave" you money.  ...

You have done that many times !
(You want 'Proof', just follow tt's instructions)
As for changing. You just 'CHANGED', the word, 'loaned', with 'gave', two absolutely different meanings in that context.
As a example of changing ONE word, in a argument.


Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 08/01/20 at 10:58:37


2E0D3013110A0D04630 wrote:
[quote author=6444464E5344210 link=1595986743/15#27 date=1596219776]   ...  If replacing words is how we do this then I will replace the word "owe" with the word "loaned".  
So now instead of:  I "owe" you money.  It is now: I "gave" you money.  ...

You have done that many times !
(You want 'Proof', just follow tt's instructions)
As for changing. You just 'CHANGED', the word, 'loaned', with 'gave', two absolutely different meanings in that context.
As a example of changing ONE word, in a argument.

[/quote]



Yea and the fool when confronted with news that Trump is giving 200K a yr from his hotel to the treasury from foreign visitors staying (which he is allowed to keep because its a $ for goods type transaction) from a libtard rag like WAPO etc, would nit pick on how he gave it, when it was given in what format ... and when I say any govt agency will take $$$ in any form would immediately latch onto that and grint that zit to pulp ...
Same as - I say my chiropractor who employes non medical trained professionals to run front desk wont tell me if my family was there or not due to hippa ... Oooo That doesn't matter they still ahve to follow hippa because of this zit and that zit ... like WTF, They're a low cost chiropractic chain, I can call my wife to see if she was there already, and how the F does it matter ... like it has anything to do with HCQ posted ...

Intellectually dishonest and deflections distractions and denials and pages and pages of crap with no point whatsoever ... relating to the original point or any point in general ...
Classic filling the air with noise. Like all the libtard fools in congress ...

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 08/01/20 at 19:08:30


"Doctor says she's cured it in 350 high risk patients, and instead of asking her for all data allowable under HIPPA you lefty numbnuts berate and decide to bash her based on her religious beliefs."

 I don't know what "lefty numbnuts" do, but her practice has been asked for official counts by multiple accreditation programs, and even her supporters.

 No useable data.  

 Also when making these claims, any doctor should know their words mean nothing without proof.  Literally their entire profession is about providing tangible results.  


 This is why I separated the logistic and empirical evidence from my personal opinion.  She provides no proof.

 My personal opinion is a doctor that thinks humans have sex with demons, our government is Reptiles, and thinks Jesus will avenger her, is not a doctor I would go to.  But my opinion or anyone else's means nothing if she has 300 "cured" patients.  

 So why won't she just provide the proof?

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 08/01/20 at 19:22:31

"I say my chiropractor who employes non medical trained professionals to run front desk wont tell me if my family was there or not due to hippa ... Oooo That doesn't matter they still ahve to follow hippa because of this zit and that zit ... like WTF, They're a low cost chiropractic chain, I can call my wife to see if she was there already, and how the F does it matter ... like it has anything to do with HCQ posted …"


 You brought HIPPA up.  You did that.  Now you want to pretend I made it part of the conversation.  You said:

"That doctor is clearly showing her religious faith as well as following HIPAA."

 This is very clearly wrong.  I should ignore that for what reason?  Calling it a "zit" is just your way of downplaying that you make a completely incorrect statement as a defense.  

 Lets look at this:

"You really will argue about anything, huh?" - rocknthehawk

"Only when you're wrong -"  - srinath

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1595954676/30#30


 Imagine that.  You won't accept "wrong" statements.  Why should we?





"relating to the original point or any point in general"

 I keep re-typing my original point, don't pretend I haven't repeatedly attempted to redirect this to the original post, here are 5 examples:

1 - But JoG's article is pro-hydroxychloroquine, so we should accept it as fact, ignoring the missing parts like actual patients.

2 - My point is people choose to ignore major gaps, like cured patients, in articles they like.  

3 - Continuing to pretend I ever said hydroxychloroquine should not ever be taken is getting you nowhere.  I am saying your knowledge of someone who knows someone does not meet clinical standards of "proof".  A doctor with no patient data doesn;t meet the clinical standard of "proof".

4 - Why would you keep rambling on about hydroxychloroquine from reputable sources?  I am talking about the content of this post, where JoG presents a doctor that claims she has "Cured" SARS-COV-2 with hydroxychloroquine.  Not "advice" a "cure".


Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 08/02/20 at 07:00:51

Who is asking for patient info ? Has she refused to provide that info ?
Or was the info provided and they're "analysing it" till november.

The other white lady got fired - did they ask her for patient info and was that before or after firing her ?

I brought up HIPPA because my doctor tells me they cant give me some info due to HIPPA - and hippa imposes restrictions like patient data, maybe they're stretching it to cover more than it should - now that you know more than I do - let me then ask you - what cant be released - PII cant be - that I know. Can diagnosis and treatment also be restricted if PII is redacted ?

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/02/20 at 19:06:23

https://aapsonline.org/more-evidence-presented-for-why-hydroxychloroquine-should-be-made-available-in-a-new-court-filing-by-aaps/



https://aapsonline.org/more-evidence-presented-for-why-hydroxychloroquine-should-be-made-available-in-a-new-court-filing-by-aaps/

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 08/02/20 at 22:26:31


 This part was interesting:

Defendants make an incorrect argument that their conduct is somehow “excepted by statute from judicial review” under the Administrative Procedure Act (APA). Exemptions from judicial review are rare and narrowly construed, but Defendants insist that everything they have done as alleged by AAPS is someone outside the scope of accountability in court under the APA.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by Eegore on 08/02/20 at 22:57:19

"Who is asking for patient info ?"
 
 I answered that already.

"Has she refused to provide that info ?"

 Yes.  


"The other white lady got fired - did they ask her for patient info and was that before or after firing her ?"

 No idea.  She also did not provide a claim that she "cured" anyone so asking her for something she never claimed would be inappropriate.

 If she was fired for her opinion, that I think is wrong.  I don't care much for a concierge physician who treats less than 150 people a year claiming they are an ED doctor, but that shouldn't influence her getting fired either.  To be clear, I agree with you on this, but I'm sure the focus will be on my accurate critique of her technical job description instead of just acknowledging I agree.



"I brought up HIPPA because my doctor tells me they cant give me some info due to HIPPA - and hippa imposes restrictions like patient data, maybe they're stretching it to cover more than it should - now that you know more than I do - let me then ask you - what cant be released - PII cant be - that I know. Can diagnosis and treatment also be restricted if PII is redacted ?"

 Then why complain if I discuss HIPAA in a thread if you bring it up?  Also I see for some reason my converter is spelling it wrong.  It's HIPAA for accurate anagram spelling.


 
"Can diagnosis and treatment also be restricted if PII is redacted ?"

 I imagine so but there to my knowledge isn't a lot of reasons to withhold diagnosis/treatment when transferring information across providers.  Basically HIPAA is two sets of standards: Privacy of Individually Identifiable Health Information, and the Security process of enforcing it.  

 Now from a clinical standard, public release of information has a process and that process is typically making the PHI go away, and it is usually done for business, study or confirmation purposes.  When a regular guy asks for patient information, there is no reason to pass that on, that guy isn't a medical provider, insurance, or approved business etc.  So standard practice would be to deny him information.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/03/20 at 02:01:29

I think what it boils down to is
Several of us believe HCQ was maligned BECAUSE Trump said it was good
And
HCQ used early on in the fight is Yugely helpful.
Speaking for myself, I have exactly Zero faith in the counterclaims. I've seen enough lies.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 08/03/20 at 04:41:57

Like I said HCQ isn't gonna cure anyone till the election.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: HydroWhat? It dont WORK?
Post by srinath on 08/03/20 at 08:03:26

OK different doctor and he provided the data early on to someone who came asking for it - where are those results ???? Nope, wait till the election.

The first 4 mins tell you everything you need to know about why doctors dont want to give the patient data - and oddly this doctor also in Texas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Jhq-zGV88


Ooooo watch minutes 4 through the end to see what a crap weasel Fauci is. And the coolest part - The guy who's questioning him is actually letting him talk, not reclaiming their time as soon as Barr started speaking.

Cool.
Srinath.

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