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Message started by Eegore on 07/28/20 at 09:44:36

Title: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 07/28/20 at 09:44:36

 "Breakaway" glass bottles are movie props, typically made from sugar but the ones I purchase now are a plastic/resin mix so we can fill them with fluid.

 I just had a purchase order go through for about 800 of them which means one thing: Molotov cocktails.  

 We use a mix of hydrogen peroxide or diluted ammonia to create an odor to safely replicate a chemical fuel.  This, for me, has been used for one purpose and that is for crowd control exercises.  These breakaways allow us to chuck at full force a bottle into law enforcement personnel at any distance.

 So here comes an ethics issue.  There is a huge chance this is going to be part of a Federal training process where my team simulates public unrest.  We have done this a number of times before, we did a ton of it after the Ukraine uprisings happened.  Given the recent "unconstitutional" arrests and processing of protesters is it more ethical to refuse to conduct the training based off of potential misuse, or is it better to try to improve law enforcement skills?

 I for one have seen both outcomes, but it requires some high level and consistent training.

   

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/20 at 10:38:00

Turnining away from anything because of the Potential for Misuse is , IMO, a gutless way of making decisions,
EVERYHTING can be misused, And using that
Ohh, But what IF someone Did This?
as an excuse to NOT do something that has merit, is not just gutless,, its also smacks of  what I like to call
Prior Restraint,,

Lets dont train,, because someone might learn something and use it inappropriately,,
Well,, TRaining might just save some good guys from a serious injury or death, too,,
AND,, Now heres the kikker,,

WE have Laws to punish those who do the wrong thing,,
Maybe enforce those laws instead of inhibit others,,
So,, Me to you?

Go toss your candy glass,, and have fun,,


Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 07/28/20 at 15:58:35


 The concern is bad training not one guy doing one thing one time.  

 I can be a good bad guy all day long, but if the training reflects poor technique or blatant violations of our rights, am I facilitating personal protection or illegal activity?

 It's about the overall method that influences the actions of the trained group as a whole.  Not the one guy.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/20 at 16:00:05

Are you saying youre concerned that the training could be teaching
Good Guys
to do what they really should not be doing?

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 07/28/20 at 16:11:40


"Are you saying youre concerned that the training could be teaching
Good Guys
to do what they really should not be doing?
"

 

 Yeah pretty much.  I've seen it before, where the method is overkill, or flat out illegal.

 But I have also seen garbage where the training is not going to help anyone.

 In this case I'm not sure yet, but it's bound to be a Federal program training to interact with protesters.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by philthymike on 07/28/20 at 16:23:01

It wasn't that long ago we as a nation were prepared to nuke the Communists back to the stone age.
Now they're running amok in our cities saying kill the police.

My training program is simple. Shoot 1st ask questions later.
These are NOT peaceful protesters they are violent Communists that we spent 50 years fighting against. And they want to KILL cops.

So what's the discussion about? Shoot em on sight.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 07/28/20 at 16:44:18


"So what's the discussion about? Shoot em on sight."

 Throwing peaceful protesters into vans because they match profiles and putting a bullet in the head of that person just to find out that the "shoot and ask later training" just killed a dumb, but peaceful college kid.

 Good training is paramount to good policing.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by philthymike on 07/28/20 at 16:48:48

They've already expressed their intent to kill cops.
At this point it's a simple matter of self defense on the cops part.

The threat is established you can't reasonably expect them to handle the jackasses with kid gloves now

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/20 at 17:03:03


5E7E7C74697E1B0 wrote:
"Are you saying youre concerned that the training could be teaching
Good Guys
to do what they really should not be doing?
"

 

 Yeah pretty much.  I've seen it before, where the method is overkill, or flat out illegal.

 But I have also seen garbage where the training is not going to help anyone.

 In this case I'm not sure yet, but it's bound to be a Federal program training to interact with protesters.



Well, YOuve got the advantage of seeing things Ive never seen,, so I have no way to advise,,
I would ask

What PROTECTED behaviors are the Peaceful Protesters engaging in that the Oppressive Cops are punishing them for?

Is there a way to engage in a training program that would mitigate the threats to the cops while not takng away from the rights of the Peaceful Protesters,,?


And when I Say peaceful protesters,, I hope you know thats in air quotes,, and those protesters are throwing fire bombs and crap,, then as far as Im concerned,, Once a Protester steps from Peaceful to doing damage,,
That murfugger just qualified as a bullet sponge,,
Id ya wanna fight,, OKAY,, lets Fight,, and I KNOW who wins,,

So much
Fine Line to consider
Typing it out is prohibitive
Im not wanting to see Americans who have a legitimate complaint that government wont address be mistreated
Im also no okay with people using a Protest
as Cover for hurting people and destroying the lives of people,, wrecking thie lifes work,

Its tme this stiupid crap stop,

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by philthymike on 07/28/20 at 17:23:34

None of it is about actual justice anymore. Once the antifa terrorists got involved it became purely political. And now it's out of control and the innocent bystanders getting burned out of their homes and having their lives destroyed deserve justice too now. And we're supposed to be keeping them safe.

It's a mob of destructive and deadly terrorists that are politically motivated and who loudly call for the murder of police officers.
This delusion about peaceful protesters has been gone awhile now. The media is beating a dead horse.
In the real world there are consequences. If you attack someone youve threatened to kill then that person has the right to defend themselves.
It's a bad idea. People know better. Trying to juxtapose it as something it isn't doesn't change the facts.

And if it's just dumb college kids how did they get that dumb? They're in college for crying out loud.
They aren't that dumb that they don't understand the consequences of their actions. They know what they're doing. But more than likely they don't know the real reason they have been indoctrinated into doing it.
They've been brainwashed into believing it's a good cause but really. They are pawns in a much bigger game and don't have a clue.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by MnSpring on 07/28/20 at 17:48:07


123230382532570 wrote:
 ...
 Not the one guy.

So why has one, really bad, football player caused such a stew.
And has received millions in compensation for branding ?


Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by eau de sauvage on 07/28/20 at 18:19:53

Let me get this straight, you're coming down to this festering sh!thole of a right wing racist scumbag troll forum to inquire about an 'ethics' issue?

ROFL

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 07/28/20 at 19:58:35


 "What PROTECTED behaviors are the Peaceful Protesters engaging in that the Oppressive Cops are punishing them for? "


 The three from the Mom's group that were arrested with no Miranda readings, I saw the Vector Bodycam footage, and were detained, taken into official custody, placed into medical care with no officers present and then taken back into custody to be released a day later with no charges.  This is effectively re-arresting someone for the same crime, then not charging them with a crime.

 There's a few more like this, and similar profiling ones that are more of a grey area.  

 Again the question isn't what one guy does, it's what the education and practice as a whole is teaching law enforcement to do.  If it is to gun down 30 people to get the one that threw a molotov, there are some issues there, especially given the modern tools afforded especially to clandestine Federal programs.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 07/28/20 at 20:02:49


"So why has one, really bad, football player caused such a stew.
And has received millions in compensation for branding ?"


 Who's rights did he violate?

 When a football player is trained in football camp that he is not violating people's Constitutional rights and he actually is, or the football camp otherwise develops methods of training designed specifically to maim or kill other players, staff or audience members at a game it will relate to my topic.

 If I am called in to teach football players how to crush the trachea of other players under the facemask and develop a consistent evaluation tool based off of how many players they kill, I think that it might be a bit unethical for me to engage in that contract.  

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 07/28/20 at 20:03:36


"Let me get this straight, you're coming down to this festering sh!thole of a right wing racist scumbag troll forum to inquire about an 'ethics' issue?"

 Yeah it's called being open to other's ideas.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 07/29/20 at 03:47:50


5777757D6077120 wrote:
 "Breakaway" glass bottles are movie props, typically made from sugar but the ones I purchase now are a plastic/resin mix so we can fill them with fluid.

 I just had a purchase order go through for about 800 of them which means one thing: Molotov cocktails.  

 We use a mix of hydrogen peroxide or diluted ammonia to create an odor to safely replicate a chemical fuel.  This, for me, has been used for one purpose and that is for crowd control exercises.  These breakaways allow us to chuck at full force a bottle into law enforcement personnel at any distance.

 So here comes an ethics issue.  There is a huge chance this is going to be part of a Federal training process where my team simulates public unrest.  We have done this a number of times before, we did a ton of it after the Ukraine uprisings happened.  Given the recent "unconstitutional" arrests and processing of protesters is it more ethical to refuse to conduct the training based off of potential misuse, or is it better to try to improve law enforcement skills?

 I for one have seen both outcomes, but it requires some high level and consistent training.

   





Oooo Who ordered 800 of em ? I thought they are just beer bottled with gar and a rag stuffed in em and light up and thrown - No ? They order them ? The freaking thing sounds $$$ who is buying these are where is it going ?
Sorry I didn't read any of the threads in the post.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by eau de sauvage on 07/29/20 at 05:08:22

 Yeah it's called being open to other's ideas.

Except there's no 'ideas' here, you know what you're gonna get before you ask, surely. Take JoG for example, with him you know he's just going to repeat what ever Trump says. For example the hydro what, thread he started, I mean that comes right after Trump posts the video of the voodoo sex with demons 'respected' doctor. He finds some bullshit somewhere and pretends that it's a fact. You've been down that road so many times.

Are you ever surprised about anything here. All you need to do is tune into Fox news or Brietbart, or read their comments sections and you know already what you're going to get here. You know this.

As for srinath, you know you're just going to get rabid racist cryptic nonsense, with Mn, you're just going to get something like a cross between Tucker Carlson and Hannity, with a bit of extra crazy and overly elaborate mark up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/america-is-suffering-trump-offers-them-a-doctor-who-warns-of-sex-with-demons/2020/07/28/460fea3e-d0fb-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html?

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Serowbot on 07/29/20 at 07:11:33

If these concerns are serious,.. I think it's time to take them to a bigger forum than an orphaned motorcycle site.
Questionable actions on the public behalf deserve more.
If you have doubts,.. I'm sure most of America would too.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 07/29/20 at 07:15:52


"Oooo Who ordered 800 of em ? I thought they are just beer bottled with gar and a rag stuffed in em and light up and thrown - No ? They order them ? The freaking thing sounds $$$ who is buying these are where is it going ?
Sorry I didn't read any of the threads in the post
."


 When you decide to read the posts you will find out how far off your comment is.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 07/29/20 at 07:18:56


"If these concerns are serious,.. I think it's time to take them to a bigger forum than an orphaned motorcycle site.
Questionable actions on the public behalf deserve more.
If you have doubts,.. I'm sure most of America would too.
"

 I am active on 10 forums, 2 are law enforcement only, 3 are military only.

 The decision will be made among the management team, but conversation and ideas are still conversation and ideas.  I prefer not to communicate in a vacuum.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by MnSpring on 07/29/20 at 11:36:00


20322625323436530 wrote:
... with Mn, you're just going to get something like a cross between Tucker Carlson and Hannity

Thank you so much !!!!!!!!!!

Always happy to be linked to intelligent people that have a brain and can use it.

Rather than someone,
who seemingly was dropped on their head,
somewhere in the outback !

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by MnSpring on 07/29/20 at 11:44:44


293F28352D38352E5A0 wrote:
...
If you have doubts,.. I'm sure most of America would too.

Most of  the Citizens of America.
(not the dead people, or the Illegal sheapol)
Have LOTS of questions !!!

And this, "... an orphaned motorcycle site ..." is just a tiny spillover

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/29/20 at 12:11:18


7E6C787B6C6A680D0 wrote:
 Yeah it's called being open to other's ideas.

Except there's no 'ideas' here, you know what you're gonna get before you ask, surely. Take JoG for example, with him you know he's just going to repeat what ever Trump says. For example the hydro what, thread he started, I mean that comes right after Trump posts the video of the voodoo sex with demons 'respected' doctor. He finds some bullshit somewhere and pretends that it's a fact. You've been down that road so many times.

Are you ever surprised about anything here. All you need to do is tune into Fox news or Brietbart, or read their comments sections and you know already what you're going to get here. You know this.

As for srinath, you know you're just going to get rabid racist cryptic nonsense, with Mn, you're just going to get something like a cross between Tucker Carlson and Hannity, with a bit of extra crazy and overly elaborate mark up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/america-is-suffering-trump-offers-them-a-doctor-who-warns-of-sex-with-demons/2020/07/28/460fea3e-d0fb-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html?



Youre so fuloshit,, You think Trump decides for me? No,, He decides for YOU,, everything he says is good
Isnt,,
Im in the Screw Masks crowd,, directly opposed to TRump,, so now what?

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Serowbot on 07/29/20 at 12:31:16


322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 wrote:
Im in the Screw Masks crowd,, directly opposed to TRump,, so now what?

Trump was the founding father of the "screw masks" cult... until just a couple of days ago.
...and he only "changed" because he was reading someone else's words from a prompter.  
These episodes of sanity Trump has are always prompted.
We all know it.

If masks don't help,... what should we be doing?
The other option would be to close down all non-essential business and lock down again.
...or do you suggest that 50,000 cases, and a 1,000 deaths per day are acceptable?
As we wait for a vaccine that you won't take?  
Have you tried Hydrocloriquine,.. or exorcism?...:-?

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/29/20 at 12:52:19

Wait! I thot whatever TRump said I was on board! I was only a mask wearer for a week,, then I saw enough bullshit to decalre bullshit,,
Trust me,, TRump doesnt tell me what to think,, I disagree with plenty he has done,, and I think he should do things hes not doing,, Unlike you lefties and Savior Obama,, You guys would believe anything he said and sagree with him regardless,, Necever saw such a buncha sycophants,,

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by rocknthehawk on 07/29/20 at 15:52:58


6A786C6F787E7C190 wrote:
 Yeah it's called being open to other's ideas.

Except there's no 'ideas' here, you know what you're gonna get before you ask, surely. Take JoG for example, with him you know he's just going to repeat what ever Trump says. For example the hydro what, thread he started, I mean that comes right after Trump posts the video of the voodoo sex with demons 'respected' doctor. He finds some bullshit somewhere and pretends that it's a fact. You've been down that road so many times.

Are you ever surprised about anything here. All you need to do is tune into Fox news or Brietbart, or read their comments sections and you know already what you're going to get here. You know this.

As for srinath, you know you're just going to get rabid racist cryptic nonsense, with Mn, you're just going to get something like a cross between Tucker Carlson and Hannity, with a bit of extra crazy and overly elaborate mark up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/america-is-suffering-trump-offers-them-a-doctor-who-warns-of-sex-with-demons/2020/07/28/460fea3e-d0fb-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html?


From someone that lurks but doesn't get involved in this echo chamber of nonsense/personal facebook for a handful of users, this is incredibly accurate.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 07/29/20 at 16:16:10


"Wait! I thot whatever TRump said I was on board! I was only a mask wearer for a week,, then I saw enough bullshit to decalre bullshit,,"


 Is the literal and not metaphorical, but actually believe this exists sex with "demons" as a diagnosis for a known medical condition bullsh!t?

 Are Reptile people running the world bullsh!t?

 Is declaring Jesus will shut down Facebook because they removed some content bullsh!t?

 Or is it only droplet contagion protocol that is bullsh!t?

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 07/29/20 at 16:18:36


"Except there's no 'ideas' here, you know what you're gonna get before you ask, surely. Take JoG for example, with him you know he's just going to repeat what ever Trump says."

 This is incorrect, JoG has specifically disagreed with Trump on things in the past.

   
"Are you ever surprised about anything here."

 Not really.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 07/29/20 at 16:50:40


574A464E4B514D404D44524E250 wrote:
[quote author=6A786C6F787E7C190 link=1595954676/15#16 date=1596024502]  Yeah it's called being open to other's ideas.

Except there's no 'ideas' here, you know what you're gonna get before you ask, surely. Take JoG for example, with him you know he's just going to repeat what ever Trump says. For example the hydro what, thread he started, I mean that comes right after Trump posts the video of the voodoo sex with demons 'respected' doctor. He finds some bullshit somewhere and pretends that it's a fact. You've been down that road so many times.

Are you ever surprised about anything here. All you need to do is tune into Fox news or Brietbart, or read their comments sections and you know already what you're going to get here. You know this.

As for srinath, you know you're just going to get rabid racist cryptic nonsense, with Mn, you're just going to get something like a cross between Tucker Carlson and Hannity, with a bit of extra crazy and overly elaborate mark up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/america-is-suffering-trump-offers-them-a-doctor-who-warns-of-sex-with-demons/2020/07/28/460fea3e-d0fb-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html?


From someone that lurks but doesn't get involved in this echo chamber of nonsense/personal facebook for a handful of users, this is incredibly accurate.
[/quote]



Wow WTF, You do know I am blacker than 90% of black people and what "race" would I be against ??? White ??? Black ???? Injun ??? Mexican ???

FFFFFFFF NO. Actions are what get the criticism. A white guy doing drugs and shitting on the streets in SFO gets my downvote as much as a black guy shooting up a convenience store, as much as a Mexican guy dealing drugs, as much as an Injun convenience store owner scamming people out of winning lottery tickets.

Actions are what I am against - Not people, color of their skin etc etc.
You're not an undocumented immigrant if you snuck across the border any more than you're an undocumented boyfriend when you're raping a girl, and you're not an undocumented bank teller when robbing a bank and not an undocumented heart surgeon when you stab someone to death.

Actions my friend, actions, not just words. Words are worthless. For example, no one who believed in Global warming buys a $12 million ocean front mansion on an Island ... Look up Obama, that fool has been pushing pure fiction in connection with global warming. Buy a $12 million mansion in sierras or in Colorado, and yes, I'll believe you, but Marthas Vineyard ??? You know you dont believe our own lies, why should I ????

I voted For Obama atleast once BTW. My first eligibility to vote in my life - was Obama and straight democrat ticket. Yes, I moved out of India before I had a right to vote and I was of the eligible age, and I didnt get citizenship in US till 2009.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/01/20 at 03:13:03


233E323A3F2539343930263A510 wrote:
[quote author=6A786C6F787E7C190 link=1595954676/15#16 date=1596024502]  Yeah it's called being open to other's ideas.

Except there's no 'ideas' here, you know what you're gonna get before you ask, surely. Take JoG for example, with him you know he's just going to repeat what ever Trump says. For example the hydro what, thread he started, I mean that comes right after Trump posts the video of the voodoo sex with demons 'respected' doctor. He finds some bullshit somewhere and pretends that it's a fact. You've been down that road so many times.

Are you ever surprised about anything here. All you need to do is tune into Fox news or Brietbart, or read their comments sections and you know already what you're going to get here. You know this.

As for srinath, you know you're just going to get rabid racist cryptic nonsense, with Mn, you're just going to get something like a cross between Tucker Carlson and Hannity, with a bit of extra crazy and overly elaborate mark up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/america-is-suffering-trump-offers-them-a-doctor-who-warns-of-sex-with-demons/2020/07/28/460fea3e-d0fb-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html?


From someone that lurks but doesn't get involved in this echo chamber of nonsense/personal facebook for a handful of users, this is incredibly accurate.
[/quote]

Well, @rocknthehawk your post makes me wading into this disgusting cesspit of a forum, worthwhile. Ironically Serowbot, calls this an orphan motorbike forum, with the idea that it's no big deal no one reads it. And it's true that in the wider scheme of things it's irrelevant and it may even keep some pests off the street.

However he misses the bigger picture which is this has got to be the only dedicated motorcycle forum on the inter webs that has a pointless gobshite forum filled with the worst of the worst of racist pig ignorant scumbag trolls, and what bothers me and what the mods don't seem to understand is that there are people like you who obviously come here because it's a dedicated S40 site and a pretty good one at that, and frankly it's embarrassing that a piece of sh!t which this forum is, even exists for innocent visitors to come across.

Compare and contrast with gstwin.com, which is sort of like a sister site which is an equally 30 dedicated bike, forum. It doesn't need a 'political' section. I think this site would be so much better and probably get more users if this excreta of a forum was removed. I mean who in their right mind would want to donate to a site that promotes the filth you see on here.

It's not like there's even any actual political discussion it's just full of troll sh!t, and nauseating racist brain dead cnuts. Why does it even exist.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by WebsterMark on 08/01/20 at 04:25:23


0626242C3126430 wrote:
"So what's the discussion about? Shoot em on sight."

 Throwing peaceful protesters into vans because they match profiles and putting a bullet in the head of that person just to find out that the "shoot and ask later training" just killed a dumb, but peaceful college kid.

 Good training is paramount to good policing.


Let me get this straight; you are in some type of leadership position that requires you travel to various places across the world where you have some input in policy decisions for whatever organization you work for which seems to involve the military in some capacity. Perhaps you are in the military, I’m not sure.

However, if you were in some type of position like that, surely you know these are not random kidnappings, but rather an effort to apprehend key suspects when they are away from a crowd of rioters who would certainly attempt to intervene and things could escalate.

You mentioned once before you’ve shown these threads to some type of class you were teaching, the exact details of which escape me as fodder for class discussion.

So, either this moral quandary you say you are having is a manipulative attempt to create feedback from this forum so you can use it for this class....or...... you do not really have a position as you’ve hinted at.....or.....you do have such a position and are foolishly relaying events that should remain private within your organization.



Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 08/01/20 at 05:56:00


6E5C5B4A4D5C4B74584B52390 wrote:
[quote author=0626242C3126430 link=1595954676/0#6 date=1595979858]

 Throwing peaceful protesters into vans because they match profiles and putting a bullet in the head of that person just to find out that the "shoot and ask later training" just killed a dumb, but peaceful college kid.

 




Oh they killed that guy ?
Or was it a different guy other than the 1 in portland ?
That portland one was them retrieving an undercover agent. I'm pretty sure, no one was yelling no get on the ground no nothing. They didn't say a word, they ignored all the bystanders who were filming and yelling "use your words" like some kinda school marm, they went straight to that guy, after not even being on the scene for seconds and let him get his hands behind his back and no one points their guns anywhere near that guy, and he mumbles a name "robert" - she says OK we'll get you out ? so why isn't he back "protesting" yet ? No, he was undercover.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 08/01/20 at 06:13:32


3F2D393A2D2B294C0 wrote:
Compare and contrast with gstwin.com, which is sort of like a sister site which is an equally 30 dedicated bike, forum. It doesn't need a 'political' section. I think this site would be so much better and probably get more users if this excreta of a forum was removed. I mean who in their right mind would want to donate to a site that promotes the filth you see on here.

It's not like there's even any actual political discussion it's just full of troll sh!t, and nauseating racist brain dead cnuts. Why does it even exist.




Oddly GSTwin does have a political section - Its called Tard Farm - except its not one where there is a lot of posts, and GS500 has been not made since 2009, and its not been sold new since 2012 and that forum is super super low activity nowadays - back in the heyday 2004-2008 it used to get a lot more posts and so did tard farm (including where members would cat call women - if they complained it would get deleted and even hand the user a ban, if they say its OK, good fun, it would get tossed in the TF) and I would sadly say, one more reason GSTwin is low involvement other than the bike being out of production is that it has no political branch that assumed a life of its own.
The closest I can compare to this forums political section was the XS650 one. And when they took that political part out, its overall traffic plummeted.
There was another diet based forum a pretty famous one (Mark's Daily Apple - a Keto diet millionaire author etc etc now) that was unmoderated cos the mods lost their password. A massive fight broke out between - get this vegans, fasters (intermittent vs long term), carnivores, non GMO's etc etc of all political angles on any thread anywhere in the forum. You post a recipe there would be someone bashing Trump 3 posts later and someone else bashing apples and a third one bashing black people. It was just hilarious. Traffic was massive and the owner monetized it well by selling the forum along with the related business line.
Of course we all were fed up and abandoned that forum and moved onto another forum only to face iron fisted moderation - you even open your mouth to say fasting, or GMO or whatever the heck they thought was ideal to do and you get warned. Traffic got to near 0 and the clueless clowns were very happy with that.
Anyway there is very very few fora that I'd say have no political section and good traffic - all 3 are audio related (that I know of) Audiokarma, diyaudio and a Klipsch run forum called community.klipsch.com - its owned and administered by Klipsch officially.
In short, cut off political and your traffic will plummet, that also means fewer passarounds creating new members and keeping old members cycling around.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/01/20 at 09:26:42

the gs500 was sold new in Australia till 2013.

Thing is this politic forum wouldn't bring any traffic, in fact the few people who were willing to participate in good faith have all gone, now it's just what  half a dozen people who have no interest in political discussion and just go to their favourite nut job right wing blog and pull a talking point out from that.

But this particular part of Suzuki Savage, these days can only do harm. And anyway your only preaching to each other because no one with half an ounce of sense bothers any longer. There's only threads by jog mn, you, mike and webster and they're all the same and you now just basically answer each other. Eegore, for some in explicable reason keeps throwing bits of meat in and you all swarm around like rabid sharks feasting on his pointless parries. It's all a bit sad.

Anyhoo, I'm just about to watch the FA cup final

http://www.jackstreams.com/livestreamhd/football/england-fa-cup-final/arsenal-vs-chelsea/20200801/1/

you'll need an adblocker.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 08/01/20 at 11:00:13


54465251464042270 wrote:
the gs500 was sold new in Australia till 2013.




Pick this zit also all you want ... last year GS500 was made is 2009 in spain. It may have been lying around in 13, even later ... sorry 09 was when it was made.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by rocknthehawk on 08/01/20 at 12:40:28


7B7A6166697C60080 wrote:
[quote author=54465251464042270 link=1595954676/30#33 date=1596299202]the gs500 was sold new in Australia till 2013.




Pick this zit also all you want ... last year GS500 was made is 2009 in spain. It may have been lying around in 13, even later ... sorry 09 was when it was made.

Cool.
Srinath.[/quote]


You really will argue about anything, huh?

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Serowbot on 08/01/20 at 13:22:38

Three points to the noob that just pwned you...  ;D [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 08/01/20 at 14:05:43


6F727E7673697578757C6A761D0 wrote:
[quote author=7B7A6166697C60080 link=1595954676/30#34 date=1596304813][quote author=54465251464042270 link=1595954676/30#33 date=1596299202]the gs500 was sold new in Australia till 2013.




Pick this zit also all you want ... last year GS500 was made is 2009 in spain. It may have been lying around in 13, even later ... sorry 09 was when it was made.

Cool.
Srinath.[/quote]


You really will argue about anything, huh?[/quote]



Only when you're wrong -
The GS500F was dropped from the UK Suzuki range in 2007 and from the US range after 2009 model year, but was still available in Australia[32] and Denmark. Per Wiki - .
Now I am in the US, I dont know australia, but well past 2014 new GS500's were around all made in spain.
Per the wiki, they moved production to Columbia
Now I didn't buy a GS off a dealer nor do I really know anyone who did after 12 and I will ask on the GSTwin site - But were the 12 and 13 and 14 bikes in US sold as 09's or was it sold as a 12 or whatever year ? I dont know.
Last bikes to ever come to the US left the spain factory in 2009. But did it leave with vin's for later years ? No idea.
I guess in Columbia they're still making em per the wiki (which is very very unreliable anyway especially on stuff like this - someone can by a bike in 2020 and say theirs is a 20 with no proof and they'd just list it) Suzuki's site did not have a listing for them past 09 or so maybe 10 as a left over 09.

Its stupid what suzuki did to the GS, they should have done the savage -> S40 move with the GS500 too.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 08/01/20 at 14:14:32


584E59445C49445F2B0 wrote:
Three points to the noob that just pwned you...  ;D [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]




3 cheers to your minime from me too sew baby.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/01/20 at 18:04:13

You've sort of proved my point srinath. I only ever said they were both 30 year old bikes which is basically the case, and the two forums are very similar in many ways. I can't speak as to what may have happened on forums way back then but my simple point that this part of suzuki savage does just harms the entire site for no good purpose is well proven.

I don't even get it, it's just scumbags arguing amongst themselves now, that any sane people have would know better than to wallow in this self serving pile of putrid bile.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 08/01/20 at 18:13:31

Dude I am an admin on GSTwin ... I am seeing the traffic die day by day.
If they're both 30yr old bikes ... Then you're proving my point that savage forum is alive and gstwin isn't - basically the biggest difference is this branch of the forum.

Believe it or not - 90% of the time, 90% of us aren't looking for tech, or mods or anything about bikes. I haven't looked at the tech forum in a few days ... I go on GSTwin cos I am a sort of keeper of the flame over there, but I make 1-2 posts a day there ... savage will get the same treatment if not for this sub forum.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/02/20 at 03:10:48

you're doing a Donald Trump and talking utter and obvious bullsh!te, if you're saying, which you are, that the suzuki savage forum is only the lively and well visited place it is because you have a half dozen, racist trolls doing a pretty good impersonation of people with mild brain damage, discussing some random crap from a nut job blog, in this sad 'political' forum that doesn't even discuss actual politics.

Yes the level of discourse is so intimidating that millions flock to the political forum for the latest witty repartee, yet they themselves are not worthy to participate.

Go to the Breitbart website and read the comment section, and this forum is a sad imitation of that. Have you not noticed that there's only 6 people who post here, and post the same garbage ad nauseam.


Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by eau de sauvage on 08/02/20 at 03:41:47

Lol, it's the 2021 GS500!

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h036uHzsSw[/media]



Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 08/02/20 at 06:51:06

Yea I've posted abut the 21 GS made in columbia as well.
I said US bikes were last made in 09. I suspect if aussies got made in spain bikes - 09 was the last of that too, If australia had columbian bikes - do you still get them ? Anyway I'm in the US, and I've seen them new as late as 13 or even after that, I suspected all were spain 09 models.

PS: Anecdotally someone on gstwin from australia said 2011 is the last his dealers parts fiches go to.

Cool.
Srinath

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by philthymike on 08/02/20 at 08:05:10


23312526313735500 wrote:
You've sort of proved my point srinath. I only ever said they were both 30 year old bikes which is basically the case, and the two forums are very similar in many ways. I can't speak as to what may have happened on forums way back then but my simple point that this part of suzuki savage does just harms the entire site for no good purpose is well proven.

I don't even get it, it's just scumbags arguing amongst themselves now, that any sane people have would know better than to wallow in this self serving pile of putrid bile.


Harms the entire site? So you want this part shutdown then?
Because you can't stand all the free speech and personal opinions you want this taken away to censor us?
Typical libtard cancel culture tactic. Are you planning to send complaints to the site's hosting provider?

What I think is more hurtful than anything else is your constant insults and labeling directed at the rest of us.
You add nothing to the topics, you don't engage in anything resembling discourse you just spew negativity at us and derail the topic.
If you were on my Xmas list I'd get you a label maker and a box of label tape. Then you could go out in the real world and label people there too.

If anyone here is a troll it is definitely YOU.
Go pass judgement elsewhere you lousy troll.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 08/02/20 at 08:20:03


465E5F5A425E4F5B5F5D53360 wrote:
If anyone here is a troll it is definitely YOU.
Go pass judgement elsewhere you lousy troll.




To this I'll add Eegore as well, just stand around asking dumb questions. Like Idiots used to do on a lot of other forums I was on. For example on a keto forum I post a hack to make a pizza buffet keto, vegan troll would post, are you at the pizza place now ???? I want proof - can you put the manager on ??? Stupid crap like that.
This is the classis chit they're pulling against AG Barr - ask stupid questions, then reclaim your time.
There's a saying for the darwin awards - so stupid chit, win stupid prizes (usually death).
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 08/02/20 at 08:49:47


382A3E3D2A2C2E4B0 wrote:
you're doing a Donald Trump and talking utter and obvious bullsh!te, if you're saying, which you are, that the suzuki savage forum is only the lively and well visited place it is because you have a half dozen, racist trolls doing a pretty good impersonation of people with mild brain damage, discussing some random crap from a nut job blog, in this sad 'political' forum that doesn't even discuss actual politics.

Yes the level of discourse is so intimidating that millions flock to the political forum for the latest witty repartee, yet they themselves are not worthy to participate.

Go to the Breitbart website and read the comment section, and this forum is a sad imitation of that. Have you not noticed that there's only 6 people who post here, and post the same garbage ad nauseam.




Here is proof that this is a unch of gobshitte ...

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=usersrecentposts;username=322F232B2E3428252821372B400

That is your own side's Rocknthehawk -

New poster - in 102 days made 3 posts - 1 on 7/14 - a 1 liner in a build thread. 2 in this branch of the forum.

There is only 1 side shutting down discussion - yours.

The classic example - you find a jar you cant open and you smash it on the floor. Yeaaaaa you toalded the jar. You certainly toalded it who's boss.
I'm pretty sure I was a libtard in my past iteration here - except - I was never either - I just side with common sense - I'm not truth over facts (what a retarded thing to say) nor am I facts over truth (that's not any better).

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by rocknthehawk on 08/02/20 at 11:48:08

Dont be such a clown Srin, most people ignore this section of the forum, I registered to get more information on my bike, but get bored and wade into this section once in a while.

Your 5000 posts have such little substance its pathetic, it's like 5 threads a day with a single link, or a paragraph of answers to questions nobody asked. I just come here for the humor of 3 dudes with the same views typing incoherent nonsense to jerk each other off. For someone that loves to rail against the other "side" it's impressive how sensitive you can be.

You're a pathetic keyboard warrior with nowhere to vent, so you pick an orphaned motorcycle forum to be reaffirmed that your "side" is always the right side, where you're never wrong and dont need to do any research.

Good luck with those zits my friend.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 08/02/20 at 11:53:13

"To this I'll add Eegore as well, just stand around asking dumb questions."

 Dumb questions like why do you wrongly claim HIPPA is being protected when a doctor says Jesus will shut down Facebook to avenge her?

 Or dumb questions like how does Trump's organization pay into donations because I am interested in topics like that, and I agreed with you multiple times?

 I agreed with you and you still complain.  

 Or is it dumb like when you gripe about post content being off-topic:

"I can call my wife to see if she was there already, and how the F does it matter ... like it has anything to do with HCQ posted …"

 But look at the direction you took this thread through your contributions:

"
The GS500F was dropped from the UK Suzuki range in 2007 and from the US range after 2009 model year, but was still available in Australia[32] and Denmark. Per Wiki -"


 

 Like that has anything to do with the ethics of training programs.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 08/02/20 at 12:11:26


"So, either this moral quandary you say you are having is a manipulative attempt to create feedback from this forum so you can use it for this class....or...... you do not really have a position as you’ve hinted at.....or.....you do have such a position and are foolishly relaying events that should remain private within your organization."

 My organization bought a ton of breakaway bottles an these are only used for one thing.  Public unrest exercises.  Historically most training programs develop the skills that are the desired outcome, but some, on occasion are flat out dangerous, or are creating a physical or emotional platform that facilitates an undesired outcome.  

 An example would be placing Tasers on the same side as an actual firearm.  Bad training, I would not contract out arrest subjects if that method was being used as it is proven to create a dangerous potential for negligent firearm discharge.

   As for the manipulative feedback, all the high school programs are suspended so they are currently not using this forum to work on bikes, or look at the Tall Table.

 As for the "foolishly relaying events that should remain private within your organization" that is untrue.  There are plenty of YouTube videos and national news coverage on the protests.  It is no secret that Federal agencies are involved, there is daily covered debate on this, there are public statements from various Federal programs.

 As such I am not disclosing anything confidential when I indicate that Federal agencies conduct training, and that training includes public unrest.  

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 08/02/20 at 14:17:19


312C20282D372B262B223428430 wrote:
I just come here for the humor of 3 dudes with the same views typing incoherent nonsense to jerk each other off.




Whatever floats your boat.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by MnSpring on 08/02/20 at 14:17:32

Did YOU just post here ??????


5F4D595A4D4B492C0 wrote:
 ...  just scumbags ...  


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Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by MnSpring on 08/02/20 at 14:50:27


362B272F2A302C212C25332F440 wrote:
...  I just come here for the humor ...  

So your view, on a subject, any subject, Is ?

Or are you here, just to do drive-by's like Bot ?

Good luck with those zits my friend.


Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by WebsterMark on 08/03/20 at 05:48:19


4666646C7166030 wrote:
"So, either this moral quandary you say you are having is a manipulative attempt to create feedback from this forum so you can use it for this class....or...... you do not really have a position as you’ve hinted at.....or.....you do have such a position and are foolishly relaying events that should remain private within your organization."

 My organization bought a ton of breakaway bottles an these are only used for one thing.  Public unrest exercises.  Historically most training programs develop the skills that are the desired outcome, but some, on occasion are flat out dangerous, or are creating a physical or emotional platform that facilitates an undesired outcome.  

 An example would be placing Tasers on the same side as an actual firearm.  Bad training, I would not contract out arrest subjects if that method was being used as it is proven to create a dangerous potential for negligent firearm discharge.

   As for the manipulative feedback, all the high school programs are suspended so they are currently not using this forum to work on bikes, or look at the Tall Table.

 As for the "foolishly relaying events that should remain private within your organization" that is untrue.  There are plenty of YouTube videos and national news coverage on the protests.  It is no secret that Federal agencies are involved, there is daily covered debate on this, there are public statements from various Federal programs.

 As such I am not disclosing anything confidential when I indicate that Federal agencies conduct training, and that training includes public unrest.  


I don’t think I said confidential, I think I said things you should know better than to disclose. Nothing good can come out of it. That’s all.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by MnSpring on 08/03/20 at 07:20:27


6747454D5047220 wrote:
... As for the manipulative feedback, all the high school programs are suspended so they are currently not using this forum to work on bikes, or look at the Tall Table ... 

WOW, that C-19 is really smart !
It knows to stay away from;
The ‘essential’ cashier, at a big box store, who see/is, in close contact with, 100’s of people a day.
A owner of a candy store, who can stack people in a store belly to azz hole,
A, ‘group’, of people, gathering in close proximity, to Steal and Destroy.
People buying food items where they know not how many people handled it.

YET, it will travel through electronic waves of information, like e-mails, Wi-Fi, Internet, so those people are protected !!!

I was not aware that “...all the high school programs are suspended…”
Could you give reference that, “... ALL the high school programs are suspended …”
I was informed, through the media/news/and High School Teachers, that only a handful of classes were suspended. As they all had to scramble, and obtain gobs more money, to teach remotely, via computer, using many of the various old, and newly created interfacing programs.

Gosh that c-19 is apparently so smart, that it will affect someone at home, in the garage, working on a S-40 and reading/sending e-mails, and looking at a forum !



Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by Eegore on 08/03/20 at 08:57:52

"I was not aware that “...all the high school programs are suspended…”
Could you give reference that, “... ALL the high school programs are suspended …”"


 Nitpick over the obvious much?

 To clarify:

 All high school supplemental programs in the school district specific to the geographical location that I facilitate a program in have been suspended.  I am only very specifically referencing the school district that I have a supplemental program with in exclusivity with the exemptions of all other programs of any kind in any location.

 This statement provides zero inference to any programs other than the one I am involved in and another specific to this one school district.  The one I am involved in is suspended.  I am only speaking of that one school district's programs.

 I am speaking of the specific use of this forum at my shop, that is part of only one specific program, I can not say this forum is not being used by high school students outside the scope of them currently not using my computers on my internet connection at my shop specifically.

 Webstermark was talking specific to my usage of the forum for high school kids in my program and not any other program.  So I am addressing the cooperative use of my facility  and supplemental program using this forum and only those, no other program, location, forum, etc.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by srinath on 08/03/20 at 09:23:35

Entire states have gone true online for schools and colleges.
We're hoping this means we get to do online college for my son starting in 21 and avoid the ridiculous crap fees ...
Sadly that is after the election and by then cure will be out, and we'll be out a lot of $$$ for worthless crap including food my dairy allergic kid cant eat.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Breakaway glass bottles
Post by MnSpring on 08/04/20 at 07:59:13

   
Wow, such a sense of humor.
To be able to say to me:

0B2B29213C2B4E0 wrote:
 Nitpick over the obvious much?

Before you posited the, C.Y.A., diatribe.

 
1C3C3E362B3C590 wrote:
... All high school supplemental programs in the school district specific to the geographical location that I facilitate a program in have been suspended.  I am only very specifically referencing the school district that I have a supplemental program with in exclusivity with the exemptions of all other programs of any kind in any location.  This statement provides zero inference to any programs other than the one I am involved in and another specific to this one school district.  The one I am involved in is suspended.  I am only speaking of that one school district's programs. I am speaking of the specific use of this forum at my shop, that is part of only one specific program, I can not say this forum is not being used by high school students outside the scope of them currently not using my computers on my internet connection at my shop specifically.  Webstermark was talking specific to my usage of the forum for high school kids in my program and not any other program.  So I am addressing the cooperative use of my facility  and supplemental program using this forum and only those, no other program, location, forum, etc.

           



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