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Title: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by WebsterMark on 03/25/20 at 05:09:13 I have not seen this mentioned anywhere so I’ll take full credit for this idea but should we be concerned that this is basically a roadmap for leftist controlling the planet by using the scare tactic of global warming in the way that perhaps we are completely over blown coronavirus? If the averages hold out, more people have died of the flu this year in the United States alone than have died of corona across the entire planet. That’s a meaningful statistic. Imagine this virus has started in a more open and civilized society like the US, UK, France, etc.. would the story have been “hey, there’s a new flu strain out and we’re working to develop a vaccine but in the meantime please follow these guidelines about handwashing and general hygiene and that the elderly and immune deficient are at particular risk.” Is it possible that’s all that would have happened? And all the deaths you heard about would have simply been shrugged off as a bad flu year? I don’t know the answer to that and I don’t think anyone really does right now. I believe it’s going to be a year or two before all the research is done on what this virus really did and didn’t do. Now, you could certainly point to all the doctors and virologist who are making very adamant statements about how dangerous this is, but remember, these people spend their entire lives wrapped up in this one topic. When they see a possible perfect perfect storm arriving, they have an opportunity to shine. I think it’s possible that is definitely playing an impact here. If you doubt that how many of you have local news stations that go into “storm mode” and schools close because of a half an inch of snow? |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/25/20 at 06:01:35 Dangerous Is a relative term. The cruise ship where people were sick and not allowed off for a couple of weeks looks like a laboratory for determining how dangerous it really is. 83%, no sicky... Of the 17% who tested positive No Symptoms.. So 8% developed symptoms.. It's NOT the dammed Plague.. Some Are more at risk than others.. THOSE people need to hide..for sure.. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by pg on 03/25/20 at 06:58:58 If the averages hold out, more people have died of the flu this year in the United States alone than have died of corona across the entire planet. That’s a meaningful statistic. Last year 56K died of the flu in the US, about 600K worldwide. As of today the US has had 802 deaths from the covid19. I say this is an orchestrated cluster... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by MnSpring on 03/25/20 at 08:33:25 " If the averages hold out, more people have died of the flu this year in the United States alone than have died of corona across the entire planet. That’s a meaningful statistic ..." Yep absolute fact, then coupled with: "... I say this is an orchestrated cluster..." The perfect excuse to: 1. Discredit Trump and blame him. 2. Get the tremendous, PORK/BS, bills slid under the table, to satisfy the AOC types. 3. To see how to manipulate the Citizens of this Nation into complete submission,by giving out draconian 'orders'. In Calf, (the Lock Down), if you are a Citizen of the USA, and you take a drive/walk out to a lake to watch the sunset. You will be PUNISHED, more than a Illegal Alien who snuck into this Country, who gets Free health care, food and housing. "... Violations of the order are punishable as a misdemeanor...." "...a fine of $1,000 or no more than six months in prison ..." "... California typically receives about 2,000 unemployment claims a day, that number has mushroomed to 80,000 requests on Tuesday alone ..." "...will accelerate America's slide into recession by crushing the economy in its most populous state...." As WW said: "... would the story have been “hey, there’s a new flu strain out and we’re working to develop a vaccine but in the meantime please follow these guidelines about handwashing and general hygiene and that the elderly and immune deficient are at particular risk.” ..." Purely TDS on a grand scale, for the above reasons 1, 2, 3, |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by WebsterMark on 03/25/20 at 10:36:03 https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by srinath on 03/25/20 at 10:45:45 This will be the on-ramp to socialized medicine. Never mind that socialized medicine has produced the worst outcomes. Imagine if we had that here, every sick and 1000 non sick per 1 sick would be out in the "free clinic" with a hand out. Fastest way to turn parts of US into a 3rd world slum filled with needy and "sick" who really aren't sick. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by MnSpring on 03/25/20 at 11:18:07 665453424554437C50435A310 wrote:
LA Times will NOT let me view. they say: "You’ve reached your free article limit.". But I found the info other places. Again see post 3. Items 1, 2, and 3 ! |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by Eegore on 03/26/20 at 05:37:27 So I have sat through about 20 evaluations on SARS-CoV-2 most of them in China. I just came back to the US and sat through guidance in CO and they are using the platform we wrote years ago to circumvent Federal testing on medical grade equipment and instead allow accredited laboratories take on that role. We plan to cut assessment testing from a month or more to days. That being said, we would not need to do that for a flu because we know a lot about flu strains. We do not know the R0 of COVID19 and the question is, should we treat it like a "flu" (which it isn't) and hope the R0 is similar, or treat it like an unknown virus? So far the infection rate is twice as high as the 1.3 new people for each patient for flu. "would the story have been “hey, there’s a new flu strain out and we’re working to develop a vaccine but in the meantime please follow these guidelines about handwashing and general hygiene and that the elderly and immune deficient are at particular risk.” I doubt it since it is not a flu and spreads faster, and puts people in respiratory distress at a much faster rate. Naming a virus type based off of geographical location is not only immoral, its very inaccurate. Now, you could certainly point to all the doctors and virologist who are making very adamant statements about how dangerous this is, but remember, these people spend their entire lives wrapped up in this one topic." My experience is people are saying how dangerous it could be. Taking the data from China and Italy (yes also the cruise ship) models are made. I've sat down with people who have opinions of varying severity potential, but at the end of the day they go off the numbers because their opinion is conjecture and conjecture kills people in events like these. "Is it possible that’s all that would have happened? And all the deaths you heard about would have simply been shrugged off as a bad flu year?" I doubt it. Getting the CDC to call a virus a flu when it is not confirmed a flu would be very difficult. The real issue would be explaining all the dead from lack of available vents. "bad flu year" would not accurately describe international shortages of a specific treatment type, unless one just wanted to call all those dead people flu victims. I think what would happen would be a huge backlash about "inaction" when people started seeing 3 month wait lists for an ICU bed. When massive delays in life-saving care started coming I don't think people would just brush that off and say "man the flu is bad this year". I think they would demand information on why hospitals ran out of equipment, supplies and staff so fast. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by MnSpring on 03/26/20 at 07:27:40 1030323A2730550 wrote:
Was that special flights back and forth? What precautions did you, and the China people take when meeting? What extortionary cleaning/disaffecting/filtering the air, occurred on those airplanes, for Most of the 20 meetings? "...should we treat it like a "flu" (which it isn't) ..." "...call a virus a flu when it is not confirmed a flu..." Both seasonal flu viruses (which include influenza A and influenza B viruses) and COVID-19 are contagious viruses that cause respiratory illness. I'll repeat, they are BOTH viruses. It is simply a mater of what, 'vaccine', will work/slowdown/eliminate ? "... I doubt it since it is not a flu ..." See Above ! "...spreads faster, and puts people in respiratory distress at a much faster rate. ..." That's simple. With the draconian, 'Lock Down, orders issued by some Cities/States. Then in those places the 'regular' flu numbers should go WAY down ! "... My experience is people are saying how dangerous it could be..." My experience is people saying: 'The Sky Is NOT, Falling". "... Getting the CDC to call a virus a flu when it is not confirmed a flu would be very difficult ..." That did not happen, before, it was discovered this is is a different strain? "... backlash about "inaction" when people started seeing 3 month wait lists for an ICU bed ..." Look carefully, the places where the the hospitals were overwhelmed, are places the people are, 'trained', to go to the ER for a paper cut. More, 'Sky Is Falling': "The new coronavirus causing COVID-19 has led to more than 454,000 illnesses and more than 20,550 deaths worldwide. For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)." Read it carefully, it is word crafted to suggest that the coronavirusis vary dangerous. When in facts says: The regular flu/influenza KILLED In The US, 23,000. When conoravirus Killed, IN THE WORLD, 22,500. World population 7.8 BILLION US Population 327 Million. So the US has only 4.2% of the WORLD population. Two groups of people are fueling the fire. One is the TDS affected. The others are blinded by not the sun, but all the money coming their way, to play with ! And some, have both reasons. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by Eegore on 03/26/20 at 08:05:53 "Was that special flights back and forth? What precautions did you, and the China people take when meeting? What extortionary cleaning/disaffecting/filtering the air, occurred on those airplanes, for Most of the 20 meetings?" Yes. Droplet contagion protocol. No extortion methods were used. Standard droplet contagion protocol was used. "That's simple. With the draconian, 'Lock Down, orders issued by some Cities/States. Then in those places the 'regular' flu numbers should go WAY down !" Its not simple, you are ignoring a lot of other factors. The flu virus reduces in part to seasonal change and people being around each other less. Even without these Draconian measures flu cases would go down. Then given the method flu spreads, which is not identical to SARS-CoV-2, having people stay together longer might actually prologue the "season" To get the outcome you are referring to we would also have to stop vaccinating for the flu. Now if the Draconian measures went into place in September, yes we would most likely see a reduction in flu cases, but it's more economically and socially viable to use the vaccine. I'm interested in knowing why one would think the DOT and cellphone metadata is incorrect with it's correlation of proximity to case number. "Look carefully, the places where the the hospitals were overwhelmed, are places the people are, 'trained', to go to the ER for a paper cut." I'd like to see evidence for this. People at an ED for a paper cut do not use ventilators, Oxivir or N95. Why are those in short supply due to paper cuts? They aren't. Theres a shortage of ventilators because of SARS-CoV-2, not people in emergency rooms. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by Eegore on 03/26/20 at 08:14:28 ""The new coronavirus causing COVID-19 has led to more than 454,000 illnesses and more than 20,550 deaths worldwide. For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)." In the exact same time frames? No. Similar? No. Same method of care? No. Same resource usage? No. Vaccine available? No. Read it carefully, it is word crafted to suggest that the coronavirusis vary dangerous. When in facts says: The regular flu/influenza KILLED In The US, 23,000. When conoravirus Killed, IN THE WORLD, 22,500. Nobody is saying that it is going to end man. They are saying it is causing a huge shortfall in care because there is no vaccine, and not enough specialized equipment to handle the cases per minute. Also there is no vaccine, so nobody knows how fast or long it can spread without one. But who cares since the flu killed more over a longer period of time under different treatment measures. World population 7.8 BILLION US Population 327 Million. So the US has only 4.2% of the WORLD population. The issue isn't world ending virus, its isolated shortfalls in medical treatment. Many of those people died because of the virus, and others because of no availability of care. Two groups of people are fueling the fire. One is the TDS affected. The others are blinded by not the sun, but all the money coming their way, to play with ! And some, have both reasons." And some want to save lives. What reason is there to let what happened in Italy happen in the US? What reasons do you have to think that the virus will be less lethal on US soil? |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by MnSpring on 03/26/20 at 08:58:35 5B7B79716C7B1E0 wrote:
Cheese and Rice !!! Italy is NOT the USA. Population in Italy is 5.5 times MORE Dense than the USA. People in the USA do NOT, Routinely and frequently Kiss each other on the cheek, multiple times, as a everyday greeting. Italy's average of residents is a Decade Older than the USA's. The, 'Sky is Falling', is reserved for the TDS affected. (No one is working on a vaccine for that LOL) And those that see great big gobs of money, to buy new toys with. Now, is it worthwhile to do what can be done to slow/stop. Yea ! BUT, that does NOT, include the FEAR mongering, Sky is falling, Draconian measures, which some-places FINE/JAIL/PUNISH Citizens of this Nation. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by Eegore on 03/26/20 at 09:17:42 "Cheese and Rice !!! Italy is NOT the USA." You mean how Italy said they aren't some third world village where their citizens eat bats? Parmesan and Rice the differences between the two. It is not identical, but to think places like NY are not at considerable risk because people don't kiss each other on the cheek is a poor assessment. There is no reason to believe we will have enough medical equipment to handle the current patient load. "Now, is it worthwhile to do what can be done to slow/stop. Yea ! BUT, that does NOT, include the FEAR mongering, Sky is falling, Draconian measures, which some-places FINE/JAIL/PUNISH Citizens of this Nation." I'm not aware of anyone being FINED, JAILED, or PUNISHED, can you reference this? I agree we should not over-react, but to say people going about their regular routines will be fine on US soil even though its a disaster in other places, is quite a gamble. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by MnSpring on 03/26/20 at 11:18:57 6F4F4D45584F2A0 wrote:
What was that, tt always said, about looking up something, for someone else ? |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by Eegore on 03/26/20 at 11:25:10 "What was that, tt always said, about looking up something, for someone else ?" I don't know and since TT is not part of this conversation I don't know why anything he has ever said is relevant in this thread. Can you reference what you mean or further clarify? I am not aware of people being FINED, or JAILED, or PUNISHED. Or are there more things TT put on here that you want to go over? I think he had things to say about deflection, or was that you? |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/26/20 at 18:57:09 I think E has done his best to type out real information. If I wanted to argue with him, I'd support my position if he wanted. That said I have seen reports of Arrests Cops literally boarding up business |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by Eegore on 03/26/20 at 20:02:55 I've not seen reports of arrests for the offense of not social distancing, but I have also not been in the US. I'd find it particularly interesting to see law enforcement physically grabbing nails and plywood to "board up" a business. This requires a court order, so finding the case number would be very easy as it would be public record. This would make national news easy. I am specifically talking about the US, not any other country, location or geographical entity beyond that of US borders and Territories. Where are these reports? |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/26/20 at 20:50:37 I read about it. I didn't bookmark it. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by Eegore on 03/26/20 at 21:07:16 I have 7 employees that research online/social media/case studies as their full-time job. Not one can find a reference for a single arrest or a single building be boarded up by police in the US in direct violation of Social Distancing orders. On the contrary there are many articles indicating they are avoiding arrests. There is definitely not one court order on public record yet. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by eau de sauvage on 03/26/20 at 21:35:32 Surely you can do better than five years? http://https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/five_day_forecast.png |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/26/20 at 21:52:43 Cops boarded up a Cincinnati bar Tuesday after it packed in some 40 people in defiance of a statewide order, the police said. Cops boarded up a Cincinnati bar Tuesday after it packed in some 40 people in defiance of a statewide order, the police said.(Cincinnati Police Department) Cops boarded up a Cincinnati bar Tuesday after it defied a statewide order to shutter amid the coronavirus outbreak, the police said. About 40 people were found gathered in the Queen City Lounge on Monday night, according to cops. “Not only are you putting the general public at risk, you’re putting our officers at risk," Cincinnati Assistant Police Chief Paul Neudigate said in a briefing with reporters. The bar, located on the city’s west side, was believed to be operating a full buffet, Neudigate said. [More on Coronavirus] FDNY says 170 of its members test positive for coronavirus » On Sunday, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine ordered all bars and restaurants to close down. RELATED GALLERY Mulhouse, France (Jean-Francois BADIAS/AP) 1 / 198 Coronavirus in pictures: How the world has reacted to the outbreak Cops said managers of the Queen City Lounge were warned multiple times before the establishment was shut down. The police said they also identified felony firearms violations at the bar. Latest coronavirus updates: Click here for our roundup of the most important developments from NYC and around the world. Tim Balk Tim Balk New York Daily News CONTACT Tim Balk covers breaking news and Broadway at the New York Daily News. He previously worked at Chicago magazine and can often be found racing subway cars on the Manhattan Bridge bike path. AD |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by Eegore on 03/27/20 at 03:48:56 Thanks. I like the picture of them standing there watching. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by MnSpring on 03/27/20 at 07:49:50 68484A425F482D0 wrote:
Apparently you never read, tt's constant comment. So, in the words that tt used often: ‘Don’t be so Lazy, and look it up for yourself’. Or was it: ‘Look it up for yourself, and don’t be so Lazy’ Or was it both. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by Eegore on 03/27/20 at 07:55:45 "Apparently you never read, tt's constant comment. So, in the words that tt used often: ‘Don’t be so Lazy, and look it up for yourself’. Or was it: ‘Look it up for yourself, and don’t be so Lazy’ Or was it both." I dont know and I don't consider any of that applicable to this thread since TT is not even here. How about we consider my stance since I am here, and providing reference for my positions, instead of deflecting, which has always been that I provide reference when I can, and when asked. I have never told you or anyone else to "look it up yourself", I actually document my research and encourage you to read it, which typically is not done. So can you clarify further? Or are you going to continue to bring up other unrelated comments from people who aren't here? It might be more efficient to just be forthright since historically you will start altering subject material when pressed to clarify or provide actual usable information. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by MnSpring on 03/27/20 at 08:12:28 7C5C5E564B5C390 wrote:
Are you offering to pay me, to provide you, reference for your, position ? Check it out yourself. When you say, 'you/your students', can not find something, means little in the way of facts and orders issued. Leaving now to finish off the 2nd batch of Maple Syrup made the old fashion way, boiling with wood. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by Eegore on 03/27/20 at 08:22:06 "Are you offering to pay me, to provide you, reference for your, position ?" Not in this case, but good deflection. I have before and you declined so the money went to charity, including Lancer's bike run. "When you say, 'you/your students', can not find something, means little in the way of facts and orders issued." I did not say students, I have none at this time. This is why I am also requesting clarification. Again you deflect. Clarification of your position requires no references, just an explanation. Instead of doing so you deflect by quoting unrelated comments from members who are not even here, instead of just being forthright and saying you don't want to. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/27/20 at 17:37:01 4D6D6F677A6D080 wrote:
Okay, THEY didn't DO the work. You think they weren't there to see to it getting done? Because Nobody got arrested, right? We didn't Get those jobs back Because The new jobs weren't Exactly the ones that left. I dropped twenty bucks somewhere And I found twenty bucks a day later But I didn't Get my twenty bucks back Because It was a Different Twenty dollar bill. Yeah, you're intellectually honest.. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by Eegore on 03/27/20 at 18:32:26 "Okay, THEY didn't DO the work. You think they weren't there to see to it getting done? Because Nobody got arrested, right? We didn't Get those jobs back Because The new jobs weren't Exactly the ones that left. I dropped twenty bucks somewhere And I found twenty bucks a day later But I didn't Get my twenty bucks back Because It was a Different Twenty dollar bill. Yeah, you're intellectually honest.." Every time with you. To clarify: Thank you. Thank you specifically for providing the reference as I had misunderstood communication on my end and believed no one I knew, employed, or associated with had information specific to law enforcement closing businesses or arresting US citizens in violation of social distancing orders. I was wrong. Thank you for providing that reference. The reference you provided comes with imagery. That imagery provides a static photograph of uniformed police observing a contractor placing what appears to be plywood on a business door. I like that image. |
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Title: Re: Roadmap for Global Warming 5 years from now Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/27/20 at 18:47:37 Yeah,, I'm accustomed to people playing crappy games. Sorry |
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