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Message started by raydawg on 12/16/19 at 16:23:26

Title: How.......????
Post by raydawg on 12/16/19 at 16:23:26

The best selling plane of all time, nothing comes close, and you screw it up......

That takes special talent, like Ivy League business school talent.....

A commercial aircraft is NOT a product like a automobile....

When they started trying to replicate the Japanese Auto Industry, in building aircraft, it was just a matter of time until this fancy, would bring about a catastrophic result......

Not patting myself on the back, but I told this to WAY UPPER management, when Boeing started looking over its shoulder, to see what AirBus was doing, as they were catching up to us in sales....we took our eyes off of our task, where they should have been....

We had the best, we didn't need to improve on it, by adding fluff, etc.....

Cut cost by being more proficient in the build, and passing it on to the customers.......listen to the shop floor, not some marketing guru, who struggles to even fill his car with gas, or get a lid off a jar....

They opted for fluff.

Boeing Statement Regarding 737 MAX Production

- Boeing suspends 737 MAX production starting in January due to certification moving into 2020

- Reduced production output enables prioritization of stored aircraft delivery

- No layoffs or furlough expected at this time

CHICAGO, Dec. 16, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- Safely returning the 737 MAX to service is our top priority. We know that the process of approving the 737 MAX's return to service, and of determining appropriate training requirements, must be extraordinarily thorough and robust, to ensure that our regulators, customers, and the flying public have confidence in the 737 MAX updates. As we have previously said, the FAA and global regulatory authorities determine the timeline for certification and return to service. We remain fully committed to supporting this process. It is our duty to ensure that every requirement is fulfilled, and every question from our regulators answered.

Throughout the grounding of the 737 MAX, Boeing has continued to build new airplanes and there are now approximately 400 airplanes in storage. We have previously stated that we would continually evaluate our production plans should the MAX grounding continue longer than we expected. As a result of this ongoing evaluation, we have decided to prioritize the delivery of stored aircraft and temporarily suspend production on the 737 program beginning next month.

We believe this decision is least disruptive to maintaining long-term production system and supply chain health. This decision is driven by a number of factors, including the extension of certification into 2020, the uncertainty about the timing and conditions of return to service and global training approvals, and the importance of ensuring that we can prioritize the delivery of stored aircraft. We will continue to assess our progress towards return to service milestones and make determinations about resuming production and deliveries accordingly.

During this time, it is our plan that affected employees will continue 737-related work, or be temporarily assigned to other teams in Puget Sound. As we have throughout the 737 MAX grounding, we will keep our customers, employees, and supply chain top of mind as we continue to assess appropriate actions. This will include efforts to sustain the gains in production system and supply chain quality and health made over the last many months.

We will provide financial information regarding the production suspension in connection with our 4Q19 earnings release in late January.

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Title: Re: How.......????
Post by norm92de on 12/16/19 at 20:51:11

Ray,
The MCAS system is a pretty screwed up "solution" to  the aerodynamic problems created by the new engines.

When some genius came up with a repetitive nose down trim design I have to try very hard to comprehend what in hell was going through his mind. When a single failure that cannot be stopped except by turning off the system causes the trim to go to the nose down limit. A pilot can of course prevent this scenario if he realizes in time what is going on. Clearly both crews involved failed.

Criminal negligence on the part of those responsible. Why is the CEO still there. He should have resigned in shame. :'(

Title: Re: How.......????
Post by raydawg on 12/17/19 at 07:45:28

The plane had no problem......it proved it could fly, it was the deceit that caught them.

Again, in their rush to beat AirBus, they pushed out the MAX

They didn't want to change configuration, so the pilots who held certifications to fly this 373 on their existing ticket, could just step into the cockpit and fly her off, no training or added cost to the airlines.....

They overlooked wheel swing, with the bigger motor, until it was too late.
They just shoved it forward with little rework to the stanchions.

If they had designed a new wing, etc, it would require new training and a amended certificate to build, all added cost to the plane they were heavily invested in, and to the buyer, as pilots are in short demand as it is.

This is where the brainies came up with a fix, or so they thought, already too far along in the project.

I understand its not just a computer program fix now, but routing issues, etc, that will cause the planes to be disassembled to repair/replace, if they even can....I don't know, just shop talk, etc....

They are already setting up early retirement buy outs, layoffs will come.
The biggest program Boeing is now paying for is NOT assembly, no.....but preservation, as these planes are now just sitting around, a vast area, and need to be maintained....lots more-wasted $$$$$$

They brought in a new guy to FIX the PR stuff, but Dennis is still there....

CLUELESS sorority boy who has no business in the field....

They were taught, its all about making money, and then, more of it.

Title: Re: How.......????
Post by SoC on 12/17/19 at 08:32:14

Well, as apt as it sounds in this scenerio, they did what in fabrication is refered to as "Engineering on the Fly". If it's something simple it can work, but often it creates more problems then it fixes. There usually is some aspect to the whole that gets overlooked in concentrating on the isoloated fix. Often when said and done, these soluions leave the feeling it would have been better to do what was necessary to correct the issue up front then try to work around it. Production schedules and thoughts of retooloing have a way of making patch fixes seem like a good idea.

I can give the example of the new Voodoo exhaust on my '03' Savage. When first installed it was way too loud and had a sort of whiny, lawn mower sound. Fix involved installing a short baffle at exit end of connector pipe between the header and muffler. Now it is quiter with a nice lower register rumble, great sound. But guess what the baffle redirects hot exhaust gas into the muffler close to the sides and it now causes the chrome on muffler to blue in the area where the baffle is inside it. The thought of bluing the chrome was overlooked when designing and fabricating the whole thing.

Title: Re: How.......????
Post by raydawg on 12/17/19 at 17:05:54

"Engineering on the Fly"

Arg....not a good practice when you are suppose to be flying.....  :-?

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