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Title: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by raydawg on 11/19/19 at 15:28:45 The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove. How odd...... The president’s overall approval has been tracking up since last Wednesday, the first day of the House impeachment hearings. It was at 46% on Wednesday morning, then rose to 48% Thursday and to 50% by Friday. All three nights in today’s survey now follow the highly-publicized hearings. Beginning to think it will all come down to, er....just guessing here, your opinion might be different, don't go moving out of the country just yet.... I've been wrong before, LOTS OF TIMES..... But I am thinking it might very well come down to voters, actually getting a say, in this Russia, Ukrainian, Stormy, etc..... stuff, but who knows, a smoking gun might still turn up, maybe in Epstein's will....???? :o |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by T And T Garage on 11/19/19 at 15:44:04 Well, it's pretty well known that rasmussen polls are heavily right leaning. According to Gallup - he's still at 41% approval with 57% disapproval. I think trump will get crushed by the democratic challenger in 2020 - no matter who it is. (if he makes it that far) |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/19 at 16:45:51 I think trump will get crushed by the democratic challenger in 2020 - no matter who it is. (if he makes it that far) Considering your batting average I'm just terrified.. Lol |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by Mavigogun on 11/19/19 at 16:47:01 Only a very small number of the citizenry are following the impeachment hearings- a fraction of a percent on the first day. Five Thirty Eight reports that people saying they are undecided about the President's guilt are even less likely to be tuning in. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/19 at 05:31:54 The fact no poll shows Trump in a free fall is the most telling. This is not going over well for the Democrats. Their TDS got the better of them. The colored lenses on their Trump glasses made them believe they were seeing something terrible but as more and more normal people look at it, they see nothing more than a giant case of what amounts to typical office politics. It's going so bad, they had to switch from the ridiculous quid pro quo phrase to the more ridiculous phrase of bribery. House Democrats are unbelievably stupid if they think normal Americans are going to associate Trump's phone call with the commonly accepted definition of bribery is. Here's what else. The senate trial that follows will require all these Democratic Senators running for President to sit there and stay quiet for 6 hours a day. Mitch will milk that trial for a month or more. All the while Biden will have the campaign trail to himself with the Alfred E Numan character. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by T And T Garage on 11/20/19 at 05:47:41 7F4D4A5B5C4D5A65495A43280 wrote:
That will indeed be interesting. Joe will be given enough rope to hang himself. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by Mavigogun on 11/20/19 at 06:00:48 Trump's base sold out a long time ago, doesn't see a road back. Lacking a clear path to rebuilding integrity, they'll go to the pride casino and gamble away our country to save face. Trump HAS been lower- remember back in 2017 when he stood cowed next to Putin and discounted patriots in favor of the Russian mob boss? That betrayal had him down to 36.5%. It seems that something around 4.8 percent of Trumpeters suffer from a short attention span- but are susceptible to occasional bouts of conscious. Trump will bath in a constant deluge of his repugnance for months leading up to the election. The electorate will be directly confronted by his character as he is asked in debate to account for his lies, undermining of our country. Folks like Mark won't be moved- at all -but around at least 5% will step away from the burning garbage pile seeking fresh air. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by raydawg on 11/20/19 at 14:39:55 Comparing President Barack Obama's and President Donald Trump's approval ratings in relation to the time they've been in office, both come pretty close of each other in their third year. According to Gallup, Obama's approval rating was 40 percent at the end of Aug 2011, while Trump's was 39 percent at the same time of year in 2019. In the following September, both presidents' 33rd month in office, Trump's approval rating initially rose to 43 percent, while Obama's rose very slightly to 41 percent. These surveys were taking before the first half of the month was over (and formal impeachment proceedings were initiated against President Trump), so it remains to be seen what final results Trump will achieve for the month. Hope I didn't ruin anyone's life..... The BIG difference is Obama started out at 67%, where Trump didn't. It's when Obama spun away from what he said in campaigning, he began to tank with the move left.....which is moderate by today's drift. Trump has been hammered from day one. https://www.statista.com/chart/19541/approval-ratings-obama-trump/ |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by T And T Garage on 11/20/19 at 14:53:07 71627A67627464030 wrote:
Doesn't ruin my day at all. You see, the numbers in question are Obama's lows. These same numbers represent trump's high. Huge difference. If you think trump's numbers are going to go up after this.... well, that's wishful thinking. There's a good reason he's been "hammered" since day one - he's a moron and is unworthy of the office. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/19 at 16:13:32 Trump's biggest opponent in 2020 will be voter fraud. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by raydawg on 11/20/19 at 16:50:45 605255444352457A56455C370 wrote:
Mark....I think one of the good things coming away from all these theatrics is a heightened awareness. Again, I think the standard bearers, of how all this campaigning, proved a goldmine to the media/news, organizations, by selling "their" narrative for a price, etc.... Are the ones grasping to hold onto that power. They know who bought their script, and they are holding it over their collective heads..... HOWEVER...... like the buggy whip, typesetting, etc.... its days are quickly coming to a close, in the computer and INTERNET reality of information. With its powerful exposure capabilities, one phone with a picture, texts, etc, can alert millions to deceit, and fraud, instantly..... uploaded into that realm. Will folks try, yes, I believe so, but it is getting harder, and that's a good thing. Lots of dynamics in play, like never before, and lets just look at these two examples I gave you above. Obama came out of the starting gate with a huge lead....and quickly lost it......WHY? INFORMATION, not spin and narrative of the bought media/networks. He never recovered to the number he was gifted with in his first election. Trump..... That guy has stayed within a few points, up or down, since day one....WHY? Information, again, garnered away from the narrative, and spin of that bought media..... The INTERNET. It's the only constant, in the equation, and its influence in growing, while the other one is declining.... So what is the take-away? Obama ran on hope and change, didn't deliver it, and folks retreated. Trump ran on his MAGA, and his number has been solid from the get go. He won on that same support, however I believe with help from Comey, and anti Hillary voters, who went elsewhere, allowed him to squeak by. Now take that same support, give him half of the "undecided vote" and he could be close to 50%..... Again, one certainty is, those who voted for him, are still there, Obama's, abandoned him in large numbers, from his first outing..... How will this factor in....not sure, but I believe it favors Trump, but again, Trump is his OWN biggest liability.... With Barr and the sitting of a Grand Jury currently underway, those "swing voters" are sure to be in play, if the subject of this inquirery has anything to do with the "never-Trumpers" and democrats, and what has transpired thus far to "Get Trump" Who knows....its very liquid, but again, rating wise, it has not played out to a very wide audience.....yet? |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/19 at 17:26:59 Imagine this happens Ray. Trump gets impeached but of course is acquitted in the Senate. A month or two later, RBG dies and Trump appoints another supreme court justice despite Democratic howls. After the predictable BS lies the Democrats bring up, that justice is approved and seated. Then Trump wins reelection against Warren or Sanders, again with fewer actual votes but the needed 270 electoral votes. What happens? |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by Mavigogun on 11/20/19 at 17:37:02 11021A07021404630 wrote:
The word you were searching for was "won"- no one gave Obama victory. Not that I'm all that surprised that you don't credit the black guy, given the George-Soros-Jewish-conspiracy noise you've peddled previously. Information, again, garnered away from the narrative, and spin of that bought media..... The INTERNET. Fox "News" has been hard at work for decades- yet the Dawg here pretends otherwise. Obama ran on hope and change, didn't deliver it, and folks retreated. As I recall, Mitch McConnell shortly after Obama took office rallied the GOP, saying that they would do everything in their power to block any and all initiatives coming from the Administration, then legislation from the Democrat controlled House- may have had a bit to do with how much was achieved, don't ya think? Plenty of folks I know received healthcare only because the ACA prohibited excluding per-existing conditions from coverage. These folks were given more than just hope- they were given a chance to live. Again, one certainty is, those who voted for him, are still there... Psst! Psssst- Ray! A little secret to let you in on what most everybody else in the country is already privy to: a whole bunch of folks who depend on agriculture and manufacturing who voted for Trump have been suffering the real word consequences of that choice for over 3 years now; when it comes time to step behind the curtain, many will vote their pocket book over the angst that motivated them in '16. Without doubt, there is a base that will sink with Trump at the helm- but all? No. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by raydawg on 11/20/19 at 18:27:01 0C3E39282F3E29163A29305B0 wrote:
Mark....I think t will be much like last time, and if the house flips again, who knows. I would hope Trump would rise to the occasion and stop the name calling, etc.... He'd have no reason to keep up the defense, as it will be his turn to say...."Elections have consequences......." Stop the rallies, and get everyone engaged in fixing the problems we need to address. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by eau de sauvage on 11/20/19 at 19:19:43 192B2C3D3A2B3C032F3C254E0 wrote:
But you mock the polls when they predicted Hilary would win!? And anyway we've just had a couple of the only polls that matter, and that was Trump going all in with Rispone in Deep Red country. But this is all just another distraction, as mavigogun has rightly pointed out you're not here for any good faith discussion. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by raydawg on 11/20/19 at 20:15:52 Well lets see...... The house is polling at: Polling Data: RCP Average Poll Date: 10/1 - 11/19 Approve: 22.8 % Disapprove: 64.4 % Spread: -41.6 Pretty impressive, folks must be really digging what they are doing :-/ source: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html So, are we believing polls, or not.......???? I get so confused :-[ |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by Mavigogun on 11/20/19 at 20:34:09 63706875706676110 wrote:
It has been noticed. That poll makes no distinction between the House and Senate. As most not-blind citizens have noticed, the House has been legislating, while Mitch McConnell has made sure most everything coming out of the House is not taken up in the Senate. Without a more nuanced question, it's impossible to know what the numbers represent- of course, that didn't stop Ray from waving the polls around as if a useful conclusion could be drawn. Congressional approval has been mostly under 30% for the last 12 years. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by T And T Garage on 11/20/19 at 21:02:42 152720313627300F233029420 wrote:
LOL! I called it! Thanks! When trump loses bigly in 2020 (if he even makes it that far), I said a while back that his supporters will scream "voter fraud!". In fact, they've already tried that with his losing the popular vote by 3 million votes. Trouble is, there's just no proof of it. None. Nada. But hey, you gotta protest somehow... I guess. ::) |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by WebsterMark on 11/21/19 at 05:20:31 It's the only hope you have. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by WebsterMark on 11/21/19 at 05:23:49 ....and you didn't call anything, I've been saying that for a long time. You will cheat. The Media will generally give you the cover needed but the scale at which you'll to cheat and in the states you need to do it will be your undoing. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by Mavigogun on 11/21/19 at 05:42:23 437176676071665975667F140 wrote:
Sure- you've provided a clear pattern to predict your behavior by. You'll lie. You'll favor your imagination over what is demonstrated. Sophistry. Obfuscation. Demagoguery. You're a self-described culture warrior bent on the fall of the Republic. What you aren't is cleaver enough to mask your methods and purpose. Not. Very. Smart. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by T And T Garage on 11/21/19 at 05:43:34 645651404756417E524158330 wrote:
No, I won't cheat. You claim that the democrats will cheat - or have cheated. The only problem is - there is absolutely no proof. None. Zero. It's hilarious. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by MnSpring on 11/21/19 at 08:53:52 5B454A4B465B405D2F0 wrote:
Na, that was the bowing to Dictators Spineless POS called Obama, before that it was Carter. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by Mavigogun on 11/21/19 at 09:05:23 This is going to be a really, really big challenge involving basic arithmetic. You may fail -but don't let that deter you from trying: Gallop Average Approval Ratings Carter: 45.5 Obama: 47.9 Trump: 40 Gallop was selected for data, being extant since before the Carter Administration. T And T Garage spoke the truth: Trump is the least popular President in many generations. I can't imagine why. Maybe it has something to do with being such a horrible person? Just a guess. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by WebsterMark on 11/21/19 at 09:31:35 607E71707D607B66140 wrote:
No, I won't cheat. You claim that the democrats will cheat - or have cheated. The only problem is - there is absolutely no proof. None. Zero. It's hilarious.[/quote] You're not going to win running a socialist in a good economy. Even Obama knows that. Your only hope of winning is voter fraud in a few key states to swing the EC numbers your way. Assuming everything stays more or less the way it is, if you don't do that, you'll lose. Even if Trump is impeached, that will not reduce his vote count, might even add to it. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by T And T Garage on 11/21/19 at 09:49:30 665453424554437C50435A310 wrote:
No, I won't cheat. You claim that the democrats will cheat - or have cheated. The only problem is - there is absolutely no proof. None. Zero. It's hilarious.[/quote] You're not going to win running a socialist in a good economy. Even Obama knows that. Your only hope of winning is voter fraud in a few key states to swing the EC numbers your way. Assuming everything stays more or less the way it is, if you don't do that, you'll lose. Even if Trump is impeached, that will not reduce his vote count, might even add to it. [/quote] You can say that all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the majority of the country is in favor of "socialist" programs like universal healthcare. Further, the right seems to forget that there are now 3 years of baggage that trumps hauling around. He's losing the grain belt, the coal belt and the rust belt. Metaphorically, his pants are around his ankles and he's a laughing stock. I highly - highly doubt there is any path to 270 for trump in 2020. |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by raydawg on 11/21/19 at 09:49:34 Oops..... https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/warren-mark-zuckerberg-president-trump-white-house-meeting |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by T And T Garage on 11/21/19 at 10:00:07 594A524F4A5C4C2B0 wrote:
Oops? Why "oops"? It's pretty obvious that trump's desperate and Zuck's got no soul... |
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Title: Re: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 Post by Mavigogun on 11/21/19 at 10:19:47 I'm afraid we have another 11 months of Mark spittling between "Trump will reign for 1000 years!" and "there will be a civil war if he looses!"- then we'll find out how much of a revolutionary he really is. We can't hope for patriotism- but cowardice, certainly, is something we have reason to hope for, hiding behind a keyboard rather than raising a gun or building fertilizer bombs. Please, Mark, when the day comes, continue to exercise the free speech rights you now enjoy- and try to blend in with the folks who didn't want to see our Union fail. |
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