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Title: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/09/19 at 05:20:09 Warren details the impossibility of paying for Medicare for All. Bernie says it’s not illegal to be an illegal. Bloomberg sees how awful Democratic field is, enters race. All those variables increase Trump’s odds in 2020 |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by raydawg on 11/09/19 at 10:47:11 Web.....nothing has changed, will change, or is about to change. The current enviroment has been long coming, not just because of Trump. How could one man bring about such change, so quickly.....he can't. He hasn't the power, nor does anyone ideology, have such ability. Again, I say we are seeing many different elements, coming to a head, and its not orchestrated by one certain person, or even group. So much has been done out of site, for such a long time, not unlike the Epstein and Weinstein, cover-ups.... because of the money and power, involved. I still say its a growing pain(s), of a democracy, a correction, how many times have we seen that pendulum swing back, the other way, when it was reported as certain, one party/ideology, was finished..... Again, look at Obama's first historic election, go back, read the predictions of the conservatives being finished, and done, without any power, in America and politics.... A mere 2 years later, another historical event took place, correcting that first historical event, when he got slammed in midterms..... What makes America great, is its diversity....... It's not all Chevy or Ford, anymore.... ;D ;D ;D This board is not a example, of how America folk, spend their lives, they actually have one ;) |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by T And T Garage on 11/11/19 at 09:39:32 764443525544536C40534A210 wrote:
Those are simplistic, inaccurate right wing talking points. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by pg on 11/11/19 at 10:00:44 667877767B667D60120 wrote:
Those are simplistic, inaccurate right wing talking points.[/quote] Why are they inaccurate...... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by Serowbot on 11/11/19 at 10:04:31 4E7C7B6A6D7C6B54786B72190 wrote:
From none, to when hell freezes over,.. again... 8-) |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/19 at 11:53:30 7265636F6070020 wrote:
Those are simplistic, inaccurate right wing talking points.[/quote] Why are they inaccurate...... Best regards, [/quote] Because he says so PG, that's why. Some little 16 year old Swedish girl told him....! If they're simplistic, it's because they're obvious. And of course there's nothing inaccurate about them. Haven't seen you at the Table in a while. Must be winter and too cold to play... |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/19 at 11:53:52 6B7D6A776F7A776C180 wrote:
From none, to when hell freezes over,.. again... 8-)[/quote] Bet me. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/19 at 11:54:27 5B4D5A475F4A475C280 wrote:
From none, to when hell freezes over,.. again... 8-)[/quote] And by the way Snowflakes, you know why Trump doesn't wear glasses? He's got 2020. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by Serowbot on 11/11/19 at 12:03:26 I thought he didn't need them because he's illiterate... |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/19 at 13:35:46 4D5B4C51495C514A3E0 wrote:
Gotta see to grab all those pxxxxxx.....! And to snatch the key to the Oval outta Hilary's hands! |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by T And T Garage on 11/12/19 at 07:12:39 342325292636440 wrote:
Those are simplistic, inaccurate right wing talking points.[/quote] Why are they inaccurate...... Best regards, [/quote] It's obvious. There's no need to explain. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/19 at 10:14:57 Ha! That's funny! But you're right, don't do it. You'd be like a boxer getting up after repeatedly getting knocked down. You'd be standing there swinging wildly, weakly in all directions. It would be a sad sight. I read an interesting article that I'm not 100% behind but worth considering. The point was that if Elizabeth Warren is the nominee, Trump could win in a landslide. Not exactly Reagan over Mondale but it could be huge from an EC count. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by T And T Garage on 11/12/19 at 10:23:21 556760717667704F637069020 wrote:
I don't think so. After 3 years pf his BS, Americans on a large scale can see what a buffoon he is. I think no matter the democratic nominee, trump will lose, bigly. And before you ask - no, I won't bet you any amount of money. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/19 at 11:25:27 Again, you're not thinking clearly. When the choice is between the national economy and their personal livelihood (which is in good shape) and Warren's gigantic gamble on massive sections of the economy, (including putting everyone on Medicare) she's not gonna find the path easy. Admittedly, if Trump had an ounce of self-control, he'd could win virtually every state except CA, NY and IL. But, he doesn't so he'll just win by some number, but a win is a win. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by T And T Garage on 11/12/19 at 11:51:00 675552434455427D51425B300 wrote:
No, not likely. As I've said ad nauseum - trump is is own worst enemy. He will put so many off by wiping his a$$ with the Constitution, and by his ineptitude. It was cute in 2016 - now it's gotten old. That, and by election time next year, the Warrens and the Sander's ideas will be spelled out and vetted by the public. You see, you can lie and tell people what to believe - but once they're educated by the truth, they'll make their own assessment. Medicare For All is not going to be a slam dunk - obviously. There may only be some shadow of it that gets passed (like a public option). But to even be able to bring this up in a campaign - and then be ahead of the incumbent (by as much as 16 points) is saying something. It's what most Americans want. These are just facts. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by pg on 11/12/19 at 14:49:47 554B444548554E53210 wrote:
Those are simplistic, inaccurate right wing talking points.[/quote] Why are they inaccurate...... Best regards, [/quote] It's obvious. There's no need to explain.[/quote] Yeah, it is obvious. Obvious you have no argument.... ;D Best regards, |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by Serowbot on 11/12/19 at 14:56:40 How do you like your new wall?... ;D |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by T And T Garage on 11/12/19 at 15:04:00 2730363A3525570 wrote:
No, it's obvious that no matter what I put forth, it would be rejected by people like you. You don't really want debate. You want to scoff and name call. There is no sense in that. It's not worth my time. But I will say - It's obvious that Sanders doesn't want "open borders". His position is not to make illegal aliens "legal". Anyone who believes that is either mistaken or stupid. Further, Warren has pointed out that Medicare For All is more than feasible. The only salient point is that which Eegore makes, in that our economy - for the time being - is going to make it tough to do in the manner that Warren presents it. Bloomberg only entered the race to help out his fellow billionaires. That's quite easy to see. So you see, there really is no point in trying to go into any kind of detail on this with a hardline conservative. It's much easier to show the buffoonery that trump exhibits on a typical day. That, and his failing presidency. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by pg on 11/12/19 at 15:13:30 756B646568756E73010 wrote:
No, it's obvious that no matter what I put forth, it would be rejected by people like you. You don't really want debate. You want to scoff and name call. There is no sense in that. It's not worth my time. But I will say - It's obvious that Sanders doesn't want "open borders". His position is not to make illegal aliens "legal". Anyone who believes that is either mistaken or stupid. Further, Warren has pointed out that Medicare For All is more than feasible. The only salient point is that which Eegore makes, in that our economy - for the time being - is going to make it tough to do in the manner that Warren presents it. Bloomberg only entered the race to help out his fellow billionaires. That's quite easy to see. So you see, there really is no point in trying to go into any kind of detail on this with a hardline conservative. It's much easier to show the buffoonery that trump exhibits on a typical day. That, and his failing presidency.[/quote] Your homeboy wants to break up ICE and provide a pathway to citizenship. https://theintercept.com/2019/11/07/sanders-immigration-plan-ice-cbp/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by T And T Garage on 11/12/19 at 15:17:10 253234383727550 wrote:
Yep. I support that. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by Eegore on 11/12/19 at 18:57:02 "Your homeboy wants to break up ICE and provide a pathway to citizenship." I'm not sure why a pathway to citizenship is such a bad thing. As for "break up" ICE I see advantages and disadvantages to placing into another Federal Branch. This does not mean I am pro-"open borders", I think we should be able to deport. The complaints about Obama and the massive deportation's for instance were necessary if the other structures of funding like the ACA, VA reform etc. were going to work. You can't provide more lower cost benefits to more Americans and also provide similar care to everyone that sneaks in illegally. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/13/19 at 04:59:37 Here's the thing, my friend TT! You can't be taken seriously as an observer of national politics if you state with absolute certainty, a wet sock would beat Trump.That's the voice of an unreasonable, hyper-partisan. Let's contrast that with my view. A sitting President in a good economy running against an opponent whose platform calls for dramatic shifts in numerous segments of the economy has a realistic chance of reelection. No reasonable person can deny that. I believe his odds of success right now are greater than his odds of losing and I fully admit that's a debatable point. If you want to argue that Trump's baggage opens the possibility or even likelihood that enough voters in those key states will look past the economy, then go ahead. But don't say Trump has zero chance and expect to be taken seriously. That's why I always challenge you guys to bet. Put $50 or $100 bucks down and all of a sudden the ridiculousness goes away and an honest assessment occurs. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by T And T Garage on 11/13/19 at 07:35:58 467473626574635C70637A110 wrote:
I will never bet with you. Ever. Never. Full stop. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/13/19 at 10:38:54 Wow.....you're totally gone. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by Eegore on 11/13/19 at 11:01:28 I'll take the $100 wager as long as the funds go to the forum. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by T And T Garage on 11/13/19 at 11:42:35 427077666170675874677E150 wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion. Please feel free to take up Eegore's offer. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/13/19 at 13:52:43 4B6B69617C6B0E0 wrote:
You're not a clown like my good friend TT who's making outrageous claims that are just begging to be bet on.... It's hard now because we don't know who the combatants are. But I'd say right now, if its Trump vs Warren, Trump wins. But Warren might not be the one. Democrats could win if the put up anybody sane. I still say if Amy Koboulchar had come out that first debate and told off the rest of those clowns, she would have taken a hit initially, but might be in the picture by now. What do you have in mind? |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by T And T Garage on 11/13/19 at 14:21:51 754740515647506F435049220 wrote:
Nice to see that you're not making any personal attacks anymore. ::) |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by Eegore on 11/13/19 at 18:40:19 "What do you have in mind?" Nothing. I am just saying that whatever your wager is I am willing to take it as log as the funds go to this forum. I assume you are saying Trump will win, so if he does I will pay $200 USD to this forum, I only ask that if Trump does not win you pay the $200 USD. If I am mistaken simply reverse the wager. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/13/19 at 19:45:44 I'm not paying $200 to this cesspool..... $50 to the forum, $150 to the charity of our choice. Deal? |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/19 at 20:41:01 Mark, the forum keeps all the knowledge and experience in one place. Newbies get help. The table is a bit of a stinkpot,, but the forum is a valuable asset for bike riding folks. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/14/19 at 04:35:49 Fair point Jog. I got a lot of free expertise here when I had my Savage. I'll offer a 50/50 split. |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by Eegore on 11/14/19 at 10:14:23 "Cesspool" isn't how I would describe this site. If it is, why waste time logging in? There is a tremendous amount of information collected and freely distributed to people who own these bikes. Custom parts can be made and purchased, parts sold/exchanged etc. Can you think of a better resource for working on this bike? |
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Title: Re: New variables in the equation Post by WebsterMark on 11/14/19 at 10:34:38 I think you missed my response. I received a lot of very valuable and time / money saving technical know how off here. I don't have that bike anymore. The TT is a cesspool. I sit down at this table for the same reason as the others, including you. |
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