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Title: 95 build Post by Steve1980 on 11/08/19 at 08:28:22 I've been lurking around the forum for a while now and I figured I would make a post about my savage build so, here it is. I never took any before pictures of the bike but I'm pretty sure you all know what they look like. It's a 95 model, I bought it from a local guy for $250. It had 6200 miles on It and all it needed was a battery, I installed one and rode it for a few weeks with no issues at all. I thought it would make a good candidate to build something cool out of. removing head tube. I have to admit, I was pretty nervous cutting up a perfectly fine bike. http://https://i.imgur.com/qnGraR4.jpg http://https://i.imgur.com/iDkq9sN.jpg I contacted voodoo vintage about building me an mk4 frame, mailed them my head tube and a little while later this showed up at door http://https://i.imgur.com/aE4oSjT.jpg I found a vs800 front end with 21" wheel on ebay and pulled the trigger. I also picked up a 2" fork lowering kit from progressive suspension and installed the setup onto the frame with some fresh ball bearings from all balls. Got front and rear sprockets from a dirtbike for a chain conversion, pretty sweet! http://https://i.imgur.com/AYFMBnN.jpg time to remove this engine and electrical junk! http://https://i.imgur.com/M7sTQix.jpg sending this stuff to the scrap pile along with the rest of the junk I won't be using http://https://i.imgur.com/eB3tGgU.jpg the engine slid right into place and I picked up a billet aluminum electronics box that will hold the battery and other electronics. I will end up modifying this for a perfect fit. It is made to be used with an anti gravity 8 cell battery so I got one of those too. i also mocked up a biltwell seat with 3" springs, a lowbrow tank and some random clip ons I had laying around. Cognito moto is making me a custom billet top triple tree clamp and hopefully it will be here soon. The stock savage headlight bolts right up to the vs800 front end and picked up a ryca header http://https://i.imgur.com/1EjCS19.jpg put a bigger rear tire onto the savage rear wheel, 150/90 15. modified a led sled customs rear fender and got a chain tensioner from monster craftsman. This is how it sits right now. Everything is just mocked up, i need to take a couple links out of the chain, figure out exactly where the wheel will sit so I can weld up my fender mounts. There will be no front brake (I know how you guys just love that LOL), no front fender or turn signals, also toying with the idea of an auto clutch so I can run a jockey shifter, we'll see though. I also have a set of tc bros controls that I need to weld up once all the other stuff is figured out. going to modify the fuel tank mounting tabs, weld on my tag bracket and install my 32 ford style brake light http://https://i.imgur.com/Lf392dN.jpg so, what do you guys think? |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Gary_in_NJ on 11/08/19 at 08:37:22 Cool project. I'm always amazed at what people see (or want to see) when they look at a run-of-the-mill Savage. Did VooDoo get the engine mounts correct on the frame or did you do some secondary welding there? |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Steve1980 on 11/08/19 at 08:45:26 the engine mounts were perfectly placed, Michael did and awesome job |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by ohiomoto on 11/08/19 at 09:08:55 That's awesome! Like Gary, I love seeing what others do with these bikes. I thought about something like that but with a skinny old school 19" rear hoop. I forget which frame I was looking at. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Steve1980 on 11/08/19 at 09:33:16 thanks! my original plan was to go a whole different route but I had a change of hart. One thing I originally was thinking about was a 21" front and rear wheel using a voodoo model 6. I may still do that but on a different build |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Ruttly on 11/08/19 at 10:52:40 Very cool , keep the pics coming. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by LANCER on 11/08/19 at 16:12:17 Nice work |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by DragBikeMike on 11/08/19 at 23:16:34 Very cool project Steve. I'm thinkin it will be the slickest ride in town. 8-) How much fuel does the tank hold? Why does it have a chain tensioner? Is it to keep the slack side of the chain from rubbing on the frame? Since its a rigid, I figured it wouldn't need a tensioner. Are you planning on forward controls or mid controls? |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Steve1980 on 11/09/19 at 04:59:30 Thanks! The tank holds 2 gallons. I need to use the chain tensioner to clear the electronics box. As of right now, I'm undecided on the controls. I've mocked up both and mid controls feel so much better than forward controls because of the riding position with the clip on bars. I've been kicking around the idea of putting different bars on, like a mini ape or rabbit ear style. If I do change to a more traditional chopper style bar, I will go with forward controls. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by srinath on 11/28/19 at 14:15:28 Steve1980 - I'd be interested in those parts you weren't using. Tank especially. I'm next door, in SC, Pickup and beer $$$ or the real deal - heck I have some highly illegal beer->whiskey concoction I'd be happy to share (both the secret and a 1/2). Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by zipidachimp on 11/29/19 at 15:04:45 Steve; can you tell me the attraction of a hardtail? never been able to figure that out. cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by srinath on 11/29/19 at 17:18:20 IMHO its nice and clean, belt drive almost is made for hard tail. The seat being suspended allows you to get by with suspending the minimum for comfort. What I find pretty hard to wrap my head around is the side mount license plate phenomenon. Not even in these home/garage builds, but the 250K builds for Shaq or who ever by OCC etc on TV. Its almost like they spend weeks and weeks designing and building a 250K bike and they "forgot" it needs a plate, and when faced with the plate they go … "omg omg omg we forgot it needs a plate, where do we put this, where do we put this, lets slap it on the axle nut. Whew dodged a bullet" Makes you wonder what else they forgot LOL. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Steve1980 on 11/30/19 at 10:12:23 Srinath, most of the things went to the scrap yard with some other metal I had. I do have the tank and the front end, wheel included. Honestly, you can have them for free. Idk if it's worth the drive though, I could ship them to you if you want to pay for shipping, I'll have to figure out how much that would be. I'll get a couple pictures of the tank in a few as it does have a small ding on it if I remeber.... As far as the hardtail frame, I just like the look. And the plate bracket is also the brake light bracket and will be welded onto the frame. I didn't want the light or tag anywhere else as I don't think it would look right. I have also decided to go with different bars. Will post picks when I get them on. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by srinath on 11/30/19 at 10:24:38 6F58595D525B0D05040C3C0 wrote:
Oooo my man, I will bring over a mason jar of the finest hooch this side of boston harbor in return for the parts, shaking your hand and looking over that bike - (and measure a bunch of crap) - I can likely help you get some better some or other out of it without changing the look. I hope to add to the project. I hope. I am in Columbia SC, seriously a GA run is under 45 mins, atl is about 90. Seriously, the hooch is what is called "craft whiskey from craft beer" (trust me, that's a thing now - and I used Devils backbone's maibock to make it) Though I also have made em out of sam adams winter lager, summer ale (nope not as good) and 76 - darn fine too) I need a tank to dent - yes - one I need to dent, but I have one that's dented wrong. So I will dent it more, but if I hate it, need a red tank I will use instead. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Steve1980 on 11/30/19 at 10:52:35 I wont include the cap as I need to keep the key for now. The inside is in good shape but full if fuel so I'll have to remove the petcock to drain it all out. Colimbia is about 3.5 hrs away from me as I am 2 hrs south of Atlanta. http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i329/stephengivens/Mobile%20Uploads/20191130_132108_18.jpg (http://s1088.photobucket.com/user/stephengivens/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20191130_132108_18.jpg.html) http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i329/stephengivens/Mobile%20Uploads/20191130_132045_18.jpg (http://s1088.photobucket.com/user/stephengivens/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20191130_132045_18.jpg.html) http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i329/stephengivens/Mobile%20Uploads/20191130_131938_18.jpg (http://s1088.photobucket.com/user/stephengivens/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20191130_131938_18.jpg.html) http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i329/stephengivens/Mobile%20Uploads/20191130_132030_18.jpg (http://s1088.photobucket.com/user/stephengivens/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20191130_132030_18.jpg.html) http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i329/stephengivens/Mobile%20Uploads/20191130_132021_18.jpg (http://s1088.photobucket.com/user/stephengivens/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20191130_132021_18.jpg.html) |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by srinath on 11/30/19 at 11:31:23 That and the FE and anything else you got, I prefer hacking up stock parts just so I don't have to start with bare metal. Next weekend ? Let me know, I'll be there. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by batman on 11/30/19 at 13:27:59 I could never get my head around what both Ryca and VV did when they made their frame designs , If you look at VV web site , nearly 75% of the bikes are unfinished , but only in one aspect , the rider foot pegs and shift /rear brake controls , frankly because of to little ground clearance . with both wheels on the ground there is about 3 1/2" where there was 5 1/2" stock . Lowering the front forks to level the frame rails under the motor just compounds the problem. If I were to use one of these frames I would bolt the motor in , then build the bike working from the ground up ,rather than from the top down. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by srinath on 11/30/19 at 16:02:27 494A5F464A451F132B0 wrote:
Oh I dunno about VV - I would think forks are your choice in a VV so a lower bike may be due to someone picking too short a set of forks for the rake ? With the RYCA, 1/2 the time I see the bike craned over on the side stand, making me think its higher than stock, of course that's the café, not the chopper. However TBH, no one should chop this bike or "cheat chop" like I did with the triples without a set of dirt bike forks for it. One of those 89 KX250 like I used or nearly a whole slew of dirt bikes any number of which will work awesome. Machine the triples to that fork spacing and to carry the savage steering stem, flip the legs right to left and it can easily handle 12 extra degrees and handle lighter than stock. If you cut the frame, stretch it 2" at the top and 4" on the bottom. That way you can run the whole dirt bike FE triples and all. Just make sure your donor has a 30/25 stem dia at upper and lower bearing, like the savage does. So Suzuki DR series from the late 80's is a good bet. Likely kawi as well, not honda/Yamaha. However I think they all have 30 lower, those 2 have 28 upper, still useable because you can get 28/55 but only in the ball kind. not tapered roller kind. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Steve1980 on 11/30/19 at 16:39:29 3033263F333C666A520 wrote:
With the vs800 forks positioned the way I have them and the 150_90 rear tire , I have 4.5 inches of ground clearance. That's more than enough, my sportster has 3.5 inches and I also have no issues. As far as foot controls, that's not an issue either. I have tc bros controls that I'll be using, I've mocked them up both ways with no clearance issues. will probably end up being mid mount instead of forward mount but I'm waiting on my new bars to get here so I can get a better feel of where I want them. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by srinath on 11/30/19 at 17:21:58 What's the rake of your frame with that FE. And is the intruder 800 triple set same offset as the savage ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by batman on 11/30/19 at 19:50:12 The sportster pegs aren't mounted off the lower frame rails ,the right peg sits above the front cylinder 's exhaust/muffler .and the left peg is mounted to a stud that passes through the primary/clutch case. the 883 has a 5.5"ground clearance under the frame and a lean angle of 27.5 degrees ,the 750 street rod has 8" of ground clearance and a 37.5 degree lean angle . You have 4.5"and a hardtail ? sounds scary. The BCB kit (not as great looking) retains the shocks and can be run like a stock bike ,without fear , and still leave you with a spine , but to each his own , you're bike is good looking ,and I hope you do well. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Steve1980 on 11/30/19 at 22:43:26 5F5C49505C5309053D0 wrote:
That is not true, the pegs on my iron 1200 are mounted to brackets that are attached to the lower frame rails and are pretty close to the same thing I will do when i make my brackets for the savage foot pegs. I will say that I wouldn't ride it on the interstate, only because I wouldn't ride a stock savage on the interstate though. They just don't have the balls for that IMO. This will be a bar hopper slash show cruiser. Hell I may only ride it once or twice a year. I have my sportster for daily riding, my cb750k cafe for some fast fun, and my cm200t brat for putting around the neighborhood As far as being a hard tail, it's all a out looks. I'm going for more of an old school look, the seat spring are not as comfy as shocks but not really not that bad, definitely not scary and just look a lot cooler to me. I've owned two other bikes that were hardtail. 1 of them, a 77 xs650 had a ride hight just under 3.5 and was a blast to ride. It's all personal preference I suppose. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Gary in NJ on 12/01/19 at 04:25:55 36352039353A606C540 wrote:
There isn’t a RYCA frame design. RYCA uses the OEM frame without modification. Only the tank mounts are moved. Unused parts or parts now in the way are cut off. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by srinath on 12/01/19 at 07:28:39 3231243D313E6468500 wrote:
A hard tail needs less ground clearance cos the frame doesn't move. The seat is suspended, and you can have all the travel you want just from that alone. Typically the shocks of choice in these cases are bicycle elastomer shocks, which really in bang for the buck can not be beat. You can buy ohlins $2000 grade with $50 on the bicycle used or even new market, and just hold up the 70-90lb - which is 1/2 your body weight and seat and hardware. Seriously, it can be as cushy as the person likes, I have built/modded many a bicycle, the idea of suspending the least amount (your butt) with the highest quality suspension is the ultimate upgrade for your spine - and this is from a hardtail hater (but that due to te fact that those side mount license plates are on every one of em and those are just stupid. It screams that "we didn't think this through" I actually built an elastomer shock on my bicycle that will rival a $2G ohlins, let alone a Suzuki budget suspension for what was their cheapest bike for 20 yrs. So, hard tail doesn't = hard on your ass. Its all in the design and components. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by srinath on 12/01/19 at 07:37:50 1B1F7F233C2722202C490 wrote:
There isn’t a RYCA frame design. RYCA uses the OEM frame without modification. Only the tank mounts are moved. Unused parts or parts now in the way are cut off. [/quote] I think RYCA with their café is more of a "sell more parts" operation than a real design revolution. Yesterday I lifted the back end of the bike 4" or so, the front was left stock. You can get a flat seat out of the stock original seat and that caterpillar pattern with just padding and upholstery, you just need to shave the side overhang of the seat, the tank's lower line is horizontal within eyeball tolerance, the seat top would be level with that and the stock fender can be "de braced" and cut to fit the aesthetics. A tail light and cowl for the hump and its done. Lower the front and put a 17 spoked rim on and you would have the handling to go with the look. Ofcourse you cant not pack and ship a hole, or a cut. Hence we buy drill bits and and saw blades LOL. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by batman on 12/01/19 at 11:30:51 "the frame doesn't move on a hard tail " If you intend to use forward controls you may want to rethink that. Sit on your bike and turn the handle bars from lock to lock watching the neck , that's the same movement the bike does when leaned in a turn. The steeper the neck angle ( the savage is 35 degrees ) the more the movement , the lower and farther forward, the pegs are placed the more likely they will be to strike pavement. It's nice that you have bikes for every purpose ,and that you'll be happy with your build , I 'm more worriied about the newbies that may only have a single bike ,a Savage. Who thinks that a bobber has to be lowered to look right? VV's lower frames rails sweep upward just past the motor ,lowering the rear axel . Why ? they could have carried them straight back and ran longer top rails making the wheel base longer , which would have added to straight line stability , leg room(and the need to change the forward controls) room for a longer tank or larger seat) .lower seat height, And the bother of lowering the forks ,or need to run a chain tensioner , and sitting higher may have given the Savage a "big" bike look. All just my opinion but I think lowering these bikes just creates a lot of extra work/problems. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Gary_in_NJ on 12/01/19 at 11:31:48 Given the fixed dimensions of the swingarm, the longest shocks that can be used are 13-3/8”. Any longer and the belt or chain becomes the limiting factor as all slack is used and the drive becomes tight enough to actually act as a brake. A tensioner can help overcome this by allowing a looser belt or chain but it’s hardly worth the effort as you can’t gain much additional up travel. |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Steve1980 on 12/01/19 at 11:56:53 5C5F4A535F500A063E0 wrote:
Forward controls will more than likely not be used as I am a short guy and don't want my legs to be fully extended while riding. They will probably be mid control. As far as the pegs hitting while turning, that won't be an issue as I intend to make an upswept bracket to mount the controls to. Kinda like my sportster. I'll have to go take a picture in a few. VV frames for the savage aren't limited to just this model (mk4). I chose this model because of the sweeping backbone and struts as well as the lower stance. He can make whatever you want. The rake on my frame is 37 deg. I do not care for large tanks or seats so the dimensions work well for me. For the styling on this bike I'll take a chain over a belt. I guess I would say I'm not building a savage, I'm building a custom and using a savage motor and vin number. http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i329/stephengivens/Mobile%20Uploads/20191201_151309_19.jpg (http://s1088.photobucket.com/user/stephengivens/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20191201_151309_19.jpg.html) I guess I also need to state that this bike is style over function and the things I do to it may not be in anyone else's best interest especially if you're intending to commute with it. I do appreciate the feedback |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by Steve1980 on 03/08/20 at 18:07:02 Small update, changing the look to more of 70s chopper style http://https://i.imgur.com/usj94Bs.jpg |
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Title: Re: 95 build Post by ohiomoto on 03/08/20 at 18:43:42 Nice! |
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