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Message started by Serowbot on 11/02/19 at 10:27:47

Title: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by Serowbot on 11/02/19 at 10:27:47

Gee,.. I didn't see that coming...  ::)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/smugglers-are-sawing-through-new-sections-of-trumps-border-wall/2019/11/01/25bf8ce0-fa72-11e9-ac8c-8eced29ca6ef_story.html
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Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by oldNslow on 11/02/19 at 11:35:13

Well, gee wizz , the wall isn't 100% effective. No doubt because the smugglers are ingenious, persistent, adapt to new challenges and, not least of all, can operate with complete impunity on their  own side of the border.

I guess we ought to just tear the whole useless edifice down and just let the drug smugglers stroll across anywhere and anytime they please.

Maybe reassign all the Border Patrol Agents to the TSA too. That way they can pester law abiding American citizens instead of annoying the drug cartel employees .


Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by Serowbot on 11/02/19 at 12:18:29

The time when walls worked,.. predates Home Depot...

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/02/19 at 13:16:37

Need more manpower to protect our wall.
Lay back
Wait
Arrest
Deport

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by WebsterMark on 11/02/19 at 13:34:24

Moat with gators and snakes.....

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by Serowbot on 11/02/19 at 14:15:05

... and sharks with frickin' laser beams...

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by raydawg on 11/02/19 at 15:32:28

Fields of brussels sprouts  :-/

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by Mavigogun on 11/02/19 at 19:35:29

Pfffft- they'll just get vegan smugglers.

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by Serowbot on 11/03/19 at 08:27:41


697670776A6D5C6C5C64767A31030 wrote:
Need more manpower to protect our wall.
Lay back
Wait
Arrest
Deport


So,.. if we need to post people to guard the wall,...
...what does the wall do?...
We have replaced border guards, with border wall guards...
...and have the added expense of maintaining a wall... :-?

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting largeles in the wall...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/03/19 at 08:43:46

It's really irritating to explain the obvious..
But, for you, my empathy for you, drowning in ignorance, I'll do it.
Please note that prisons have walls.
Those walls are watched over by guards.
Now, pay attention, because this is where FUKKING common sense comes in..

A few men can monitor and protect a long stretch of wall, whereas WITHOUT the wall, the manpower required would be tremendous.
I hope that helps.

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by Serowbot on 11/03/19 at 09:10:55

My post was sarcasm...


The "Wall" is more a symbol than a solution.
A physical embodiment of racist resentment.
I won't argue this again,.. but it has been pointed out by experts in that field, that there are better and more efficient ways, using modern technologies, to guard a border.
Walls are already in place where they are more appropriate than other methods.
Terrain, jurisdiction, ecology, and eminent domain issues, make Trump's one size fits all solution, simplistic and impractical.
"Wall" is more a campaign rally cry than anything else.

Wasn't Eminent Domain, a pet issue of yours at one time?...


Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by Eegore on 11/03/19 at 10:48:31

"Need more manpower to protect our wall.
Lay back
Wait
Arrest
Deport
"

 This is the problem, people ignoring the voices of those doing the job right now.  

 ICE and CBP both have shown ample information showing this is very inefficient.  That why they want early warning tech, drones, sensors, equipment.  They constantly indicate how they could do a better job if they had the right equipment.  Remember that "bad morale" article, they mentioned this.  Deportation is a mess because the system is severely overcrowded, the people on the ground keep telling us the goal should be to stop them before they get in.

 The National Guard used a system that reduced illegal crossing by a huge amount and did it with 6 staff.  Miles and miles of border protected by 6 staff, and... the right equipment.  Even the local "Citizen patrols" stopped going to that area because there was nobody to find.

 6 guys did that with no wall, just the right tech.

 

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by pg on 11/11/19 at 14:08:52

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us

Best regards,



Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by pg on 11/11/19 at 14:10:55


4E584F524A5F52493D0 wrote:
The time when walls worked,.. predates Home Depot...



I believe the Israelis will disagree with that statement.

Best regards,

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by Eegore on 11/12/19 at 11:44:48


"I believe the Israelis will disagree with that statement."

 So would the Chinese.

 Both do not apply to the current US Border.  But what do actual Borer patrol Agents know?  Obviously people sitting at home not doing their job know what's best.

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by verslagen1 on 11/12/19 at 13:37:59


133331392433560 wrote:
"I believe the Israelis will disagree with that statement."

 So would the Chinese.

 Both do not apply to the current US Border.  But what do actual Borer patrol Agents know?  Obviously people sitting at home not doing their job know what's best.


22 million illegals implies that someone is definitely not doing their job.

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by Serowbot on 11/12/19 at 13:50:24

More than half of that number came legally by plane and overstayed their visas...

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by T And T Garage on 11/12/19 at 13:53:55


6076617C64717C67130 wrote:
More than half of that number came legally by plane and overstayed their visas...



Pshaw to your facts Sero!


Sorry to get personal.....

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by pg on 11/12/19 at 14:59:20


133331392433560 wrote:
"I believe the Israelis will disagree with that statement."

 So would the Chinese.

 Both do not apply to the current US Border.  But what do actual Borer patrol Agents know?  Obviously people sitting at home not doing their job know what's best.



Is that because the walls were built before Home Depot?  I lived on the border for four years and I'm well aware of the challenges the border creates.  I've made many trips into Mexico; although, that was before the drug wars became pandemic.


Best regards,

Title: Re: Smugglers cutting large holes in the wall...
Post by pg on 11/12/19 at 15:02:03


2B3D2A372F3A372C580 wrote:
More than half of that number came legally by plane and overstayed their visas...



Do I understand your position correctly?  11M people entered the country by way of a plane..........

Best regards,



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