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Message started by Serowbot on 10/13/19 at 08:59:42

Title: Germany Shooter
Post by Serowbot on 10/13/19 at 08:59:42

Germany with strong gun regulation... 2 dead
In America, that would likely be 50 dead...

Germany Shooter 'Would Have Killed More People' With Access To Better Guns
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/germany-shooter-would-have-killed-more-people-with-better-access-to-guns_n_5da085aae4b02c9da049400a

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/13/19 at 16:13:09

And if twenty percent of the people had guns, a shooter would be shot before they could wreak too much havoc.
And just like the car jackings that were an every day thing in 73, within a couple of weeks after the governor in Louisiana told people to arm themselves, and the news changed to reports of gutshot carjackers flopping around, bleeding and screaming in the street, why, carjacking became a rare thing..

The shooters want to kill a buncha people.
Take away their favorite weapons and they will change to something else.
My second amendment rights aren't up for debate.
We've been doing it the lefty way.
It's not working.
Instead of you lefties continuing to demand more restrictions on law abiding citizens, how about we try it the smart way?
All you science lovers need to admit the facts.
More citizens are packing heat than at any time I can find. And crime is dropping.
More guns actually Does diminish crime.

In an active shooter situation, would YOU prefer to be armed?

Lie to me.
Say you'd prefer to be unarmed and defenseless.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by Serowbot on 10/13/19 at 16:18:56

485751564B4C7D4D7D45575B10220 wrote:

We've been doing it the lefty way.
It's not working.

Sorry, you're wrong.
Germany is the Lefty way,...
America, as far as guns go, is as Righty as you can get. No other country would think this is remotely sane.
No other country has so many guns,.. and no other country has so many mass shootings, or gun deaths.
Logic should be telling you something.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/13/19 at 19:00:10

So you're good with being unarmed when someone starts shooting.
But, since
Adding Guns to the equation is not the right answer, you wouldn't call the cops.

You can explain to the families of dead kids in school shootings how it's better to have
No Gun Zone signs than armed teachers.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by zevenenergie on 10/14/19 at 00:29:06

If you understand, what a child is.
Than you know, not confront a child with problems of adult people, and that you should make the world as beautiful as possible for them.

Their mind is still magic. They are confronted with adults who have a mind full of delusions with no free space and who also stand in front of the class. telling them about the nuts they have in there heads. And now with a weapon in there desk drawer?
If your only answer to crooked situations is more weapons, then your mind is closed.
Then you should not hold an advisory position.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by WebsterMark on 10/14/19 at 05:03:52

Every major American urban community has been under the control of your "adults" for decades and are sh!tholes.
Your adults ate celebrating 11 year old children with obvious mental issues who call themselves a different gender rather than face reality.
Your adults have run virtually every major university for decades and despite cost escalating to ridiculous amounts, student debt is unprecedented because your adults pandered to children promising them a career in Drama with a minor in Eastern European Arts.
Your adults in California have regulated power companies with hyped climate change scenarios to the point that the solution is cutting power to aging equipment to avoid fires in areas under strict management by more of your adults who've yielded to wacho environmentalists rather than manage the land for human occupation.

You're a child who has a clever way of writing. But you're still a child free to be foolish under the protection of adults, at least for a while longer.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by Eegore on 10/14/19 at 05:53:31

The arguments still don't address the fact that active shooters want a high death count. The more efficient the weapon the better for the shooter.

The desire to "ban" high capacity magazines and weapons that fire at high rates of speed are because they can kill quickly. Knives don't do that, stop wasting time comparing knives to AR's, nobody is going to believe one nutjob can kill as fast with a knife as they can with an AR.

Arming other citizens is only beneficial where they can carry.

Again, is a nightclub a reasonable place for open carry?

So instead of making these moronic claims that bowling alleys are as dangerous as AR's, or having this stance of No Guns ever, or Arm everyone in every location, all while just saying we need "Mental Health" reforms without substance or contribution to that issue try having a productive conversation.

Fewer AR's will result in fewer AR related deaths. More armed citizens will result in less general crime. Better mental health care results in fewer deaths. Use them together.

In this post I am very specifically addressing the above topics without further discussing the "Ban all guns" or "Take all guns away" component to this conversation.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by WebsterMark on 10/14/19 at 06:44:31

Mass Shootings are a tragedy and a by-product of societal changes.

Removing the historical 2nd Amendment Right from US citizens (which is the thing that will help maintain this Republic) is not the solution. This is a knee-jerk response from leftist who refuse to acknowledge their roll in this.

I agree with you Eegore, but this gun banning thing has taken hold as one of those talking points the Left won't let up on. There are at least 300 millions guns in the US, maybe as many as 400 million. How many semi-autos? I don't know, 100 million? 99.99% (insert how ever many number of 9's you want) are never used illegally. Stop wasting time talking about scary looking AR's. It's a good way to make it seem like you give a F, but it really just means you'e blabbing... Keep in mind, the majority of gun crime is located in a few zip codes in each major urban area. Stop acting like you're going to get shot if you step out of your car.

I've got no problem with schools recruiting a certain percentage of their staff to be trained and armed. I think that's a great idea. If you don't, then all you want is to create fear over the issue of mass school shootings to beat your political opponent over the head with. You don't want a solution.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/14/19 at 07:14:25

The more efficient the weapon the better for the shooter.

True.
And too bad.

The second amendment is about making the citizens safe from the government, should that ever go bad.

So, figure out a better answer than taking weapons
From
Law abiding citizens.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by zevenenergie on 10/14/19 at 07:17:14

The more I read topic,s about guns the more I think banning all weapens is absolutely nessesary.
If even the cops have lost al sens of proportion and shoot innocent people in their own homes...... :o

Those constitutions are drawn up in a completely different era. It is now time for America and its inhabitants to approach their problems in a different way.
I say to hell wiht your rights.Naked to the bone and start sweeping. >:(

America has created a global climate in which terrorism thrives. This unhealthy condition is also bad for children. Where do you think you should start?

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by Eegore on 10/14/19 at 07:26:57

"The second amendment is about making the citizens safe from the government, should that ever go bad."

I don't expect my AR to stop a Carrier Group from leveling every power plant, water treatment, Hospital, Fuel and Food supply in my area. Personal firearms won't stop the US Government. Guns won't stop biological attacks.

"So, figure out a better answer than taking weapons
From
Law abiding citizens."

The first part of that answer is to stop repeating thing's that don't work over and over. Like comparing bowling alleys or knives to guns. Focus on the real laws, our actual rights, and how to keep them in place. Also compromise and accept that some change will happen.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by WebsterMark on 10/14/19 at 07:52:18

"The second amendment is about making the citizens safe from the government, should that ever go bad."

I don't expect my AR to stop a Carrier Group from leveling every power plant, water treatment, Hospital, Fuel and Food supply in my area. Personal firearms won't stop the US Government. Guns won't stop biological attacks.

Then why do we have any problems in the Middle East? Why didn't we just simply wipe Afghanistan off the map? Why didn't we just drop a small tactical nuke on numerous terrorists camps instead of trying to fly a missile through a tent flap I think is what the phrase was. Why are we still losing troops from IED's, suicide bombers etc...

It's because we will not bring the full weight of the military down. Many soldiers would refuse the order. You think little Tommy who grew up in Omaha is going to push the button that drops bombs on his city?

Nope. Government troops would have to go door to door like we did in our war on terror and what we're doing overseas still. Yea, AR's will be very effective.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by WebsterMark on 10/14/19 at 07:53:13

The more I read topic,s about guns the more I think banning all weapens is absolutely nessesary.
Come and get them.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by zevenenergie on 10/14/19 at 08:10:57

Wow, you changed your mind. :)
I think that's great, but I don,t want them. Maybe you can hand them in at the police station?

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by Eegore on 10/14/19 at 08:19:46

"Then why do we have any problems in the Middle East? Why didn't we just simply wipe Afghanistan off the map? Why didn't we just drop a small tactical nuke on numerous terrorists camps instead of trying to fly a missile through a tent flap I think is what the phrase was. Why are we still losing troops from IED's, suicide bombers etc...
"

How many times do I need to answer that? You obviously won't accept what I am saying, you don't think international application of US resources is different than domestic.

"You think little Tommy who grew up in Omaha is going to push the button that drops bombs on his city."

I already answered that. Biological warfare. Kill those 1000 US citizens before they infect 20,000 more.

Plus if Tommy won't do it what do you need the guns to protect yourself from "The Government" for?

"Nope. Government troops would have to go door to door like we did in our war on terror and what we're doing overseas still. Yea, AR's will be very effective."

I don't think so. Why use such an inefficient method, that is not governed by all the factors associated with overseas objectives? Which isn't taking guns away from citizens to begin with. On US soil they can starve us, infect us, burn us, poison us etc. They can adjust law and re-educate children. But for some reason they will use the least effective means in the domestic theatre with the highest casualty outcome.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by WebsterMark on 10/14/19 at 08:50:39

6B7467747F747F7463767874110 wrote:

Wow, you changed your mind. :)
I think that's great, but I don,t want them. Maybe you can hand them in at the police station?

No, don't ask someone else to do your work coward. You come to the US and get 'em.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by WebsterMark on 10/14/19 at 08:54:28

How many times do I need to answer that? You obviously won't accept what I am saying, you don't think international application of US resources is different than domestic.
How many? I don't know, a million maybe. Because you're wrong.

I already answered that. Biological warfare. Kill those 1000 US citizens before they infect 20,000 more.
The US government, even if run and controlled by future socialist like AOC, won't release airborne pathogens into an open environment.

Plus if Tommy won't do it what do you need the guns to protect yourself from "The Government" for?
While Tommy won't push the button, he will join his fellow soldiers and kick open doors.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by Eegore on 10/14/19 at 09:07:03

'How many? I don't know, a million maybe. Because you're wrong. "

So I cite actual documentation but your opinion trumps all that, convenient. I've sat on wartime convention panels, been overseas many times with our military, but what kind of insight would that provide me? None it seems. I guess there aren't international treaties on nuclear weapons use, or biological weapons, I must be wrong.

"The US government, even if run and controlled by future socialist like AOC, won't release airborne pathogens into an open environment."

Nobody knows that to be true, but what we do know is that these pathogens exist. I'd rather say its possible since it exists than saying I know what our government will do in the future. There's no way I could ever have enough information on my own to predict the outcome of any large political structure such as ours.

While Tommy won't push the button, he will join his fellow soldiers and kick open doors.

So Tommy would be ok murdering people he can see eye to eye over pushing a button? He'd rather engage citizens, see their blood, watch parents cling to their dead children before pumping rounds into them. He's ok with that?

You think any domestic control management group will choose bullet to bullet exchange if they can never shoot one bullet into anyone? Why would they choose that route? Why choose the highest casualty rate method?

Because people with guns to protect against the government feel better if they think that weapon is useful.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by MnSpring on 10/14/19 at 09:22:22

6646444C5146230 wrote:

I don't expect my AR to stop a Carrier Group .

That will NOT happen. Until the Socialists have total control of this Nation.
Then, and only then, will the head Socialists, ORDER that to happen.
To remove the last remaining stash of firearms located in …
And ONLY after they have convinced all the ‘Useful Idiots’,
(aka, UL FDS GBS's)
of giving up any way, shape, or form, of defending themselves.

“…active shooters want a high death count…”
Active ’shooters’, aka, Terrorists, will just hijack Airplanes, and fly them into buildings to get their, ‘high death count’.
The DFI’s at a School/Church/LV/etc, aka, Terrorists, use a semi auto firearm because they have been, TOLD, just the looks of that, sends shivers down the spine of FDS’s.
And Yep, Banning a gun, is the same as banning red cars to stop bank robbery.

Gatling Gun, 1860, first successful semi-auto, that was hand operated.
1885, first successful semi-auto, that was gas operated.
1905 the first successful semi-auto, made in this Nation, that was gas operated.

Guess what folks, banning the AR-15 brand of firearm, and all like it,
Will BAN ALL, Semi-Auto firearms.
The Rem Mod 740, 742, 7400, 4, from 1955 to current, with a detachable clip, would be Far, FAR, more destructive, then the puny .223.
The Ruger, Mini-14/Mini-30, from 1973 to current, with a detachable clip, would be Far, FAR, more destructive, then the puny .223.
And this is a VERY LONG LIST !
Yep, Banning a gun, is the same as banning red cars to stop bank robbery.

“…Also compromise and accept…”
Americans have been compromising and accepting their lack of freedom since 1934.
And it has NOT Worked. for 85 Years !

It is time to Stop, treating the symptoms of the disease.
And treat the Disease.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by WebsterMark on 10/14/19 at 09:28:29

So I cite actual documentation but your opinion trumps all that, convenient. I've sat on wartime convention panels, been overseas many times with our military, but what kind of insight would that provide me? None it seems. I guess there aren't international treaties on nuclear weapons use, or biological weapons, I must be wrong.
So your point is because we have a treaty with a foreign nation, we wouldn't dare launch a widespread attack but despite the fact we have a Constitution, we'll go ahead an poison the water supply for the entire city of Omaha just to stop a rebellion? That's what you're going with.

So Tommy would be ok murdering people he can see eye to eye over pushing a button? He'd rather engage citizens, see their blood, watch parents cling to their dead children before pumping rounds into them. He's ok with that?
Yes. As a military guy, you should know that. Send a "Band of Brothers" into a dangerous situation, and they'll kill anyone to protect their Brother. Tommy will shoot to defend his buddies, but he's far less likely to push a button that kills thousands indiscriminately.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by MnSpring on 10/14/19 at 09:31:26

233C2F3C373C373C2B3E303C590 wrote:
I think banning all weapens is absolutely nessesary.

Here is a donation place.
I am sure he will welcome your hard earned money !

https://betoorourke.com/

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by Serowbot on 10/14/19 at 10:07:47

2F0C3112100B0C05620 wrote:

[quote author=233C2F3C373C373C2B3E303C590 link=1570982382/0#9 date=1571062634]I think banning all weapens is absolutely nessesary.

Here is a donation place.
I am sure he will welcome your hard earned money !

https://betoorourke.com/
[/quote]
That would be foreign interference,.. illegal.
Except when Trump does it. ;D

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by MnSpring on 10/14/19 at 10:40:49

"...Personal firearms won't stop the US Government
I don't expect my AR to stop a Carrier Group from leveling every power plant, water treatment, Hospital, Fuel and Food supply in my area. . ..."

So the argument of some, that a firearm in the hands of Civilians is no match for a Cruise Missile.

I then ask:
"Why is not Afghanistan simply a pile of molten glass ?

Could it possibly be the same reason that Terrorists hide in churches and schools?

Could it be that in this country, the Socialists, that would give such a order, do not want the, 'Useful Idiots', to be destroyed along with the really bad people, who believe in Freedom?

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by MnSpring on 10/14/19 at 10:43:13

4B5D4A574F5A574C380 wrote:

That would be foreign interference,.. illegal.
Except when Trump does it.

And completely IGNORED, when H.R.C. accepts it !
(Or Obama)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by Eegore on 10/14/19 at 11:35:55

"So your point is because we have a treaty with a foreign nation, we wouldn't dare launch a widespread attack but despite the fact we have a Constitution, we'll go ahead an poison the water supply for the entire city of Omaha just to stop a rebellion? That's what you're going with."

You ask why we haven't just went out and nuked other countries, or used biological weapons and I provided reference for why that is.

The question as posed isn't to "stop a rebellion" it is to eradicate all firearm ownership from every single US citizen by means of US Government order.

I do not feel that using a nuke in Afghanistan has equal international repercussion as using, in clandestine implementation, biological weapons inside the US on US citizens. If the Government is willing to kill its own staff in door to door gunfights, why wouldn't they choose a more efficient method? Why go the bloodiest route?

"Yes. As a military guy, you should know that. Send a "Band of Brothers" into a dangerous situation, and they'll kill anyone to protect their Brother. Tommy will shoot to defend his buddies, but he's far less likely to push a button that kills thousands indiscriminately."

I don't agree with that based off of Drone usage and PTSD studies alone, but that's not the point.

So the logic here is to kill a lot of Tommys door to door because they are less likely to say no, instead of telling Tommy all those people in LA are dead already, look at the footage of them writhing on the ground coughing up blood. Should we allow that contagion into your neighborhood Tommy? Want to watch your family bleed out too Tommy?

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by zevenenergie on 10/14/19 at 11:44:10

No, don't ask someone else to do your work coward. You come to the US and get 'em.

I wil first drone your village, and then nuke it.
Than bring democracy while I drain the oil from your savage.

And than donate $5,- to Beto, and change the law, knowing that you are a law-abiding citizen. ;)

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by MnSpring on 10/14/19 at 12:08:10

706F7C6F646F646F786D636F0A0 wrote:

I wil first drone your village, and then nuke it.
Than bring democracy while I drain the oil from your savage.
And than donate $5,- to Beto, and change the law, knowing that you are a law-abiding citizen.

WOW,
ANOTHER 'member',
saying the same things tt wan't to !!!

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by T And T Garage on 10/14/19 at 12:42:35

50734E6D6F74737A1D0 wrote:

[quote author=706F7C6F646F646F786D636F0A0 link=1570982382/15#25 date=1571078650]
I wil first drone your village, and then nuke it.
Than bring democracy while I drain the oil from your savage.
And than donate $5,- to Beto, and change the law, knowing that you are a law-abiding citizen.

WOW,
ANOTHER 'member',
saying the same things tt wan't to !!!

[/quote]

LOL - yep, I'm living in your head rent free, huh mn?

;D ;D

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by WebsterMark on 10/14/19 at 13:31:46

I wil first drone your village, and then nuke it.

My village??? Really??? Are you one of those Nigerian Princes with millions of dollars and you're willing to share some with me if I'll just send $10,000 to prove my good faith?....

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by WebsterMark on 10/14/19 at 13:34:12

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by Eegore on 10/14/19 at 14:02:58

"Because they wouldn't. We have protestors block traffic for the tiniest butthurt and we sit by and let them do it. You think the Feds are gonna wipe out thousands of people all at once??? "

I feel it is equally plausible as spending decades going door to door. Just one high-rise could take a days to fully clear, and this will happen across millions of homes? By this logic I can just say the Government wont take our guns going door to door "because they wouldn't."

My point is if our Government chooses to eradicate firearm ownership by force, or in general implement policy to contain and kill US citizens: (The second amendment is about making the citizens safe from the government, should that ever go bad.") I do not think door to door bullet to bullet would be the method chosen since more efficient methods exist in domestic theatre.

Why, if given the go ahead to use physical force, or subterfuge to persuade voluntary surrender, would force be the chosen method?

If I can get people to voluntarily surrender why would I choose using my own men increasing casualty, wounded resource allocation, and tangible goods distribution? What would Tommy prefer?

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by MnSpring on 10/14/19 at 14:39:32

7555575F4255300 wrote:

By this logic I can just say the Government wont take our guns going door to door "because they wouldn't."

Most likely not.
However, put Socialists, like AOC, BS, etc. in power,
(heck maybe even tt & zevenenergie)
and then the, 'Gun Banning', will be simply legislated.
(Because the, 'Useful Idiots', did What they were Told to do)
Making everybody that did NOT, 'Turn Them In", a Criminal.

Therefore much less door to door. And when the 'Government', breaks in a door, deny rights, kills someone. Hey, they were just a Criminal !

If I can get people to voluntarily surrender

And that is exactaly what is happening.
Put a Frog in a pan of cold water ... ... ... ...

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/14/19 at 16:40:48

Door to door
New Orleans
Been done

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by Eegore on 10/14/19 at 17:10:42

"Door to door
New Orleans
Been done "

Except that wasn't what happened at all. There was literally a Court settlement that is public information outlining details of what happened.

The NRA even admitted to distorting the numbers and claiming the firearms were removed from "private residences" when they were actually removed from citizens who rode "Federal Transportation" busses and such. New Orleans PD was found guilty of corruption, but did not kick in doors or even have a specific team set up to go get guns as priority.

They did not go kicking doors and taking people into custody who refused, but it sure is nice to say they did because some people will just believe it instead of doing research on things like U.S. Code §[ch8239]5207. Firearms policies.

Besides what happened during Katrina is the exact opposite of a well organized assault on US citizens to get their guns. It was almost exclusively sh!tbags from NOPD.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by MnSpring on 10/14/19 at 17:31:15

0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:
Door to door
New Orleans
Been done

Ya But,
Ya gotta remember, the police, under the orders of Mayor Nagin,
(Where is he today ???)
"ONLY", took firearms, out of abandoned homes.

That is why they have agreed to return firearms,
that police officers confiscated !!!!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/14/19 at 21:42:05

Where is he today ???)
"ONLY", took firearms, out of abandoned homes.

Where did you come up with that?
It's Bullshit, you know,,

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/19 at 04:20:48

If I can get people to voluntarily surrender why would I choose using my own men increasing casualty, wounded resource allocation, and tangible goods distribution?

We're not going to voluntarily surrender so what are you gonna do?

Imagine this. Let's say Beto O'Dumbfxxk gets elected with a Democratic Senate and House. So he pushed through his plan to confiscate all those scary looking assault guns, all 50 million of them or however many. (Sure to double the day he gets elected...) After a bit, it's clear many, many of those scary weapons are still in the hands of citizens. What are you going to do?

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by Eegore on 10/15/19 at 05:26:17

"Where did you come up with that?
It's Bullshit, you know,, "

According to statements made by Nagin the phrase is accurate.

Also they did not go "door to door" taking guns by "force" from anyone so that's also Bullshit.

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by Eegore on 10/15/19 at 05:41:34

"After a bit, it's clear many, many of those scary weapons are still in the hands of citizens. What are you going to do?"

Not put together a multi-decade assault force on the US citizen that's for sure. That would only increase the number of people who hide guns.

If a law were passed it would most likely be enforced though investigation, some general enforcement and attrition. Much easier and safer to convince kids to give up guns than old guys.

But... If... The law dictates immediate military and domestic law enforcement involvement to be exercised with no limitations of force and no prejudice, then they would not choose close quarters combat unless they want a lot of US soldiers, and law enforcement to die, and for the active mission phase to last decades or potentially forever.

This would result in an immediate loss of recruitment so within a few years the replacement of staff would have to be negotiated internationally bringing in soldiers and mercenaries from other countries. CENTCOM would go to Canada or Mexico, the US Navy would shift to overseas protocols for supply.

And that's only if the international community is ok with the US committing genocide. So the US would have to consider fighting a multi-front international war with minimized internal resources.

Eventually the decision would be one of how many people need to die over how many decades so an active shooter has more difficulty going to kill people at a nightclub or a school?

Title: Re: Germany Shooter
Post by MnSpring on 10/15/19 at 07:44:21

537371796473160 wrote:

Much easier and safer to convince kids to give up guns than old guys.

Which brings up, "Bambi: the movie.

Walt Disney was a absolutely fantastic visionary, extremely intelligent, and ruthless once he sunk his teeth in a project.

(The greatest film of all time, (I believe), "20 Thousand Leagues under the Sea". It was plagued with problem's, and WAY over budget, and almost did not see the light of day)

On to 'Bambi' 1942. Walt was a very avid, Gun and Hunting, HATER.
Bambi was the first, successful film, which put human attributes on a animal, which the vast majority of Americans hunted.

It was also done at a time when young children's fathers were away at war. So they simply grew up, not wanting to Hunt, then there children, then their children, then they're children, etc, etc.

Just one of the reasons, so many UL FDS GBS aground today.