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Title: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/13/19 at 23:11:51

Two taken to the hospital after crash in Longview - kltv.com
Two taken to the hospital after crash in Longview
https://www.kltv.com/2019/08/13/two-taken-hospital-after-crash-longview/
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Aug 13, 2019 · LONGVIEW, Texas (KLTV) - Two people were taken to the hospital after a wreck involving a motorcycle in Longview Tuesday. The wreck happened around 1 p.m. in the 200 block of East Loop 281. Police say a vehicle

Five pictures are available.
No, I'm not in them.
I'm in the ambulance.
On crutches, no apparent broken bones.
So sore, I'm gonna try to sleep in the chair.
She literally rocketed across the road, I'm guessing she had become impatient with trying to turn across Westbound traffic.

Dunno why she was injured, unless she shat herself.
I hope the link works.
I had exactly Zero road rash..
No scraping on the clothes, just the helmet... don't make sense to me.. but I STOPPED from forty MPH. Somehow came to a halt about ten or fifteen feet from the bike, I have not had time to try to review the mental footage yet.
Nothing broken, a few really painful bruises and the left ankle won't take weight.
Why the driver needed hospital I just don't understand. She, I Thought was who dialed help. I was writhing in pain and couldn't look around or even start to ask questions.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by youzguyz on 08/14/19 at 03:53:18

Sure is glad you are mostly OK. BUT, make sure you are checked out head to toe. Sometimes you don't feel all the damage for a while.

Was that dent in your tank already there.. or did you smack it with something? (Not gonna speculate on WHAT you smacked it with..)

P.S. Looks like you bent the forks a bit... ::)

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Post by MMRanch on 08/14/19 at 07:03:09

The link did't work , but I hope your as good as you were before .
:-?

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by verslagen1 on 08/14/19 at 07:21:56

fixed the link
get well soon buddy.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by Dave on 08/14/19 at 07:48:32

YIKES!

I hate riding in town and traffic......just too many cars and too many idiots in one place.

Heal up as quick as you can!

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by ohiomoto on 08/14/19 at 07:54:36

Gret news!!!!

...that you are alive. :)

Seriously, WOW!

Thank god you are alive. I hope you feel better soon.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by Serowbot on 08/14/19 at 08:20:55

Speedy healing man.
Bike's gonna' need a little buffing.
So glad you're still here.

Sero

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by stewmills on 08/14/19 at 08:23:24

Dang JOG, glad you are OK.....but you did scratch up that nice left-side saddlebag I gave you...that's not nice. :o

Let me know if you get to trying to repair/patch anything up on the old bike...I have a partial parts bike laying around.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by Ed L. on 08/14/19 at 08:45:08

Heal fast, the metal can be replaced. Glad nothing was broken, sprains are tough enough to heal at our age. Get back on that horse as soon as you can. We all are pulling for you.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by MnSpring on 08/14/19 at 09:03:20

Just saw this, sent you a pm.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by norm92de on 08/14/19 at 11:01:25

Justin,
So glad that you appear to be more or less OK. Get checked out thoroughly buddy.

What injuries did the driver suffer, a bruise to her right ear from the cell phone?

We all live in fear of a cellphone driven by an SUV.

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Post by jcstokes on 08/14/19 at 12:09:19

Speedy recovery JOG, my thoughts are with you.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by springman on 08/14/19 at 12:13:13

JOG my friend, I thank GOD that you are ok. Just looking at that made me feel weak. As the rest of the guys say, please get totally checked out and heal quick.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by stewmills on 08/14/19 at 14:04:13

;)

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by Serowbot on 08/14/19 at 14:31:22

726D6B6C71764777477F6D612A180 wrote:

I had exactly Zero road rash..
No scraping on the clothes, just the helmet...

Good thing you used your head. 8-)

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by Zepp on 08/14/19 at 14:50:07

I sees a video and one picture, I dont need to se more, I only hope that you are recovering!
I did a similar thing in my yout, then driving a Suzuki 500 T, those twin twostrokers that was popular in those days!
Anyway, I was driving on a road in a suburban area and sudenly a Volvo did get out befor me frome a sideroad, I hit it on its frontweel and did a voltage over its hood, landed on my tushy!

It did hurt but it was only pain, nothing was broken, exept that my fork was bent and the fender of the car was damaged.

He come frome the right so I paid him of, and I have to buy new fork tubes, I got lycky it was only my ego that was severly damaged!

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by verslagen1 on 08/14/19 at 15:02:59

Shocking!

Volvo's, the safest car crashed most often.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by Zepp on 08/14/19 at 15:40:14

7F6C7B7A65686E6C6738090 wrote:

Shocking!

Volvo's, the safest car crashed most often.

The shocking truth is that Volvo car owners think that they are safe and then drive recles out frome sideroads in front of a Suzuki bike!

Anyway, the driver was more concerned about my healt, and as he came frome the right it was my fault anyway, even that it was a brick wall that he ned to stick out his front befor he could se anything.. like me riding ón my Suzuki 500!

Soo, it hurt my ego, I learnd some aboute driving around in village areas with brick walls, its dangeros in any crossings.. perticaly if one ride a bike!

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/19 at 18:36:34

I had a few x-rays,a cat scan , all they found was a piece of wire buried in a thumb.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by verslagen1 on 08/14/19 at 18:49:24

If you ever meet up with that chick again I'm sure they'll find an A$$ lodged on your foot.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/19 at 19:11:06

Kinda like an ankle weight...

Actually, she could walk right up to me and start talking to me and I wouldn't know who she is. Man, I've thought it over, and I know what is happening on that stretch of road. It's half way between two major intersections and the speed limit on the loop is 45. Nobody was pulling away from me, and traffic there is running 45, or a touch above.
Yeah,I'm hobbling around, and the bruises and swollen places are really messing with me, but crapRumba, I could be in the I.C.U. or worse.
I keep finding new tender spots.

Got it home today.
Windshield survived with only a minor, polishable, little scuff, muffler is screwed, shifter is really bent, looks like when the front tire lodged in that door the front end went right and the rear went left, driving the tank into the car, and feeding the left side saddlebag into the rear wheel opening.

More later, I'm beat and sore.l

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by batman on 08/14/19 at 20:10:57

Hope you heal up soon ! the bike's just metal ,it's replaceable your not , but your walkin' (hobbling ?) and talkin' and that great!

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Post by BrooklynSavage on 08/14/19 at 20:53:56

Wishing you a speedy recovery! You’ll be back on the horse in no time.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/19 at 22:59:41

Gonna have to inspect the frame .
If it's good
Need forks.
And the rest is just details.
Want a bigger tank.
And this one is bent up bad.
Shifter is really torqued up.
Need to test run engine and play with the shifter, see if the transmission is good.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by verslagen1 on 08/15/19 at 07:28:06

From what I've seen the forks bend really easy. The front wheel smacks up against the frame/engine and takes the brunt of the impact. So the front wheel might not be true. The only other indication is the rear motor mounts don't fit right.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by stewmills on 08/15/19 at 07:32:44

Pretty sure I have a spare shifter with the parts bike. Let me know when you confirm what you need and we'll send a care package.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/15/19 at 09:17:44

5D4E5958474A4C4E451A2B0 wrote:

So in order to check the frame I need to remove the peg bolts?
Or are there others?
I had the bike standing up and cranked the bars left in order to eject myself to the right. Looks like the fender smacked the header a bit. I sure didn't have any intention of trying to stiffen my arms and stay on the seat. That would be really bad. Stuffing my right shoulder into the window, which wasn't down and didn't break, has that arm so sore I can't reach out, but nothing broke..and I didn't go through the windshield,, and head first into the car and break arms and smash my stomach on handlebars..
Talk about a split second choice..
Not a decision, because decisions require thoughtful analysis. I have no idea why I chose handlebars to the left instead of right, but had I gone the other way, the bike would have been slamming me instead of the car..
I figure a 64 year old man take a 45 to zero MPH bouncing and get off with being really sore, some swollen knees and an ankle, I'm inclined to believe God is watching out for him.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by ohiomoto on 08/15/19 at 09:29:14

That's a bummer JOG.

I would imagine the insurance company will just total the bike. They don't do much with motorcycles because the value is so low relative to cars. I see a lot of LS650 salvage parts listings on eBay or Pinwall and bent forks and dented tanks are normally involved. The insurance company will just total the bike.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by verslagen1 on 08/15/19 at 10:01:35

36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote:

[quote author=5D4E5958474A4C4E451A2B0 link=1565763111/15#24 date=1565879286]From what I've seen the forks bend really easy. The front wheel smacks up against the frame/engine and takes the brunt of the impact. So the front wheel might not be true. The only other indication is the rear motor mounts don't fit right.

So in order to check the frame I need to remove the peg bolts?
Or are there others?[/quote]

Well if your pegs are bent, so will those bolts.
I was referencing the REAR motor mounts. There are 2 plates that bolt to the frame with allen heads above and below the swingarm pivot.

But Ohio has a point, the insurance co. will total the bike regardless of the damage.
I would buy the scrap value of the bike, but go buy another. The engine alone will make it worth it.
The hassle of getting it re licensed is a break even to a loss, and then you have a salvage title.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/15/19 at 22:47:56

Appreciate the information.
Not concerned about the value for sale.
I Like the bike,but am considering using the hulk for going on with it. Reelthing let me have it for five hundred dollars and it's a better machine than the 2005 model I bought. If I can get hands on the hulk cheap enough and the frame checks out , then I want to stuff a fat piston in it and a Stage Three cam along with whatever carburetor the local geniuses recommend.. for a workhorse..

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by runwyrlph on 08/16/19 at 16:39:48

312E282F32350434043C2E22695B0 wrote:

I figure a 64 year old man take a 45 to zero MPH bouncing and get off with being really sore, some swollen knees and an ankle, I'm inclined to believe God is watching out for him.

Yep. Glad you're OK!

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by v-pilot on 08/16/19 at 17:09:30

Wow JOG! Sorry about the mishap and glad you're ok

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/16/19 at 19:35:43

I got a leg over it today.
Leaned over and looked at what would likely have happened had I stiffened up and tried to ride it out.
Nothing Good.
So, I.M.O. in a
No way to avoid the T-bone moment
At speeds above the
I can stiffen up and stay on speeds,
The least crappy option is
Slow down as you prepare to bail off.
If the car is coming from your left
Get up on the right side peg, left leg up, further than I was, so you don't smack your knee on the tank, and when you are ready to bail, crank the bars to the left, try to get as much of you to hit the door at the same time as possible. Speed and pain are directly proportional, and forty five HURTS!
I hope I never learn enough about this to be able to tell anyone more.
But I'm pretty sure
Pointing the front tire At the direction the car is coming from and getting off moving toward the front of the car is better than being somewhere between the bike and the rear of the car. Not sure, though..
Things like this, thought about, laying in bed, waiting on sleep , are good training. The Body knows what to do in the
Prepared for emergency.

I don't remember doing that practice, but I have Felt things before, when things were seriously bad, and I am going with
Thank You, God!!!!

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by stewmills on 08/19/19 at 09:20:32

I found the traffic camera video of what JOG was doing right before the accident:

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6074407708001/

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Post by ohiomoto on 08/19/19 at 12:05:25

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/19 at 09:19:40

So, here's the plan..

I'm keeping the crunched bike, but after close inspection, I see a gash in the flat front surface of the case from a fork tube, and I think it's close enough to the vibration damper to get shaken hard enough to turn into a leaking crack, so, unless someone can assure me the case is thick enough to be okay even with a deep gouge, that engine is done.

But, I've got the whole top end.

I'm gonna get another bike and ride it, and take advice from those who have
Done It..
I have a die grinder and rotary files, dremel tools, and I know which machine shop to go to, and I have a stock cam and a Stage One, which I figure would be a great way to wind up with a Stage Three, which I Think someone said is the preferred choice for the bored out top end.

So, I'll be asking for
What piston
Rings
Where from, etc.

And if I find the right year model I'll have a spare iggy and I'm thinking it would be a good time to 86 the decompression timer and associated gizmos,
I'm wishing I could figure out if
the convenience of More gas
Makes living with the bigger tank worth it..
Has anyone put a bigger tank on and then regretted it?

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by Fast 650 on 08/21/19 at 14:08:48

I just happen to have a case here that is broken in that very spot, so it makes it easy to measure the thickness. It is only about .170" thick so there isn't much left if you have a very deep gouge in your case.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by Oldfeller on 08/21/19 at 14:22:42

Justin, if the vibration dampener still rotates freely and misses the dent, get a TIG student at a local university or tech school to fill the dent in with some layered beads of aluminum then grind & sand the surface nice and flat for you.

If it is still in clearance to the rotating items, it can be "re-enforced to be as strong or stronger" by TIG welding.

I would suspect that Alunmiweld (a solder like repair) can do the same trick but using a readily available gas torch.

Point being, you got NOTHING to lose with that case assembly. And if you do it smart, you don't have to take it all apart either.

I am reminded of a certain group ride crash that took place in the mountains of NC where we put a cracked side case back on the road WITHOUT DISASSEMBLY after an 5 minute epoxy repair job, a fast meatball fix that lasted for months afterwards until it could get welded back up properly.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/19 at 06:56:24

Ahh, noted, thanks..

Now,
Just what is 45 MPH?
Well, it's 66'/second..

Yeah, but how do I relate to that?
Well, in order to get to 45. 17 MPH
You can fall
For sixty six feet.

And that, my friends, is a kinda sorta way to think about what kinda stoppage this old man took.
Another site translates to Joules, I'm probably gonna drag that up.
I sure would like to see that car.

Awwrite, I know I screwed that up some, but I'm not sleeping worth a crap, and I'm not exactly thinking all that great either. I haven't even driven a car yet,,

Gravitational acceleration
32.17405
ft/s²

Initial velocity
0
m/s

Height
66
ft

Time of fall
2.0255
sec

Velocity
65.17
ft/s

Reset defaults

So, the chart tells us if you fall from 66 feet, in a little bit over two seconds, you'll be moving just a whisker under 45 MPH,,
And it Will reset your defaults..

Even if it wasn't
Your fault.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by verslagen1 on 08/25/19 at 08:53:42

It's not the fall, it's the sudden stop at the end.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by Dave on 08/25/19 at 12:19:49

253A3C3B2621102010283A367D4F0 wrote:

Gravitational acceleration
32.17405
ft/s²

Initial velocity
0
m/s

Height
66
ft

Time of fall
2.0255
sec

Velocity
65.17
ft/s

Reset defaults

So, the chart tells us if you fall from 66 feet, in a little bit over two seconds, you'll be moving just a whisker under 45 MPH,,
And it Will reset your defaults..

Wait a minute.......they got stuff on the internet now that will differentiate the equations for you? :-?

Where was this stuff in the 80's when I was learning how to calculate acceleration/velocity/position with calculus? :-?

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/19 at 13:35:46

Sudden stop
That should be
Bold
Italicized
Underlined

Dave, don't be unhappy that you didn't have a
Push a few buttons
Get the answer
Resource.
Just look at the stuff you know how to do that the whippersnapper group doesn't.

I think the point I was making was

At 45 mph, a body slams into an obstacle at very near the velocity of a body that Falls 66 Frikken Feet.
That's almost like coming off a six story building.
And then the forward motion of the car launched me between 30 and 40 feet..
At a right angle to the impact.

Anyone wanna give that ride a go?
Did I mention that I'm screwed up?
Wa, no, not Exactly walking, hobbling is more like it, and I'm pretty sure the right rotator cuff is torn, and the left one is starting to burn, too...
I lived, no broken bones, no emergency surgery required to stop internal bleeding, but
I'm more than a little concerned that my life will never be the same..
I've learned a few things I will be sharing soon.
If you don't have
Uninsured AND Underinsured motorist coverage

Get it.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by Dave on 08/26/19 at 03:36:53

When I am on the interstate doing my best to nearly comply with the speed limit......and I see folks flying by me at 80-85mph with only 20 feet between them and the other cars - I wonder if they have any concept about how badly things would go if things went wrong?

This cage generation and their lane warning/air bag laden cars have given them a false sense of security.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/26/19 at 06:44:21

Say you get hit.
And the idiot has
$30,000.00 liability..
Well, that's what YOU have for Your care and losses.
So, carrying
Uninsured AND UNDERINSURED motorist
Insurance is important.
The Assholes are trying to say I Declined uninsured,,
Funny thing, I carry it on the cars,,,

You don't think they would lie,do you?

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by Dave on 08/27/19 at 07:19:00

392620273A3D0C3C0C34262A61530 wrote:

The Assholes are trying to say I Declined uninsured,,
Funny thing, I carry it on the cars,,,

Getting insurance is very complex, and being sure that all the correct boxes are "checked" is difficult. The only proof you have is your policy statement - did you keep a copy of it?

It seems to be another example of a government that is not very functional in some areas. In order for you to license a car....insurance is mandatory, and yet somehow folks are driving without a license or insurance.....and these folks seem to bang into other drivers frequently. It would seem to be appropriate that if the other driver was charged with the fault and they don't have insurance - they somehow should be made to pay the damages......for however long it takes them to get it paid. But - the problem is that the financial standing that has caused them to ignore getting insurance is likely the same thing that will prevent you from getting any money from them.

I think it is rare that anyone ever has an accident and comes out of the deal "whole". My 2006 Pontiac Vibe has 160,000 miles on it and runs like a top, looks good, has no dents or door dings, no rust....and I fully expect to get another 10 years and 100,000 miles out of it easily. Kelly Blue Book has it listed as a trade in value of $1,342 and a private sale value of $3,400. If I had an accident it would likely be totaled and they would give me $2,000 for the car......I could not replace it with a comparable car for 2-3 times that amount.

My friend had an accident on his BMW R1000GS Paris/Dakar bike. It damaged the left engine guard, the left mirror, the left turn signal and a left body panel. The insurance company valued the damage at $2,000 and totaled the bike for $1,300......he opted to not follow through with the claim as he could fix it for around $600 in used parts....and it would cost him around $6,000 to find another bike like it.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/19 at 14:47:58

Yeah, Dave, it ain't set up fair.

Title: Re: Somebody had a really rough stop.Him
Post by stewmills on 08/27/19 at 15:15:49

043F3225343823253E363B24570 wrote:

[quote author=392620273A3D0C3C0C34262A61530 link=1565763111/30#43 date=1566827061]
The Assholes are trying to say I Declined uninsured,,
Funny thing, I carry it on the cars,,,