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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Marketplace >> Modified Pulley Spacer /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1563725075 Message started by Armen on 07/21/19 at 09:04:34 |
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Title: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 07/21/19 at 09:04:34 Well, here goes. Using the drawing DBM provided, I just cut down my first spacer. Dave gave me a few, I had one. Bought one. So, I have 5. Can cut them all up if there is a demand/need/want. I'm sure they'll fit in the cheapo Priority box. So, maybe $25 each, with shipping? Send your original back. Any takers? Should this be in 'Marketlace'? thanks, -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by verslagen1 on 07/21/19 at 09:52:06 Yup, marketplace. So now you have the light flywheel mod and the rear pulley spacer mod. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1482931385 http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Flywheell_holder.JPG (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1482931385) You need to resize your pic's to between 640x480 to 800x600. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 07/21/19 at 12:19:16 Thanks. Actually, Dave still has the remaining stash of flywheels and front pulleys. I just have the modified rear axle spacer for the double wide bearing. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Dave on 07/22/19 at 03:35:19 Yep....I have the remaining lightened flywheels - and this most likely is the last of them to be machined. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1504271719/0 |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 07/23/19 at 07:16:36 Well, judging by the thunderous response to this offering, I'll prob sell these 5 and quit. So, the new price is $25 (including postage) without sending me your old one. thanks, -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Matchless G11 on 07/23/19 at 15:41:17 I hate to be a dumb dumb , but what is this item good for? I myself would like to gear a savage down. I have a ryca and on the backroads it hovers between 2-3 gears. Chain gearing would be easy but, I would like to keep a belt. So that is the problem. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 07/24/19 at 04:25:45 Hey Matchless, If you dig through Dave's posts, you'll see his documentation of the problems in the sprocket carrier. Basically, after a bunch of miles, the carrier develops play (wobble). Dave came up with one solution involving machining the carrier, and installing a shim/bushing. DragBikeMike came up with another solution involving using a double row bearing. To use the wider bearing, the left side spacer must be machined. So, these spacers are for the bikes using the wider bearing. Doesn't matter if you are running a belt or chain. Make sense? |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Dave on 07/24/19 at 07:48:18 273E3030666625322332343C646362570 wrote:
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 07/31/19 at 18:11:43 They travel in herds... |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 08/20/19 at 20:16:47 Bump :-) |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by verslagen1 on 08/20/19 at 20:34:01 OUCH! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 09/17/19 at 05:20:21 Bump ;D |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by ohiomoto on 09/17/19 at 10:14:12 PM sent |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 09/18/19 at 04:43:27 Ohio Cool. LMK where to send it. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 09/28/19 at 04:53:45 Because of the overwhelming response to the spacers, I now need people to send in the OEM spacer. I have enough to send out, but I'll need more to modify. So, either send the stocker up front, or send it to me after you install the modified one. Be the first kid on your block with a non-wobbly pulley! thanks, -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 10/07/19 at 11:58:34 Ordered my spacer today! For others, here is the quick link to DBM's how to thread along with the art number of the new bearing you will need: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1561964431 Per DBM's thread, I found a suitable bearing on eBay for $16 (delivered). The vendor is Quality Bearings Belts & Chains, Lexington, KY 40509 (www.qualitybearingsbeltsandchain.com). The bearing is a 5305-2RS, item number 111730106826. This is an extremely inexpensive, Chinese bearing. A similar SKF bearing costs about $112. Generally, I wouldn’t bite on a deal like this. I would be skeptical of the quality (you get what you pay for). But I figured it would be worth $16 to try the mod out. If it works good, I might consider springing for the gold standard bearing. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by ohiomoto on 10/08/19 at 06:09:57 I installed mine last week. It seems to work well. I used a Japanese JAF bearing I found on Amazon for $24 shipped. EDIT: Wish I would have ordered another bearing at that price. They are selling for $82 now! https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MUXVESW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 10/08/19 at 06:14:15 Yeah, I found a NOS high quality on Ebay for $15. Very nice! Good place to look. Don't really trust a no-name Chinesium bearing. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 10/08/19 at 12:13:14 So....is the bearing in DBM's link not what I should have gotten? Armen, do you have a link or part number to the bearing you recommend if what I ordered is not something you would recommend/trust? I'll pony up another $15 if it means the difference between junk and trustworthy. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 10/08/19 at 14:14:43 It was the last one. Just punch in the bearing code into Ebay and look for one that wasn't made by angry crippled Chinese child prison labor. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 10/09/19 at 07:18:55 I have no clue when it comes to bearings and brand names. Here a few that caught my eye that don't see, to reference China, but I have no idea if these are "good finds" or crap. https://www.ebay.com/itm/JAF-5305-2RS-Double-Row-Ball-Bearing/192178734382?hash=item2cbebec52e:g:67oAAOSwX61ZCvTI https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-NEW-KSM-5305-2RS-RADIAL-DEEP-GROOVE-BALL-BEARING-MAKE-OFFER/253024398500?epid=730955375&hash=item3ae96deca4:g:HU4AAOSwvjdZWWnl https://www.ebay.com/itm/5305-2RS-AMCAN-Angular-Contact-Ball-Bearing/133113115476?hash=item1efe28f354:g:Fa8AAOSw0eNdLSUx https://www.ebay.com/itm/KSM-5305-2RS-53052RS-NEW-IN-BOX/232364535289?epid=730955375&hash=item361a016df9:g:qcwAAOSwDFBZ-9ba https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Double-Sealed-Bearing-5300-Series-0-98-I-D-X-2-44-O-D-1-Width-150755/192700667206?hash=item2cdddad546:g:QF4AAOSwdA5c5ACb |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 10/15/19 at 13:34:16 Def not the last one. You want a 2RS, a double rubber shield. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 10/15/19 at 13:36:08 Your first listing looks good, as does: https://www.ebay.com/itm/5305-2RS-WJB-Double-Row-Ball-Bearing-W-2-Seals-R38D2/362701503559?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 10/15/19 at 14:52:05 645748404B250 wrote:
Thanks Armen, I snagged this one. Will get the project done here soon after the non-Chinese sweat camp labor built bearing gets here and get the core back to you. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 10/15/19 at 14:53:29 Excellent, Stew! LMK how you like the results. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 10/23/19 at 19:30:02 Well...I ordered the WJB bearing and what arrived is a Chinese HBC bearing. Now I have two Chinese bearings. Is it really that critical or is this HBC good enough for this purpose and someone that puts ~1000 miles/year on the bike? If this HBC is junk, it'll go back as I read further that this seller tends to do this with other customers, replacing one brand for another despite what they advertised and was ordered by the customer. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 10/23/19 at 19:47:32 Eh, maybe run it and check it periodically? |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Dave on 10/30/19 at 12:22:55 Does HBC stand for "Hangover Bearing Company"? |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 12/04/19 at 18:57:47 Bump! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Matchless G11 on 12/05/19 at 03:19:09 Is there a quality source (not Amazon or Ebay) but a direct seller of bearings? I would like to buy a good quality Japanese made bearing nsk, koyo or whatever. I don't mind spending $40 to 60. for it. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 12/05/19 at 06:18:54 I use Worldwide Bearings in Fairfield NJ. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by wordet11 on 01/10/20 at 17:32:07 PM sent. Thank you for making these. Never realized how much wobble I had on my hub until I read this thread and checked. Can't wait to put one in. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 01/10/20 at 19:45:59 Cool. Give me an address to send to, and mail me your original when you install mine. thanks, -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by wordet11 on 01/23/20 at 11:27:45 Got my new spacer from Armen, snagged a Chinese double row bearing off of ebay for $16.99. Tapped the old bearing out of the hub with an appropriately sized socket and a hammer. Cleaned up the hub, threw it in the oven on 250 Fahrenheit, new bearing in the freezer, waited 45 minutes, dropped right in. Armen's spacer fits perfectly. Really easy fix for a big problem. Thanks again Armen. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 01/23/20 at 17:58:12 Aw, Excellent! Thanks for the kind words! I have one more modified spacer in stock, and two not cut yet. Will try to cut them this week. And I think someone owes me one... So, if anyone needs one, let me know. And thanks to DBM for coming up with the fix! -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 01/24/20 at 10:08:44 I owe you one! End of the year got super busy with work (traveling out of state and out of the country) and my house remodel killed all of my free time. Maybe I can find a few minutes in the next week or two to get on this and get you my core. Sorry for the super long delay! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Dave on 01/24/20 at 11:03:26 4D4A5B49535752524D3E0 wrote:
Slacker............ ;D |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 01/24/20 at 15:01:10 Don't I at least get points for being honest and self-reporting? :'( :'( :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 01/24/20 at 19:39:28 Well.... Kinda sounds like the dog ate your homework :-0 |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 02/10/20 at 17:50:15 Well, in an effort to become shockingly rich, and to make all your S40s/Savages the chick magnets they were destined to be, I finished whittling two more rear axle spacers, giving me a total of three to mail out. And if an unnamed slacker ever sends me his stock one, I'll have another. Same deal, $25 including postage. You send me your stock one. thanks, -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 02/13/20 at 07:10:25 This weekend. It is my goal to get this swapped this weekend! I will hopefully have my core back in the mail to you Monday, but I am not sure I have your address handy (may be on the original shipping envelope in the shop)? PM me. If you open the box and glitter and BBs roll out everywhere consider it a gift for waiting on me so long ;D ;D ;D Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 02/13/20 at 07:37:21 PM sent with address! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 02/13/20 at 07:51:48 Got it. Any other parts you need to hack up while I am sending a package? I picked up a parts bike a while back (frame, no wheels or tires, no tank, no forks) that had an engine failure due to failed tensioner. Dave has the rocker already, and I don't think I have the right tool to yank out the flywheel (or does it not necessarily require a special tool, just muscle?). Anyhow, not sure what all is in the boxes of bits but I can dig around if you tell me what you are looking for. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 02/13/20 at 08:33:47 Thanks! I think I'm good for now. Yes, you need a few tools to yank the flywheel. If you want to do a light flywheel, Dave has them and a tool package to rent. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 02/16/20 at 15:29:23 Armen, slight delay getting the spacer off and in the mail. Had a fight with the radial arm saw this morning and my right hand it outta commission for a couple of weeks. Promise to get after this as soon as I am able. Stew |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 02/16/20 at 16:11:03 Holy crap! That is scary! What happened!?!? Hope it heals well. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 02/16/20 at 20:43:58 Miter saw (as some call it). Guard broke yesterday. Still using today and after a cut I reached to grab a board before the blade stopped. Where the guard broke off, my glove caught the blade and it pulled my hand in. So far I can move all fingers but will see hand specialist tomorrow to assess in detail all movement and nerves. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 02/16/20 at 21:32:35 OMG. fingers are crossed the all is well. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Duncantheguy on 03/25/20 at 05:07:18 Armen, would like to purchase one of those pulley spacers if still available!! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 03/25/20 at 06:49:52 Sure! PM me your contact info. thanks! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 03/26/20 at 06:47:29 I'll be getting my core this weekend (finally!). Hand is healed up pretty well now where I can push and pull wrenches despite some persistent swelling. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 03/26/20 at 06:54:52 Hey Stew, Glad to hear the hand is getting better. That was pretty scary! take care, -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 03/26/20 at 06:58:07 Hey Duncan, Got the $. Thanks, Just send the original when you swap it out. thanks, -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Matchless G11 on 03/26/20 at 16:43:53 Just did mine, it has been awhile since I bought the spacer from Armen. Like to thank Drag bike mike for the recommendation on going to the better barring. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 03/28/20 at 17:25:58 Got mine done today (after 11 years of ordering and holding the modified spacer and not returning the core :o ). One comment I wanted to make is that I am at ease with my Chinese bearing (ordered twice from fleabay....received NOT what was advertised twice). Now that I pull the tire (I have done it many times before) I am reminded that the inner bearings in the wheel aren't what I was replacing, simply the bearing that carries the pulley. So...if the Chinese pulley bearing starts to act up my rear wheel isn't going to kick sideways and sling me into a ravine. Thanks Armen. Core will be in the mail Monday if they are open. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 03/29/20 at 06:31:39 Glad you are better, Stew. Please don't expose yourself to risk for that part. Wait til the virus thing calm down and send it out. I still have one or two. Of course, I'm amazed that everyone doesn't want one, but thats another issue :-) take care, -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 03/29/20 at 09:26:42 No worries...I am using my own clean padded envelope from home and printing a label from home so I can just dump it in the parcel box. I am still working at the office as normal so I have t get out every day anyhow. Yes, it is such a quick and easy swap and I can see how it will help stabilize the pulley better. Thanks again! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 04/03/20 at 11:14:29 Hey Stew Got the core back from you today. Thanks! When Duncan sends his, I'll set up and bang out a few more. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 04/03/20 at 11:45:25 Yeah! Now I don't have to look over my shoulder for your enforcer wanting the core :D |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 04/05/20 at 18:52:40 Hey Duncan! Did you get the part? |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Duncantheguy on 04/11/20 at 13:46:54 Armen, haven't checked back in was waiting for my new bearing to show up. Will be replacing the bearing and spacer and sending back the old one this week. Cheers |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Bubba on 04/20/20 at 11:01:07 Welp, I got my new modified spacer and bearing in last week (thx Armen!) and got them installed over the weekend (thx for the write up Dragbikemike!). Took me about 3-4 hours total. Mainly, the heat/cool part and then adjusting the belt in the pulley since I don't have much wiggle room with the larger front pulley mod. I never did any proper measurements of the pulley deflection other than grabbing front to back on the pulley and feeling a fair amount of play but it's been that way for quite some time (25k mileage). I always figured it was play in the rubber dampers that was causing it. I have the modified front pulley too for those of you who are interested. I was a bit concerned that might be a problem but it wasn't really. I've only had a chance to take it out on a couple of short runs after the install but holy heck, what a difference! Absolutely no wobble now. One thing I didn't expect was that for the longest time, whenever I would lay the bike over in some steep turns it always felt a little sloppy coming out of the turns. I figured it was just my imagination but with the positive contact on the pulley now I realize it was probably just pulley wobble...it is actually quite a different more confident feel. If you're considering this mod I highly recommend it if the back end of your bike feels a little squirrelly. :) |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 04/20/20 at 11:37:25 Hey Bubba, Glad to hear it!! So great that the bike is happier now! So glad Drag Bike Mike figured out this fix. Rare that there is a simple cheap fix to a significant problem. Ride safe :-) -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 04/20/20 at 14:00:48 Interesting! I have had occasions on long sweeping high-speed corners where it felt like I was about to enter the Harley death wobble statistics book. I have always had the shim mod in my pulley, but wonder if those episodes were a result of the remaining pulley wobble? Now that I have completed the swap I will have to pay closer attention to this next time I am out tearing up the empty town roads 8-) |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 04/20/20 at 14:20:54 Funny you say this. Something I've been thinking about. If there is any flex in the rear axle, this setup might make the left side a bit stiffer. Locating the spacer in the new (wider) bearing, and transferring the load over a larger are of the axle might make it stiffer. I've been thinking about other bikes I could do a similar mod on. thanks |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by stewmills on 04/20/20 at 14:55:35 Based on the way I cut the grass, I may need you to make me some some of these spacers for my riding mower too :D |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 04/25/20 at 19:33:38 So, Bubba, any more miles on the bike? More feedback? |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Bubba on 04/28/20 at 08:59:33 Yah, I've put some miles on it...sorry, I haven't been on in a bit...being in Denver we go from snow to 70 degrees in the span of a few hours so spring riding can be a challenge... Anyway, I took the bike out last Sunday for about a 60 mile ride. It definitely is an big improvement with the solid pulley working with me now. I had a stretch of about 20 miles with pavement grinding going on...I hate when they do that but the end result's are worth it. Some sweeping turns and long straightaways made me feel like the back end was finally gripping when it should. It's interesting to me that I always presumed the rear of the bike was always going to be somewhat sloppy feeling...maybe it's just my imagination but for whatever reason it feels nice and solid now. Thanks again Armen and I'll get the core in the mail this week for you! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 04/28/20 at 09:18:36 Hey hey, Thanks for the feedback. Wonder if the other folks noticed a difference. take care |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 05/06/20 at 14:07:14 OK, so I got the last stock spacer back in the mail today. I have a few ready to ship if anyone is interested. thanks! -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Jdvt600 on 06/06/20 at 08:29:08 PM sent |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 06/06/20 at 08:37:52 PM sent! thanks! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 06/06/20 at 09:39:07 I guess PayPal must have changed their rules, and are taking a fee even if the transfer is labelled as a gift. The payment I just received was minus $1.03 for fees. So, the new price for the spacer is $26, and send me the old one. thanks, -Armen And, of course, you have to buy a bearing. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Jdvt600 on 06/06/20 at 10:28:17 4A79666E650B0 wrote:
@Armen, I could have been my mistake. That was my first time using the "gift" option in PayPal and their instructions did not match the onscreen options. I'll get the missing amount to you. Copy on the bearing. I've ordered the ebay doublewide. -JD |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Dave on 06/10/20 at 06:31:43 No mistake about it - PayPal is now charging a fee even for friends and family. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 06/10/20 at 07:18:21 Ah well, it was great while it lasted. |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 09/01/20 at 20:08:48 Bump! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by backroadbozo on 10/22/20 at 16:09:25 Whats up Armen? I'm looking to grab one of the modded spacers. Do you happen to have any on hand? Thanks |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 10/22/20 at 17:44:23 Hey BRB, I just moved, and my garage is about as scattered as a two week old fart. If you could send me yours, I'll turn it around in one day. thanks, -Armen |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by backroadbozo on 10/22/20 at 17:58:39 No problem. Let me get it packaged up and ready and then I'll shoot you a PM or email to get the address and your PayPal. I aim to ship it out either tomorrow or Saturday. I'm in no rush so whenever you receive it just turn it when you feel like it. My bike is under the knife for the winter. Thanks man, you'll hear from me by the end of day tomorrow! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Tocsik on 07/01/21 at 14:03:36 Hey Armen, you still need our spacer up front or do you have any on hand? I'm ready to get rid of the noise! |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 07/01/21 at 15:04:03 Hey Tocsik, Yup, send me yours. No idea where my old stash ended up. thanks |
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Title: Re: Modified Pulley Spacer Post by Armen on 09/27/21 at 21:01:22 Well, I actually have one in stock now. If someone wants a modified spacer, contact me, I can offer this one on exchange so your bike won't be off the road while parts travel across the country. thanks |
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