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Title: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by S40_Bandito on 07/09/19 at 08:41:27 Hello all I recently became the proud owner 8-) of THE 2009 S40 Boulevard LS650 with a whopping 2185 miles on it and it has been garage kept with same petro for 4 or 5 years :o I happily except that I have....... Not only a great bike but a cool project bike to say the least. The previous owner never found the keys [smiley=cry.gif]...... push came to shove so I simply broke the steering lock >:( and had a key made from the ignition switch for $65 [smiley=thumbsup.gif]. I have drained the old stale petro, currently running through about a 1/4 tank of fresh petro w/seafoam.......and was able to finally get it started. Rough idle though and seriously boggs down to a complete shut off if and when I increase throttle past 10mph. Things I still want/need TO DO: 1. Oil change and filter need to buy oil - shopping around for best oil and or zddp additive near me - K & N oil filter in amazon cart. QUESTION - It's topped off with oil (half fresh) but I see engine smoke when idle- should I be concerned and what other than a oil change should I look for - I don't have any leaks or exhaust smoke??? 2. Spark plug - doesn't appear to be an issue but new won't hurt-- NGK Iridium in amazon cart 3. Purchased OEM Carb rebuild kit - I'm very mechanically inclined but a little nervous about the DIY (All the jetting measurements you guys put in your post(s) have me scratching my head- However, I did drop the float bowl on the carb and noticed some light greenish crud build up, the float seemed to move freely but after sitting for 4 or 5 years and based on how it runs or lack there of it feels like clogged jets are the culprit. I tapped the side of the Carb and the rough idle smoothed out a little. Also, it will not run without primer pulled all the way out and petcock set to prime. 4. Petcock - Raptor petcock in amazon cart - hopefully this is the right one let me know??????? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MSIHCUU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A2BLHDR2O8U8AJ&psc=1 5. Primer choke plunger - I want to replace it while I am under the hood - I found a mention of this being done in post but no details - QUESTION- Will this work as a replacement - right or wrong one???? https://www.amazon.com/DAPCO-Mikuni-Primer-Kit/dp/B0055DQERU/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Mikuni+Primer+Kit&qid=1562350346&s=automotive&sr=1-4 6. White Spacer mod (Need step by step instruction) 7. Seat riser mod 8. Permanent Battery tender cable mod WISH LIST Harley Muffler Mod - found the post still reading and waiting on my money to catch up with my eyes Bat Wing Fairing w/windshield https://www.jpcycles.com/product/606-952/memphis-shades-batwing-fairing-9-smoke-spoiler-windshield I have read just about all the great write ups and feel confident I can get her purring like I want. Any advice you can muster, any notice of something that I am missing, or anything you feel I should include will be greatly appreciated [smiley=dankk2.gif] If possible a quick link to the right articles will help as well and especially any step by step with the pictures .............oh while we are at it ......the paint by numbers for dummies while you hold my hand, pat my head, and tell me it's gonna be ok with warm milk and cookies wit a good ol bedtime story ;D [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by LiftdT4R on 07/09/19 at 09:30:51 Sound like you desperately need to clean to the carb. The smoking exhaust could be from a rich condition. Oil will usually have a white tint and a certain smell whereas rich is usually a dark tint and smells like an old lawnmower. Make sure on the oil you pickup an oil without a friction modifier. Regular car oil won't do the trick as you'll toast the clutch. Most here seem to be running Shell Rotella but a search will point you to many alternatives. I wouldnt bother with a carb rebuild kit or choke plunger. I'd just clean everything that's there. If you see any damage then I'd replace but especially after only 2,000 miles nothing should be worn out. My bike is a 1998, sat for a couple years with 9k miles on it and everything was fine it just needed to be cleaned. Any little gunk in the jets or pathways of the carb will cause the bike to run incorrectly. I use a mix of small needle type carb cleaning tools, compressed air, and carb cleaner. The green youre seeing is due to the ethanol that's added to most gas these days. It cant sit more than a couple months before it attracts moisture and fouls things up again. Also, when you disassemble the carb, like most Jap bikes, the phillips screws youre seeing arent actually phillips, they are JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) so they strip out very easily is you use a phillips. You can grind down the tip of a phillips to make it work better. Your best bet is to replace all of those with allen head Screws anyway as theyre very soft. I used this for a petcock. Great price and it's worked well for me for the last 1,000 miles: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Manual-Fuel-Petcock-Kit-1986-2018-Suzuki-650-Savage-LS650-Kawasaki-440-LTD/251718750762 Also, where are you located? |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by stewmills on 07/09/19 at 09:35:21 Welcome, and nice find! My brief two cents worth: Tell us where you are...at least a city/state/country as some things aren't as easy to come by if we know you are in one of those places. 1) Current formulations of Rotella T4or T6 are sufficient. Recent research indicates that no additional zddp is needed. Expensive oil or air filters aren't necessary on these bikes unless that's what you really want. 2) New plug is cheap insurance. Stick with stock. Hotter plugs aren't necessary. 3) Before you change anything, just clean it. Chase ONE thing at a time. Clean the slide very good (no carb cleaner on plastics!) with maybe WD40 and wip it down good with a lint free cloth and remove ALL fingerprints. A sticky slide will drive you crazy and cause sticky throttle response. Also make sure to clean the TEV on the right side of the carb. There are little orifices in there too. 4) Some of your issues mentioned in #3 may be solved by the raptor. Otherwise you need to rebuild the stock carb innards as they are probably dry rotted by now resulting in only running on prime. 6) There are details on this in the tech section.... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1104205157 7) Worth it. 8) Worth it if you don't have an AGM battery. If you need a battery, I suggest an AGM from batterymart. US made and quality product. Can find them on sale for ~$65-$70 brand new with free shipping. I have a tender lead on mine just to be safe, but AGM does't need the TLC like a wet cell battery and is worth the upgrade. 9) Harley dyna muffler can be found on a goo day for ~$20 if you have a small local shop (not Harley dealer). WELL worth the upgrade. Hope this helps! |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by Junker on 07/09/19 at 09:53:05 Is the smoke white? If you have dropped some Seafoam in the tank, that could be the cause of it. |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by ohiomoto on 07/09/19 at 10:16:11 What LiftdT4r and Stew said...don't go changing jetting and doing any mods beyond the petcock until you get it running properly. If you are lucky, the PO left the stock jetting in the bike. It's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Get it cleaned up and running before you start changing crap. |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by S40_Bandito on 07/09/19 at 11:50:08 @LiftdT4R I'm in Atlanta, Georgia |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by LiftdT4R on 07/09/19 at 11:52:13 13303F3538253E510 wrote:
If you were near SNJ I'd clean it for a sixxer of PBR. It's not that bad to take part honestly. Not as easy as a slide carb. Just make sure the diaphragms are in good shape and go back together correctly. |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by stewmills on 07/09/19 at 13:31:28 I am just down the road in Auburn, AL. Would be happy to help you if you are ever down this way with the bike. One other note (didn't see this at a glance) is not to let the bike sit and idle on the side stand. It isn't good for it because the cam lobes don't get good oil to the top of the engine when it is on the side stand. Also, at what level did you measure the oil? You should see oil half-way through the sight glass with the bike sitting perfectly vertical. If the bike is on the side stand on level ground then as soon as you see oil at the bottom of the glass then it has sufficient oil. Lastly, make sure you smell the oil to ensure it doesn't smell like fuel. It isn't likely with the stock petcock, but if the carb ever flooded it can run fuel back into the crankcase and you don't want to run the engine with fuel in the oil. |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by S40_Bandito on 07/09/19 at 14:05:41 Thank you all for the rapid replies and warm welcomes! To make sure I get the gist of what was said ...... in other words "keep my grubby hands to myself" :-/ @justLiftdT4R - thanks for being so thorough 1. Clean the carb 1st b4 replacing anything (K.I.S.S -keep it simple Stupid) Gotcha! 2. I just grabbed oil from a cycle shop so unsure about the zddp but pretty sure its average oil - So I do need to get better oil however, based on the recommended viscosity -do I stick with 10W/40 in the Rotella? 3. Will the air compressor be a 100% necessary for the carb cleaning - only tool I don't have??? LMAO ;D [smiley=shocked.gif] [smiley=rolleyes.gif] [smiley=lolk.gif] I went to a couple shops and got price quotes on carb cleaning..... The 1st shop said we can do it for only $250...... 2nd shop proudly says awww yea we can do that for a mere $450 obviously not paying attention to the type bike I have and told him I have .......dummy you can get a freaking new carb for $300-350 I think :-?..... so for entertainment purposes I was like what if I bring it to you he says $225..... The 3rd shop which was the most outdated and the one I liked the most had a guy that owned it that you could tell he pumped motor through his veins and has been working on Hogs all his life.... Hell he looked like he was around to work on Gottlieb Daimler's bike!!!! He quoted me $100- which I am entertaining since I don't have a air compressor...... but the Manly man's man in me is like uhhhh yea you can buy a compressor for $100 and have it afterwards and still pull off the DIY. Ahhhrrrggg so many decisions! 4. Your petcock link looks to be of higher quality than the one I have in my cart - nice find and will buy! @stewmills - Thanks for the specifics 1. See question above on viscosity but I will be buying Rotella 2. I concur with you all that I should probably leave well enough alone.... but here is my premise............I bought the plug and planned to purchase the other items in my cart as a form of preventative maintenance. This gives me a gauge as to the age of these parts and the mileage on them going forward. That way I know historically when the last replacement took place and when the next one is to be expected. But I do embrace the "if it's not broke don't fix it" mantra as well so I am again a little torn :-/ 3. I have read a couple TEV post and basically this thing must be the equivalent to the female G-Spot because everybody mentions it but there are no pictures and the location of it sounds about the same 2 inches inside to the left or right of the rough texture patch. ;D where and what the sam hell is the TEV lol 4. I just bought a new wet battery ::) dang it, but will definitely keep my eye on the AGM. So far the battery has been great just want to make charging easy when necessary so I want to mount the cabling somewhere. 5. Being in the south we probably pay more for things that are seasonal than elsewhere - you can RIDES all year long here just about. So I am hoping I can get a Harley Dyna Muffler that cheap - I will search around; what do I need to look for before I buy? Does it need to come off a specific Harley D? I am sure I saw a post or two on installation so maybe I can find answers there. I saw a Dyna Fishtail on ebay for $19.16 needs a little TLC but not sure how it would look or the fitment. @ohiomoto ( I'm a Buckeye displaced from Cleveland) By changing jetting you mean just changing out the jets in general or the jet settings? @Junker - No not white smoke per se like the blown head gasket or oil leaking into the exhaust. Just a kind of burn off when the engine gets good an hot. Most noticeable at night cause it floats in front of headlight. Thanks all for taking me to school! Ahhh the power of suggestion ..... Picking up a 6 of PBR right after I click send! ;) |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by verslagen1 on 07/09/19 at 14:44:06 Quote:
T6 is 5w40 and T4 is 15w40. For the temps you're running, it won't matter, unless you get caught in a blizzard, winter wts will never be seen. Check the back for the JASO MA spec as there are multiple varieties of Rotella. |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by verslagen1 on 07/09/19 at 14:55:00 Quote:
You don't need one to clean a carb. A can of carb cleaner and a face shield is all you need. |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by verslagen1 on 07/09/19 at 14:59:53 http://3. I have read a couple TEV post and basically this thing must be the equivalent to the female G-Spot because everybody mentions it but there are no pictures and the location of it sounds about the same 2 inches inside to the left or right of the rough texture patch. Grin where and what the sam hell is the TEV lol It would be nice if there were still pictures, but the TEV is the 3 screwed plate on the right side of the carb, just below the idle mixture screw. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1267767908/0 |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by stewmills on 07/09/19 at 15:08:09 Here in our area (the south) I have mostly used Rotella T4 15w 40 with no issues. I used to use the T6 but I change my oil more frequent than most so I don't mind the T4. If you don't change your oil often, the T6 is a longer lasting option. |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by LANCER on 07/09/19 at 16:20:27 Cleaning this single carb takes 1-2 hours for someone familiar with them. DO Not pay any more than $100 for the job. If the bike does not run properly, including if it is backfiring, take it bake to be corrected...at no charge to you. If he can’t make it run perfectly then don’t go back to that shop, they don’t know what they are doing. |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by BrokeAss on 07/09/19 at 19:30:10 Batwing fairing on an S40? Please tell me you're joking... |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by Junker on 07/09/19 at 21:58:37 QUOTE: @Junker - No not white smoke per se like the blown head gasket or oil leaking into the exhaust. Just a kind of burn off when the engine gets good an hot. Most noticeable at night cause it floats in front of headlight. Seafoam can produce that kind on smoke. It could also be oil burning off the motor. Have a look for oil around the nut at the front of the motor next to the header or around the spark plug behind the chrome head covers. It's a common slow leak caused by a leaking plug/cap under the head cover. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1099227295 If it is leaking .. this is the part you will need .. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1412889755 Enjoy your wrenching! 8-) |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by batman on 07/11/19 at 13:17:11 What is an OEM rebuild kit? ,I've never seen one, tell us where you found it . If it was online be careful that the jets are the proper size ,that is the same size as the ones you remove, often these "kits" for the Savage aren't. |
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by S40_Bandito on 07/12/19 at 08:09:04 Thanks verslagen1 766572736C6167656E31000 wrote:
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by S40_Bandito on 07/15/19 at 12:47:49 @BATMAN The owner of the old school MC shop ordered it for me. I tried to post a pic but it won't let me so here is the info and a web link. 1003-1386 Carburetor Rebuild Kit Carb Rebuild Kit Closed Course Racing Only Suzuki LS650 Savage 96-17 Included Items: (1) Float chamber gasket (2) O-rings(assorted sizes) (1) Jet needle (1) Pilot screw (1) Spring (1) Needle and seat set (1) Flat washer (1) E-clip (4) 5mm-0.80 x 16mm Pan head bolts (4) 5mm-0.80 x 8mm Pan head bolts (1) 4mm-0.70 x 6mm Pan head bolt (1) #52.5 Pilot jet (1) #145 Main jet https://www.denniskirk.com/parts-unlimited/carburetor-rebuild-kit-1003-1386.p174996.prd/174996.sku 2D2E3B222E217B774F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: HELP WANTED!!!! Noob on Deck Post by S40_Bandito on 07/15/19 at 13:07:39 I can't make it up if it's already a thing @BrokeAss :D . It looks a lil naked but not half bad IMO what do you think? Shoutout to @transam4life for posting the MOD http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1417758813/4 487865616F4B79790A0 wrote:
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