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Title: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by raydawg on 06/22/19 at 11:04:52 You just never know when its over...... I pray for all involved. New Hampshire highway collision leaves 7 motorcyclists dead, 3 injured https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-hampshire-highway-collision-7-motorcyclists-dead-3-injured |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/22/19 at 12:53:38 That's just gutwrenching.. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by hotrod on 06/22/19 at 18:33:53 Want to get away with murder ? This is how it usually works : Get in your car and kill someone on a motorcycle. You will get a ticket that says , Failure to Yield. It may cost you $80.00 Not bad. The cost of a lawyer may be extra. You will not spend one day in jail. This happens over and over. The court system sees you as a dog that had no business to be on the road. This has been going on for years. Sorry for my rant. I'm angry. >:( >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by MMRanch on 06/22/19 at 22:50:44 DUI suspect ! So why is the truck Wrecked on the wrong side of the road ? |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by Dave on 06/23/19 at 03:42:08 534153414C5F505D561E0 wrote:
That "DUI SUSPECT" in the news report is a link to another story......not this motorcycle crash. The most recent articles state the investigation is still ongoing and it is a complex case - so they are not commenting on why this happened yet. You would think he would have been able to see the group of large Harelys.....somebody in the group usually has really bright headlights. Perhaps it was distracted driving by the truck driver and he drifted left of center. Maybe one of the bikes had drifted over the centerline and started the crash.......we have all seen motorcycle drift over the centerline when the corner is tighter than they expected. This is a tragic crash........we are all vulnerable to anyone that crosses our path and crashes into us - on our motorcycles, in our cars, or while walking! |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by LANCER on 06/23/19 at 19:27:28 I’ve been trying to watch for info updates on what exactly happened but nothing yet. What an awful thing to happen. There are a lot of hurting people with a lot more families hurting as well and they need to be covered in prayer. Things like this tragedy cause self evaluation. Am I living my life the way God desires of me. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by Ruttly on 06/23/19 at 21:01:00 God has no problems with bikers. Or motorcyclists. Or motorcycles. Did the drunk that caused the crash survive ? |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by Dave on 06/24/19 at 03:56:13 6D4A4B4B53463F0 wrote:
There is no report yet the driver had been drinking. He was not charged and was allowed to go home. If the Police had found him drunk....I believe he would have been locked up. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by raydawg on 06/24/19 at 05:58:42 0C373A2D3C302B2D363E332C5F0 wrote:
There is no report yet the driver had been drinking. He was not charged and was allowed to go home. If the Police had found him drunk....I believe he would have been locked up.[/quote] He (truck river) was only 23 years old, driving for this hauling company. That is a memory that will last forever. The guys were ex-marines. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by ohiomoto on 06/24/19 at 06:15:48 4F666A6A627536070 wrote:
That's not fair. I killed a man in an accident when the front tire on a larger cab-over truck I was driving blew out and I couldn't keep the truck on the road. The other driver was in an S10 and didn't have a chance. I hit him head-on. The truck I was driving literally pushed his truck off the road before it flipped end over end. I found myself hanging upside down from the seatbelt when it finally came to rest. I somehow crawled away with just a broken leg, but I saw the lifeless driver still in his little truck. I was transported to the hospital and was not charged for the accident. I have to live with the sight of a dead man in my head. When I think about it, it's like reliving a bad dream. I can't imagine what everyone involved must be going through. It looked like a war scene. I'm sure the driver of that pickup truck didn't set out to kill anyone on the road that day. He may have done something negligent or maybe it was something out of his control, we don't know. Throwing "murder" at that person without knowing what caused the accident is stupid. Sorry, end rant. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by sjaskow - FSO on 06/24/19 at 10:39:15 I just read an article: https://www.foxnews.com/us/pickup-truck-driver-arrested-following-new-hampshire-highway-collision-that-left-7-motorcyclists-dead that says he was charged with "seven counts of negligent homicide". I'm guessing there's more this that was put out so far. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/24/19 at 11:19:40 7D7A7B7D7F7D667D120 wrote:
That's not fair. I killed a man in an accident when the front tire on a larger cab-over truck I was driving blew out and I couldn't keep the truck on the road. The other driver was in an S10 and didn't have a chance. I hit him head-on. The truck I was driving literally pushed his truck off the road before it flipped end over end. I found myself hanging upside down from the seatbelt when it finally came to rest. I somehow crawled away with just a broken leg, but I saw the lifeless driver still in his little truck. I was transported to the hospital and was not charged for the accident. I have to live with the sight of a dead man in my head. When I think about it, it's like reliving a bad dream. I can't imagine what everyone involved must be going through. It looked like a war scene. I'm sure the driver of that pickup truck didn't set out to kill anyone on the road that day. He may have done something negligent or maybe it was something out of his control, we don't know. Throwing "murder" at that person without knowing what caused the accident is stupid. Sorry, end rant. [/quote] I'm sorry for your painful memory. Imagine your anguish had you, and not something beyond your control, caused the crash. I lost a left front on a Mack. On a two lane, no power steering, immediate left turn, the wheel spun so fast and my left arm got in it. Thought sure it was gonna break. In the seconds it took to realize what had just happened and asses the situation I saw I was about to put my seat into a telephone pole, I got stood up and wrestled the wheel enough to just miss the pole. The tire exploding was so loud, the concussion shook my guts and the shower of fiberglass and the tread blowing through the fender , all just froze me for a second, but it wouldn't have mattered if I had known exactly what was going to happen and been holding the wheel with everything I had. The immediate and violent power of that truck wanting to turn left would have easily overpowered me. And I have many times replayed that moment, knowing that my path would Not have been changed, no matter who or what I saw coming. Thank God it wasn't your fault. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by hotrod on 06/24/19 at 11:22:56 ohiomoto ; Before the 7 bikers dead article came out, I would have said just what I said. Perhaps I should have used the term, "Negligent Homicide". Your situation is completely different, and was absolutely a accident. Since this is a motorcycle forum I was speaking of the relationship between cars and motorcycles in accidents. Many are killed when a car makes a left turn in front of the motorcycle. He didn't see you ? People in cars kill people on motorcycles every day, and many times leave the person on the side of the road to die. Did you read some of the posts on Yahoo ? " I wish he killed more of them ". "They asked for it". "Murdercycles'. " I try to run bikers off the road" Also, a jury looks at your case differently if you are a motorcyclist You are at a disadvantage. It seems like in a court of law your life has less value. Of course , there are exceptions to everything. From now on I'll use the term Negligent Homicide. Your situation was a true nightmare and accident. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by raydawg on 06/24/19 at 16:52:19 The driver was arrested for a unrelated issue. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by oldNslow on 06/24/19 at 18:16:39 https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/06/24/five-things-about-horrific-crash-that-killed-seven-people-new-hampshire/iX62IBSil3F4dUl6j1j9KN/story.html |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by oldNslow on 06/24/19 at 18:28:21 Another article from the Globe: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/06/24/west-springfield-man-charged-with-seven-counts-vehicular-homicide-randolph-crash/AGYRmdNnLBMnvxi0GAC3XO/story.html?p1=Article_Feed_ContentQuery from this article: "At the time of Friday’s crash, Zhukovskyy was free on $2,500 bond in a pending drunk driving case in Connecticut, court records show." There's just no way to know who's in a vehicle coming toward you on a two lane highway with nothing between you and him but a couple of lines of yellow paint. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/25/19 at 05:11:11 And Look At the load ahead of you. Some guy got killed because a dirtbike came out of the pickup ahead of him. Dunno if they ever caught the guy. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by ohiomoto on 06/25/19 at 07:28:10 Justin, that's exactly how it happened. The tire was so loud I thought someone shot a gun at me. A split second later, I realized what happened as I helplessly wrestled with the steering wheel for what seemed like minutes even though the whole ordeal lasted just a few seconds. Not fun. Anyway, my point is we don't know what caused this accident. The driver was charged, so they felt it was his actions, but I still doubt it was intentional and I guessing he is in shock. Negligence is different than intent. There is no excuse for negligent behavior, but it was most likely still an accident. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by philthymike on 06/25/19 at 12:05:39 This is a tragic waste of life. In my local area there's been a rash of motorcycle accidents too. One of them a hit and run. Poor guy went off an elevated section of I95 and fell 35' to his death. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by verslagen1 on 06/25/19 at 12:28:21 There will be always a rash of accidents this time of year. Bikes are coming out of hibernation and cagers have forgotten they exist. So, do your part and ride all year even though it may require snowmobile treads. 8-) |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/25/19 at 18:01:03 Justin, that's exactly how it happened I've never met anyone who had experienced that. I got lucky, nobody was there.. Take comfort knowing it wasn't your fault. Let it be. Easy to say, I know, but it truly was outside your control. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by Eegore on 06/26/19 at 07:09:16 Head of MassDOT resigns over this. More information here: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/head-of-massachusetts-registry-of-motor-vehicles-resigns-after-fatal-new-hampshire-crash/ar-AADrtns?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=UE12DHP |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/26/19 at 07:54:23 Should have been deported https://www.conservativereview.com/news/truck-driver-accused-killing-7-bikers-immigrant-deported/ |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by springman on 06/26/19 at 14:51:57 I had not wanted to comment on this because it is so awful. Now that more info has come out and it appears the driver of the pick up truck has a "history" of shall we say bad driving, I find it very difficult to not be extremely mad. I feel terrible for all that were involved in that accident and for their families. May God give the survivors the strength to deal with this. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/26/19 at 18:16:08 If not for lack of law enforcement, he would have been gone. Gee, I wonder what happened.. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by Dave on 06/27/19 at 06:13:17 Now that the facts are coming out.....I will no longer stick up for this fellow and his "innocent until proven guilty". This fellow has problems and it appears he is not fixing them - and now it resulted in the deaths of 7 innocent victims. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by raydawg on 06/27/19 at 07:44:35 7C474A5D4C405B5D464E435C2F0 wrote:
Dave, it really is sad, isn't it. These folks served in the service, willingly risking their lives so freedom for all might be assured, to all. When society enables victimhood, the very action itself, produces more victims. A good reference: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201406/the-culture-victimhood ) Waking each morning brings with it a inherent risk...... We never know what awaits us upon this day, therefor, for prudence, know where your final destination shall be, that is as good as anyone can expect/do. As Versy shares, a very astute observation, bikes will be ridden more, summer and looking out over the landscape, behind your handlebars, on a warm sunny day, while zipping down the road, is what bike riding is all about.......but you also must keep your guard up even more, because others are out there too, and your risk is greatly enhanced! BE SAFE ALL.....enjoy, but stay engaged at all times! |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/19 at 09:15:33 https://hotair.com/archives/2019/06/27/ice-now-detainer-guy-ran-motorcyclists/ Too late for seven. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by raydawg on 06/27/19 at 09:31:48 534C4A4D50576656665E4C400B390 wrote:
Jog, read the link I posted above. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by batman on 07/03/19 at 05:13:38 the latest, Zhukovskyy it turns out had a record of drug(Conn.) and other traffic related arrests in six states, and Mass. DMV dropped the ball, his license should have been revoked. |
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Title: Re: How awful, heartbreaking, 7 bikers dead. Post by ohiomoto on 07/03/19 at 08:31:58 Yeah, and you wonder about the company employing him. Maybe they didn't realize he was racking up offenses? I guess if the DMV didn't put it together across different states, how are they supposed to know??? I was thinking drugs, but hey didn't charge him with OVI at the scene, and I think he was arrested before they could have processed a toxicology report. Driving without sleep? Texting and driving?? You just wonder what hell happened. |
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