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Title: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/09/19 at 15:10:53 Guns get into the wrong hands. Police seize over a thousand guns, piles of ammunition from Los Angeles home A man in Los Angeles' posh Holmby Hills neighborhood was hiding a stash of weapons large enough to outfit an army. The Los Angeles Police Department busted Girard Damien Saenz, 57, with as many as 1,000 weapons piled up in his home. Authorities also found massive stockpiles of ammunition. ...Saenz apparently was licensed to own weapons -- and there is no prohibition on the number of guns a person can own -- but the person was selling the guns illegally, according to police. Yeah, but hey... Second Amendment.... right? This guy didn't just get these guns overnight. He's probably been doing this for who knows how long. Guess we'll find out. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by pg on 05/09/19 at 15:37:49 Is that frowned upon in California? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/09/19 at 16:46:22 746365696676040 wrote:
Is what frowned upon? Gun ownership? I dunno. I support the Second Amendment. I carry a FOID card. You think it's cool that this guy had that many guns? I don't. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/10/19 at 07:57:41 7B656A6B667B607D0F0 wrote:
By all that Calf has done to eliminate the 2nd, Ray Charles could see, they, HATE guns. I support the Second Amendment. I carry a FOID card. And that works SO WELL, It keeps guns out of the wrong hands. (As recently shown, which was VERY quickly Covered up) You think it's cool that this guy had that many guns? I don't. Does NOT matter how many firearms that person had. It matters what that person did, or intended to do with them. I don't. Again the total, typical, UL, FDS, Socialist attitude. How may golf clubs, hammers, chains, pipe, screwdrivers, etc., etc., etc., does one have. Your, SOCIALIST Government, want's to know ! |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/10/19 at 12:44:57 64477A595B40474E290 wrote:
By all that Calf has done to eliminate the 2nd, Ray Charles could see, they, HATE guns. I support the Second Amendment. I carry a FOID card. And that works SO WELL, It keeps guns out of the wrong hands. (As recently shown, which was VERY quickly Covered up) You think it's cool that this guy had that many guns? I don't. Does NOT matter how many firearms that person had. It matters what that person did, or intended to do with them. I don't. Again the total, typical, UL, FDS, Socialist attitude. How may golf clubs, hammers, chains, pipe, screwdrivers, etc., etc., etc., does one have. Your, SOCIALIST Government, want's to know ![/quote] Wow - a little over the top today, are we mn? Sheesh - eat a cookie and take a nap for Christ's sake... |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/11/19 at 18:29:00 So, TT, I support the Second Amendment. I carry a FOID card. What is the purpose of the second amendment, which you support? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by thumperclone on 05/12/19 at 06:06:05 "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" I define infringed as: not violated regulating firearms is not infringement |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by oldNslow on 05/12/19 at 07:04:42 3A252324393E0F3F0F37252962500 wrote:
Nothing to do with a Foid card, or any other sort of permission from the powers that be. This: The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed — where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once. judge Kozinskis dissent in Silveria vs. Lockyer Not complicated really. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/19 at 07:46:25 I wasn't asking for me. I wanted to see what TT says. But that's the Correct answer. I didn't have it with Doomsday scenario and a judge, Apparently he understood the constitution. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by pg on 05/12/19 at 08:21:58 His father spent 4 years in a concentration camp and he grew up behind the iron curtain. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/12/19 at 15:00:06 322E332B362334252A292823460 wrote:
I disagree. Put a frog in a pan of cold water, then slowly, bring on more regulations ..... |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/12/19 at 15:01:31 617F70717C617A67150 wrote:
Please explain, how, carrying a FOID card, is supporting the 2nd ? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/19 at 16:20:53 203F393E23241525152D3F33784A0 wrote:
TT, you miss it or just don't have an answer? I'm really anxious to know what you think the second amendment is actually about. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by pg on 05/12/19 at 16:34:06 657B747578657E63110 wrote:
I carry..... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/19 at 17:14:20 485751564B4C7D4D7D45575B10220 wrote:
TT, you miss it or just don't have an answer? I'm really anxious to know what you think the second amendment is actually about. [/quote] Still waiting.. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by thumperclone on 05/13/19 at 03:42:35 322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 wrote:
such arrogance |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by Eegore on 05/13/19 at 05:33:51 There's always been a double standard here regarding replying to posts. Nobody replies to every question, but they want all of theirs answered. And life goes on. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 06:12:21 617E787F62655464546C7E72390B0 wrote:
What? What do you mean, "what is the purpose"? If you want to follow the Amendment to the nth degree - then its only to form a "Well regulated militia". I think it's simply a right for an American to own a firearm. I'm not one of those nuts who thinks the government is out to get me. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 06:13:56 7661676B6474060 wrote:
Are you referring to me? Tread lightly if you are..... |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 06:15:08 514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 wrote:
TT, you miss it or just don't have an answer? I'm really anxious to know what you think the second amendment is actually about. [/quote] Still waiting.. [/quote] Hey jog - I have a life outside this little forum. You should try and get one too. So sad that you have to call me out to prove something to yourself. Seriously - get a life. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by pg on 05/13/19 at 06:50:47 3A242B2A273A213C4E0 wrote:
Are you referring to me? Tread lightly if you are.....[/quote] No, I was referring to judge who made the statement. However, I'll be your huckleberry.... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 06:53:37 2037313D3222500 wrote:
Are you referring to me? Tread lightly if you are.....[/quote] No, I was referring to judge who made the statement. However, I'll be your huckleberry.... Best regards,[/quote] No need to go there. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/13/19 at 07:26:00 TT, You Said you support the second amendment. I just asked what you believe it was put into the constitution for. But rather than answer, you pretend that my question is indicative of some kinda weakness. I Really want to understand you better. So, please, answer the question. What is the purpose of the second amendment? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/13/19 at 08:35:47 322C23222F322934460 wrote:
Aw-sum, parrot what you are told to say. Intelligent, thinking people, know different. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/13/19 at 08:50:49 697778797469726F1D0 wrote:
What? What do you mean, "what is the purpose"? If you want to follow the Amendment to the nth degree - then its only to form a "Well regulated militia". I think it's simply a right for an American to own a firearm. I'm not one of those nuts who thinks the government is out to get me.[/quote] I missed that. You're not tracking with the people who wrote the constitution. They knew what tyranny was. They fought against it. They understood that the government they were forming could eventually change and become oppressive and tyrannical, so, in setting the People up as the sovereign and government to answer to and serve the people, they included the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in order to guarantee the People the right to tools that would help them Cast off a tyrannical government. People who have a spare tire aren't crazy paranoids who believe the road is plotting against them. Just because you have driven for years without having a flat doesn't mean you should ditch the spare. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/13/19 at 09:41:57 657B747578657E63110 wrote:
Good for you. So you have dished all/any of your, Smoke Detector's, CO detector's, Fire extinguisher, (Because their might be a Fire) Perimeter alarm, Gun, (Someone might break in) Spare tire, (One on your car may get flat), Seat Belts, (May get in a accident), Health Insurance, (may get sick), Gloves, (May get a sticker in your hand), Sunglasses, (Sun may be to bright), Steel toe boots, (something may drop on you foot), etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., You keep mentioning you have a handgun. Yet, you have not said that you have gotten rid of that. So, again, I will Pay Shipping, send it to a FFL here. After all, your believe is, (as you have stated many times) having one of those things, means a person is, 'paranoid'. It could not possibility mean, any one of those things, 'Protects' you. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 09:44:09 435C5A5D40477646764E5C501B290 wrote:
Already answered. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 09:47:58 2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
What? What do you mean, "what is the purpose"? If you want to follow the Amendment to the nth degree - then its only to form a "Well regulated militia". I think it's simply a right for an American to own a firearm. I'm not one of those nuts who thinks the government is out to get me.[/quote] I missed that. You're not tracking with the people who wrote the constitution. They knew what tyranny was. They fought against it. They understood that the government they were forming could eventually change and become oppressive and tyrannical, so, in setting the People up as the sovereign and government to answer to and serve the people, they included the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in order to guarantee the People the right to tools that would help them Cast off a tyrannical government. Hey jog - I'm not sure if you know this or not, but that was 230 years ago... Ya think things might have changed a little since then? Maybe just a little? People who have a spare tire aren't crazy paranoids who believe the road is plotting against them. Just because you have driven for years without having a flat doesn't mean you should ditch the spare. [/quote] But on the other hand, those who keep their guns to protect themselves from a "tyrannical US government" are nuts - in my opinion. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 09:50:24 63407D5E5C4740492E0 wrote:
Good for you. So you have dished all/any of your, Smoke Detector's, CO detector's, Fire extinguisher, (Because their might be a Fire) Perimeter alarm, Gun, (Someone might break in) Spare tire, (One on your car may get flat), Seat Belts, (May get in a accident), Health Insurance, (may get sick), Gloves, (May get a sticker in your hand), Sunglasses, (Sun may be to bright), Steel toe boots, (something may drop on you foot), etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., You keep mentioning you have a handgun. Yet, you have not said that you have gotten rid of that. So, again, I will Pay Shipping, send it to a FFL here. After all, your believe is, (as you have stated many times) having one of those things, means a person is, 'paranoid'. It could not possibility mean, any one of those things, 'Protects' you. [/quote] Not sure what the hell you're even trying to say mn. Your post makes no sense to me. To be clear, I have a gun - not for the sole purpose of protection, but mostly for sport. I don't live in fear. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/13/19 at 10:01:13 2F313E3F322F34295B0 wrote:
Interesting. I have a couple of firearms. Some, for Defense, the majority for Sport. Yet it is the SPORT firearms, you and the rest of the 'Gun-Banners' want to take away. Just the same as, I don't like Golf, you do like Golf. Yet I say, 'YOU can't Golf, because I say, Golf is NOT a Sport' ! Not sure what the hell you're even trying to say mn. Your post makes no sense to me. I'll, T Y P E S L O W E R next time. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 10:25:41 03201D3E3C2720294E0 wrote:
Interesting. I have a couple of firearms. Some, for Defense, the majority for Sport. Yet it is the SPORT firearms, you and the rest of the 'Gun-Banners' want to take away. Just the same as, I don't like Golf, you do like Golf. Yet I say, 'YOU can't Golf, because I say, Golf is NOT a Sport' ! Not sure what the hell you're even trying to say mn. Your post makes no sense to me. I'll, T Y P E S L O W E R next time. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote] It's not about the speed in which you type, it's the context of your cryptic posts mn. They all look like ransom notes... At any rate, to play off your comment of sport guns. How much "sport" is there with semi-autos with bump stocks? How much "sport" is there with gigantic banana clips? How much "sport" is there with incendiary rounds? Where's all the "sport" in using a fully automatic gun? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/13/19 at 11:31:18 2E303F3E332E35285A0 wrote:
Gee, thanks for PROVING the point, AGAIN. What do you think about Golf ... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 11:50:44 5A794467657E7970170 wrote:
Gee, thanks for PROVING the point, AGAIN. What do you think about Golf ... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] What about golf? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/13/19 at 14:25:41 4F515E5F524F54493B0 wrote:
Whoa - how pathetic it is that you feel every post is about, YOU ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 14:36:42 75566B484A51565F380 wrote:
Whoa - how pathetic it is that you feel every post is about, YOU ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote] Well, I asked to be certain, didn't I? You see, unlike you, I don't ASSume all the time. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by WebsterMark on 05/13/19 at 14:47:04 At any rate, to play off your comment of sport guns. How much "sport" is there with semi-autos with bump stocks? How much "sport" is there with gigantic banana clips? How much "sport" is there with incendiary rounds? Where's all the "sport" in using a fully automatic gun? Actually, pretty darn fun! Ever unload a full clip out of an AR? Freaking awesome! I cut a tree in freaking half once! |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 14:54:11 477572636475625D71627B100 wrote:
Like I said, where's the sport in that? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/13/19 at 15:20:23 514F40414C514A57250 wrote:
What's your Opinion on Golf ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by Serowbot on 05/13/19 at 15:38:36 It's a great way to ruin a perfectly good walk... |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/13/19 at 16:38:39 5A4C5B465E4B465D290 wrote:
That's your opinion, and it's fine. You do know their are people that LOVE Golf, And quoting that statement, which has been attributed to Leopold, Emerson, Clemons, Churchill, makes their skin crawl. Never heard you say: "BAN GOLF" Have heard: "BAN GUNS", because, 'some', don't like them. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 17:32:56 4D6E537072696E67000 wrote:
That's your opinion, and it's fine. You do know their are people that LOVE Golf, And quoting that statement, which has been attributed to Leopold, Emerson, Clemons, Churchill, makes their skin crawl. Never heard you say: "BAN GOLF" Have heard: "BAN GUNS", because, 'some', don't like them. [/quote] What's your point mn? Why are you so paranoid to have any restrictions at all on guns? You think that the government's gonna come and get you? :D Further, no one on this forum has ever said we should ban guns. Maybe ban the sale of certain guns and accessories. But no one has ever said "ban all guns". |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/13/19 at 17:52:00 283639383528332E5C0 wrote:
LOL Gotta love your SPIN and CYA'ing tt Which Is It ? Is is, 'Ban Guns' or is it, 'Ban All Guns'. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/13/19 at 17:56:00 74576A494B50575E390 wrote:
LOL Gotta love your SPIN and CYA'ing tt Which Is It ? Is is, 'Ban Guns' or is it, 'Ban All Guns'. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Well mn - no one on here has ever said either - not that I can find. No one's ever said "ban guns" or "ban all guns". To be clear - the phrase "ban guns" means to ban all guns unless there's a stipulation made. Like "ban automatic guns". |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/13/19 at 18:51:52 Mr. And Mrs. America Turn them all in. Democrats WANT TO BAN, AS IN REMOVE ALL GUNS. Trump dodged a bullet for America when he ditched the u.n. small arms deal. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by Eegore on 05/13/19 at 19:00:55 "Democrats WANT TO BAN, AS IN REMOVE ALL GUNS." Any references on that? I have never seen this either. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/13/19 at 20:09:02 Mr. And Mrs. America Turn them all in. Look it up. Do you need an In your face Absolute statement of intent before you are able to see? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/14/19 at 06:18:09 36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote:
Once again jog - you miss the CONTEXT. Why are you so willfully ignorant? http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2016/jan/15/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-misfires-feinstein-gun-claim/ |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by verslagen1 on 05/14/19 at 08:03:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/14/19 at 08:36:46 243720213E3335373C63520 wrote:
Yeah - ASSAULT RIFLES - NOT ALL GUNS. Context..... |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/19 at 08:48:14 SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED Again, just because YOU and your lefty buddies don't see Why the second amendment exists doesn't mean others don't. You're skeert of what the gun looks like I guess. Remove it and idiots will grab a shotgun or a Ruger22, then you will be screaming to ban whatever is the most common gun idiots use. Gee, this last Event was using what? And how loud are lefties screaming? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by verslagen1 on 05/14/19 at 10:53:10 5F414E4F425F44592B0 wrote:
Yeah - ASSAULT RIFLES - NOT ALL GUNS. Context.....[/quote] You say that like she has a clue what an assault rifle is... Quote:
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/14/19 at 11:16:12 485751564B4C7D4D7D45575B10220 wrote:
Yeah - again, this coming from a guy who thinks that Sandy Hook was faked. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/14/19 at 11:18:07 6C7F6869767B7D7F742B1A0 wrote:
Yeah - ASSAULT RIFLES - NOT ALL GUNS. Context.....[/quote] You say that like she has a clue what an assault rifle is... Quote:
Again, context. She was using examples of magazine sizes. Face it vers - she never said "take all guns". That's a lie. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/19 at 11:46:40 362827262B362D30420 wrote:
Yeah - again, this coming from a guy who thinks that Sandy Hook was faked.[/quote] That's relevant exactly HOW? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/14/19 at 13:13:01 233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:
Yeah - again, this coming from a guy who thinks that Sandy Hook was faked.[/quote] That's relevant exactly HOW?[/quote] Relevant in that the statement by di-fi wasn't taken in context. You purposefully twisted her words to fit your narrative. Quoting you: "Mr. And Mrs. America Turn them all in. Look it up. Do you need an In your face Absolute statement of intent before you are able to see?" At best you're lying..... |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/19 at 15:37:15 I didn't take her words out of context. She couldn't get the votes. Taking the guns Is what she wants. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by Eegore on 05/14/19 at 16:17:59 Taking assault weapons is what she was talking about in that quote. Very specifically the content of that discussion was assault style weapons. By saying that it does not make me a Feinstein supporter, it just means I can watch a video and see what a conversation is about. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by pg on 05/14/19 at 16:28:45 The original assault rifle. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONot7ujoxfc[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONot7ujoxfc Best regards, |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/19 at 16:38:59 Like I said Erase from history every AR15 and clone. The next killer uses something else. The last Event Used pistols. But that's not slowing down the push against those scary military style weapons, which, BTW, are Exactly the type of weapon American citizens are Guaranteed the Right to Keep and Bear. The crazies can be dissuaded by allowing teachers and staff to exercise Their Constitutional rights and carry in order to protect themselves and their students. Why am I wrong for Not wanting to go further down the road that doesn't work? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by Eegore on 05/14/19 at 16:50:19 "Why am I wrong for Not wanting to go further down the road that doesn't work?" I don't think you're wrong regarding that. I do think you are wrong when you say Democrats, or anyone in office have stated clearly they want to remove every gun from every US citizen. Or "Ban All Guns". I've not seen evidence of anyone saying to Ban All, (as in every single), Guns. As for AR-15 clones you are correct, the method will change. Pistols typically give victims a higher survival rate, so that's why most the people I know would like AR's and similar removed from common sale. Its the rate of potentially lethal projectile per second that is the issue. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/19 at 19:26:56 that's why most the people I know would like AR's and similar removed from common sale. Everyone in that group fails to understand the second amendment. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by oldNslow on 05/14/19 at 20:22:46 Quote:
And you never will, unless they slip up and let the cat out of the bag accidentally. That would be politically unwise. That doesn't mean however that complete disarmament of everyone that is not an agent of the government is precisely what a lot of them do want. They understand that they can't accomplish that in one fell swoop. They have to do it incrementally. So they lie. They use phrases like "commom sense gun laws" "making people feel safe" "if it saves just one life" "military style assault rifles", cop killer bullets, and on and on. And of course there is my own personal favorite: " I am a gun owner, but ..." When you hear that one from a politician you can be quite sure that a shovel load of bullcr*p is coming your way. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/15/19 at 07:02:58 4C5355524F4879497941535F14260 wrote:
All the guns jog? No. But you implied that. You lied. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by verslagen1 on 05/15/19 at 07:54:32 4B6B69617C6B0E0 wrote:
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/hawaii-democrats-want-us-congress-consider-repeal-second-amendment |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/15/19 at 08:35:53 0A3435392B3736580 wrote:
The Gun Haters, KNOW: '...Put a frog in a pan of cold water, then slowly raise the heat' |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/15/19 at 08:56:04 150611100F0204060D52630 wrote:
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/hawaii-democrats-want-us-congress-consider-repeal-second-amendment[/quote] Well vers - that's a nonsense headline. If you read past it, you'd see: "consider and discuss whether the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be repealed or amended to clarify that the right to bear arms is a collective, rather than individual, constitutional right." |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by verslagen1 on 05/15/19 at 09:20:47 617F70717C617A67150 wrote:
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/hawaii-democrats-want-us-congress-consider-repeal-second-amendment[/quote] Well vers - that's a nonsense headline. If you read past it, you'd see: [color=#0000ff]"consider and discuss whether the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be repealed or amended to clarify that the right to bear arms is a collective, rather than individual, constitutional right."[/color][/quote] That's not what was asked. He stated "I do think you are wrong when you say Democrats, or anyone in office have stated clearly they want to remove every gun from every US citizen. Or "Ban All Guns"." It's pretty clear that the democrats of hawaii want to at a minimum remove the individuals right to own a gun. Or is that too complex for you? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/15/19 at 09:29:11 23302726393432303B64550 wrote:
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/hawaii-democrats-want-us-congress-consider-repeal-second-amendment[/quote] Well vers - that's a nonsense headline. If you read past it, you'd see: "consider and discuss whether the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be repealed or amended to clarify that the right to bear arms is a collective, rather than individual, constitutional right." That's not what was asked. He stated "I do think you are wrong when you say Democrats, or anyone in office have stated clearly they want to remove every gun from every US citizen. Or "Ban All Guns"." It's pretty clear that the democrats of hawaii want to at a minimum remove the individuals right to own a gun. Or is that too complex for you?[/quote] LOL - that's not at all what this article was about. Did you even read it??? A resolution introduced in the Hawaii Senate this week urges the U.S. Congress to "consider and discuss whether the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be repealed or amended to clarify that the right to bear arms is a collective, rather than individual, constitutional right." The resolution also urges Congress to adopt a proposed constitutional amendment "to clarify the constitutional right to bear arms." The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June 2008 that the Second Amendment "protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home." The 5-4 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller also stated, "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited." The Hawaii Senate resolution has been referred to committee and no hearings are scheduled at this time. Of Hawaii's 25 state senators, only one is Republican. The rest are Democrats. In a statement on its website, the National Rifle Association said, "This resolution shows a gross disregard for individual liberties that the United States was founded upon." The U.S. Supreme Court's Heller decision also referenced the founding of the nation, noting that the "militia" in those days "comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. According to the ruling: "The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved." The court found that the District of Columbia's prohibition on the possession of usable handguns in the home violated the Second Amendment. In the U.S. Congress, the Democrat-led House has acted quickly on its first major gun legislation, passing H.R. 8, the "Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019," late last month. The bill would make it illegal for any person who is not a licensed firearm importer, manufacturer, or dealer to transfer a firearm to any other person who is not so licensed without a background check. In other words, all private gun sales would have to go through a licensed firearms dealer before the transfer could be finalized. The NRA called the bill "misguided and ineffective legislation that is designed to score political points, not address crime, violence or mental health." It has no chance of becoming law at this time, with Republicans in control of the Senate and the White House. Even that conservative rag cns couldn't lie... it's about restriction, not banning. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by verslagen1 on 05/15/19 at 09:37:55 Yes, it is too complex for you. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/15/19 at 10:49:06 445740415E5355575C03320 wrote:
T&T: Look at this picture of a Zebra: http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/34900000/Zebra-animals-34914901-586-391.jpg vers: That's an alligator. T&T: Huh? Are we looking at the same pic? vers: It's too complex for you. T&T: What?..... It's clearly a zebra! vers: You just don't understand. T&T: :-? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by verslagen1 on 05/15/19 at 11:25:18 I'm sorry I can't talk at a kindergarten level for you. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/15/19 at 12:30:15 544750514E4345474C13220 wrote:
OK then, professor - show me where, in that article that you referenced, does it say "ban all guns". Should be easy, since you're sooooo smart, right? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by verslagen1 on 05/15/19 at 12:40:24 170906070A170C11630 wrote:
OK then, professor - show me where, in that article that you referenced, does it say "ban all guns". Should be easy, since you're sooooo smart, right?[/quote] That's not what I crappity smacking said stooge. Quote:
Again At a minimum remove the individuals right to own a gun. And I will add, that democrats will not stop until the 2nd is repealed to ban all weapons. That much has been said by a politician... I just can't remember who. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by Eegore on 05/15/19 at 12:59:19 It could be a step, but by definition I would not say this is a request to remove all firearms from the civilian population. I do not feel that mandated gun registration equates to firearm removal, or similar tactics. BE IT RESOLVED by the Senate of the Thirtieth Legislature of the State of Hawaii, Regular Session of 2019, the House of Representatives concurring, that the United States Congress is urged to propose and adopt a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution pursuant to article V of the United States Constitution to clarify the constitutional right to bear arms; and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the United States Congress is requested to consider and discuss whether the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be repealed or amended to clarify that the right to bear arms is a collective, rather than individual, constitutional right; and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that certified copies of this Concurrent Resolution be transmitted to the President Pro Tempore of the United States Senate, Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, Members of the Hawaii congressional delegation, and the Governor. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/15/19 at 14:16:19 647760617E7375777C23120 wrote:
OK then, professor - show me where, in that article that you referenced, does it say "ban all guns". Should be easy, since you're sooooo smart, right?[/quote] That's not what I crappity smacking said stooge. Quote:
Again At a minimum remove the individuals right to own a gun. - LMAO - how is that not a ban???? Tell us, genius! And I will add, that democrats will not stop until the 2nd is repealed to ban all weapons. That much has been said by a politician... I just can't remember who.[/quote] Nice cursing by the way - you, being an admin, should know better. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by Eegore on 05/15/19 at 16:55:02 "Nice cursing by the way - you, being an admin, should know better." Where does it say profanity is prohibited by admins? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/16/19 at 06:00:48 634341495443260 wrote:
Nowhere. However, I would think that being an admin, one might conduct themselves with a little more restraint. Further, it's a futile effort, given the filtering - and if anyone should know that, it'd be an admin. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by verslagen1 on 05/16/19 at 07:55:35 Nice deflection, I guess you realize you were wrong. ;D |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/16/19 at 08:10:16 263522233C3137353E61500 wrote:
Deflection? Not at all. In fact, I highlighted your response. Did you miss it? Here it is again: "At a minimum remove the individuals right to own a gun. " That's not what the article - or any democrat has said. Do you know what "at a minimum" means? Seems you're having trouble defending yourself. Have a cookie and a nap - that might help. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by verslagen1 on 05/16/19 at 08:13:41 Oh my, you really do lack comprehension skills don't you. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/16/19 at 08:57:37 42514647585553515A05340 wrote:
In your mind, you want me to. But as anyone reading this thread, they can see that's not the case. So, vers, maybe you should recant. Or not - I don't really care - but don't blame others for what you lack. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by verslagen1 on 05/16/19 at 09:12:05 657661607F7274767D22130 wrote:
It's pretty clear that the democrats of hawaii wants to at a minimum remove the individuals right to own a gun. [/quote] So you'd say that my statement does not characterize the former? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/16/19 at 09:47:11 594A5D5C434E484A411E2F0 wrote:
It's pretty clear that the democrats of hawaii wants to at a minimum remove the individuals right to own a gun. [/quote] So you'd say that my statement does not characterize the former?[/quote] No. Break it down: consider and discuss whether the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be repealed or amended to clarify that the right to bear arms is a collective, rather than individual, constitutional right They are not talking "at a minimum removing the rights". That's a discussion point. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by MnSpring on 05/16/19 at 10:31:43 627C73727F627964160 wrote:
Interesting way to word something. If, banning/removal was not first on the minds of the UL FDS (That was just for Bot) Why put, 'repealed' first ? Why not say: ' ...the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be amended OR, repealed ...' Would that have a different meaning. Or would that be a, 'threat', as in, 'do this, or I will do that' ? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by verslagen1 on 05/16/19 at 10:38:24 706E61606D706B76040 wrote:
It's pretty clear that the democrats of hawaii wants to at a minimum remove the individuals right to own a gun. [/quote] So you'd say that my statement does not characterize the former?[/quote] No. Break it down: consider and discuss whether the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be repealed or amended to clarify that the right to bear arms is a collective, rather than individual, constitutional right They are not talking "at a minimum removing the rights". That's a discussion point. [/quote] Quote:
That's not a minimum is it... that's hawaii demo's dancing with glee thru the night. I have not discussed that... it's the maximum. Quote:
That is the minimum in the statement. Is that clear or would you like another lollypop? |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/16/19 at 13:14:31 62716667787573717A25140 wrote:
It's pretty clear that the democrats of hawaii wants to at a minimum remove the individuals right to own a gun. [/quote] So you'd say that my statement does not characterize the former?[/quote] No. Break it down: consider and discuss whether the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be repealed or amended to clarify that the right to bear arms is a collective, rather than individual, constitutional right They are not talking "at a minimum removing the rights". That's a discussion point. [/quote] Quote:
That's not a minimum is it... that's hawaii demo's dancing with glee thru the night. I have not discussed that... it's the maximum. Quote:
That is the minimum in the statement. Is that clear or would you like another lollypop?[/quote] No thanks - I don't like ayn rand lollypops.... |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by Eegore on 05/16/19 at 18:07:17 "However, I would think that being an admin, one might conduct themselves with a little more restraint." Interesting you would think that given you prefer equality and all. |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/17/19 at 06:22:54 6B4B49415C4B2E0 wrote:
Touché! I guess I should have explained it better. That was meant to be taken lightly. True, I "prefer equality and all", but these same people who blame me for "ruining" this forum are the same ones who act (in some cases) worse than I do. Now, on this particular thread, I never once swore at another poster. (Well, I used the phrase "for Christ's sake" in exasperation). But one of the admins who is clearly angry with me used a curse word and called me a "stooge". Where's his justification in doing that? This is the kind of hypocrisy that everyone can see, but the conservative members of this forum ignore. I don't really care what they call me, I'm a big boy, I can take it. But what gets me is that they in turn, blame me for the actions they themselves are doing. Am I terse? Yep. Am I snarky? Yes! Did I "ruin" this forum? No. I simply brought another perspective - just like you did Eegore. The problem is that the "old timers" on here can't stand being brought to task. That's on them, not me (or you). |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/17/19 at 07:21:08 these same people who blame me for "ruining" this forum are the same ones who act (in some cases) worse than I do. Look up Retribution You don't get near the ugly someone like you deserves |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by T And T Garage on 05/17/19 at 09:05:23 37282E2934330232023A28246F5D0 wrote:
Hey jog - thanks for proving my point! Well done! |
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Title: Re: This Is How - Post by Eegore on 05/17/19 at 11:58:40 "Look up Retribution" Interesting that a motorcycle forum would even consider this a thing. |
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