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Title: Measles Post by WebsterMark on 03/13/19 at 04:50:33 Is this measles outbreak created by illegal immigration? How would we know? We can't trust the mainstream media to research and publish the data. It would go against their narrative so they'd censor it. (look what how they handled Climategate) If Fox did the work, the liberal media and entertainment culture would trash it 24/7. So how do we know? Does the CDC or some other organization publish that data? |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by WebsterMark on 03/13/19 at 04:57:27 Well they do. Somewhat. They easily point out Orthodox Jews and Amish. Would they say Central and South America immigrants if that were the case? https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html Interesting line from the report. Eighty-two people brought measles to the U.S. from other countries in 2018. This is the greatest number of imported cases since measles was eliminated from the U.S. in 2000. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/13/19 at 07:27:06 B.F.D. , measles, when I was a kid moms took the babies to Visit when someone had measles. Get them and get done with it. Not good for adults, at all. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by verslagen1 on 03/13/19 at 07:40:34 They came in on a flight so I doubt that it was illegal entry. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/13/19 at 08:14:13 LOL - classic conservative talking point! FEAR THE MEASLES - FEAR THE IMMIGRANTS!!! smh For once, vers makes sense - you may want to listen to him mark... That and talk to your anti-vaxxer foil hat crowd. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by WebsterMark on 03/13/19 at 09:04:12 Are we saying it's unreasonable to make the assumption that illegal immigrants are more likely to carry measles and other diseases ? Seems like not making that assumption is unreasonable. Which is my point, its taboo to even bring that up. How can we expect the MSM to report accurately on the topic? |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by LostArtist on 03/13/19 at 11:07:58 if you got vaccinated... what's the problem?? |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/13/19 at 11:10:08 586A6D7C7B6A7D426E7D640F0 wrote:
No, it's not unreasonable, but it's fear mongering. Just as many cases could be tied back to the anti-vaxxing crowd. Why not call attention to that? Further, there are US citizens that travel abroad that can also be carriers. Why not call attention to that? Why not just say that there's a spike in measles this year due to a myriad of factors? I know why - it's easy to blame the "terrible immigrants". Conservative politics 101. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by WebsterMark on 03/13/19 at 11:16:29 Why not just say that there's a spike in measles this year due to a myriad of factors? Why are you afraid of listing all the factors? |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/13/19 at 11:30:18 4A787F6E69786F507C6F761D0 wrote:
I'm not - I'm condoning it. http://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/whats-causing-2019-measles-outbreak-symptoms-perfcon |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by WebsterMark on 03/13/19 at 11:38:38 Do we have an increase in those who did not get vaccinated or do we have an increase in those with measles infecting those who didn't get vaccinated? |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/13/19 at 11:57:30 033136272031261935263F540 wrote:
Chicken or the egg? http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/child/measles.html |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by MnSpring on 03/13/19 at 12:04:50 756B646568756E73010 wrote:
Would that be similar to a, Nut Case, getting a gun, (AFTER a very, anti-gun State cleared him), then the Anti-Gun, Gun-Banners, saying things like. 'Ban Guns it will Stop Crime'. tt, say hypocrite ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by WebsterMark on 03/13/19 at 12:46:06 I don't know if its the chicken or the egg. I do know we can remove one of them from the equation so why shouldn't we do that to eliminate the risk? By the way, this is the same argument used against those who don't believe climate change poses the risk we're being told. The argument goes that even if it's not a significant risk, we should take steps to reduced greenhouse gases because, as a side benefit, it reduces pollution so regardless, there is a benefit. A variation of Pascal's Gamble I suppose. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by Eegore on 03/13/19 at 13:43:32 For me the question is how many children are we willing to accept as fatal outcomes before we are willing to say a vaccine is required. In the US measles related complications are typical: Hospitalization is 1 in 4 cases. Swelling of the brain 1 in 1000 cases. Death 1 in 1000 cases. https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html There was one documented measles death in 2015 in the US. Is that dead child enough to say "we should have prevented that particular death from that particular disease"? This statement is not intended to guarantee the child, who was otherwise healthy, would have lived, it just means they would not have died specifically from measles. Most people I have talked to don't think measles can kill. Of the people I know who don't think measles vaccination is a big deal have not had or known anyone that has had a child die from them. So since only 1 in 1000 unvaccinated children die from measles is that a low enough mortality rate to consider a vaccination unnecessary? |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/13/19 at 14:24:18 587B4665677C7B72150 wrote:
Would that be similar to a, Nut Case, getting a gun, (AFTER a very, anti-gun State cleared him), then the Anti-Gun, Gun-Banners, saying things like. 'Ban Guns it will Stop Crime'. tt, say hypocrite ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] No. In fact, it's nothing like that. Your statement is stupid. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by Eegore on 03/13/19 at 14:39:22 "Would that be similar to a, Nut Case, getting a gun, (AFTER a very, anti-gun State cleared him), then the Anti-Gun, Gun-Banners, saying things like. 'Ban Guns it will Stop Crime'." No. This is not similar. There is no vaccination for violence. You can in it's entirety eliminate measles from a control group as long as you use a vaccine within that control group as it takes two or more unvaccinated people to spread the disease. You can not come close to doing that with guns or gun violence, or violence in general. What I want to know is what is the acceptable mortality level for a 100% preventable disease? |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/13/19 at 14:42:56 063433222534231C30233A510 wrote:
No, in fact, it's not the same at all - at least not how you posit. Here's how they're actually similar: Climate change - that is to say, humans doing harm to the environment - is the result of negligence. The measles outbreak that is occurring is the direct result of people not vaccinating their kids (negligence). To say that we should think about banning travel/immigration because of some parents' negligence would only allow more parents to be negligent. There is no "if" in either climate change or measles. The direct results speak for themselves. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by MnSpring on 03/13/19 at 15:17:19 5777757D6077120 wrote:
That post is a direct response to the hypocrite response of the tt, who blame the Conservatives for, "but it's fear mongering". It is about the tt saying: "classic conservative talking point! FEAR THE MEASLES - FEAR THE IMMIGRANTS!!!" and, "it's easy to blame the "terrible immigrants. Conservative politics 101", blaming Conservatives for, "fear mongering". When the UL Socialist Gun Haters do it all the time. Again tt can you say: hypocrite ! |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/19 at 05:21:38 587B4665677C7B72150 wrote:
That post is a direct response to the hypocrite response of the tt, who blame the Conservatives for, "but it's fear mongering". It is about the tt saying: "classic conservative talking point! FEAR THE MEASLES - FEAR THE IMMIGRANTS!!!" and, "it's easy to blame the "terrible immigrants. Conservative politics 101", blaming Conservatives for, "fear mongering". When the UL Socialist Gun Haters do it all the time. Again tt can you say: hypocrite ! [/quote] I find it funny that you accuse others of being "snowflakes", yet you react like a snowflake all the time. You point your finger and say "but...but... TT said this..." LOL Speaking of you referencing me - are you addressing me directly - or are you calling me an "it"? Get your story straight mn. I'm either a person or a thing. However, maybe it's because your really that dumb and don't know how to structure a sentence. So, which is it? Are you that stupid, or are you calling me an "it"? |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by WebsterMark on 03/14/19 at 05:35:04 No, in fact, it's not the same at all - at least not how you posit. Here's how they're actually similar: Climate change - that is to say, humans doing harm to the environment - is the result of negligence. No, it is not negligence. Fossil fuels have civilized the entire planet and made life tolerable for billions. it is not negligent to live. The measles outbreak that is occurring is the direct result of people not vaccinating their kids (negligence). Not necessarily. You don't know that. You say that for political reasons. My question, which will not be researched or if it is and found true, will not published is: have those who don't vaccinate contracted measles at the same given rate over a period of time or has it increased? If so, can that increase be traced to illegal immigrants. To say that we should think about banning travel/immigration because of some parents' negligence would only allow more parents to be negligent. I never said travel. You said that as lie to this position look unreasonable. I said illegal immigration. There is no "if" in either climate change or measles. The direct results speak for themselves. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/19 at 06:19:14 5F6D6A7B7C6D7A45697A63080 wrote:
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Title: Re: Measles Post by MnSpring on 03/14/19 at 07:01:06 5E404F4E435E45582A0 wrote:
Great, you have given all a choice. I know a 'Socialist', is a person, and, 'Socialism', is a thing. Please tell, is a, 'Troll' a person or a thing ? Oh, when are you sending the Bobber. You have the skill to build one, you can build another one. (Just like the commercial, where the girl has the skill to write, yet she is to share that skill) I don't have one, nor the skill to build one. Don't you want us all, to be, equal ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/19 at 08:11:19 1B380526243F3831560 wrote:
Great, you have given all a choice. I know a 'Socialist', is a person, and, 'Socialism', is a thing. Please tell, is a, 'Troll' a person or a thing ? Oh, when are you sending the Bobber. You have the skill to build one, you can build another one. (Just like the commercial, where the girl has the skill to write, yet she is to share that skill) I don't have one, nor the skill to build one. Don't you want us all, to be, equal ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] My God, you're an idiot. There simply is no other way to describe you. I seriously don't know why I (or anyone) bothers with you. Tell you what mn - post your name, address and phone number right here and maybe I really will send you a bobber. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by WebsterMark on 03/14/19 at 08:40:14 So did whaling... how's that going? Whale oil was the best option at the time. it was replaced by market demand, not hoax science forced down our throats. If more refuse to vaccinate, more will get measles... why is that so hard to understand? Immigrants don't enter into it. How do you know immigrants don't enter into it? We know for a fact healthcare if far less common in the nations they are coming from. We know vaccinations are far less common. Why wouldn't it follow that illegal immigrants who setting in communities are infecting non-vaccinated Americans in numbers greater than we've seen historically. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/19 at 09:03:42 0A383F2E29382F103C2F365D0 wrote:
Well mark - if you refuse reason, then just look at the stats. There’s been a 76 percent decline in the number of southwest border apprehensions between the peak in 2000 and 2018. (PEW Research) So, the only outstanding factor is vaccination. Less are being vaccinated, more are contracting. 1+1 will always equal 2. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by Eegore on 03/14/19 at 16:26:29 "If more refuse to vaccinate, more will get measles... why is that so hard to understand? Immigrants don't enter into it." This is statistically false. Volumes of in-depth research is available regarding the spread of disease in "undeveloped" nations in respect to introduction to "developed" nations. Why do you think mainstream media can capitalize content on things like "swine flu, cholera, or ebola"? Why does the WHO focus on vaccination in third world areas and prioritize based off of patterns of international travel? The logic that less vaccination = more cases of preventable disease is universal. That logic, which is proven accurate, and has been for hundreds of years, does not discriminate by geographical borders and governmental claims of such borders. Introduction of disease is simply introduction. So if immigrants come into any area and are not vaccinated the probability of disease increases because immigrants are part of the source of introduction. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by MnSpring on 03/14/19 at 20:14:11 3C222D2C213C273A480 wrote:
WOW, remove the word, 'Maybe', then, 'Maybe' I will ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Then their is this: My God, you're an idiot. When did you start believing, in a God ? |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/15/19 at 06:40:52 4F6F6D65786F0A0 wrote:
Fair points Eegore. However, the question posed is regarding this recent measles outbreak. Washington state reported a large number of outbreaks that had nothing to do with immigrants and more to do with kids exposed to the virus that weren't vaccinated. I'm not saying that it has no effect - of course it would. But equally "dangerous" are those visiting legally. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/15/19 at 06:42:51 0F2C1132302B2C25420 wrote:
WOW, remove the word, 'Maybe', then, 'Maybe' I will ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Then their is this: My God, you're an idiot. When did you start believing, in a God ? [/quote] I'll answer your question about God when you answer this: When will you ever learn how to use the right version of "there, they're and their"? |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by Eegore on 03/15/19 at 07:02:42 "However, the question posed is regarding this recent measles outbreak. Washington state reported a large number of outbreaks that had nothing to do with immigrants and more to do with kids exposed to the virus that weren't vaccinated. I'm not saying that it has no effect - of course it would. But equally "dangerous" are those visiting legally" I agree. This recent case is as far as anyone knows exclusively introduced by US citizens. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by Trippah on 03/15/19 at 07:31:40 What are the lasting side effects of the swelling of the brain, if any. The CDC is pointing out that if everyone gets the measles vaccination, then a visit (legal or illegal) by an infected person will not cause any infections - a sensible goal. To those who decline vaccinating their children, the parent bears the moral responsibility if their child dies or becomes "damaged" and in fact should bear the financial responsibility also. Measles in adults is a follow up issue, as unvaccinated chillens might grow up and if they are infected, the results can be devastating. |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by MnSpring on 03/15/19 at 15:07:43 5E404F4E435E45582A0 wrote:
there, they’re, their, now. Don’t get Panties in a bunch. What, are your hypocritical statements, getting under your Skin ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/15/19 at 15:23:45 2E0D3013110A0D04630 wrote:
there, they’re, their, now. Don’t get Panties in a bunch. What, are your hypocritical statements, getting under your Skin ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D[/quote] My hypocritical statements? Where's your proof? (I tell you what mn, you go find some examples and I might just give you that bobber) But once again, you're turning into more of a bother than you're worth. You offer nothing to the conversation, you make no sense most of the time, you constantly hijack threads and you have zero grasp of the issues. At this point, you've become nothing more than a small bit of entertainment or curiosity. It's a good thing vers is your buddy, he might call you a troll otherwise... |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by MnSpring on 03/19/19 at 10:11:12 5F414E4F425F44592B0 wrote:
LOL Dhar's that word, 'might' again. tt, how many times can you pet a rattlesnake, and it, 'might', not bite you ? |
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Title: Re: Measles Post by T And T Garage on 03/19/19 at 10:19:45 7754694A4853545D3A0 wrote:
LOL Dhar's that word, 'might' again. tt, how many times can you pet a rattlesnake, and it, 'might', not bite you ? [/quote] How about you answer the question, genius? "My hypocritical statements? Where's your proof?" |
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