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Title: AOC Post by WebsterMark on 03/01/19 at 09:49:47 My take on AOC. Amazing, astounding, a ‘broke the mold’ personality. Can’t think of any politician in my lifetime with such an instant appeal with no credentials that warrant such appeal, with the possible exception of Obama, but he's not in her league. If she walked in my office looking for a sales job, I’d hire her immediately, fire half my others and move her to the front of the line. I have some training to do with new hires and I’m going to find video of her talks and use them as an example of how to talk to people. She’s perfect at it. Eye contact, square shoulders, confident voice, a natural ability to draw attention to her. Those of us without that natural ability to draw attention can improve through certain techniques, but no one can fake that.   And it’s not her looks. She’s attractive but not so much so that’s what it is. Some people have “the look” that can’t be defined, but everyone knows it when they see it. Trump has that. It doesn't matter if you agree with him or not, you are drawn to him, even you who hate him. In fact part of the reason you do hate him is because he draws you to him.  Its why he's been a public figure for decades. There were plenty of real estate millionaires,  but he took it to the next level. He wasn't a regular on Stern because he was a millionaire, he was a regular because people wanted to hear from him. Others, like Mark Cuban wish they had what Trump and AOC have, but they don't. Some people have it, some people don't. Now, she’s wrong on virtually everything but like Obama, that doesn’t really matter. She’s going places. All Republican’s should be terrified of her and her Democratic colleagues better quickly decide to be one of her minions or their fate is sealed, it’s not a matter of if but when she’ll crush those in her party who go against her.

Title: Re: AOC Post by Eegore on 03/01/19 at 10:29:59  I haven't been following her until recently when she indicated that marijuana, which is legalized where my primary residence is, should be structured around affirmative action.  From what I know this means restricting licenses which there is a limited amount, to owners of specific races.  If 99% of licenses are held by White Males and law is restructured to a 50% maximum then how will the decision be made of who has to close or sell their businesses?  Its a hard thing to implement afterwards.

Title: Re: AOC Post by oldNslow on 03/01/19 at 11:20:12 725250584552370 wrote:  I haven't been following her until recently when she indicated that marijuana, which is legalized where my primary residence is, should be structured around affirmative action.  From what I know this means restricting licenses which there is a limited amount, to owners of specific races.  If 99% of licenses are held by White Males and law is restructured to a 50% maximum then how will the decision be made of who has to close or sell their businesses?  Its a hard thing to implement afterwards. Discussing the pros and cons of a particular policy is totally missing the point when it comes to this woman. It simply doesn't make any difference anymore. The fact that almost everything she espouses is moronic is completely irrelevant. She is the next "Rock Star" of the Democratic Party. By the 2024 presidential election only a "Rock Star" will have any chance of getting elected President.And by then the majority of voters will sincerely believe that the function of government is to give them everything that they want or think they need just on account of the fact that they exist. She'll run. She'll very likely win. Take a good look around. This country is Fooked.

Title: Re: AOC Post by WebsterMark on 03/01/19 at 11:26:20 She'll run. She'll very likely win. I think that's a very real possibility. This country is Fooked. If she does run and if she does win, I agree.

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/01/19 at 11:34:48 LOL - spoken like a true trump hardline supporter.  To each their own I guess. Both you and old are missing the picture in my opinion. All of AOC's policies poll in the 60+% across the entire population. old calls her "moronic" but has no basis.  You call her wrong, but the data doesn't support that. This isn't 1971 anymore.  Hell, it's not even 2000 anymore.... This Country is undergoing a sea change and it's not going to stop.  I look forward to it!

Title: Re: AOC Post by oldNslow on 03/01/19 at 11:52:14 Quote: All of AOC's policies poll in the 60+% across the entire population. Precisely my point. Just because 60% of the voters think her ideas are great, doesn't mean her ideas aren't stupid, and bound to send the country right down the crapper. Quote: This Country is undergoing a sea change and it's not going to stop. I agree. And I'm glad you're looking forward to it. I just think you will come to regret that when you realize what actually happens.

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/01/19 at 12:08:36 714F4E42504C4D230 wrote: Quote: All of AOC's policies poll in the 60+% across the entire population. Precisely my point. Just because 60% of the voters think her ideas are great, doesn't mean her ideas aren't stupid, and bound to send the country right down the crapper. [quote] This Country is undergoing a sea change and it's not going to stop. I agree. And I'm glad you're looking forward to it. I just think you will come to regret that when you realize what actually happens. [/quote] Think what you like, but I've always been in favor of progressive policies.  I've seen first had how they've helped people.   What is going to "actually happen" is that our representatives will come back to working for us, not their big money donors.  Another thing that will happen is that the rich and corporations will shoulder more burden of tax - you know, like in the 50's. No regrets here old.  Not a one.

Title: Re: AOC Post by raydawg on 03/01/19 at 13:01:13 I have one question, why wasn't the election of 2008 a mandate of "progressive" policies? Obama came into office with all the majority support of congress/senate, and yet a mere two years later, lost it all. If we go back and look at who he was, and what he said, for example, a marriage was between a man and a woman, etc, he became the person who the progressive power handlers (?)  demanded of him, once elected? You can blame the opposition, however, that does not hold up to scrutiny if indeed he was elected overwhelmingly to "change" things progressively.... That "agenda" would override any opposition and interference, gaining strength and power, not losing it. Many stories ran after the election the conservatives and republicans were dead, or severely limited in what they could now do in Washington. Speaking solely for myself, who voted for him in all the excitement of hope and change, read GRIDLOCK....... I felt I bought a lame horse, once he got in office. He wasn't what he advertised, but to this day, I think like with Carter, who I voted for, somewhere in the party oligarchy ( which I believe exist in both parties )  had other ideas AND the wherewithal, to implement THEIR plans, not his hope and change, his winning line was saying he would reach across the isle, to make Washington work again for EVERYONE.....????? I dunno, but I think AOC, Trump, etc, are upsetting that apple cart.... It also explains why so many republicans bowed out of the last elections, where incumbents almost always win their elections, as they knew the winds of change were coming, and they wanted to escape with their booty before all the infighting, revealing, etc, of what a corrupt system we do have..... is exposed. Just the "sex" stuff was prolly only the tip of the iceberg, where it snared many, but if you think that is the only ugly belly DC has, I think you are seriously mistaken, for the GREED of man, wealth, and power, gained however, hook or crook, is where the real corpses lay, waiting.... I dunno....I just can't figger out what happened to the historic wind Obama sailed into Washington with, only to be crushed against the rocks two years later.....WHAT HAPPENED?   OK, I'm done, I am going back to being HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY ...... Carry on  ;D :D ;) :-*

Title: Re: AOC Post by LostArtist on 03/01/19 at 13:21:55 same thing happened to Trumps "historic" win, the democrats CRUSHED him in 2018 "Some point to the 2010 midterms as the standard-bearer for “wave” elections. A response to Barack Obama’s first two years as president, led in part by the powerful Tea Party movement, Republicans picked up 63 House seats and six Senate seats. It was the largest seat change in 62 years and marked the most substantial midterm flip of House control since 1894. By all accounts, 2010 was one of the biggest midterm wave elections in a century or more. And yet, 2018 was bigger." "Experts can argue over whether President Trump galvanized Democrats more than Republicans. They can ponder whether Democrats’ dramatically improved financial position helped their cause. It’s all moot to the central question: Were the 2018 midterms a Blue Wave? The answer is clear  — 2018 might not have yielded the electoral gains of 2010, but no midterm election in the past century or more has been so lopsided, which almost certainly suggests its impact will be felt in 2020." https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/419308-2018-midterm-election-a-blue-wave-or-merely-an-electoral-adjustment-into-a

Title: Re: AOC Post by Eegore on 03/01/19 at 13:22:41 "Take a good look around. This country is Fooked."  I've been hearing that for a while now.  When they implemented Social Security in 1935 people said the country would be doomed in a decade.  Automobiles travelling at "break-neck" speeds of up to 20 miles an hour would destroy our ability to commute safely.  Television would create a generation of uninspired adults who don't get jobs.  The World Wide Web would cause crippling riots that would destroy America by the year 2000.  Bush Jr. would alter the Constitution to stay in office.  Obama would alter the Constitution to stay in office and enslave America to Muslim countries.  Trumps Trade War will end American consumerism as we know it as inflation hits record highs.  Hard to tell what people are really afraid of when it comes to change.

Title: Re: AOC Post by WebsterMark on 03/01/19 at 13:31:30 Squeezing a square peg in a round hole and calling 2018 a bigger gain for the opposition than Obama's historic loss in 2010 is quite a feat of modern math.... As Eegore pointed out with who owns weed license, it doesn't matter if the wish is doable or not, logical or not, even reality or not; what matters is to simply say a wish out loud and it's taken as possible. That's the power of her ability to command an audience. The green deal is fantasy to the nth degree, but I think most if not all of the Democratic candidates (at least at the time) jumped on board to one degree or another. It's the equivalent of a child wishing on a star and adults taking in seriously. I don't believe anyone else could make such ridiculous claims as in this deal and not get laughed out of DC. She did.

Title: Re: AOC Post by oldNslow on 03/01/19 at 14:11:51 Quote: What is going to "actually happen" is that our representatives will come back to working for us, not their big money donors.  Another thing that will happen is that the rich and corporations will shoulder more burden of tax - you know, like in the 50's. I wish you were correct in that assessment. However I don't believe you are. It would be the first time that happened in the long sordid history of socialis

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/01/19 at 14:38:26 44574F52574151360 wrote: I have one question, why wasn't the election of 2008 a mandate of "progressive" policies? Ten years ago ray.  A long time.  But in fact, it was (at the time) a progressive move by the DNC.  Um, first African American president? Obama came into office with all the majority support of congress/senate, and yet a mere two years later, lost it all. Yep - as is customary (look at last year - that wave was pretty blue).  Look at the money that was spent at the state level to do that.  Money ray - it was mostly about the money. If we go back and look at who he was, and what he said, for example, a marriage was between a man and a woman, etc, he became the person who the progressive power handlers (?)  demanded of him, once elected? Again, you can't put issues of today against where we were then. You can blame the opposition, however, that does not hold up to scrutiny if indeed he was elected overwhelmingly to "change" things progressively.... He did change things progressively.  ACA, the auto bail out, Lilly Ledbetter, etc. That "agenda" would override any opposition and interference, gaining strength and power, not losing it. No, it wouldn't.  Did trump's?  Even with a growing economy, the republicans lost the house, barely held the senate and lost a large number of governorships in 2018. Many stories ran after the election the conservatives and republicans were dead, or severely limited in what they could now do in Washington. I never saw a one of those stories.  In fact, I saw just the opposite.  The tea party and the like rallied the base. Speaking solely for myself, who voted for him in all the excitement of hope and change, read GRIDLOCK....... Yet the economy grew, obl was killed, our foreign relations were never better, the DOW hit records, corporate profits set records and more people than ever got health insurance. I felt I bought a lame horse, once he got in office. See above - that's on you, not the president. He wasn't what he advertised, but to this day, I think like with Carter, who I voted for, somewhere in the party oligarchy ( which I believe exist in both parties )  had other ideas AND the wherewithal, to implement THEIR plans, not his hope and change, his winning line was saying he would reach across the isle, to make Washington work again for EVERYONE.....????? That's campaign speak, nothing more.  However, when you have a republican party with the likes of mitch and his gang - )you know, the guys who flat out said their job was to make Obama a one-term president?) - there simply is no reaching across the aisle. I dunno, but I think AOC, Trump, etc, are upsetting that apple cart.... AOC is speaking truth to power.  trump is in it for number one and number one only. Big difference. It also explains why so many republicans bowed out of the last elections, where incumbents almost always win their elections, as they knew the winds of change were coming, and they wanted to escape with their booty before all the infighting, revealing, etc, of what a corrupt system we do have..... is exposed. Just the "sex" stuff was prolly only the tip of the iceberg, where it snared many, but if you think that is the only ugly belly DC has, I think you are seriously mistaken, for the GREED of man, wealth, and power, gained however, hook or crook, is where the real corpses lay, waiting.... I dunno....I just can't figger out what happened to the historic wind Obama sailed into Washington with, only to be crushed against the rocks two years later.....WHAT HAPPENED?   mitch and his kind happened. OK, I'm done, I am going back to being HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY ...... Carry on  ;D :D ;) :-*

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/01/19 at 14:50:52 754740515647506F435049220 wrote: Squeezing a square peg in a round hole and calling 2018 a bigger gain for the opposition than Obama's historic loss in 2010 is quite a feat of modern math.... No one said it was bigger - but it was indeed a loss.  Just own it.  Sheesh. As Eegore pointed out with who owns weed license, it doesn't matter if the wish is doable or not, logical or not, even reality or not; what matters is to simply say a wish out loud and it's taken as possible. That's the power of her ability to command an audience. The green deal is fantasy to the nth degree, but I think most if not all of the Democratic candidates (at least at the time) jumped on board to one degree or another. It's the equivalent of a child wishing on a star and adults taking in seriously. I don't believe anyone else could make such ridiculous claims as in this deal and not get laughed out of DC. She did. The winds of change are indeed blowing.  The polls support it mark.  Plain and simple.

Title: Re: AOC Post by raydawg on 03/01/19 at 14:52:22 Thank you TT, however, you didn't answer my question. Given all that you listed, that he accomplished, and with a movement underway, to a new beginning, etc, why would he lose? To me it just does not pencil out that folks decided to all of a sudden abandon this new found success.....after 2 years. A important piece of the puzzle/riddle escapes me..... And one more observation for ALL of you  ;D This country was no more divided and at RISK of crumbling, heck, it very well might have been on the doorstep, prior to, during, and after, the Civil War....and yet, this experiment in a new governance survived.... Gang, that is growth.....just like each and everyone of us can grow if we are honest with facing our OWN problems and issues, head on, admitting our faults, accepting our blame, and being thankful we had the opportunity to grow and overcome ourselves...... Ok, I am going back to reality, the moment, you guys play what ifs..... Have fun, its only life, no one gets out alive  :) Peace!

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/01/19 at 14:54:42 142A2B27352928460 wrote: Quote: What is going to "actually happen" is that our representatives will come back to working for us, not their big money donors.  Another thing that will happen is that the rich and corporations will shoulder more burden of tax - you know, like in the 50's. I wish you were correct in that assessment. However I don't believe you are. It would be the first time that happened in the long sordid history of socialis Seems to me that you're letting fox news tell you that democratic socialism is the exact same as pure socialism.  It's not.  It's never been. The fact that we have socialist components in our government is proof of that.  Some of the most popular and helpful programs in this country are socialist in nature.  That doesn't make us a socialist country - and it never will.

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/01/19 at 14:57:19 13001805001606610 wrote: Thank you TT, however, you didn't answer my question. Given all that you listed, that he accomplished, and with a movement underway, to a new beginning, etc, why would he lose? Money.  Money.  Money.  The GOP spent hundreds of millions of dollars at the state and local levels for the 2010 midterms.  They basically did a smear on Obama - it worked. To me it just does not pencil out that folks decided to all of a sudden abandon this new found success.....after 2 years. Well, those same people voted for trump, so.... A important piece of the puzzle/riddle escapes me..... And one more observation for ALL of you  ;D This country was no more divided and at RISK of crumbling, heck, it very well might have been on the doorstep, prior to, during, and after, the Civil War....and yet, this experiment in a new governance survived.... Gang, that is growth.....just like each and everyone of us can grow if we are honest with facing our OWN problems and issues, head on, admitting our faults, accepting our blame, and being thankful we had the opportunity to grow and overcome ourselves...... Ok, I am going back to reality, the moment, you guys play what ifs..... Have fun, its only life, no one gets out alive  :) Peace!

Title: Re: AOC Post by raydawg on 03/01/19 at 16:04:45 Sorry TT...... a smear job when they were happy with all the results you listed, they just elected him, etc.....sorry, that is a no sale. Thank you for trying to piece my puzzle  ;D I am still "clueless"  >:(  :-[  ;) PEACE!

Title: Re: AOC Post by LostArtist on 03/01/19 at 16:26:01 586A6D7C7B6A7D426E7D640F0 wrote: Squeezing a square peg in a round hole and calling 2018 a bigger gain for the opposition than Obama's historic loss in 2010 is quite a feat of modern math.... yeah, let's do the math.   democrats is 2018 got 8.5 MILLION more votes than republicans republicans in 2010 got about 6 million more "When all the ballots are tallied, Democrats will have something close to a 9 million vote lead in the national House popular vote. Democrats will win the vote by close to 8 percentage points. That’s a huge win. In the Republican wave elections of 2010 and 1994, the GOP won the national House vote by about 6.6 points and 7 points respectively, according to our friends at the Cook Political Report. In the Democrats’ smaller wave win in 2006, they captured the national House vote by about 6.4 points. Add that all up and 2018 certainly feels wave-like." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/was-it-wave-election-depends-your-data-set-n939796 As Eegore pointed out with who owns weed license, it doesn't matter if the wish is doable or not, logical or not, even reality or not; what matters is to simply say a wish out loud and it's taken as possible. That's the power of her ability to command an audience. that's how Trump does it.... what's your problem then? The green deal is fantasy to the nth degree, but I think most if not all of the Democratic candidates (at least at the time) jumped on board to one degree or another. It's the equivalent of a child wishing on a star and adults taking in seriously. I don't believe anyone else could make such ridiculous claims as in this deal and not get laughed out of DC. She did. so is your magic wall fixing immigration does the green deal need work, yeah probably.  but judging from your lack of understanding, which is understandable since you probably use Fox News as your main information source, I just think you're ignorant of the actual facts, as am I, I haven't studied the green deal, but at least it's a step in the right direction, embracing science instead of ignoring it and demeaning it

Title: Re: AOC Post by LostArtist on 03/01/19 at 16:28:51 322C23222F322934460 wrote: [quote author=754740515647506F435049220 link=1551462587/0#10 date=1551475890]Squeezing a square peg in a round hole and calling 2018 a bigger gain for the opposition than Obama's historic loss in 2010 is quite a feat of modern math.... No one said it was bigger - but it was indeed a loss.  Just own it.  Sheesh. no, I AM SAYING IT WAS BIGGER, by actual tally of votes, gerrymandering made it less effective As Eegore pointed out with who owns weed license, it doesn't matter if the wish is doable or not, logical or not, even reality or not; what matters is to simply say a wish out loud and it's taken as possible. That's the power of her ability to command an audience. The green deal is fantasy to the nth degree, but I think most if not all of the Democratic candidates (at least at the time) jumped on board to one degree or another. It's the equivalent of a child wishing on a star and adults taking in seriously. I don't believe anyone else could make such ridiculous claims as in this deal and not get laughed out of DC. She did. The winds of change are indeed blowing.  The polls support it mark.  Plain and simple. [/quote]

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/01/19 at 17:22:31 33203825203626410 wrote: Sorry TT...... a smear job when they were happy with all the results you listed, they just elected him, etc.....sorry, that is a no sale. I think you misunderstand ray.  The smear job - negative ads and shear volume of spending - went against Obama in 2010.  Like mitch said, their job was to make Obama a one-term president.  They did everything but. Thank you for trying to piece my puzzle  ;D I am still "clueless"  >:(  :-[  ;)PEACE!

Title: Re: AOC Post by WebsterMark on 03/03/19 at 05:28:25 I've told Sew for years his side will win the war; that Trump has only won a 4 or 8 year delay. Perhaps its AOC who'll eventually be leader who delivers the left their final victory. AOC has a high probability of turning into a popular leader with hundreds of thousands, millions of followers. She could rise to unprecedented power if the green, leftist environment of today continues its trend. And when I refuse to live my life by her dictates, what then? She'll do what all socialist dictators do, she'll have no choice, she will enforce her will down the barrel of a gun.

Title: Re: AOC Post by Serowbot on 03/03/19 at 08:45:16 112324353223340B27342D460 wrote: She'll do what all socialist dictators do, she'll have no choice, she will enforce her will down the barrel of a gun. Yes,.. all those gun-nut liberals are to be feared... ;D

Title: Re: AOC Post by oldNslow on 03/03/19 at 09:24:02 392F38253D28253E4A0 wrote: [quote author=112324353223340B27342D460 link=1551462587/15#21 date=1551619705]She'll do what all socialist dictators do, she'll have no choice, she will enforce her will down the barrel of a gun. Yes,.. all those gun-nut liberals are to be feared... ;D[/quote] I know you are being sarcastic, but you are actually quite right. One of the principal tenants of liberal, progressive, socialist, whatever you want to call it, theology, is the disarmament of every one who is not a member of the ruling elite or the agents of same. Take a moment and reflect on how that's worked out for the ordinary citizens wherever it;s been accomplished. Once a government has a monopoly on the use of force it pretty much has a monopoly on everything else.

Title: Re: AOC Post by WebsterMark on 03/03/19 at 13:19:46 Liberals turn into Progressives. Progressives turn into Leftist. Leftist turn into Socialists. and Socialists kill people.

Title: Re: AOC Post by Serowbot on 03/03/19 at 14:57:51 Conservatives turn into Trumpeteers, and Trumpeteers turn into NeoNazis... We all know where that winds up...

Title: Re: AOC Post by WebsterMark on 03/03/19 at 19:24:07 Except that hasn't happened and it's not going to happen. Leftist will eventually need to use violence like all socialist end up doing. Its the only way you'll be able to enforce your will against those who want freedom. Its actually already beginning. You're beginning to talk about legal remedies against speech. Climate deniers, delayers etc... anyone with weird opinions on vaccines (which I don't but I'm not going to punish someone who has those ideas), gun ownership laws, gun registrars...   Yea, you're beginning the battle you'll ultimately win. Congrats.

Title: Re: AOC Post by Eegore on 03/03/19 at 22:22:09  I have found that typically whichever group is not on my side is doing things wrong.  Doesn't matter what it is exactly, all I know is if I don't agree then they are wrong, and will ruin the country, enslave us all, and whoever is on my side is doing things correctly, even if they are doing the exact same thing as everyone else.

Title: Re: AOC Post by WebsterMark on 03/04/19 at 04:28:26 "Follow your heart and you'll never go wrong" only works out for the very talented or very lucky few. Point being, nations  do die out, they destroy themselves from within,  Venezuela being just the latest example. At some point early in the cycle of death, there is opposition that correctly sees the future catastrophe coming while most everyone else sees future prosperity. If leftist take complete control, they'll resort to violence to enforce their views. That's what they always do.

Title: Re: AOC Post by oldNslow on 03/04/19 at 06:41:52 Quote: Yea, you're beginning the battle you'll ultimately win. Congrats. It will only be a temporary victory. The whole progressive, utopian edifice, constructed on a foundation of fantasy, rather than reality,will eventually collapse.When the dust settles whoever is left will pick up the pieces and start over. At that point it isn't going to matter which side you were on when things fell apart.

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/04/19 at 08:46:03 586A6D7C7B6A7D426E7D640F0 wrote: Liberals turn into Progressives. Progressives turn into Leftist. Leftist turn into Socialists. and Socialists kill people. What a silly, narrow view you have. Then I guess you think that all republicans turn into nazis or kkk members then, huh?

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/04/19 at 08:48:00 1A282F3E39283F002C3F264D0 wrote: Except that hasn't happened and it's not going to happen. Then how can you say what you said will happen mark?  Do you not see they hypocrisy in pretty much everything you post??  (obviously not). Leftist will eventually need to use violence like all socialist end up doing. Care to cite any examples of that? Its the only way you'll be able to enforce your will against those who want freedom. Its actually already beginning. You're beginning to talk about legal remedies against speech. Climate deniers, delayers etc... anyone with weird opinions on vaccines (which I don't but I'm not going to punish someone who has those ideas), gun ownership laws, gun registrars...   Yea, you're beginning the battle you'll ultimately win. Congrats. So sad that you live in such a paranoid state of mind....

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/04/19 at 08:50:45 477572636475625D71627B100 wrote: "Follow your heart and you'll never go wrong" only works out for the very talented or very lucky few. Point being, nations  do die out, they destroy themselves from within,  Venezuela being just the latest example. At some point early in the cycle of death, there is opposition that correctly sees the future catastrophe coming while most everyone else sees future prosperity. If leftist take complete control, they'll resort to violence to enforce their views. That's what they always do. Again, sad.  You compare our country with Venezuela?  Aren't you conservatives tired of being wrong about that? I've got news for you guys - this is NOT Venezuela.  They don't have the Constitution we have. Get over it.  Just like your panic over sharia law by Obama, this ain't gonna happen.  Period.

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/04/19 at 08:53:28 003E3F33213D3C520 wrote: Quote: Yea, you're beginning the battle you'll ultimately win. Congrats. It will only be a temporary victory. The whole progressive, utopian edifice, constructed on a foundation of fantasy, rather than reality,will eventually collapse.When the dust settles whoever is left will pick up the pieces and start over. At that point it isn't going to matter which side you were on when things fell apart. So you're saying that social security was a failure?  You're saying that Medicare is a failure?  The 1950's tax rates were what... a dream? Please.... There's a good reason Bernie is killing it right now and probably will all the way to 2020. No one wants an oligarchy.  Well, no one but trump supporters.

Title: Re: AOC Post by WebsterMark on 03/04/19 at 10:35:54 God I hope it’s Bernie. At least we’ll get 4 more years of American before the end begins.

Title: Re: AOC Post by WebsterMark on 03/04/19 at 10:37:26 1D23222E3C20214F0 wrote: Quote: Yea, you're beginning the battle you'll ultimately win. Congrats. It will only be a temporary victory. The whole progressive, utopian edifice, constructed on a foundation of fantasy, rather than reality,will eventually collapse.When the dust settles whoever is left will pick up the pieces and start over. At that point it isn't going to matter which side you were on when things fell apart. I hope you’re right. There’s plenty of examples of what you say. But it’s very dark before it gets dawn.

Title: Re: AOC Post by WebsterMark on 03/04/19 at 11:31:37 So you're saying that social security was a failure?  You're saying that Medicare is a failure?  The 1950's tax rates were what... a dream? Failure? No. Success? No. And how many paid those tax rates? Look up a historical trend of what the net tax rates were and get back to us.

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/04/19 at 15:19:01 457770616677605F736079120 wrote: God I hope it’s Bernie. At least we’ll get 4 more years of American before the end begins. American?

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/04/19 at 15:20:52 6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 wrote: So you're saying that social security was a failure?  You're saying that Medicare is a failure?  The 1950's tax rates were what... a dream? Failure? No. Success? No.  LOL - ask the average retired American....ask yourself in a few years. And how many paid those tax rates? Look up a historical trend of what the net tax rates were and get back to us. Thanks mark, I'm well aware. Look up what AOC is proposing and get back to me.

Title: Re: AOC Post by MnSpring on 03/04/19 at 15:29:47 2A343B3A372A312C5E0 wrote: The winds of change are indeed blowing.  The polls support it mark.  Plain and simple. Would that be the SAME polls as H.R.C. used ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: AOC Post by MnSpring on 03/04/19 at 15:32:20 7C626D6C617C677A080 wrote: Look up what AOC is proposing and get back to me. A-Yep gotta be wary of  ALL THE COW F ARTS !!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/04/19 at 15:34:30 1635082B2932353C5B0 wrote: [quote author=2A343B3A372A312C5E0 link=1551462587/0#13 date=1551480652]The winds of change are indeed blowing.  The polls support it mark.  Plain and simple. Would that be the SAME polls as H.R.C. used ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Yeah, the some ones that were correct about her winning the popular vote by 3 million votes. Your point?.....

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/04/19 at 15:35:09 00231E3D3F24232A4D0 wrote: [quote author=7C626D6C617C677A080 link=1551462587/30#38 date=1551741652] Look up what AOC is proposing and get back to me. A-Yep gotta be wary of  ALL THE COW F ARTS !!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Wow, great joke.<<<sarcasm A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Title: Re: AOC Post by MnSpring on 03/04/19 at 15:49:02 7E606F6E637E65780A0 wrote:   her winning the popular vote by 3 million votes. Do you mean, all those people that,        DO NOT have to prove Citizenship to Vote ?   While REAL  Citizens, have to PROVE they are NOT Citizens, If they use that to get off Jury Duty.

Title: Re: AOC Post by T And T Garage on 03/04/19 at 15:55:08 0F2C1132302B2C25420 wrote: [quote author=7E606F6E637E65780A0 link=1551462587/30#41 date=1551742470]   her winning the popular vote by 3 million votes. Do you mean, all those people that,        DO NOT have to prove Citizenship to Vote ?   While REAL  Citizens, have to PROVE they are NOT Citizens, If they use that to get off Jury Duty. [/quote] Cry all you'd like -at the end of the day, you have no proof mn. Next....

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