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Message started by oldNslow on 11/23/18 at 18:36:34

Title: USS McCain,USS Fitzgerald, deja vu
Post by oldNslow on 11/23/18 at 18:36:34

Apparently it isn't just the USN that has a problem training it's officers - particularly it's female officers - in discipline and basic seamanship.

http://freewestmedia.com/2018/11/14/gender-politics-and-knm-helge-ingstad/

Nobody died in this one fortunately, but the ship appears to have sunk.

Title: Re: USS McCain,USS Fitzgerald, deja vu
Post by MnSpring on 11/24/18 at 07:13:18

Most certainly, eds, will get to the 'bottom' of it.

He is well versed in the inner workings, and the politics of other Countries.

OH, BTY, where is eds, it seems he has not been here, during the same time, tt has been gone.

Title: Re: USS McCain,USS Fitzgerald, deja vu
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/24/18 at 07:55:20

Yeah, they had everything they needed to not screw up,but managed to anyway.

Title: Re: USS McCain,USS Fitzgerald, deja vu
Post by Eegore on 09/13/19 at 06:46:49

So an extensive investigation has shown the primary cause of both collisions that made the news is from training (of course) and the control structure of the ship helm.

Interesting that physical controls are more desirable.

I'm sure there's a way to still blame US Navy female crew members for it though.

https://news.usni.org/2019/08/06/ntsb-lack-of-navy-oversight-training-were-primary-causes-of-fatal-mccain-collision

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/navy-ditches-touchscreen-controls

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49319450

Title: Re: USS McCain,USS Fitzgerald, deja vu
Post by verslagen1 on 09/13/19 at 09:04:42

Interesting, both ships and airplanes are suffering from the same dilemma, software controlled vehicles.
Luckily, cars are not as designers are required to allow manual override.

Title: Re: USS McCain,USS Fitzgerald, deja vu
Post by T And T Garage on 09/13/19 at 09:41:55

4E6D5073716A6D64030 wrote:

What are you talking about?

Title: Re: USS McCain,USS Fitzgerald, deja vu
Post by MnSpring on 09/13/19 at 10:00:28

756671706F6264666D32030 wrote:
Interesting, both ships and airplanes are suffering from the same dilemma, software controlled vehicles.
Luckily, cars are not as designers are required to allow manual override.

Perhaps the ships, (with their extensive radar), should be designed like cars.
To, Automatically, avoid collision.

Think about it. Today most don't have a clue how to drive a manual transmission.
20 + years from now, most won't have a clue how to, DRIVE.
The car will do it for them, all they have to know is how to open the door and sit down.

Title: Re: USS McCain,USS Fitzgerald, deja vu
Post by Eegore on 09/13/19 at 10:20:12

"Interesting, both ships and airplanes are suffering from the same dilemma, software controlled vehicles.
Luckily, cars are not as designers are required to allow manual override. "

In the collision cases it was not necessarily the software that caused the collision, or controlled the ship. It is software that runs the operating panels, and processes the inputs on the mechanical parts that move the ship, however the software operated correctly and only due to a human assigning inputs.

The issue here is the operating panels are not consistent, so reaction time is reduced since muscle memory is harder to develop among other things. The plan is to retrofit more physical input methods that are actuated mechanically but signaled digitally.

According to a couple helmsman I have talked to there is some anti-collision software on-board most ships, but limited in capacity and use. Complete override is common.