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Message started by raydawg on 11/15/18 at 08:43:26

Title: Quality.........
Post by raydawg on 11/15/18 at 08:43:26

Not sure how many of you have heard about the new Boeing 737 MAX aircraft that crashed in Indonesia a few weeks ago.
This plane was brand new.
It was built right along the line I was working before I retired.
The cause is tentatively been assigned to navigation/flight control failure on a new automatic warning system that takes over flight controls to AVOID a crash......
The pilots were not schooled prior to releasing the aircraft to the customers, cleared to fly commercially, that this KNOWN defect, might arise in flight, or how to address the false alarms and to keep control of the aircraft manually.....
This plane had already experienced the issue in the flights preceding the fatal one.
They replaced one of the senors, that supplied data to the program that DECIDED it needed to take evasive actions to save the flight....
How is that for AI?
The program/design is faulty, not the sensors, yet the plane is still flying.

Now, Boeing wants to get rid of the Quality Assurance Inspectors on the manufacturing floor, and allow the person who installs the systems, etc, on the aircraft, to inspect their own work.....

ITS CRAZY.

ITS INSANE.

And its all about profit.

I saw all this unfolding.
I knew this was going to happen.
I foretold many a catastrophe was coming involving the 737 line.

It makes me sick, but the mentality I witnessed was these folks believe they are infallible...... none of us are.

Of course I DO NOT know all of the details, and I am merely ranting, but is this a precursor to the thinking that we can design fool proof artificial intelligence?
When "man" is wrong, hopefully he is guided by his morality, and not his PRIDE, in admitting wrong, thus finding a resolve and repair.....
A machine will use what, if a perplexing issues arises.....maximized profit?

Title: Re: Quality.........
Post by SeñorDanimal on 11/15/18 at 09:35:48

23302835302636510 wrote:

ITS CRAZY.

ITS INSANE.

And its all about profit.

I saw all this unfolding.
I knew this was going to happen.
I foretold many a catastrophe was coming involving the 737 line.

It makes me sick, but the mentality I witnessed was these folks believe they are infallible...... none of us are.

Of course I DO NOT know all of the details, and I am merely ranting, but is this a precursor to the thinking that we can design fool proof artificial intelligence?
When "man" is wrong, hopefully he is guided by his morality, and not his PRIDE, in admitting wrong, thus finding a resolve and repair.....
A machine will use what, if a perplexing issues arises.....maximized profit?

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I completely agree raydawg. I work in software and the mad rush to let computers make all the decisions is bad when you give them faulty and assumptive rules to follow that can't possibly account for every condition. It's going to permeate everything. The justice system, banking, healthcare, and more.

"The computer told me X so it is the way it is."

ugh.

Title: Re: Quality.........
Post by jcstokes on 11/15/18 at 09:56:37

Remember the old "Fail Safe" book from the sixties, when New York and Moscow had to be destroyed, because of a small transistor failure.

Title: Re: Quality.........
Post by danimule on 11/15/18 at 10:24:08

767F6F687377796F1C0 wrote:

Remember the old "Fail Safe" book from the sixties, when New York and Moscow had to be destroyed, because of a small transistor failure.

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I don't, but now I have something else to read. Thanks!

Title: Re: Quality.........
Post by sjaskow - FSO on 11/15/18 at 10:31:59

5C59565A380 wrote:

[quote author=767F6F687377796F1C0 link=1542300206/0#2 date=1542304597]Remember the old "Fail Safe" book from the sixties, when New York and Moscow had to be destroyed, because of a small transistor failure.

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I don't, but now I have something else to read. Thanks![/quote]

It's also a very good Sidney Lumet movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058083/. It's been a while since I've seen it but I liked it almost as I liked the book and almost never happens.

Title: Re: Quality.........
Post by raydawg on 11/15/18 at 10:44:57

Exactly.......

rush to let computers make all the decisions is bad when you give them faulty and assumptive rules to follow that can't possibly account for every condition.

To “know” is the fallacy to all this technology, or it would NOT even be under study, but a fact after having already having surpassed that threshold....from unknown, to known.
How do you factor in the, unknown ?

You can’t.....it is at best, a educated guess.

Advance this mindset of technological perfection to a point where we default to its ability to decide.... freedom. :-[

Do you even grasp the gravity of such?

Death of ANYTHING is final, when it comes to mankind.
Who, or what, are you willing to surrender that to?

Geez, I am starting to scare myself ;D

Title: Re: Quality.........
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/18 at 11:45:17

Dive, Dive, Dive is okay.
On submarines.