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Title: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/17/18 at 17:33:44 just heard a conservative panelist on NPR say "Science doesn't give us facts." |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by eau de sauvage on 10/17/18 at 19:47:40 7C5F4344714244594344300 wrote:
This is not a good road to travel down L.A. As you will run into a wall of the history and the historicity of science. For the above statement you'd have to get the person who said it, to explain what they mean. It's not unto scientists to defend such a patently stupid statement it's up to idiots like the person who said it to explain wtf they are talking about. Science is out best attempt to explain the world and those who determine whether it's valid or not are the very scientists themselves. However what delineates science from religion is that science is not based on 'blind belief'. Like you cannot just have a tool like Trump saying 'he doesn't "believe" something that scientists said, because science is not about belief. This is why, in case anyone was wondering, that you do not have scientists knocking on your front door in order to convince you about the general relativity. I'm reminded of Einstein's famous retort to a paper produced in Germany titled 100 Authors against Einstein. He said, 'if I was wrong, one would be enough'. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-0348-9008-3_4 |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by WebsterMark on 10/18/18 at 05:56:42 1E3D21261320263B2126520 wrote:
I'l like to see the context of that quote. |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/18/18 at 09:50:56 695B5C4D4A5B4C735F4C553E0 wrote:
I'l like to see the context of that quote.[/quote] since when do you care about context? you don't even care when Trump exaggerates EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME. |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by MnSpring on 10/18/18 at 13:27:45 7E5D41467340465B4146320 wrote:
Lost, has your mentor taught you nothing about: “…since when do you care about context?…” I would like to see the link, where it was said, and by who. Then I can research, who, said it, And how one sided it is. (Or, if it was even said) |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/18/18 at 14:26:03 53704D6E6C7770791E0 wrote:
Lost, has your mentor taught you nothing about: “…since when do you care about context?…” I would like to see the link, where it was said, and by who. Then I can research, who, said it, And how one sided it is. (Or, if it was even said) [/quote] remember when I"d always post a link to an article or source, but you'd never believe it or read it, calling it fake news or whatever, so why bother? you never post anything to back up any of your drivel |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by WebsterMark on 10/18/18 at 14:36:45 10332F281D2E28352F285C0 wrote:
I'l like to see the context of that quote.[/quote] since when do you care about context? you don't even care when Trump exaggerates EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME. [/quote] So you can't give the context.....or you made it up to begin with......or you looked at the context and realized you took it out of context. |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by MnSpring on 10/18/18 at 14:41:52 63405C5B6E5D5B465C5B2F0 wrote:
I see, so you just made it up. |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/18/18 at 14:48:40 4D7F78696E7F68577B68711A0 wrote:
I'l like to see the context of that quote.[/quote] since when do you care about context? you don't even care when Trump exaggerates EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME. [/quote] So you can't give the context.....or you made it up to begin with......or you looked at the context and realized you took it out of context. [/quote] I gave you context, conservative panelist on NPR just another example of conservatives not understanding science and denying it, you've done quite a lot of that yourself here WM |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/18/18 at 14:54:32 52714C6F6D7671781F0 wrote:
I see, so you just made it up. [/quote] just for you babycakes!!! no, it's real, it's not my responsibility to spoon feed you, you argue here all the time without backing up ANYTHING YOU EVER SAY, the one time I don't and you're jumping down my back about it. you say things are lies but then never actually say the truth about what should have been... but we are all just supposed to take your word for it, the almighty MN SPRINGS knows all and doesn't need to prove anything... |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/18/18 at 15:27:10 actually, MN Springs, I owe you an apology, you have actually been using sources lately.... fair is fair: https://soundcloud.com/houstonmatters/analysis-of-last-nights-cruz-orourke-debate it's an analysis of the O'Rouke/Cruz debate and the phrase is said around the 10:50 mark. it's a part where they are discussing the way each candidate responded to a question about Exxon's analysis of Climate Change. and it still comes down to , do you believe science or not. The conservative talking isn't as educated as he thinks he is, and I might owe him an apology as well, I don't actually know if he's conservative or not, he was definitely on Cruz's side in this analysis though, but I actually agree with his conclusion about this debate, it didn't change anyone's mind about either candidate. And he doesn't understand the actual science of climate change, much like many here, it really is quite conclusive about the causes of Climate change. whether you except it or not, that's your own issue. go through this you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54/videos and if you still don't believe it after watching any 5 videos on climate change, then you are quite hopeless oh and potholler54 is really rather conservative and logical, seriously, his analysis of it all is quite impressive |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by MnSpring on 10/18/18 at 15:27:39 62415D5A6F5C5A475D5A2E0 wrote:
Please explain, why when someone says: (to the like) "We should not be letting in illegal refugees" Is called, Racist. Yet the statement you said: “… you're just supposed to believe them, they are white guys after all, just believe them..." Is perfectly all right ? OH just for your record, "...doesn't need to prove anything...", I am sure that you forgot, when something is not, 'main street' I DO post links. When something is so obvious, no need to. A NPR, conservative panelist, saying: "Science doesn't give us facts." Would be a, 'NOT' be a main street item. |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/18/18 at 15:55:54 183B0625273C3B32550 wrote:
Please explain, why when someone says: (to the like) "We should not be letting in illegal refugees" Is called, Racist. I"ve NEVER called it that, so, again, talk to ME, not at some pretend uber liberal boogieman you think I am. Yet the statement you said: “… you're just supposed to believe them, they are white guys after all, just believe them..." Is perfectly all right ? you do understand that was a joke, and talking about taking something out of context, you're cross threading threads here DESTROYS THE CONTEXT. so if you'd kindly keep one thread to one thread and quit carrying grudges from thread to thread and being disingenuous about how you represent others on this board. if you want closure, get it on THAT THREAD or feel free to PM me to ask me to explain personally. not that you'd ever actually get it anyway though, but i'd try OH just for your record, "...doesn't need to prove anything...", I am sure that you forgot, when something is not, 'main street' I DO post links. When something is so obvious, no need to. A NPR, conservative panelist, saying: "Science doesn't give us facts." Would be a, 'NOT' be a main street item. [/quote] I just posted everything to apologize for that, so can we be civil now |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by WebsterMark on 10/18/18 at 16:26:49 Everyone believes science. Who doesn't? The issue with regards to climate change is has the IPCC trports dramatically over estimated warming in their reports? The answer that is yes. The next two questions are 1) why and 2) is this a serious issue or not? |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/18/18 at 18:53:18 6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 wrote:
First, thank you for keeping that on the issue and not hitting me with my own stupidity for how I set this up. Second, What makes you think so and even so, so what? is that an excuse to not do anything? we have the technology, we have the money. I'm not saying 100% or nothing but we could start taking a few more steps instead of backing out of everything. And yes, there are problems with some of the solutions and technology, let's figure it out. Why demonize those trying to find and encourage more sustainable solutions? And why keep rewarding those that pollute and contribute to the issue? Why whenever someone brings up the issue say "look a snowball" and then laugh at them?? I live close to the coast, and I'd rather not be forced to immigrate inland like a refuge in 30 years when I'm 70.... |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by oldNslow on 10/18/18 at 19:15:35 Quote:
Thirty years is a long time. The way things are headed, you could very well be a refugee by the time you are seventy for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with the climate. Feel better? You're welcome. |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by Matchless G11 on 10/19/18 at 03:33:29 By the way, is climate change caused by us or is this a natural occurrence? There has been many cycles of the earth climate throughout the years. when my brother was young people were screamming "We are entering the next ice age!" When I was younger it was acid rain that was going to get us. Just a short time ago it was global warming and now it is climate change. Yes we have more accurate models but as far as the weather goes. The guy on the six o'clock news rarely can tell me correctly if it will be sunny or rainy tomorrow. 8-) |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by Eegore on 10/19/18 at 06:56:00 "The guy on the six o'clock news rarely can tell me correctly if it will be sunny or rainy tomorrow." Part of that is because of the rate of change that causes modeling to be less accurate. Rate of change is actually the issue but there's basically no way to prove it in a way that some people will accept. If one needs to see the rate of change over 250 million years for themselves to believe it, then climate change wont ever be something they will accept as happening. If someone needs a predictive factor on an element that over millions of years is in a constant state of flux to be accurate within a decade then they won't ever accept the data. Its like saying a hummingbird flaps its wings over 1 million times in its lifetime and somebody says that on the 867,988th flap of the wings they only went halfway, so there's no way that the hummingbird will flap its wings 1 million times. They flap a lot, I can agree to that, but no way 1 million times because look at that 867,988th time when the prediction was off. If we select a small enough part of the data we can get any result we want. |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/19/18 at 08:22:23 273E3030666625322332343C646362570 wrote:
it's caused by us, there are literally 100s of scientific studies proving it. but sure, don't believe science... oh, and you know what, when you were younger and acid raid was going to get you, guess what we did, we changed some sh*t and stopped it, just like we did with the Ozone hole, and lead in paint, etc... we have the power to change the world, we've DONE IT. and the Ice age belief, that was based on the cycles you talk about, we were due, ummm, guess what, we changed that too. |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/19/18 at 08:28:09 537371796473160 wrote:
ONLY IN AMERICA. conservatives and all political parties of every stripe around the world believe the science, ONLY IN AMERICA does one party deny it and actively fight against any reforms to change |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by WebsterMark on 10/19/18 at 09:03:20 it's caused by us, there are literally 100s of scientific studies proving it. but sure, don't believe science... It was the science of the day who killed women because they thought they were witches.... oh, and you know what, when you were younger and acid raid was going to get you, guess what we did, we changed some sh*t and stopped it, just like we did with the Ozone hole, and lead in paint, etc... we have the power to change the world, we've DONE IT. and the Ice age belief, that was based on the cycles you talk about, we were due, ummm, guess what, we changed that too. Really? We changed the ice age?...... and you call yourself the party of Science.... |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by MShipley on 10/19/18 at 10:28:41 I would like a to ask a question of all those out there that think Climate Change is caused by man. I am talking about you guys that think the Government should step in and do something. What are you doing? Do you ride a bike to the grocery store? Do you turn off your air-conditioner in the summer? Do you go out in your community and pick-up trash. Do you live in 500 sq ft house. I hear a lot of complaining and pointing fingers by a lot of people but I dont see them living what the preach. |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/19/18 at 11:09:59 465863627B676E720B0 wrote:
I live in a 456 sq ft apartment, I drive a modernish fuel efficient vehicle, I wish it was better but 34 mpg isn't terrible, I recycle, I try not to use plastic bags at stores, that's what I can do . I sometimes pick up trash, for a single person, I do alright according to carbon footprint calculators I've tried out. oh, and I try to keep my trips efficient, meaning, I stop on my to and from work to do shopping, banking, etc... I don't go out a and joy ride and make special trips just cause.... |
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Title: Re: ummmmm, ok then Post by LostArtist on 10/19/18 at 11:11:00 4C7E79686F7E69567A69701B0 wrote:
when you warm the planet and melt the glaciers and ice caps..... yeah, I'd say that us stopping the ice age... |
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