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Title: Are we grown ups?... Post by Serowbot on 10/15/18 at 17:50:21 Prove it. Stop with the name calling. Serow |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by T And T Garage on 10/15/18 at 17:55:11 I promise not to - to any other posters. Not to public figures. I hope that's OK. |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by WebsterMark on 10/15/18 at 19:01:03 We are by definition not grown ups because we post on here. I told you my suggestion. Delete the Tall Table. The regulars on The Cafe will not tolerate anyone moving over there talking like this so that would effectively end this. I'm not going to post on the Cafe as I haven't owned a Savage for probably 10 years. I think I bought a new 2007 model, maybe a 2009 I don't even remember. |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by LostArtist on 10/15/18 at 20:25:31 I'll sign on, on the following conditions: no name calling, not even public figures or groups, discuss the issues, if the personality is the issue, find an adult way to talk about it without crazy spelling and dehumanizing language, this means JOG, MNSprings and Webster have to actively agree, but what we have here is a Mexican standoff... |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/18 at 22:48:16 Is that racist? |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by eau de sauvage on 10/16/18 at 02:04:06 As you know Serow I already attempted this. No one wanted to buy in. Eventually a few people including me pledge to cut it all out. Which happened for a while even though JoG WM Mn and the rest, kept on with their usual stuff. Prolly because they don't really have any arguments. However my current attitude is to play the most famous game in the whole of the Game Theory world known as Tit for Tat. It's used throughout the animal kingdom and even computer algorithms. So there will be no abusive language from me ever. Unless of course someone wants to gratuitously call me a moron. In which case I'll probably work 'fcuking imbecile' into my reply. Neither 'fcuking imbecile', nor 'moron' is acceptable but one is not worse than the other. Then I reset the slate. I don't hold a grudge, you name call me and you'll get it back in spade, then as far as I'm concerned it's done. You won't get any more name calling from me unless you do it again, so if I use abusive language you will always see it is a response. The reason for this is that after I took the original pledge it just wasn't acceptable to me to allow people to abuse me with impunity. It's really up to WM, JoG, Mn and the like to tone their crap down then we'll all be at peace. Remember when I suggested that we all sign a thread agreeing to end the bollox, the above named posters were the only ones interested in complaining about it. |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by Eegore on 10/16/18 at 05:33:48 I'd say we aren't acting like grown ups. Basically we have so many justifications for our behavior, and zero consequences. "The regulars on The Cafe will not tolerate anyone moving over there talking like this so that would effectively end this" All I did in the Cafe was ask respectfully for information about Microsoft EULA and ended up with a response about my character. People make everything personal on here. |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by eau de sauvage on 10/16/18 at 06:29:28 0B2834330635332E3433470 wrote:
We've already been there done that, haven't we? All that happened was that those who pledged simply put up with the same abuse. If it's now come to this, then perhaps we should revisit my original idea which was that you put up a new sticky saying that any personal abuse is unacceptable, from anyone. I know you don't want to do this kind of moderation it shouldn't be necessary. But I think the problem is rather unique to this particular forum. There's just a half dozen people who talk like Trump, use his hooks and games and their stance is utterly and totally morally bankrupt, racist and misogynistic, therefore they obviously are unable to string together a line of reasoning, and it's only natural that people with limited conversational or dialectic skills even basic ones are going to feel like they have to be rude and abusive. Which is why Mn and his ilk would not agree to some rules, if they did that then they'd not be able to say anything. But as long as it doesn't escape the political forum, there's no harm done. It's become like banter. FWIW I would not even care about any personal abuse directed at me, as long as it was encased in some intelligent reasoning. Often abusive language is simply used as an intensifier. Summed up nicely here... https://tinyurl.com/y8ofe53m Donald Trump is an anger troll. Rage is the one thing he capably nurtures and grows. He stoked anger in people horrified by Kavanaugh’s confirmation and is now turning it against them. This is an old tactic: drive people crazy, then call them so. As projects of government go, this one is as familiar as it is contemptible. He wants to make his followers feel threatened. To achieve this, he needs his opponents to seem irrational. So he sets about making them angry. He insults them, railroads them, calls people protesting for justice liars and profit-seekers even as he openly enriches his friends. He gives them offensive nicknames and mocks their pain for fun, and to get them to lose control. He’s doing this in plain sight—it’s pretty obvious why people are angry—but his goal is to make their reaction look inexplicable, beyond the pale. After leading angry crowds to yell abuse at anyone he points to, he turns around and marvels at how irrational and dangerous his targets are. As tactics go, this one is dumb and transparent, but it’s worth describing it because it works. It works a lot. Trump is not a genius. But he instinctively understands the dynamic of provoking and then delegitimizing someone else’s pain. As Adam Serwer wrote, he’s energized by the suffering he causes others and—secondarily—by the bond that ritualized cruelty forges with his base, which has been connected by fear of others. From Trump’s perspective, it’s kind of fun that people feel compassion for the families he separated. It’s delightful that women are worried about rights he has expressly said he wanted to take from them. And, after insulting and belittling people he’s supposed to be governing, he enjoys acting surprised that they mind. It’s a silly and ugly game, but it’s the only true rule of Trumpism: be the sorest winner imaginable. Aspire to nothing but power and status. Hold no principle sacred. Withhold justice and insult those who object. Yes, the effects of this are predictable. It doesn’t take a genius of social engineering to be the “why are you hitting yourself?” guy. All it takes is a willingness to be him. The total effect of this robs anger of some of its dignity. It’s doubly humiliating to know the bully enjoys watching his target get mad. I remember the precursors to my anger all those years ago: the agonized deliberations I made in that car as I tried to work out whether I was being unfair or uncharitable—perhaps I’d misread or misunderstood. I went through a thousand possible explanations until his actions whittled any misunderstanding down to the plain and ugly truth. That’s what living feels like in a society like this one: There’s a constant search for reasons your fellow citizens act the way they do that don’t reduce to sadism. There’s a certain relief, then, in crafting your own test for what constitutes the point of no return—the red line that, once crossed, confirms to you that the assault on your autonomy and dignity is overt and intentional. In fact after re reading this it is clear to me that JoG, Mn, Webster etc, purposely provoke in the same way that Trump does above then point the finger. |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by WebsterMark on 10/16/18 at 07:30:42 totally morally bankrupt, racist and misogynistic and herein lies the problem.... I am neither morally bankrupt, racist or misogynistic. I am however a Trump supporter. You, TT, Lost, Sew etc... are unable to comprehend how that is possible. So, you call me a racist. There is no reconciliation possible in that scenario, so we end up with name calling. Yes, I am saying its all the fault of the liberals on this forum. |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by Serowbot on 10/16/18 at 08:38:56 For those that would like the TT closed the solution is easy... Just don't click on it. It will not exist for you. For those that want to click on the TT button,... the central reason just can't possibly be to insult or be insulted. As Melania would say,... Be Better... Peace, Serow |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by raydawg on 10/16/18 at 08:44:33 This is funny. You got a mod who extends much considerations to his same, and employs drive-bys and one liners to his own amusement. Then, you got folk who blame the others, for their own actions.... You got two pigs wallowing in the stench and filth, does it make any difference who wallowed first, or do they both stink like sheet? This, I will, if you will, is so juvenile and lame on its face. If you don’t understand the Berkeley mentality, and the George Soro’s Playbook.... Then you will never understand why FOX was founded, and grew to a media giant so quickly, and how the Tea Party founding got started, or who the deplorable are, then you will always be frustrated and angry. The left rubbed, those in oppositions, nose in it, with talking down to them, calling them low IQ, even Bot the Mod, claimed libs more educated, and too stupid to understand global warming, etc. Not to even mention the ego of Obama, with the only explanation he ever had to give as justification for implementing his own beliefs without opposing input, was, ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.... End of debate. Get real, then once we admit we are ALL sinners, selfish, hypocrites, then let’s start a dialogue from there.... |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by Serowbot on 10/16/18 at 08:53:00 Is that an admission, DaWg?... or a drive-by?... Be the man your dog thinks you are... 8-) |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by LostArtist on 10/16/18 at 09:11:45 734146575041566945564F240 wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've never called you a racist. And I don't think you are morally bankrupt. Misogynistic, yeah, I think you do have some traits of that, but I do right that off to you just being old and placing exaggerated value on "traditional" norms and mores. and yes, I'm saying it's all the fault of the conservatives on this forum, they lump all liberals into the same group in their mind that are extreme haters, they don't want to talk to us as individuals, we're all just the same evil to them. |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by Serowbot on 10/16/18 at 09:22:05 Speaking of racist... Midterm elections: Michelle Obama compared to chimpanzee by Republican Senate candidate https://www.yahoo.com/news/midterm-elections-michelle-obama-compared-125225573.html Can you admit racism when you see it?... It's a race to the bottom... :-? |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by WebsterMark on 10/16/18 at 09:28:40 Should I post a link to the story where Clinton said Obama should be getting him coffee? Or maybe the liberal professor who asked a woman of color (a real woman of color, not like Warren) outside her condo if she was living in one of the subsidized units, a clear racial incident? It's not a one party issue as much as you would like it to be. |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by Eegore on 10/16/18 at 09:52:33 "For those that would like the TT closed the solution is easy... Just don't click on it. It will not exist for you." There is the only answer presented that is within anyone's control. All of the other presented "solutions" rely on other people. Forums are about exchange and communication, this one is more personal and aggressive than most I use but that's 50% my problem because I log in and use it. If you don't like what's happening in the Tall Table, don't use it. If you don't like a specific person's interactions, don't communicate. If you don't like a certain thread's direction or content, don't contribute. Civility here is your responsibility, not anyone else's. |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by T And T Garage on 10/16/18 at 11:57:54 After reading all these posts, I'm with Eegore on this. As always, he's got a track to the high road - I hope to follow him on it. |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by eau de sauvage on 10/16/18 at 17:14:53 Enjoy your President... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45872530 |
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Title: Re: Are we grown ups?... Post by raydawg on 10/17/18 at 08:18:08 4E584F524A5F52493D0 wrote:
Not sure if your inquiry is honest, or just a extension of what you find lacking in others...... I will address it giving the benefit to the first. If you could show me where I ever posted I was without sin, or better than anyone else, I will look at it and try to discern how my actions/words led to that conclusion. My whole being, and the faith that resides within it, is predicated on me accepting and admitting I am a sinner in need of a savior... I am lost and nothing without understanding that as fact. So please, show me where I said otherwise, thanks. |
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